Some tips about Milan

[TheOracle]

Having just had one of the most perfect sessions ever thanks to a lovely Russian girl in Milan, I thought I would leave a few tips for punters interested in the place: the session I had today would have been worth a trip from the UK, so here's my 2 cents.

Milan can be a relatively expensive place for punting, particularly since the UK took back control and as a result its currency lost 20% of its value. Having said that, it offers something that nowadays is pretty rare in London due to Visa restrictions: Russians. Russians are just as hot as Romanians (although in their own Slavic way of course), but are generally much more friendly and at ease. As a matter of fact, I don't remember having a bad experience with a Russian (or Latvian, or Ukranian, or Estonian, or Lithuanian) girl. All the ones I met seemed to be in there just as much for their own fun as well as for a considerable love for cash.

There are "sort-of-agency" operations that seem to feed a constant stream of incredibly beautiful Russian girls to the city, all with a relatively short turnaround, but overall guaranteeing a pretty good variety of options on any time of year.

The website I've used in my latest forays there was External Link/Members Only, which seems to specialise in Russian girls. I've used them 3 times: they are pretty efficient when contacted by WhatsApp, answering quickly with a list of available options and then following up with addresses, etc. Every time I've tried them the girls were excellent to extraordinary, as it was the case this time (see below for a a quick review).

Another way to find escorts (including the escortofitaly ones) is through External Link/Members Only: a few years ago this used to be a very popular ukpunting-like review forum. Then they opened a escort ad section and the forum completely lost its soul (they started censoring reviews, publishing fake ones, etc.) so in terms of review forum I wouldn't recommend that. Their escort catalogue is pretty good, though, acting as a collector for various independents and pseudo-agencies. If choosing from their list, I would recommend avoiding anything that looks airbrushed or hidden, as the risk of bait and switch is very high, but when profiles have clear pictures and don't try to appear too "artistic" my experience is that WYSIWYG.

Prices for escorts on these sites vary generally from 150€ to 250€ or higher for an hour. Experience shows that even at 150€ the quality can be pretty good. The one I visited today was a 200€ one but it was easily one of the top 3 experiences I've had in my life (including real girlfriends).

I personally avoid Italian escorts, as they tend to be overpriced (easily around 300€/h) and given how the culture is I expect them to be mostly nutters or very ignorant girls (although differently from the UK, where the natives are also overpriced, the ones in Italy can be astonishingly beautiful and sexy). Most of the escorts in Milan are either Russians, Romanians or Brazilians, and this order also defines my priorities when contacting them (Brazilians are full of shit, tend to be pricier, less participative and always at risk of being post-ops).

In terms of services, people on escortforum and Italian sites in general use English terms or acronyms, although some of them might be slightly different than the UKP standard (e.g. DATY for "dinner at the Y" instead of "reverse oral", BBBJ instead of OWO, RAI1 and RAI2 to describe... the "first channel" - pussy - and "second channel" - ass - a bit as if people here said BBC1 and BBC2, etc.). Prices can also be confusing: profiles on escortforum don't indicate prices, although some of them link to personal pages on a different domain where there are prices (e.g. see this one: External Link/Members Only ): generally these pages also do a better job at listing services.

Sometimes the EF profiles have reviews (I believe only the positive ones survive) and the price can be deduced from there. In other cases, the only way to get a quote might be to contact the escorts, and for some of them English might be a problem (although the Russians tend to be more proficient in English than in Italian).

In terms of finding escorts there are alternatives, some of them relatively popular such as bakekaincontri ( External Link/Members Only , a bit of an Italian backpage) or rosarossa ( External Link/Members Only ): I believe escorts on these sites tend to be cheaper, but they always looked somewhat dodgy to me and I never tried to contact anyone through them. The aesthetic qualities seem to be lower there, as well (although probably the risk of B&S is lower too).

