Author Topic: The £20 kiss test?  (Read 41588 times)

Offline myothernameis

Got to admit he wasn't my favourite on here but I'm surprised for the reason he has been banned. I presume the proof was beyond question and well done to all thos involved in sussing him out.

Surprised it has even taken this long for him to be found out, especially with reports on saafe since 2019

Offline dexpunt

Surprised it has even taken this long for him to be found out, especially with reports on saafe since 2019

I'm not familiar with SAAFE. How did this highlight his possible dark insights

Offline myothernameis

I'm not familiar with SAAFE. How did this highlight his possible dark insights

Use google and search these terms,  saafe king tarzan

Offline dexpunt

Use google and search these terms,  saafe king tarzan


Christ Ive just read this and cannot believe it has taken this long to out him. What a complete piece of shit. My heart goes out to those WGs who had to endure this filthy individual.

Offline magnetico

Has this been bumped based on the recent SAAFE post that I am probably not allowed to link?

I'm quite suspicious of the two fresh accounts with barely any posts which are ranting against KT on SAAFE  :hi:

but the constant shit-stirring of KT on UKP was a huge pain in the ass and I won't miss KT  :dash:

and his 100+ positive reviews of Diva girls are making it obvious that there's some something going on between him and the pimps  :dash:

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I'm quite suspicious of the two fresh accounts with barely any posts which are ranting against KT on SAAFE  :hi:


Both accounts are a few years old, so hardly fresh. But by all means, choose to believe it's a conspiracy against KT by a few spiteful SPs ranting on Saafe. Sigh.

I highly doubt this site's owner and the mods would have banned KT without evidence. 

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Both accounts are a few years old, so hardly fresh.
Thanks - I didn't know that. Good riddance  :thumbsup:

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Offline Rayray23k

Wow. Just caught up on all this and everything said of SAAFE.
I am new to this forum and I found myself having to ignore most of his comments.
So the fact that he was a promoter, shouldn't all his reviews be invalidated and taken down?

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Wow. Just caught up on all this and everything said of SAAFE.
I am new to this forum and I found myself having to ignore most of his comments.
So the fact that he was a promoter, shouldn't all his reviews be invalidated and taken down?

Ideally yes, but it's a hell of a lot of work for the admin team to do.
Between Monkeyman's bollocks, and PP1920's BS there are getting on for 500+ reviews which would need individually changing. That's 1000+ minutes of extra work. Are you volunteering?

Offline Belgarion

Interesting that mango boy has finally got the chop

Offline Rayray23k

Ideally yes, but it's a hell of a lot of work for the admin team to do.
Between Monkeyman's bollocks, and PP1920's BS there are getting on for 500+ reviews which would need individually changing. That's 1000+ minutes of extra work. Are you volunteering?

I can only imagine with so many BS reviews.

Offline JontyR

The ban and the reason are underneath each one of his posts, including his reviews. To me that's worth more than a deletion.

Offline sensualencounter

The ban and the reason are underneath each one of his posts, including his reviews. To me that's worth more than a deletion.
Absolutely. Every review is now completely tarnished, as are the agencies in the reviews in my opinion. It’s a fantastic “legacy” the nasty creature has left.

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I wondered why this thread was showing up on my ‘new posts’ view the last couple of days.

I am now all caught up, with the various threads here, and on other forums.

It’s important to remember that no one is untouchable when it comes to acting like a cunt, I see it at work when people, have been there long enough, or achieved a certain position, it becomes easy for them to do this, and achieve that ‘untouchable’ mentality.

I am grateful to the hard work that the team do to ensure that doesn’t happen here. Two caught out in fairly quick succession. Thanks

Offline Tony Blair

I have to say that KT aggressive responses and puerile idiotic style has made me hold back from writing one or two reviews.

Offline myothernameis

Absolutely. Every review is now completely tarnished, as are the agencies in the reviews in my opinion. It’s a fantastic “legacy” the nasty creature has left.

