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Offline georgydog

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Saw Ania a couple of days ago fired off a text and got a quick reply made a booking for 1pm asked for a GFE no problems here arrived a few minutes early i text her to say i was there she then asked me to ring her she gave me instructions to get into the apartment easy to find the entry door is next to a hairdressers that was closed at the time.

The apartment is ok clean and good for the purpose right behind the theatre

Ok so i go into the bedroom and ania asked if i wanted a shower i had already showered but accepted as i think its always a good idea anyway she hands me a towel and guides me to the bathroom at this point she says the bathroom is busy and asks me to wait no problem after a couple of minutes she says bathroom is free.

HERE IS WERE IT STARTS TO GO WRONG FOR ME.
As i are in the bathroom i hear Ania talking to another punter and seeing him to the door asking if he had enjoyed his time with her it was obvious to me at this point that she had just finished with him in another room and had not had time to shower also a lot of loud voices coming from the living room.


THE ACTION ILL KEEP IT BRIEF
Ania comes into the room she's a very friendly girl small size 6i would say  had a boob job but there not large nice size for her frame nice face
starts with a peck no DFK as id asked for she then stars to rub her body against me kissing my chest but then out of nowhere pushes me onto the bed asks if i want OW or OWO  i opt for OWO out come the baby wipes i don't have a problem with this it seems common practice she starts giving me head she was going at it like a jackhammer painful at times not good at all i was getting a little sore she then asked if i wanted sex but there was no condoms in the room so she had to go out and get some  :dash: seemed to take an age to returned came back with what seemed like a 50 condoms in here hand sex in various positions she kept telling me fuck her as hard a i could in her tight pussy and fake moans VERY OFF PUTTING the bed was very rickety and was making such a noise

AFTER THOUGHTS
I have left a couple of days to write this review as i don't want to give negatives on a whim but this time i feel its justified she's a nice friendly girl but her service was really strange and very aggressive at times to me and the punter in the other room put me off a little  i now some of you have had a good experience with her but i didn't

Offline Pablo02

Conveyer belt system mate
You should have told the filthy prossie to go shower herself before you even touched her!

Offline georgydog

She told me she was going to a shower while i was in the bathroom but on after thoughts there is only one bathroom

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Sounds awful and has let her mask slip, why let you in when there is another punter there and clearly no personal hygeine, one more off my list.


Blowjob sounds damn awful to.

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Thanks for the honest review though.

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Oh dear, that is unpleasant, double standards, insists on you showering, then wet wipes you, but all the time she still has the other guys leavings over her  :vomit:

A well deserved negative, even if I could see her again I wouldn't after that.

Thanks for the review

Ming  :hi:

Offline chris300

Thanks for your review georydog. This sounds very similar to my first meeting with Ania last week. Though it was not quite as bad as yours with the previous punter still in the other room. The whole experience felt rushed and very conveyer belt like to me. This was not like the quality GFE that I am used to.

Also, didn't like everyone going in and out to use the same shower room. At the end Ania checked for me that the shower was free. But then just as I'm about to go with a small towel wrapped around me. Another punter and a prossie suddenly come out the other door. Luckily I wasn't caught in the middle or I might have dropped the towel and mini me could of been exposed  :scare:

Offline Excalibur

I saw Ania yesterday (report to follow) and her place is like Grand Central.  Wouldn't want to be their neighbour with all the day and night shenanigans going on.

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I believe she is now sharing with Karolinka, who also had a stinker of a review the other day.

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The old conveyer belt service, no good ever comes from it... You'd think they'd learn!   :dash:

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The old conveyer belt service, no good ever comes from it... You'd think they'd learn!   :dash:

Short term greed IMO

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Agreed! No other reason for it really!

Sure emily went through some overworking early on in her career from memory, now she takes breaks which is good for everybody it seems.

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Sure emily went through some overworking early on in her career from memory, now she takes breaks which is good for everybody it seems.

Not sure about Emily, bit before my time on here, although she has no neutrals or negs! But I do remember her mate Victoria taking some flak on here for a conveyor belt service at times. Wonder what happened to her, retired?