There are multiple review forums a-la UKP, of which I would say gnoccaforum.com and punterforum.com. Everything is in Italian, but the admins impose a structure to the reviews that can help make them useful even to foreigners. Google Translate can surely help somewhat as well.

E.g. , see here for the Milan reviews forum on Punterforum: External Link/Members Only
And this on gnoccaforum: External Link/Members Only

Some people also use escort-advisor for reviews: External Link/Members Only

And finally, there is an aggregator that tries to put together all reviews and profiles from different sites for a specific escort (although it looks like content tends to be stale and they show a lot of escorts whose profiles are not active): External Link/Members Only

Escorts aside, there is quite a bit of street activity in and around Milan. It would be complicated for me to explain exactly what the areas are, particularly when it comes to outside the city, but the aforementioned forums have specific sections or threads dedicated to SWs. A classic area devoted to street walking is that of the so-called "circonvallazioni", a circular set  of roads that turns around the city centre. After 11/12am it is frequent to see girls clearly identifiable as escorts: depending on the areas there can be South Americans or Brazilians (which, again, I avoid) or East Europeans (particularly Albanians and Romanians) which although they can provide quite an uneven service, are generally very attractive. Service can go from 50 to 60€ for one shot in a flat to lower rates for stuff made in the car in back alleys (which I've done once or twice in my youth and is not worth the hassle at my age).

Overall, again, I think a trip to Milan would be worth if you have some cash to spare and you are fond of Russians. I definitely am, which is why today I tried my luck with what ended up being the wonderful Loren from EOI:
External Link/Members Only

200€ for 1h, and what ended up one of my top experiences ever, including girlfriends. Physically she is very close to be my perfect 10, with a cheeky look on a fantastic face, beautiful high cheeks, plump mouth, great eyes, long brown hair, slim but delicately curvy body, insane ass, great legs. Service-wise, she was the perfect GFE, at the point that she kissed me with more passion than some of my former girlfriends: she went on snogging me tenderly, intimately, passionately for about 10 minutes, then seemed to enjoy enormously me eating her and a 69, and finally writhed in ecstasy while I was pumping her, again looking like she was enjoying it enormously. I surely did, for two rounds, so much that I invited her to London and left her the number of my (punting) phone asking her to call me if she came.

[foobarbaz]

Hey man, thanks for all the hints and tips. Can I ask you what did you mean with "given how the culture is I expect them to be mostly nutters or very ignorant girls" though?

[bbois77]

Great post, very uptodate, very relevant, needs made a "stickty" admins!!!

[MilleMiglia]

My TL;DR for Milan would be "All locals overpriced, take your own with you".

[foobarbaz]

My TL;DR for Milan would be "All locals overpriced, take your own with you".

I'm actually finding it quite cheap compared to London on average, unless you go to some trendy areas; but even there, going with locals who are often in those places I'm getting discounts and such.

[Gas Man 40s]

What a great review, thank you

Just got a question please on the escort of Italy site,

obviously you have the now and soon girls which is easily understandable

my question relates to the girls in the ‘travel’ section

All these girls are located in Russia? and will visit you for 24/48/72 hours etc, to Italy?
Is that the general idea?

[TheOracle]

Hey man, thanks for all the hints and tips. Can I ask you what did you mean with "given how the culture is I expect them to be mostly nutters or very ignorant girls" though?

Sorry for the delay. What I meant is that while some cultures seem more prone to bring women to live their being sex workers in a natural and remorseless way, the Italian culture has a serious stigma about sex work. Families are much more present in people's life, which tends to create a form of social pressure that discourages people who might be "naturals" from doing it.

Sometimes bad stuff happens, like when a woman called Tiziana Cantone (who was a hypersexual person) was filmed doing some videos with a few men, the thing leaked to her real life and she started getting ostracized, harassed, victimised in a number of ways, both virtual and real. She ended up killing herself. That might have had to do with the fact that she was from a relatively small southern town, but I think it's a risk everywhere in Italy.

