Can you be both 'gentleman' and punter?

[fairfield]

Hungover today and starting to feel 'punters remorse' about a contretemps this week with a wg - over comments i made on a recent review about her. So hope posting it on here gets it out of my system - hankies at the ready guys.

My own meet with the pro$$ie took place last year - only memorable for 2 complaints made mid-punt by the wg. The crack "You're older than my father!" was water off a ducks back tbh. It was only stating the bleedin obvious.
But she followed it up with "I am not comfortable with you" - it would have floored me if i hadn't been already been lying down on top of her in mish. After a long thought my pathetic lame reply was "Well I'm enjoying myself." - and carried on for some time until i got over the finishing line, with her looking at the walls/ceiling, anywhere except at me.

Stupidly i couldn't resist repeating these details in another members review this week of her. I feel guilty too now of 'hijacking' his review. Sorry - Roscoe111, didn't mean to start a row, especially on your 'time.'

But in my alcohol induced misery, i am haunted now over the question - should you walk if a wg makes an "uncomfortable" type remark?  Is it the 'gentlemanly' punter thing to do?
(Tho remember if i had walked at that point - there would have zero chance of refund.) What it boils down to is - what comes first your wallet or a wg?   

[vw]

if there is no chance of a refund then she made the decision there, its all on her, if she said i don't feel comfortable can i give you a refund then would be a different situation.   Sounds like she was just trying to mess with your head to take the money and run IMO. 

[Rochelle]

Hungover today and starting to feel 'punters remorse' about a contretemps this week with a wg - over comments i made on a recent review about her. So hope posting it on here gets it out of my system - hankies at the ready guys.

My own meet with the pro$$ie took place last year - only memorable for 2 complaints made mid-punt by the wg. The crack "You're older than my father!" was water off a ducks back tbh. It was only stating the bleedin obvious.
But she followed it up with "I am not comfortable with you" - it would have floored me if i hadn't been already been lying down on top of her in mish. After a long thought my pathetic lame reply was "Well I'm enjoying myself." - and carried on for some time until i got over the finishing line, with her looking at the walls/ceiling, anywhere except at me.

Stupidly i couldn't resist repeating these details in another members review this week of her. I feel guilty too now of 'hijacking' his review. Sorry - Roscoe111, didn't mean to start a row, especially on your 'time.'

But in my alcohol induced misery, i am haunted now over the question - should you walk if a wg makes an "uncomfortable" type remark?  Is it the 'gentlemanly' punter thing to do?
(Tho remember if i had walked at that point - there would have zero chance of refund.) What it boils down to is - what comes first your wallet or a wg?

If she wasn't comfortable then she should have realised this before it got to the shagging stage and offered you a refund.
When she mentioned it mid-shag, she could have also stopped you then and given you a partial refund.

Not sure why you carried on for some time after she said that though...you could have stopped there and then and demanded a partial refund.

[cueball]

Similar comments to the above ff....

She should have stated how she felt/what she thought at the beginning..... She wanted her cake and eat it... She wanted the money but didn't like what she were doing for it.

I know which one you're on about, she's been on here and made a complete tit of herself.

The way she's acted, she's put a lot of us off paying her in bottle tops, never mind hard earned money. At least she'll not have as many dilemmas.

You've got nothing to feel bad about

[Steely Dan]

...you could have stopped there and then and demanded a partial refund.

In my experience, escorts don't like it when guys 'demand'.  And the chance of a refund after you have started fucking =snowball's chance in hell.

But I guess I have booked more escorts than you.....

[Rochelle]

In my experience, escorts don't like it when guys 'demand'.  And the chance of a refund after you have started fucking =snowball's chance in hell.

But I guess I have booked more escorts than you.....

Indeed you have. I said demand because in that situation he would have been right to do so.

[daviemac]

My own meet with the pro$$ie took place last year - only memorable for 2 complaints made mid-punt by the wg. The crack "You're older than my father!" was water off a ducks back tbh. It was only stating the bleedin obvious.
But she followed it up with "I am not comfortable with you" - it would have floored me if i hadn't been already been lying down on top of her in mish. After a long thought my pathetic lame reply was "Well I'm enjoying myself." - and carried on for some time until i got over the finishing line, with her looking at the walls/ceiling, anywhere except at me.