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I believe she is now sharing with Karolinka, who also had a stinker of a review the other day.
yes your right ania asked me if i had seen karolinka

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Not sure about Emily, bit before my time on here, although she has no neutrals or negs! But I do remember her mate Victoria taking some flak on here for a conveyor belt service at times. Wonder what happened to her, retired?

she had a few no RO comments and its sore

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=64185.msg819410#msg819410

Offline georgydog

i think the problem is a few good reviews on here and they suddenly become very popular thats when things can start to go wrong she must have a booking at 12pm and me at 1pm with no break onwards and upwards we live and learn this review may slow things up hope she reads it and takes it on board we are not mugs but seem to be treated as such sometimes
forgot to mention in my view after sex she removed condom and wrapped by member up i tissue like it was a battered sausage from the chip shop very strange experience
« Last Edit: July 23, 2017, 02:36:40 pm by georgydog »

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That's a mighty fine memory!   :thumbsup:
strangest thing I've ever experienced from a WG

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i think the problem is a few good reviews on here and they suddenly become very popular thats when things can start to go wrong she must have a booking at 12pm and me at 1pm with no break onwards and upwards we live and learn this review may slow things up hope she reads it and takes it on board we are not mugs but seem to be treated as such sometimes
forgot to mention in my view after sex she removed condom and wrapped by member up i tissue like it was a battered sausage from the chip shop very strange experience

I think I had the battered sausage treatment also, if my memory serves me right!

Your right, they do become very popular, take on too much cock then the service standards drop! Happens with a lot of prossies

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Thanks for the review Georgydog, hope the next one is better.

Not good back to backing punters to the level that punter B is through the door before punter A has even left the flat! :thumbsdown:

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We all know that the bed is not even cold from the last punter, but to be rubbing our noses in it like this is unprofessional and is tardying her otherwise fairly good reputation.

I remember the Emily saga, she has learnt from the comments and has no doubt benefited from a stream of good reviews, where no one feels rushed and hygiene is paramount.

Let's not forget something that is often not commented upon, bad hygiene will lead to health problems, not just for her but for those who are spending time with her, which by the sounds of it are 10+ per day.

Let's hope she learns...

Ming  :hi:

Offline samsung1

I believe she is now sharing with Karolinka, who also had a stinker of a review the other day.


Yes that is correct, there seems to be a dodgy group of WG's who operate on Inge street.

Offline bearcat69

i think the problem is a few good reviews on here and they suddenly become very popular thats when things can start to go wrong she must have a booking at 12pm and me at 1pm with no break onwards and upwards we live and learn this review may slow things up hope she reads it and takes it on board we are not mugs but seem to be treated as such sometimes
forgot to mention in my view after sex she removed condom and wrapped by member up i tissue like it was a battered sausage from the chip shop very strange experience

I hope the maid that sorts out the bookings for this group reads it and takes things on board. Look at my thoughts at the end of the review I did for the great punt I had with ashley.darling back in January... Before her service declined and she went all crap... Did the maid read that and take what I was saying on board. Fuck no, she obviously did not.

Don't get me wrong, Ania probably replied to some advert placed on some Polish website and is choosing to take part in this conveyor belt operation, just as much as the maid or whatever other pimps involved are choosing to run it in a way that focuses on making profit over good customer service. But if the maid continues to ignore concerns over such matters this exact same thing will continue to happen over and over again. As they say though, punting ain't for the squeamish, and neither is whoring. Fortunately, there is always other places we punters can take our money to, and there is always other jobs whores can choose to do instead. But sorry you had a bad punt, and better luck next time out.

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Not sure about Emily, bit before my time on here, although she has no neutrals or negs! But I do remember her mate Victoria taking some flak on here for a conveyor belt service at times. Wonder what happened to her, retired?

Sweet.Victoria the Czech? I may have seen her just before she retired when she was working on Broad st. She told me she was going into education or something as she was doing IELTS, and may have started Uni  :D
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Fortunately, there is always other places we punters can take our money to, and there is always other jobs whores can choose to do instead.

I take your point bearcat about other places but in practice out of the 20 odd pages of prossies on AW for Brum there is just a handful ( after applying my filters e.g <= size 10) that I'd actually want to punt.  Prossie short term greed coupled with a queue to get in bigger than at the Hipperdome results in your back to back bookings.