As a result, only various types of outcasts end up working in porn or escorting. Women with an obviously very low intellect, people with some kind of deranged personality. There are exceptions, of course, but I'm always amazed when I hear italian pornstars talking by how primitive and stupid they sound, if compared to some of the foreign ones. When it comes to escorts, I never met an Italian one, except once when I contacted someone whose profile for some reason had caught my attention. When I saw her I almost immediately ran away: it was obviously a junkie, with a skeletal body and clear psychological issues. On the other hand, I met countless Romanians, Russians, Poles who lived their job very naturally, and clearly finding satisfaction not only in the money but also in the human and sexual factor.

[TheOracle]

my question relates to the girls in the ‘travel’ section
All these girls are located in Russia? and will visit you for 24/48/72 hours etc, to Italy?
Is that the general idea?

I'm not sure, TBH, I noticed it as well a few days ago and ended up thinking that it was probably as you say. If you're curious I suggest contacting them on WhatsApp, if you convince them to open a branch in London you might end up doing a big service to us all! :-D

[tantric talents]

Great post thanks for the info.
I have found the same thing applies to the French Riviera esp wrt Russians and Ukrainians.
Great to hear you can get good ones there for 150 Euros an hour! South of France usually starts at 250 with the odd exception at 200 if you are prepared to risk viva st!

[foobarbaz]

Sorry for the delay. What I meant is that while some cultures seem more prone to bring women to live their being sex workers in a natural and remorseless way, the Italian culture has a serious stigma about sex work. Families are much more present in people's life, which tends to create a form of social pressure that discourages people who might be "naturals" from doing it.

Sometimes bad stuff happens, like when a woman called Tiziana Cantone (who was a hypersexual person) was filmed doing some videos with a few men, the thing leaked to her real life and she started getting ostracized, harassed, victimised in a number of ways, both virtual and real. She ended up killing herself. That might have had to do with the fact that she was from a relatively small southern town, but I think it's a risk everywhere in Italy.

As a result, only various types of outcasts end up working in porn or escorting. Women with an obviously very low intellect, people with some kind of deranged personality. There are exceptions, of course, but I'm always amazed when I hear italian pornstars talking by how primitive and stupid they sound, if compared to some of the foreign ones. When it comes to escorts, I never met an Italian one, except once when I contacted someone whose profile for some reason had caught my attention. When I saw her I almost immediately ran away: it was obviously a junkie, with a skeletal body and clear psychological issues. On the other hand, I met countless Romanians, Russians, Poles who lived their job very naturally, and clearly finding satisfaction not only in the money but also in the human and sexual factor.

Well I'm sorry but that seems a bit narrow minded and stereotypical to say the least. If you put it in those terms it's not like most of the Essex girls around are any better to my eyes, quite equally on the low end of the intellectual scale most of the time. I think we can't really generalise that way in all honesty, but that just me. Also when you say "I'm always amazed when I hear italian pornstars talking by how primitive and stupid they sound" I wonder first if you speak understand Italian second how smart can they possibly sound when talking about sex in a porn context?

I do agree on the fact the social situation is not the best, that's for sure, but it's not as bad as you describe it. Tiziana Cantone's episode instead was a very specific an isolated one and the whole situation was far more complicated than the way you described it, so again, not quite as you put it.

[TheOracle]

Well I'm sorry but that seems a bit narrow minded and stereotypical to say the least. If you put it in those terms it's not like most of the Essex girls around are any better to my eyes, quite equally on the low end of the intellectual scale most of the time. I think we can't really generalise that way in all honesty, but that just me. Also when you say "I'm always amazed when I hear italian pornstars talking by how primitive and stupid they sound" I wonder first if you speak understand Italian second how smart can they possibly sound when talking about sex in a porn context?

I do agree on the fact the social situation is not the best, that's for sure, but it's not as bad as you describe it. Tiziana Cantone's episode instead was a very specific an isolated one and the whole situation was far more complicated than the way you described it, so again, not quite as you put it.

