Another punting down the drain in London rant

[mjtt84]

I know there are mixed opinions on this, different perceptions of what good looking is and all the rest of it. However, for those who first punted a long time ago in London - about 24 years back myself I have just seen things get worse in London over the years with less quality young women, higher prices, WGs booked far ahead and worst of all, the "gems" that you do find either being good looking and having an attitude, or being well reviewed as "stunning", but the reality being different when you get there.

I did mention this was a rant and you clicked on it so to indulge myself and reminisce: I could in the late 90s / early 2000s go to a sauna in West Hampstead on a weekday night that was not busy, and choose from numerous pretty Italian, Spanish, and other European girls in their late teens early 20s. Seven or eight women smiling and hoping I would choose them. How things have changed. There is nothing comparable now. I could also find English milfs working in flats in the 90s who were at the time labeled "Inter city" working girls. These days such women would not have to travel, and if they knew they were good looking could charge a fortune. Also, there were random flats which would pop up, and I even seen some young English stunners in their 20s in those flats locally to me. Again, that is finished. Such women are probably doing cam work or something.

To make things worse I also went to LMP parties a few times. The first around 2006 or 07, and it was brilliant back then. The last time I went even that had got worse mainly because of the unfriendly staff - most of the WGs were OK. It just seems there is nothing special out there anymore. Everything seems to end up being a disappointment in one way of another. I could handle the chances of finding a hot girl reducing with the market place having changed, but the hot girls with an attitude have completely ruined things. The only decent WGs I have found looks wise have been rude and seem to aim to do the opposite of giving a decent service.

Thank you for listening. 

[mrhappypants]

mjtt thank you for your first post. 

Forgive me but I am slightly at a loss to understand how the influx of vast numbers of young women from all over Europe into London who are willing to offer a far broader range of services and at demonstrably lower prices, together with free information sharing on internet forum like this and the ready market place of AW have driven the quality of punting down.

[PilotMan]

@MJTT84

You're just old and nobody wants you 

Get over it.

[Ozy84]

What an opening post  Who fucked you over to make you feel like this?

How did you find ukp?

[vw]

Welcome are you related to the doom merchant Sonny Crockett ?   

[Jonestown]

"Everything seems to end up a disappointment one way or another "

That's just you getting old, mate, nothing to worry about, it's still a lot better than being dead.

[joe diddley]

mjtt thank you for your first post. 

Forgive me but I am slightly at a loss to understand how the influx of vast numbers of young women from all over Europe into London who are willing to offer a far broader range of services and at demonstrably lower prices, together with free information sharing on internet forum like this and the ready market place of AW have driven the quality of punting down.

I'm inclined to agree with Mr H. In my view prices have if anything dropped overall while an influx of European lovelies has raised the pulchritude bar exponentially.

[ralhar]

no I have to agree with him on the general state of affairs things were much much better back then... far more women, better looking and providing better service... however, I agree about the price points and I think there you have the problem... there's no incentive for them to whore here so they don't anymore.

[mjtt84]

What an opening post  Who fucked you over to make you feel like this?

How did you find ukp?

Actually a friend recommended it and in some ways I wish he hadn't. I seen two WGs based on reviews on UKP in the last 18 months. They were both, and in one case still is, praised on this site. Neither was even close to women I seen in the late 90s in terms of looks or service. People are even giving positive reviews on this site to women who are clearly lying about their age by 12 years or so.

Anyway, I don't mind the piss taking, but the only hot girls who gave a great service I seen in the last few years were at HOD. Maybe Isabella (the one who stopped working) plus another English brunette who was at HOD and I think briefly went to London Retreat for a while (can't remember her name). Apart from those two any girls I have tried (all EE) were simply unfriendly, or seemingly not willing to appreciate an exchange is taking place. I could use Parissa as an example at HOD. She has been widely reviewed as having an attitude when it suits her, but she is far from the worst out there.

Anyone who fails to see the internet has made this a seller's market is probably one of those who writes reviews of average looking women like they are 1950s film stars. These are the same people who let the prices go up and keep paying. I can no longer trust reviews I see on here unfortunately as they bear no resemblance to the WGs who I go to see and then find are much older and less attractive than they are given credit for.

[Mr Farkyhars]

I'm inclined to agree with Mr H. In my view prices have if anything dropped overall while an influx of European lovelies has raised the pulchritude bar exponentially

Pulchritude is one thing, but a good service is another. People who feel themselves driven to compete rarely have much time to be friendly, I find. Still, another element might be punter burnout.

[PapaSmurf]

Good to get things of your chest, but this seems to be a generation and preference thing. I'm WAY too new to punting too start judging an old school guy, so each to his own.

mjtt thank you for your first post. 

Forgive me but I am slightly at a loss to understand how the influx of vast numbers of young women from all over Europe into London who are willing to offer a far broader range of services and at demonstrably lower prices, together with free information sharing on internet forum like this and the ready market place of AW have driven the quality of punting down.