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I take your point bearcat about other places but in practice out of the 20 odd pages of prossies on AW for Brum there is just a handful ( after applying my filters e.g <= size 10) that I'd actually want to punt.  Prossie short term greed coupled with a queue to get in bigger than at the Hipperdome results in your back to back bookings.

I remember that there was some mention on another thread, I think by Curry (who seems well informed) that the girls working in this group are under some duress by the management and, that not only do they take 50% of the income but they push the girls to work till they can't sit down.

If true, and I have it on good authority that it is, then this is tantamount to being forced.

I won't be returning to this group.

Ming  :hi:

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I take your point bearcat about other places but in practice out of the 20 odd pages of prossies on AW for Brum there is just a handful ( after applying my filters e.g <= size 10) that I'd actually want to punt.  Prossie short term greed coupled with a queue to get in bigger than at the Hipperdome results in your back to back bookings.

Yeah, I completely agree with you. :hi:

It's a shame, but there is rather limited choice in Brum, it is very true. If I was to look for a punt tonight, my choices of girls I'd actually want to fuck would basically be Ania, Emily (although good luck getting a booking right at this moment without pre sorted communications), some random Roma skank, or I could go to a parlour for a P&D or maybe a mediocre GFE if I was lucky. That, or I could sit around and wait for one of the actually worth fucking indie girls to be available, fuck knows when that is. Oh, and good luck finding a decent PSE service provider in Brum. :dash:

Non of this excuses bad service or poor hygiene standards though. Being a business operating without much local competition doesn't mean you can just take the piss out of your customers. :thumbsdown:
« Last Edit: July 23, 2017, 05:50:13 pm by bearcat69 »

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I remember that there was some mention on another thread, I think by Curry (who seems well informed) that the girls working in this group are under some duress by the management and, that not only do they take 50% of the income but they push the girls to work till they can't sit down.

If true, and I have it on good authority that it is, then this is tantamount to being forced.

I won't be returning to this group.

Ming  :hi:

Hmm didn't see this comment Ming.  If so puts a different slant on proceedings.  I've just posted a review of Ania and her disposition didn't suggest any sweat shop operation.  Indeed, she is fucking off back to Poland and then Romania for an eight week holiday if you believe what she said.  She had also just come back from a weekend away with a chum in Slovakia.

Who knows? You can only say it as you see it.

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Sorry to hear that georgydog thanks for the review  :hi:

Doesn't sound good at all although it doesn't put me off seeing Ania again based on my own previous experiences with her.

Hope your next one is better.


Offline azrael

Thanks for the review gd, sorry to hear your experience wasnt enjoyable. I have to say ania is more pse than gfe, and the girls generally do tend to drum up business by introducing each other to the punters comming and going. But that should be done in thier time and not in the punters :drinks:

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Sorry to hear you had a bad one. Really surprised tho as I visited her very recently (review will be posted as soon as I can find the time) and I do agree about how busy it was. Punters going and coming and I think they use the bathroom as a hiding spot when punters come in and out. I asked for a shower and was Had to wait a min or two and clearly saw a punter hiding in there and I'm pretty sure he saw me. Awkward to say the least but didn't bother me too much. I was there for the exact same reason he was only he had seen another girl and not Ania as he was being shown out the door by Ania's friend who was naked and clearly just finished a meet.

As for the service and hygiene I'm lucky I guess as she seemed very fresh and clean. When it came to owo no baby wipes anywhere to be seen and not as rough as some mentioned.

What I do find with her (seen her a few times now) is that she tries to take control but if she does something you don't like just tell her and she will adjust or change.

Not defending her in anyway but to be fair unless she is told how you like it and what your after or has seen you before and knows your needs it is hard for her to guess.

No disrespect to anyone but I find communication gets the best out of any meet. Doesn't however excuse the conveyor belt service and I think that will have to change if she and the group in general what to enjoy the success they are experiencing.

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Sorry to hear you had a bad one. Really surprised tho as I visited her very recently (review will be posted as soon as I can find the time) and I do agree about how busy it was. Punters going and coming and I think they use the bathroom as a hiding spot when punters come in and out. I asked for a shower and was Had to wait a min or two and clearly saw a punter hiding in there and I'm pretty sure he saw me. Awkward to say the least but didn't bother me too much. I was there for the exact same reason he was only he had seen another girl and not Ania as he was being shown out the door by Ania's friend who was naked and clearly just finished a meet.