Cant help but think, how does one go ahead, and discuss, leaving good reviews on here, for a discount, when seeing the escort.   Now I dont know who owns the agency, but what would be the odds that KT, in some way knows the owner of the agency.


Offline jesse4585

...  what would be the odds that KT, in some way knows the owner of the agency.
About 5%.

But he doesnt haven't to know the owner. Just a manager empowered to give him discounts for writing +ve reviews. I'd call the odds of that at about 80%. Based mostly on the fact DavieMAC has put about the pos reviews on his ban reason. But also on my limited experience with London agencies.

Even as someone who's only done 5 bookings from the big agency, I've had friendly personal texts with them. I've read that punters who book frequently get invited to become a member, which gives them a basic level of discounts.  I'd find it easy to believe that a frequent booker  would get more interaction and in depth conversation with agency staff, leading to a situation where a "pos reviews for extra discounts" arrangement could be made. Not that most frequent agency punters would do that of course!

Having said that, as per the other thread, some of us are sceptical that KT is as bad as made out in the saafe report.

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Having said that, as per the other thread, some of us are sceptical that KT is as bad as made out in the saafe report.

Maybe go back to the other thread and read Scutty's comments.

Jesse, I must ask, why do you think it is report on Saafe that is false (in part) rather than KT being a disgusting and fetid individual? His views about women have been well-documented all over this site, so perhaps it should be not a huge shock that his contempt for women, particularly escorts, would manifest in not only how he behaved in bookings, but with regards to his lack of attention to his own hygiene.

It is also worth considering that many agency escorts are transient and only in London for weeks, if not a few months at a time. Many do not speak English particularly well, and it is doubtful they even know about things like CE, NUM and Saafe to file a report after a booking with KT. Add this to their agents probably telling them that KT is a good customer and it's important that they please him, at all costs. All these things considered, it is perhaps unsurprisingly they are not many reports about KT out in the open.
« Last Edit: January 17, 2023, 06:47:33 pm by dunhill »

Offline Rayray23k

We'll never know if KT is a bad person or not in real life. But in here we can all cast our own judgements of him based on his comments and I think it's fair to say that he's pissed off quite a few people.
« Last Edit: January 17, 2023, 07:12:54 pm by Rayray23k »

Offline MysteryManNo.7

We'll never know if KT is a bad person or not in real life. But in here we can all cast our own judgements on his comments which I think it's fair to say for the majority, isn't good.

Sure but on the balance of probabilities alone I find it very hard to believe that 5 separate escorts over the course of approx. 5 years set up different accounts on SAAFE (and I've read he was spoken of poorly by escorts on other forums for the same shitty behaviour, hygiene etc) simply to smear the guy as he claimed.

There are two sides to every story but I'm inclined to believe the multiple reports of his disgusting and abusive behaviour over a long period of years rather than the man who spewed more shit on here than an overflowing septic tank.

Offline juzz

Is it possible he is still logged in? His profile says active at 10:27pm  today. Maybe he never logs out!

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?action=profile;u=22678

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Is it possible he is still logged in? His profile says active at 10:27pm  today. Maybe he never logs out!

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?action=profile;u=22678

Play the man, not the mango.

Offline popmopcop

Absolutely. Every review is now completely tarnished, as are the agencies in the reviews in my opinion. It’s a fantastic “legacy” the nasty creature has left.

I got the impression King Trans-shagged's account was bot controlled after the 3rd review I read. Copy paste nonsense.
Along with bedsit fantasist and angry trans-shagged 2 agency reps castrated.

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Is it possible he is still logged in? His profile says active at 10:27pm  today. Maybe he never logs out!

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?action=profile;u=22678

If you're banned you can log in, but you can't access the forum. All you get is a "you're banned" message

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If you're banned you can log in, but you can't access the forum. All you get is a "you're banned" message

He's probably sat there clicking refresh :sarcastic:

For a punter he had a Mary Whitehouse view of the world :unknown:

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Is it possible he is still logged in? His profile says active at 10:27pm  today. Maybe he never logs out!