Yea pretty much what I was thinking. I would expect the variety is through the roof. And prices rising is surely going to be inevitable right? Especially in London.

The price of everything would be cheaper in the 90's.

[raskob]

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[mjtt84]

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Well, even I find that difficult to compare as I didn't see escorts at that time. Mostly saunas or flats. I think full service was £50 around the mid 90s with English wgs. The influx has kept prices down. I remember an escort around 2001 trying to charge £300 per hour, but when I refused she rang me back and dropped the price to around £120 for an hour. I doubt that was the going rate though and she was hot enough to justify more. Again, I think in the current market she would have had an online presence and guys would have paid £300. I refused and she gave in. Just an example of the market place in action I suppose.

[Questlove]

It's all relative I think - I started punting in 93 and tbh it was a nightmare back then in many ways. To find anything worthwhile was difficult. You'd have to find an ad in the back of a local paper or The Sport or a newsagents window. No way of knowing who would be there when you turned up, what service you'd receive etc. This was pre-internet reviews after all.
No one even entertained the idea of owo or dfk, it was a nightmare and many a shit punt was bad.
Back then I preferred street walkers, at least you saw what you were getting... or a visit to Amsterdam every now and then.
Late 90s saw les girls and the soho cottage appear which improved things massively, and the appearance of working flats with African or Latina ladies, and the start of review sites. Then then I'd 00's saw the influx of EE girls and the rest is history.
Your experience may obviously be different but I think things are much better now than then.
Brit girls were usually moody so and so's anyway...

[mrhappypants]

I can no longer trust reviews I see on here unfortunately as they bear no resemblance to the WGs who I go to see and then find are much older and less attractive than they are given credit for.

Maybe if you had managed to write... even one review yourself, your opinion might carry a tiny winy bit of weight....but alas...

[ralhar]

Late 90s saw les girls and the soho cottage appear which improved things massively, and the appearance of working flats with African or Latina ladies, and the start of review sites. Then then I'd 00's saw the influx of EE girls and the rest is history.

This is my era but I saw the tail end of the miserable northern hags getting squeezed out of the central zone (there were some nice young northern girls around though but it was were mainly bad tempered ugly northern hags)

the albanians arrived and changed the game entirley... turned it into big business... a serious machine rather than a poxy cottage industry...

but remember how many walk ups there were... how many whore cards in phone boxes... all the brothels and shag houses... from fitzrovia down to leicester square, holbon across to baker street and gloucester rd... it was heaving with hookers...

I don't know how anyone can say there is more variety or choice now I just don't see it... I wish I could but I can't.

if i was a youngster now i wouldnt even bother i would just jump on tinder or whatever it is they do.

[mjtt84]

You'd have to find an ad in the back of a local paper or The Sport or a newsagents window. No way of knowing who would be there when you turned up, what service you'd receive etc. This was pre-internet reviews after all.

I agree with the first part. I certainly had some bad experiences with random ads in the back of papers. However, there seemed to be more chance of finding good looking young women working in flats at that time, and definitely in saunas. I disagree with the second part. I find that even with internet reviews there are still women who don't care and can still get enough clients that they don't need to care.

Maybe if you had managed to write... even one review yourself, your opinion might carry a tiny winy bit of weight....but alas...

When I seen the amount of trolling that goes on for newbies in the review section I thought what's the point? If I have one post on the site and give a negative review I'll be accused of being fake or something else. As it happens I might still have reviews on another site of WGs I seen I seen (I can remember writing a review of a Scandalbabes escort about 10 years back),  but I'm not here to prove myself to other punters - just to hear some varied opinions.

but remember how many walk ups there were... how many whore cards in phone boxes... all the brothels and shag houses... from fitzrovia down to leicester square, holbon across to baker street and gloucester rd... it was heaving with hookers...

Same in North London. As someone said in another thread, property prices might also be a factor, but there were upmarket residential areas near to me in the 90s that had a few flats within a short walk of each other. What a luxury that seems when I look back on it.

[mrhappypants]

When I seen the amount of trolling that goes on for newbies in the review section I thought what's the point? If I have one post on the site and give a negative review I'll be accused of being fake or something else.

Fuck it, you've convinced me!!  Let's ALL stop writing reviews and let's tell Admin we just want to use UKP as a talking shop to discuss justhow bad punting is these days.

I'm not here to prove myself to other punters - just to hear some varied opinions.

..or spout unsubstiated bolox.

With due respect to the rule about not insulting other posters, you are a twat

[vw]

When I seen the amount of trolling that goes on for newbies in the review section I thought what's the point? If I have one post on the site and give a negative review I'll be accused of being fake or something else. As it happens I might still have reviews on another site of WGs I seen I seen (I can remember writing a review of a Scandalbabes escort about 10 years back),  but I'm not here to prove myself to other punters - just to hear some varied opinions.

So you are here as a critical leech, hiding behind fear, sounds like cowardice to me or a previous banned lowlife.

I see the twat has reported you HappyPants, 

A crying leech then...   