I was going to post a neutral for Ania.beautiful as I found my own experience with her recently somewhere in the middle of georgydogs review and Excaliburs. I could understand them both really but I don't want to flood the forum with Ania reviews, so I will leave it at that. But what I will say is I don't like the setup down there at all. And I will definitely not be going back. Each to their own though.   

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I was going to post a neutral for Ania.beautiful as I found my own experience with her recently somewhere in the middle of georgydogs review and Excaliburs. I could understand them both really but I don't want to flood the forum with Ania reviews, so I will leave it at that. But what I will say is I don't like the setup down there at all. And I will definitely not be going back. Each to their own though.   

dont worry about flooding, the more reviews the better, if you have time.   :hi:

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dont worry about flooding, the more reviews the better, if you have time.   :hi:

Thanks, Ania.beautiful will be my next review then  :cool:

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dont worry about flooding, the more reviews the better, if you have time.   :hi:

Must admit I've been holding off on the review myself in fear of being accused of white knighting. My experience was positive but then again I'm easily pleased and not too fussed with traffic as long as I'm not face to face with another punter. If that happened I think I would post a beg review.

I also know good things don't last forever and a bad punt is well overdue. Planning to see a WG in Coventry today/tomorrow and she doesn't have much good reviews and a Romanian revolving door situation but I find her fit as fuck so gotta deal with it aleast once to see if it's any good.

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We all should never be afraid of posting an honest review.

I think the timing of Excaliburs was unfortunate, but not white knighting, there needs to be caution exercised in accusing people of WK, as can be seen on the two threads, it can lead to putting people off writing a review.

WK is a cardinal sin on here, but if you have an honest review then, for the benefit of the community it should be posted.

Ming  :hi:

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Must admit I've been holding off on the review myself in fear of being accused of white knighting. My experience was positive but then again I'm easily pleased and not too fussed with traffic as long as I'm not face to face with another punter. If that happened I think I would post a beg review.

I also know good things don't last forever and a bad punt is well overdue. Planning to see a WG in Coventry today/tomorrow and she doesn't have much good reviews and a Romanian revolving door situation but I find her fit as fuck so gotta deal with it aleast once to see if it's any good.

Write review for punters and not her, most white knight reviews refer back and try and make out the neg before was a liar, just share your experience.

Good luck with the Rom, hope she is god for you.

Offline bearcat69

We all should never be afraid of posting an honest review.

I think the timing of Excaliburs was unfortunate, but not white knighting, there needs to be caution exercised in accusing people of WK, as can be seen on the two threads, it can lead to putting people off writing a review.

WK is a cardinal sin on here, but if you have an honest review then, for the benefit of the community it should be posted.

Ming  :hi:

I presented my reasons clearly for questioning him and calling him a white-knight. It's not like I call everybody a white-knight just for the hell of it. If you were to look through my posts you'd see I've done it once or twice out of hundreds of posts and only when I've seen dodgy behavior in recurrent fashion. How much bullshit did I let JB and everybody else say to me, including linking my UKP and AW username, implying I'm in cahoots and all that other bullshit, before I said anything about him being a WK? It's the last thing I want to just go around shouting at people. I'm hear to look for a worthwhile prossie to fuck and maybe have a bit of a laugh along the way..

But, look, I appreciate your perspective on it. I think really, Excalibur as just being a big old fluffy old bollocks :sarcastic: To be fair though, he wouldn't be the first to get all fluffy about some whore... I would suggest he time his rebuttal reviews a bit more carefully in future, as carelessness over such things will likely annoy people.

Anyway, I hope you have a nice day, and I look forwards to reading your review about fucking Emily up the arse. :coolgirl:

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Write review for punters and not her, most white knight reviews refer back and try and make out the neg before was a liar, just share your experience.

Good luck with the Rom, hope she is god for you.