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?action=profile;u=22678
Coming up for 12 years you've ben here any reason you haven't posted any reviews?

BTW this is a question that requires an answer.

Offline jesse4585

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Jesse, I must ask, why do you think it is report on Saafe that is false (in part) rather than KT being a disgusting and fetid individual? His views about women have been well-documented all over this site, so perhaps it should be not a huge shock that his contempt for women, particularly escorts, would manifest in not only how he behaved in bookings, but with regards to his lack of attention to his own hygiene.

It is also worth considering that many agency escorts are transient and only in London for weeks, if not a few months at a time. Many do not speak English particularly well, and it is doubtful they even know about things like CE, NUM and Saafe to file a report after a booking with KT. Add this to their agents probably telling them that KT is a good customer and it's important that they please him, at all costs. All these things considered, it is perhaps unsurprisingly they are not many reports about KT out in the open.
Everything you say is plausible Dunhill; I respect  your judgement, perhaps you're entirely right and us saafe skeptics are wrong.

The single biggest reason I dont trust the saafe thread is that some of the points contradict KT's own claims.  E.g. when he said "I don't pull hair, piss on them, face slap them, spit on them, throw them around,  bang them hard, spank them ( even though I've been requested too)" https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=364416.150

There's multiple reasons  why I believe he's honest. Many a time, when an escort has been cold or disagreeable towards him, triggering a -ve review, he'll still admit she was good looking, sometimes even rating his -ves as high as 9/10 for physical excellence.  That thing about not spanking women is something I remember him saying years back - and not when he was defending himself, it was just to express disapproval at other punters doing it.  A lot of what he says is consistent with what some of my grandads mates used to say about women - views that are very sexist by today's standards, but still the views of men who in their own way believed in treating woman well.

I could write paragraphs more about why I tend to believe he's honest, and at least 8 other reasons why I suspect the safe thread is a hatchet job. But not really worth it - it would just be possibly entirely wrong speculation. And as said in the other thread, I'm glad he's been perma'd.  Some of his own posts showed he *sometimes* treated women horribly. We dont have to trust saafe accounts to know that.  And even if the only pressure WGs get is to give him the non extreme services he says he likes (such as DFK when the WG prefers to give only LFK) then its still a good thing he no longer has this site as a platform to give him bargaining power with agency bosses.

Offline juzz

Coming up for 12 years you've ben here any reason you haven't posted any reviews?

BTW this is a question that requires an answer.
Yes, as I previously mentioned when I was last asked, the reasons for non-review are:
a. Long term health issues meant I have been unable to punt. I live in hope this will change sooner than later.
b. My interest is/was mainly FBSM, before the days the site had a review section for this.
c. Lack of reviews are the main reason I have previously donated to the site.

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Everything you say is plausible Dunhill; I respect  your judgement, perhaps you're entirely right and us saafe skeptics are wrong.

The single biggest reason I dont trust the saafe thread is that some of the points contradict KT's own claims.  E.g. when he said "I don't pull hair, piss on them, face slap them, spit on them, throw them around,  bang them hard, spank them ( even though I've been requested too)" https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=364416.150

There's multiple reasons  why I believe he's honest. Many a time, when an escort has been cold or disagreeable towards him, triggering a -ve review, he'll still admit she was good looking, sometimes even rating his -ves as high as 9/10 for physical excellence.  That thing about not spanking women is something I remember him saying years back - and not when he was defending himself, it was just to express disapproval at other punters doing it.  A lot of what he says is consistent with what some of my grandads mates used to say about women - views that are very sexist by today's standards, but still the views of men who in their own way believed in treating woman well.