[hendrix]

It's not about "proving yourself" - just contribute honestly and you'll be an asset to the site. There probably isn't one reviewer that everyone thinks is "legit" so there's no point worrying about that. Record your experiences and punters may or may not find them useful. If you help one punter, you've done a good job.

[Marmalade]

Thank you for listening. 

  did you expect tea and cup cakes? Or a hanky? 

I'm not here to prove myself to other punters - just to hear some varied opinions.

So why not just listen? Clearly you do feel you have something to prove. Mostly in the form of a whine about some good old days and how now everything is shit. Not really selling yourself are you mate?

You started a thread to have a right old moan. But what really pissed people off is that you went to Admin and made complaints. Firstly this is not fucking Google Unlimited with a dedicated board to handle complaints. It's run by one guy with his own money and hard work. And you start pissing him about by complaining cos someone called you a cunt or similar??

So if you've finished feeling as miserable as an old tea lady in Khazakstan with only dead seal trotters for your tea, try to offer something a bit more positive and that might benefit other punters if and when you post again. Not complain like a bowl of spilt pish!

Here's a wee lesson for you 

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And the term 'abuse', btw, is defined in the Rules (see link at bottom of page), not your offended wee arse. 

[mrhappypants]

I see the twat has reported you HappyPants, 

Fuckin' hilarious 

[vw]

Fuckin' hilarious 

And again now a pestering leech, pestering the boss.   

[tomasgreenwood]

Nostalgia isn't what it used to be...

[James999]

Thank you for listening. 

Stop sending pathetic reports and whinges to admin, just makes you look like a cunt 

[mjtt84]

Not really selling yourself are you mate?

You're missing the point. I'm not trying to.

[toon972]

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[Marmalade]

You're missing the point. I'm not trying to.

I mean you are not making a valid point as far as this forum is concerned. Learn. (Or basically, fuck off.)

[Hobbit]

mjtt thank you for your first post. 

Forgive me but I am slightly at a loss to understand how the influx of vast numbers of young women from all over Europe into London who are willing to offer a far broader range of services and at demonstrably lower prices, together with free information sharing on internet forum like this and the ready market place of AW have driven the quality of punting down.

I certainly wouldn't say that the influx of European girls has helped because a lot of them are not top quality or have social etiquette. Most of these girls don't understand the English culture or the banter and being with them in between rounds can be quite boring. However, there is the exception with some of them who have lived here five years plus and have actually decided to mingle outside their European groups.

[scutty brown]

You're all missing something
The quote below is from the OPs second post in this thread, note the part I've highlighted

He's a tout for HOD. Nothing more nothing less. They've tried this before, they'll try it again. This time most of you missed it.

.............Anyway, I don't mind the piss taking, but the only hot girls who gave a great service I seen in the last few years were at HOD. Maybe Isabella (the one who stopped working) plus another English brunette who was at HOD and I think briefly went to London Retreat for a while (can't remember her name). Apart from those two any girls I have tried (all EE) were simply unfriendly, or seemingly not willing to appreciate an exchange is taking place. I could use Parissa as an example at HOD. She has been widely reviewed as having an attitude when it suits her, but she is far from the worst out there..................

[vw]

You're all missing something
The quote below is from the OPs second post in this thread, note the part I've highlighted

He's a tout for HOD. Nothing more nothing less. They've tried this before, they'll try it again. This time most of you missed it.

Another scumbag then, you and your beady eye scutty.

[Marmalade]

Scumbag exposed. Surprised if Admin doesn’t ban the cunt.

[vw]

Scumbag exposed. Surprised if Admin doesn’t ban the cunt.

Reported and the boss did the job.   

[nigel4498]

Scumbag exposed. Surprised if Admin doesn’t ban the cunt.

And he has.

[mrhappypants]

Good spot Scutty and it bears out my view that anyone trying to talk down the market in London must be examined with half an eye to vested interest.  There are just to many instances of tout scumbag fuckers saying

(1) prices are going up so we all need pay more, and/ or
(2) market is going down so we need to use agencies.

It is marketing - nothing less.

[morganstar]

Beyond the OP being outed, I think this is always an interesting topic and I once sided with the 'things were better back in the day' crowd, but I've realised that it is complete bollocks.

I've only been punting since around 2006, but discovering UKP has been transformative, and way beyond just the reviews.

My recent epiphany is that while there is less quality talent in my area, the only reason I am aware of this is thanks to UKP, through both reviews and just as importantly, the invaluable thread with the verification picture of various WGs.

So I've managed to work out that 60-70% of the WGs in my area are a waste of time without having to spend a single penny. That is great.

Imagine living in a world where you didn't know UKP existed and you only had to rely on Adultwork reviews.

For a good two years because of the shiteness of AW, I relied on a whorehouse in Ealing called Annabelle's Latinas. Sure, I do miss some of the stonking talent they had on offer (one WG was far and way the best looking and best fuck I've ever had), but give me the current state of play over relying on a whore house with plenty of duds too.