To be honest this is the main reason I always check that they're OK seeing older blokes, I mention I'm old in initial comms, whether agency or indi, as long as I avoid the ones that state an upper age limit I haven't been refused yet or had poor service because of it.

 

[Park Lane]

Offer to end the meeting, and ask for a partial refund? That's all I can think of.
Then you won't feel too bad about it (and also there wont be a possibility of you getting taken advantage of by wgs calling time early on the punt, on a pretext to keep all the money.)
If the wg wants to terminate the punt , but doesn't want to give you any money back for something that's isn't your fault (your age), you're being taken advantage of. Put it in a review, because things like age exclusions should be written on the wg's profile.

[fairfield]

If she wasn't comfortable then she should have realised this before it got to the shagging stage and offered you a refund.
When she mentioned it mid-shag, she could have also stopped you then and given you a partial refund.

Not sure why you carried on for some time after she said that though...you could have stopped there and then and demanded a partial refund.

Thx for the SP's pov. Basically didn't stop bcs i aint no 'gentleman.' Maybe that makes me a punter to be avoided?
And no offence, but for this punter (and i suspect many others), its almost certainly question of ' have started, so i'll finish' syndrome. We aren't just playthings you wgs can drop when you feel like.

[mikexxlong]

i would expect a lot of pro$$ie's feel 'uncomfortable' to some degree with a good percentage of punters
 but put on the act, pretend and deliver the service paid for(if lucky).
 
unless the punter is acting in an alarming manner causing  concern to the whore ,
them saying "I am not comfortable with you" or anything else demeaning is out of order IMO

[fairfield]

if there is no chance of a refund then she made the decision there, its all on her, if she said i don't feel comfortable can i give you a refund then would be a different situation.   Sounds like she was just trying to mess with your head to take the money and run IMO.

Cheers for the support, vw. Guess i was feeling maudlin today after one too many last night. Last year - my first punting year - it would have took a lot to put me off. Then i was punting anything with a pulse.
But coming to the end of a second year, i am not sure i would now carry on regardless. The wg herself was obviously struggling to continue - maybe now i would walk (provided i was in the mood to chuck £100 away.)

Ofc the big question is - when push comes to shove, could/should we actually walk?

[JustLooking1983]

I'd probably advise any punter in this situation to say "Shall we stop?" And get a clear yes/no answer. Asking for a partial refund should be expected by the SP if she cuts a session short for ANY reason.

[vw]

Indeed you have. I said demand because in that situation he would have been right to do so.

Its her feeling uncomfortable not him, she should be offering not steering him in a position to demand.  Many blokes wont and will just leave which could have been her plan to start with.  Much the Same as bait and switch scum bags rely on a good percentage not walking.

[Rochelle]

Thx for the SP's pov. Basically didn't stop bcs i aint no 'gentleman.' Maybe that makes me a punter to be avoided?
And no offence, but for this punter (and i suspect many others), its almost certainly question of ' have started, so i'll finish' syndrome. We aren't just playthings you wgs can drop when you feel like.

I was in support of you until that last comment. It sounds a bit off, in my opinion. If at any point I felt uncomfortable and made it clear I wanted the guy to stop, then he should stop, whether in my personal life or in this job.
Maybe I've seen something that isn't there, but that comment made me think...

[Rochelle]

Its her feeling uncomfortable not him, she should be offering not steering him in a position to demand.  Many blokes wont and will just leave which could have been her plan to start with.  Much the Same as bait and switch scum bags rely on a good percentage not walking.

I agree, of course she should be offering a refund.

[Bikerboy]

Cheers for the support, vw. Guess i was feeling maudlin today after one too many last night. Last year - my first punting year - it would have took a lot to put me off. Then i was punting anything with a pulse.
But coming to the end of a second year, i am not sure i would carry on regardless. The wg herself was obviously struggling to continue - maybe now i would walk (provided i was in the mood to chuck £100 away.)

Ofc the big question is - when push comes to shove, could/should we actually walk?

Sometimes in a punt it just ain’t happening. Been there done that. Yeah you can ask for a refund, some will some won’t. If I ain’t feeling it I walk, simple as.
Nothing do do with being or not being a gentleman, a lot more to do with I can’t be arsed with a situation like that. Plenty of amazing punts out there. Move on.