I could write paragraphs more about why I tend to believe he's honest, and at least 8 other reasons why I suspect the safe thread is a hatchet job. But not really worth it - it would just be possibly entirely wrong speculation. And as said in the other thread, I'm glad he's been perma'd.  Some of his own posts showed he *sometimes* treated women horribly. We dont have to trust saafe accounts to know that.  And even if the only pressure WGs get is to give him the non extreme services he says he likes (such as DFK when the WG prefers to give only LFK) then its still a good thing he no longer has this site as a platform to give him bargaining power with agency bosses.


Unfortunately, his behaviour, the denials and assertions that he only treats women well is how abusers behave. This is how many abusers evade capture for so long. I mean come on, KT might be an idiot, but he's hardly going to admit that he does all these things, particularly if they're being done by force and non-consensually.

So, let's agree to disagree.


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When i first started doing reviews [pre the section for this], crikey did i get some piss taking for posting these

b. My interest is/was mainly FBSM, before the days the site had a review section for this.

Offline myothernameis

Seems there been a update on Saafe, so looks like police now involved.  Threats made against escort, telling her to remove the post, and she would be dealt with, if post not removed

Also suggestion this escort being threatened by some of the pimps, so dont know if this is in connection with a agency

If threats coming from KT, then think he lost the plot

Offline juzz

When i first started doing reviews [pre the section for this], crikey did i get some piss taking for posting these
Yeah, there has always been a lot of intolerance by a relatively small number of people.

Anyway, it wasn't my intention to interrupt this thread which is about more major issues.

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Yes, as I previously mentioned when I was last asked, the reasons for non-review are:
a. Long term health issues meant I have been unable to punt. I live in hope this will change sooner than later.
b. My interest is/was mainly FBSM, before the days the site had a review section for this.
c. Lack of reviews are the main reason I have previously donated to the site.
What has donating to the site got to do with anything, do you think it gives you some kind of dispensation?

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What has donating to the site got to do with anything, do you think it gives you some kind of dispensation?
No, but it demonstrates that I have tried to give something back.

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Seems there been a update on Saafe, so looks like police now involved.  Threats made against escort, telling her to remove the post, and she would be dealt with, if post not removed

Also suggestion this escort being threatened by some of the pimps, so dont know if this is in connection with a agency

If threats coming from KT, then think he lost the plot

This is where things may begin too get messy.
Someone using KT's name has posted negatively about SAAFE on *r*padvisor. In what looks to me like a bad attempt at emulating his style. We've had this before with people trying  to emulate him (and other members) when stirring shit about UKP/UKE
No,  I'm not going to link to the post

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No, but it demonstrates that I have tried to give something back.
Fair enough.

Offline Gmoney77

Bollox to you.....

My £20 kiss test has not been a problem for the honeys.. few seconds later they get the remainder £120 minimum + in there hands.. they are surprised by it as they have never come across it as I am the first man to ever try it and it's not a problem for them BECAUSE THEY ARE HONEST HONEYS AND HONEST GFE PROVIDERS..
Lots of you go to the cheaper ones so a £60 to £100 loss you can absorb and then come on here and bitch about it.. my price range is nearly double that so that loss would be very difficult to absorb time after time..
Look at my reviews and there are much more high percentage of positives and the guys who like my tastes are virtually guaranteed dfk on there visits as I have tried and tested the ladies..
And plenty have given the thumbs up on here and in personal messages to me..
You small army of critics have not got the balse to do the £20 kiss test so you just carry on losing your money and then come on here and bitch till your hearts are content..
The ladies I have kiss  tested have never had a problem with it and have proceeded to give me excellent dfk non stop with great owo mango licking and great sex and I have stayed over the hour in some cases..
So your theories are bollox!!
That the service will be shit or that they are in a bad mood etc etc..
When I have talked to the honeys they have said that there is nothing wrong as it does distinguish between honest gfe providers like themselves and whores who lie and are utterly dishonest and give working girls a bad name..
Seems to be a constant vendetta against Romanian prostitutes which in my honest opinion is unfair, and with or without  £20 kiss test I have never ever had a problem with them..
When on average I am spending £150 + on a woman my £20 kiss test either saves me from a loss of my hard earned cash or in most cases guarantees me a great passionate filled hour of gfe services...