I don't think you understood me, probably because you think I'm coming from a xenophobic perspective and I really am not. I'm not saying that Italians are stupid, and therefore their pornstars are stupid. I'm saying that given the increased stigma that sex work has in Italy (due to the hypocritical culture), going into a career in sex (either prostitution, porn or similar) tends to attract people with fewer alternatives than in other places. If you hear a pornstar from the US speaking (and generally they speak about porn, when they speak), most of them are at least normal, they frequently are business savvy, etc. The most famous ones tend to also be pretty smart. Listen to the Italian ones (besides the fact that there aren't that many in the first place) and they are mostly low-level subhumans who can barely complete a sentence, let alone being incapable of speaking without taking an idiotic slutty tone as if they were incapable of not being a tart 100% of the time. I do speak and understand Italian, of course, and pretty well.

Also, if you state that something was "far more complicated" than what I described but don't add counter arguments and additional information that doesn't really add anything sensible or smart to the discussion...

[foobarbaz]

I did understand you perfectly and I wasn't infering anything and surely NOT that you are xenophobic or anything similar, however let me tell that coming out with a sentence like "Listen to the Italian ones and they are mostly low-level subhumans" surely isn't nice, personally I'd still consider them human being, but that's maybe me being pedant.
Moreover a sex career in Italy, especially prostitution often doesn't attract, if anything in most cases there is enslaving by criminal organisations and total lack of regulation of any sort.

Anyhow, I simply think it's an unfair statement because as often goes your mileage may vary. Many American and British actresses can be equally appear empty and dull, to be assesed whether they pretend or not but surely they don't excel too when it comes to conversation. I can think at a few like Amy Anderesen, Chantelle Fox and pretty much most of the girls that you can see on SexTV, Babestation and the like, they have some of the most fastidious voices and the vocabulary of 10 years old.

About Tiziana Cantone, although I'm really sad for the outcome of such dramatic situation, I think we know only a part, the one they wanted to show us. There are articles online and testimonials from the mother that she was partaking in orgies with her ex boyfriend, and that she was a swinger and suspiciously enough you can't find any info (or at least I couldn't) about her life before the scandal, there are no info about her profession or life habits. Could that be because the truth about her before might have obfuscated and "justified" a pure act of mysoginy? Maybe, who knows. Also she wasn't simply filmed and the the clip leaked. She wanted to be filmed on purpose, there is record of six clips that she sent personally not just to her ex-boyfriend to taunt him (reporter said) but she sent the videos also to other "trusted" people.

The point I'm trying to make is that while it's tragic that she is not with us anymore God knows what she was up to and in which context she was in so I wouldn't fully blame it on the Italian culture alone. But I suppose we can only speculate and likely agree to disagree.

[TheOracle]

The website I've used in my latest forays there was External Link/Members Only, which seems to specialise in Russian girls. I've used them 3 times: they are pretty efficient when contacted by WhatsApp, answering quickly with a list of available options and then following up with addresses, etc. Every time I've tried them the girls were excellent to extraordinary, as it was the case this time (see below for a a quick review).

Another way to find escorts (including the escortofitaly ones) is through External Link/Members Only: a few years ago this used to be a very popular ukpunting-like review forum. Then they opened a escort ad section and the forum completely lost its soul (they started censoring reviews, publishing fake ones, etc.) so in terms of review forum I wouldn't recommend that. Their escort catalogue is pretty good, though, acting as a collector for various independents and pseudo-agencies. If choosing from their list, I would recommend avoiding anything that looks airbrushed or hidden, as the risk of bait and switch is very high, but when profiles have clear pictures and don't try to appear too "artistic" my experience is that WYSIWYG.

Quick update about Milan: the scene seems to have worsened. The amount of fake profiles on escortforum has exploded, and it's now much more difficult to find a decent provider. People have noticed that profiles with +380 prefixes (ukrainian) and a certain set of characteristics (no nude pictures, TGTBT, etc.) are invariably fake, and generally bait and switch to very poor experiences.