[mikexxlong]

I agree, of course she should be offering a refund.

pro$$ie's should but most won't!

as many punters will  attest getting any kind of refund is rare
no matter how reasonable the punter is

[fairfield]

....... but that comment made me think...

Damn. its not my week for winning over wgs, is it? Maybe the bonds of the sisterhood are too strong?
My Xmas punt was ruined by a tasty chinese refusing to see me. Her pimp twice tried to set it up anyway - but she wouldn't even let me in the building, nvm inside her 'hallowed' body. After playing will she? -wont she? for 45 mins outside in the damp and cold, too many parts of me had seized up and it was a sorry trudge home. (drink does make me maudlin)

R., don't want to get on the wrong side of yourself too - but its too easy to say "no, means NO." Its not so clear cut in real life. Men look at things different to women, punters differently to wgs. You are saying "stop" - but all the wg in question said was " i am uncomfortable."

Glad i "made you think."tho.  Mulling that situation over is what is doing my head in - that and a raging thirst for 'hair of the dog.'

[Bogof60]

If she is uncomfortable with seeing older guys she should
Put it on her profile then the punter can make an informed decision
Or
Get another job
At the very least inform the punter that she is uncomfortable with seeing a man older than her father before any action takes place and any money has changed hands

[Rochelle]

Damn. its not my week for winning over wgs, is it? Maybe the bonds of the sisterhood are too strong?
My Xmas punt was ruined by a tasty chinese refusing to see me. Her pimp twice tried to set it up anyway - but she wouldn't even let me in the building, nvm inside her 'hallowed' body. After playing will she? -wont she? for 45 mins outside in the damp and cold, too many parts of me had seized up and it was a sorry trudge home. (drink does make me maudlin)

R., don't want to get on the wrong side of yourself too - but its too easy to say "no, means NO." Its not so clear cut in real life. Men look at things different to women, punters differently to wgs. You are saying "stop" - but all the wg in question said was " i am uncomfortable."

Glad i "made you think."tho.  Mulling that situation over is what is doing my head in - that and a raging thirst for 'hair of the dog.'

Bonds of sisterhood? Come on, dude.
 

I'm not the type to back someone up just because they're also a girl or also an escort. My first post on the matter would have been very different if that was the case.

[hungrypunt]

Theres a thread with a poll on it over on UKE at the moment, prossies and punters voting about when or IF a refund should be given

[Corus Boy]

Yes, it's in your power.

[Stalinator]

I read a thread on Saafe that a WG wanted to use condoms for handjobs as she didn't like the smell of cum. She is in the wrong business.

[fairfield]

.......Nothing do do with being or not being a gentleman, a lot more to do with I can’t be arsed with a situation like that. Plenty of amazing punts out there. Move on.

Spoken like a true thrusting young punter. And why not? - more power to your 'elbow', young man.
But please bear in mind - as you get older, in the main your finances and your choices narrow. Those punting horizons are no longer as broad for me. You have to grasp what few opportunities come your way.
 
Bloody hell, i'll be crying in my beer next - if i had any left. I thought this thread was gonna cheer me up.
So its off to the Express for me, for a different kid of cheer. Thanks anyway for all the comments -  both rough and smooth.

[Billy no mates]

I do always try to be polite, gentlemanly (is that a word?).

I don’t think it gets me a better ‘service’ or anything, just don’t like to be rude.

Now, the ‘being demanding’ I may be guilty of. I will sometimes have a specific reason for seeing a wg (I’m in the mood for A or WS, roleplay threesome etc). So I will be quite specific PRIOR to the meeting about what I want from the meet. This gives the girl a chance to say yes or no. What I do not do, is change what I want during a meeting or if I do, I will fully accept a “no”. I do also expect a wg to adhere to the agreed meeting requirements, if we have agreed on something.


I’ve only been blocked by one wg (for cancelling, with 48hrs notice!!). So I presume I’m seen as a nice(?) customer.

[Bikerboy]

Spoken like a true thrusting young punter. And why not? - more power to your 'elbow', young man.
But please bear in mind - as you get older, in the main your finances and your choices narrow. Those punting horizons are no longer as broad for me. You have to grasp what few opportunities come your way.
 