Why not hire a builder in to do an extension for you and give him a £20 “brick lay” test and see how many teeth you still have left after his response.

What a total prick!

Offline alabama1

Why not hire a builder in to do an extension for you and give him a £20 “brick lay” test and see how many teeth you still have left after his response.

What a total prick!
You obviously don't know , but he's been banned.  :rolleyes:

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When i first started doing reviews [pre the section for this], crikey did i get some piss taking for posting these

I remember reading years ago on another site that UKP was hostile to R&T shop encounters. Put me off joining far longer than I should have.

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I see we now have Karma ratings
Damn I would have loved to see KT's rating  :rolleyes:

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I wonder +ve or -ve ?

So how do these work ?

& do i score points by visiting this R&T set-up ?  ;) 
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Their 'shop' man must be loaded  :rolleyes:

I see we now have Karma ratings
Damn I would have loved to see KT's rating  :rolleyes:

Offline Sugarspike

The Saffe post regarding KT is extremely disturbing for many reasons all together.

If true, then his behaviour and specifically the owner of the establishment is unacceptable and border criminal. I wouldn't want to use an agency who is forcing a WG to work against her will.

However, as punters, May I just point to the most disturbing nuget in this Saafe post which should alarm us the punters using this agency?

The post mentioned twice that they have recorded the events.
The first is an argument with a WG. So this could be interpeted as a corridor argument etc where they could have pulled a mobile phone to record the event.

But the second recording she is mentioning is inside the room, where KT is apparently jumping on the bed.

To me, this sounds like they might have a spy cam inside their rooms and it's extremely alarming to me as a punter.

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It was the dinosaurs of UKP who dished out the grief
They were mostly wiped out when off topic was binned a number of years ago along with a number of +ve other changes

Who would have thought that R&T would get its own section
& topics like edging emerge

If you'd joined earlier you might be ahead of me on the review count  ;)

I remember reading years ago on another site that UKP was hostile to R&T shop encounters. Put me off joining far longer than I should have.

Offline Punting2022

wow, what a nasty character.
he basically got free sex, i guess he will have to pay for it now. Nothing stopping him booking girls. But he has to pay as he has no reviews to threaten them with.

Any one know the agency to possibly avoid booking if they have cameras
« Last Edit: January 18, 2023, 11:43:07 am by Punting2022 »

Offline MysteryManNo.7

wow, what a nasty character.
he basically got free sex, i guess he will have to pay for it now. Nothing stopping him booking girls. But he has to pay as he has no reviews to threaten them with.

Any one know the agency to possibly avoid booking if they have cameras

The way I Interpreted it was that they started recording him on their phones once his bizarre behaviour became too much but may be wrong.

Offline dexpunt

A huge percentage of his reviews came from an agency called Babylon so it makes sense to assume he was involved heavily with this agency. Not being from that area I cannot speculate further

Offline anonymouse72

A huge percentage of his reviews came from an agency called Babylon so it makes sense to assume he was involved heavily with this agency. Not being from that area I cannot speculate further

Quite a few of those reviews were also negatives. Bizarre for someone allegedly receiving benefits for positive reviews. Perhaps some girls deliberately failed the test to avoid seeing him. Regardless it's despicable behaviour from him even if just a fraction of what is read is true. One can only hope the ladies involved are no longer harmed in any way.

Offline IAmNotFamous

wow, what a nasty character.
he basically got free sex, i guess he will have to pay for it now. Nothing stopping him booking girls. But he has to pay as he has no reviews to threaten them with.

Any one know the agency to possibly avoid booking if they have cameras

From my understanding, he got discounted services. The SPs received nothing