Escortofitaly that used to be such a good resource for me has also been a disappointment: while their profiles tend to have reasonably good pictures and are not B&S, the services list is a complete joke, and the two latest experiences I had through them were massive disappointments, in the last case even leading me to leave after 25 minutes without even finishing once due to how bad the girl's attitude was.

So, caveat emptor: people seem to have better success sourcing escorts on External Link/Members Only but the quality to me seems very low, except in some rare cases such as External Link/Members Only which recently got good reviews.

The best review forums are still the same, notably:
External Link/Members Only (skip past the posts marked "PREMIUM" and "TOP" as those are sticky ones probably for paid accounts)
External Link/Members Only (for local girls)
External Link/Members Only (for agency girls such as those from escortofitaly)

[nugget4eva]

A lot of really useful here, thanks. I'll be working in Milan next week so I'll check out some of those forums, but since I'll be working in Spain the following week I might just wait until then.

[Visionist]

The only phone numbers likely to be real on Italian sites are 39 numbers. There are lots of 38 numbers, all fake pictures, and 79 numbers, also fake.

Lots of 39 numbers are fake profiles too, however.

I tried bacheca incontri twice and both were bait & switch with extremely low quality, hideous fat women with very limited services. One to avoid.

[webpunter]

I found Milan hard work to try & line up an indie
Pretty sure that brothels aren't tolerated
So if any venues have more than one burd these will be kept below the radar
And are likely to be poor
I gave up & went to a couple of AMP gaffs
Which were pretty good
Quite a few of em
Advertised on flyers / car windscreens etc
If you are any further north than Milan then better to head to Chiasso southern switzerland
About an hour driving
This place is just [like 1km] over the border
External Link/Members Only
Expensive, as with most things in Switzerland, however pretty good

[foobarbaz]

The only phone numbers likely to be real on Italian sites are 39 numbers. There are lots of 38 numbers, all fake pictures, and 79 numbers, also fake.

Lots of 39 numbers are fake profiles too, however.

I tried bacheca incontri twice and both were bait & switch with extremely low quality, hideous fat women with very limited services. One to avoid.

I think it depends by the format, 39, 38, 37, 36, 35, 34 and 33 are all valid Italian mobiles number beginning, bear in mind mobiles number in Italy don't begin with 0 like in UK. Of course if we talk international prefix you are obviously right.

[TheOracle]

I think it depends by the format, 39, 38, 37, 36, 35, 34 and 33 are all valid Italian mobiles number beginning, bear in mind mobiles number in Italy don't begin with 0 like in UK. Of course if we talk international prefix you are obviously right.

No, he's not. A lot of independent Russian and Ukrainian girls use their numbers when on two-three week trips in Milan. Granted there is a lot of B&S going on, but there's also a few gems. On my latest trip there I had a session with an absolutely spectacular 19yo Ukrainian that I was almost sure was B&S sure to her having a +380 prefix. Something was telling me to try, though, and it was one of my best experiences ever.

[Swisshunter]

Update on Southern Switzerland, most of Ticino is on lock down due to the Corona Virus, so wouldn't bother with making the trip. But when this passes over a great place to visit from Milan is External Link/Members Only the girls change regularly so check the site for who is available. Unfortunately like everything in Switzerland it can be a bit pricey

[foobarbaz]

No, he's not. A lot of independent Russian and Ukrainian girls use their numbers when on two-three week trips in Milan. Granted there is a lot of B&S going on, but there's also a few gems. On my latest trip there I had a session with an absolutely spectacular 19yo Ukrainian that I was almost sure was B&S sure to her having a +380 prefix. Something was telling me to try, though, and it was one of my best experiences ever.

If that's explicitly the prefix yes but if you find something that reads, let's say, 3471234567, that's a perfectly valid Italian mobile number which can also be written as +393471234567 or 00393471234567, that's what I meant.