Bloody hell, i'll be crying in my beer next - if i had any left. I thought this thread was gonna cheer me up.
So its off to the Express for me, for a different kid of cheer. Thanks anyway for all the comments -  both rough and smooth.

I’m triple the age of most escorts. As one old boy to another and with 100+ punts under my belt I can say opportunities have never been more plentiful or easy to find...

[Analist]

I suppose the corollary is
Can you be both a lady and a whore?

I'm probably too gentlemanly while punting. Too many occasions of services promised that when push comes to shove are unavailable. I usually just grit my teeth and bear it. I can't recall a WG saying I made her uncomfortable and if it happened I'd stop.

[Marmalade]

Hungover today and starting to feel 'punters remorse' about a contretemps this week with a wg - over comments i made on a recent review about her. So hope posting it on here gets it out of my system - hankies at the ready guys.

My own meet with the pro$$ie took place last year - only memorable for 2 complaints made mid-punt by the wg. The crack "You're older than my father!" was water off a ducks back tbh. It was only stating the bleedin obvious.
But she followed it up with "I am not comfortable with you" - it would have floored me if i hadn't been already been lying down on top of her in mish. After a long thought my pathetic lame reply was "Well I'm enjoying myself." - and carried on for some time until i got over the finishing line, with her looking at the walls/ceiling, anywhere except at me.

Stupidly i couldn't resist repeating these details in another members review this week of her. I feel guilty too now of 'hijacking' his review. Sorry - Roscoe111, didn't mean to start a row, especially on your 'time.'

But in my alcohol induced misery, i am haunted now over the question - should you walk if a wg makes an "uncomfortable" type remark?  Is it the 'gentlemanly' punter thing to do?
(Tho remember if i had walked at that point - there would have zero chance of refund.) What it boils down to is - what comes first your wallet or a wg?

Fuck sake fairfield, a prossie should never be able to identify you from a review.

I am indeed a gentleman simply because I am a gentleman. The same as I’m British. That to me includes owing everyone politeness in face-to-face meetings unless they demonstrate that they are scum in which case I walk away, with or without a terse telling-off.

On the forum, I am gentleman enough to give my fellow punters the honesty they deserve. I couldn’t give a shit what the prossies overhear as they glue their tawdry ears to the keyhole. Some of them of course are just street rats in fancy get-up, and on here they should be recognised as such. When lowlife trolls and fluffbags enter the drawing room they should be given short shrift and sent packing.

Gentlemen have always punted. We certainly don’t intend to stop now!

[myothernameis]

Fuck sake fairfield, a prossie should never be able to identify you from a review.

Fairfield, I don't know who has pm'd you, but would say, the police would act on any of this

[Marmalade]

should you walk if a wg makes an "uncomfortable" type remark?

  For avoidance of doubt, one might have said, "Do you wish to stop and give me my money back?"

Many people are uncomfortable in a job they nevertheless do willingly, I can remember one or two pricks I was uncomfortable working for. I did it for the money till I found better jobs. Unlike the prossie, I wasn't such a dipstick as to insult my boss or voice my feelings to the paymaster.

tbh it just sounds like she was unprofessional and you had a touch of EAS, old boy.

[yandex]

I have to say that comments like that, mid-shag would almost certainly have killed my boner - I presume that was the intention. I admire your ability to focus on the 'I've started so I'll finish'.

I guess that your ability to keep going should have been her cue to politely ask you to stop and offer some money back if that's how she really felt.

I wonder how many restaurants would get away with taking your half eaten plate of food away mid-meal on the basis that they didn't like you eating with your mouth open - not many!

[Marmalade]

I wonder how many restaurants would get away with taking your half eaten plate of food away mid-meal on the basis that they didn't like you eating with your mouth open - not many!

 

[Home Alone]

At the very least inform the punter that she is uncomfortable with seeing a man older than her father before any action takes place and any money has changed hands

Quite a number of WGs on AW have an upper age limit for clients stated on their AW Profile page.

It can be bloody annoying to an older punter like me but at least I know there's no point in trying to book them. Their body, their rules; I guess.