I thought she was polish? Not picking on you vw, its been mentioned twice on here so i thought i'd ask. On a more serious note for the new guys like ali and chris just as long as you keep to the facts and not put "reviewing" wg on a pedestal then you'll be alright, theres plenty of us fluffy fuckers out there but as long as your keeping to the facts you'll be ok   :hi:

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I presented my reasons clearly for questioning him and calling him a white-knight. It's not like I call everybody a white-knight just for the hell of it. If you were to look through my posts you'd see I've done it once or twice out of hundreds of posts and only when I've seen dodgy behavior in recurrent fashion. How much bullshit did I let JB and everybody else say to me, including linking my UKP and AW username, implying I'm in cahoots and all that other bullshit, before I said anything about him being a WK? It's the last thing I want to just go around shouting at people. I'm hear to look for a worthwhile prossie to fuck and maybe have a bit of a laugh along the way..

But, look, I appreciate your perspective on it. I think really, Excalibur as just being a big old fluffy old bollocks :sarcastic: To be fair though, he wouldn't be the first to get all fluffy about some whore... I would suggest he time his rebuttal reviews a bit more carefully in future, as carelessness over such things will likely annoy people.

Anyway, I hope you have a nice day, and I look forwards to reading your review about fucking Emily up the arse. :coolgirl:

Admin has not banned me. So, like you said I'm awaiting your apology. You've got punters coming on wondering if/when to do reviews based on the back of your bullshit. 'I would suggest he times his rebuttal reviews a bit more carefully in future.....'. Can I suggest that punters do their reviews when they fucking want to and ignore your verbal diarrhoea.  Must admit suprised Admin hasn't banned you for being a 1st class cunt.....now where's my apology?

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Admin has not banned me. So, like you said I'm awaiting your apology. You've got punters coming on wondering if/when to do reviews based on the back of your bullshit. 'I would suggest he times his rebuttal reviews a bit more carefully in future.....'. Can I suggest that punters do their reviews when they fucking want to and ignore your verbal diarrhoea.  Must admit suprised Admin hasn't banned you for being a 1st class cunt.....now where's my apology?

 :lol:

Completely miss the point. But that is up to you.

Record number of reviews on here so far this year.

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I thought she was polish? Not picking on you vw, its been mentioned twice on here so i thought i'd ask
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I was referring to this, have no idea on nationality, looks Hungarian/romanian thats for sure though, maybe southern Polish at a push looking at her.

Planning to see a WG in Coventry today/tomorrow and she doesn't have much good reviews and a Romanian revolving door situation but I find her fit as fuck so gotta deal with it aleast once to see if it's any good.

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Completely miss the point. But that is up to you.

Record number of reviews on here so far this year.

What point? Enlighten me oh wise one?

Record number of reviews......good on you.  Does that give you some authority to dictate other punters behaviour.  No it fucking doesn't.

When's my apology coming?

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What point? Enlighten me oh wise one?

Record number of reviews......good on you.  Does that give you some authority to dictate other punters behaviour.  No it fucking doesn't.

When's my apology coming?

Demanding an apology... Doesn't make you look deranged at all  :sarcastic:

I don't think all reviews are posted because of me, but I'm just trying to do my best to help. My intention is ALWAYS to tell other punters in whatever little I can.

But nobody's perfect... Still not convinced over your reasons for posting the review... Or that I was wrong to call you a WK.

Where's your apology to the OP of this review?  :unknown:

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I presented my reasons clearly for questioning him and calling him a white-knight. It's not like I call everybody a white-knight just for the hell of it. If you were to look through my posts you'd see I've done it once or twice out of hundreds of posts and only when I've seen dodgy behavior in recurrent fashion. How much bullshit did I let JB and everybody else say to me, including linking my UKP and AW username, implying I'm in cahoots and all that other bullshit, before I said anything about him being a WK? It's the last thing I want to just go around shouting at people. I'm hear to look for a worthwhile prossie to fuck and maybe have a bit of a laugh along the way..

But, look, I appreciate your perspective on it. I think really, Excalibur as just being a big old fluffy old bollocks :sarcastic: To be fair though, he wouldn't be the first to get all fluffy about some whore... I would suggest he time his rebuttal reviews a bit more carefully in future, as carelessness over such things will likely annoy people.

Anyway, I hope you have a nice day, and I look forwards to reading your review about fucking Emily up the arse. :coolgirl:

Let me clarify, my post above was not a criticism of you BC, I read all your reasoning's and can see your point, I don't agree with it, but I do see why you may have thought the way you did.