[munterhunter]

If they have an upper age limit and publish it on their profile I won't book them.
When I turn up to a punt I'm freshly showered or I ask to take one and expect the girl to be fresh and clean. I take pride in my appearance generally I'm in my late 50's not over weight still fairly fit BUT it's NOT a date. I keep myself in shape for ME.
I can understand some women complaining about guys turning up straight from work or the pub stinkin of ale or sweat and refusing to freshen up and expecting owo on a cheesy bell end. But I also expect the wg to be professional in what she does.
I would have been surprised by a comment about my age in the circumstances and if she said she felt uncomfortable I would have ended the session and asked for a refund and suggested she put age limits on her profile.
If she refused partial refund I'd have left and done a negative review.
If I'm booking someone for the first time I usually go for 30 minutes so if it turns to ratshit I've not wasted too much time or money.
I don't tend to go for really young women but have never had a complaint about my age.
So if you wrote a review and it was accurate whats the problem? From what I've read the OP did nothing wrong.
If the wg has a problem in these circumstances it's for her to sort out. OP just move on to the next punt and chalk this up to experience.

[shagmore]

Yes you can, just because you pay for sex does not make you less of a man or gentleman.
At the end of the day treat the WG with respect, arrive on time, freshly showered and in clean clothes. Just because your paying does not mean you have the right to be un-clean, stinky and in a state.
Its also called common sense.
Just because the Wg might not act like a lady does not mean you have to be a complete muppet.

[Danger!WillRobinson]

Yes you can, just because you pay for sex does not make you less of a man or gentleman.
At the end of the day treat the WG with respect, arrive on time, freshly showered and in clean clothes. Just because your paying does not mean you have the right to be un-clean, stinky and in a state.
Its also called common sense.
Just because the Wg might not act like a lady does not mean you have to be a complete muppet.

Spot on. Nothing "fluffy" about good manners

[mrhappypants]

I suspect this point is only marginally relevant to the OP but still worth making: if you continued after a working girl made clear she wanted to stop that is rape. 

I would expect a refund of the unused time and write a warning review (see  https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=32548.0) but regard discretion as the better part of Valor.  I would certainly much more cautious than I was here.

A crap punt is better than getting the cops involved.

[eb0x]

This touched a nerve!

A few years ago at a sauna in M/cr I was offered a choice between a 45yr old 'nice lady' or 20s stunner. Opting for the latter it was soon pretty clear that she couldn't bear being touched by someone older than her dad, or grandad!. Since then I always give my age when booking, and mention that I have gray hair (but am polite). Sometimes there is no reply, but at least when they open the door they know what to expect.

[Marmalade]

I always give my age when booking, and mention that I have gray hair (but am polite). Sometimes there is no reply, but at least when they open the door they know what to expect.

This can be a good technique especially if you look quite good for your age. I’ve tried once or twice but make a joke of it.

[blackbird_nevermore]

What a bitch. She could’ve mentioned she wasn’t comfortable with the age difference before you guys started.

I’m assuming her reviews looked pretty decent before you booked her?

[BillGoldberg]

Unprofessional, hypocritical, money grabbing, in short a self serving, insensitive bitch.

She should state clearly on her profile that she has an age limit, not after taking your money and halfway through a 'service'.

Absolutely nothing to do with you being a 'gentleman' or not, its about being taken for a fool by her and made to feel guilty for something where she clearly is at fault. 

[BillGoldberg]

and of course you can be a 'gentleman' and a punter all at the same time, if by 'gentleman' you just mean a basically decent human being who isnt out to do others harm for his own benefit or rip people off.

that bitch certainly was no 'lady'

[Hurley]

If they aren't comfortable with older punters they need to put an upper age limit on.
Thères a bird recently popped up on UKE called Selina Kyle very nice, tall slim fabulous tits  and seemingly a good attitude but in the small print no one over 60 so I'm out which is fine at least she's honest

[Jonestown]

She has the time it takes to get from the front door to the room and for the money to be handed over to decide that she is not comfortable with you, unless of course you start acting weird after that. To say you are older than her father means nothing, a lot of people are going to be older than her father, on the other hand, if by your appearance you remind her of her father that could make her feel uncomfortable, but she needs to articulate that before, not wait until you are on the home straight and heading for a finish.