The point I was trying to make is that accusations of being a WK need to be measured, if the evidence is thin it is really insulting to the individual and will have a negative impact on people posting their own experiences for fear of being called a WK. That said, we must of course all try to keep this forum clear of WK's where there is strong evidence.

Exactly. You posted the review to defend her honour. It wasn't about assessing her attitude or her looks or the quality of her service, it was about charging in for virtuous reasons.

If I'm wrong I'll put my hands up and say sorry. But I didn't just question your review without good reason. At the very least your review was questionable. I don't doubt that you've seen Ania though.

I do think you owe Excalibur an apology.

As regards Emily's booty, alas she cancelled on me, she gave plenty of notice and I hope that she will rearrange soon..... it was to be the highlight of my punting week  :cry:

Ming  :hi:



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WOW, didn't think my post would have such an impact and get some many people talking. Not been here long so I can't really comment on WK or what it entails and how to spot it. That's why I was cautious.

In response to Az and Ming (and anyone that I've missed who made the same points) I will always post honest factual reviews that would benefit the forum and not the WG. You only need to read some of my previous reviews and posts to see that.

I've gained a lot from here so wish to contribute and give back. With that in mind I will post a review of my meet with Ania soon as I cannot and as for the romainian in cov she isn't currently displaying her number so will have to find a plan B till her number appears again.

Also think it's a good idea to call a time out and get back to the real job at hand and that's to bang a prossie and share the experience  :D :D

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Demanding an apology... Doesn't make you look deranged at all  :sarcastic:

I don't think all reviews are posted because of me, but I'm just trying to do my best to help. My intention is ALWAYS to tell other punters in whatever little I can.

But nobody's perfect... Still not convinced over your reasons for posting the review... Or that I was wrong to call you a WK.

Where's your apology to the OP of this review?  :unknown:

Demand an apology - I'm just holding you to what you said.  Somebody with backbone would man up and admit they made a wrong call.

I don't think all reviews are posted because of me - this might come as shocker Bearcat but I don't think any reviews are posted because of you.  Punters post reviews after seeing a prossie, its errr what this site is about.

Still not convinced of your reasons - another shocker for you Bearcat, I saw Isla and did a review.  I saw Ania and did a review.  It's kinda how this site rolls.  Do you know what, I'm seeing another prossie tonight and I'm going to review her too.  I'm fucking radical like that.

Where's my apology to the OP?  Tell me what I'm apologising for and if it's reasonable I'll apologise to Georgy.


Offline bearcat69

Let me clarify, my post above was not a criticism of you BC, I read all your reasoning's and can see your point, I don't agree with it, but I do see why you may have thought the way you did.

The point I was trying to make is that accusations of being a WK need to be measured, if the evidence is thin it is really insulting to the individual and will have a negative impact on people posting their own experiences for fear of being called a WK. That said, we must of course all try to keep this forum clear of WK's where there is strong evidence.

I do think you owe Excalibur an apology.

As regards Emily's booty, alas she cancelled on me, she gave plenty of notice and I hope that she will rearrange soon..... it was to be the highlight of my punting week  :cry:

Ming  :hi:

So you think I should apologise for accusing him of being a WK without there being strong evidence, but you can see my point, but don't agree with it? That's your point?

Posters have been banned for much less. But always with good reason IMO, and that reason is that somebody made a report and admin made a decision.

If you think my behaviour was uncalled for and I'm some unhelpful asshole running around shouting WK without due course... Then maybe you should report me for that instead of jumping in to tell me what I should or shouldn't do (wow this seems familiar - posters telling people what they should do :rolleyes:)... And yeah, before you say it, I'm not trying to tell anybody how to post, just stating my opinion and my advice instead... FWIW... which may be very little worth. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink, as they say.

I'll apologise if and when I feel it is justified to do so. That's the way apologies work as far as I'm concerned. If you or anybody other poster doesn't like that perspective... Then well fuck you.

Sorry to hear about Emily cancelling on you... Can't say I'm surprised though... But good luck with rearranging it.

Ming

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Good lord BC but you are getting all precious, thought there was more to you than that.... :unknown:

I'm bowing out of this discussion.

Ming  :hi: