Amsterdam RLD punt... lame and humiliating

[jaydefo24]

I knew this wouldn't be great but bloody hell this was poor...

After walking round for an hour among throngs of tourists who are just there for the freak show I took the plunge with one who beckoned me in with her incredible ass and form body...

I chose her also because her entrance was up some stairs so slightly off the street... I can't spell or remember it but it's the busiest street with the Sex Palace and all that jazz.

Once inside she led me to her room which was quite large for RLD standards.

A polite where are you from and exchange of cash of 50Euros was done she told me to lie on the bed.

I wanted her to strip for me but she wasn't having it and left all her clothes on ( ok just the bra )...

Went to touch her breasts and she said 'no, only my ass'...

Ok then.

She started on with the Jonny and sucked me off for all of 30 seconds ... good techniques but already beckoning me to fuck her in mush position before I've had a chance to enjoy looking at her.

She kept her fingers down there so I couldn't thrust deep and just looked down so I couldn't see her face...

She made some lame fake noises... when I asked if we could do doggy she said ' that's extra 50 euros'. Damn.

She eventually took her hand away and I went for it as I knew it wasn't getting any better than this.

I sort of half came and she said 'ok, stop you've cum now !'

It was all of 5 minutes in.

She told me to take the condom off.

She got dressed and said 'thank you!'

Then I left, fully unsatusfied.

Oh well, whatever never mind !

[MrClive]

Ive had a few punts in Amsterdam that fit this description. But I have also had some amazing ones.

I think the crap ones are part and parcel of the dam experience and even necessary in order to find the good ones.

Now when I go I have an idea which girls I am looking for so I know I will at least have a couple of good punts. Sill take a gamble or two with an unknown though, as you did here!

I love the place and the odd crap punt is no where near enough to stop me returning.

[JamesFD]

Many of the women in windows on the main drag are well-known ripoff artists who know the majority of punters are tourists who won't be back. if you visit Amsterdam again you might like to spend some time looking at this forum:

External Link/Members Only

There are reviews of large numbers of girls & special warnings about the scammers.

[west12345]

Went to the Dam last month had a couple of rld punts, seems the girls have definitely hardened up since last visit couple years back, sure the prices used to be 50e/20 mins for a position AND ow but now its one or the other for your fifty, seems to be similar across the board.  Did this change recently?

[CallumTT]

It's crap when that happens.  I've had good and bad punts in AMS.  To increase your chances of a good punt here's suggestions I posted on an earlier thread:

I've punted there a few times and never felt ripped off, though they can be keen to cut the time short. 

I always ask them at the door before going in what the deal is.  As well as reduce the chance of them ripping you off, it also means you can see them up close, and it's amazing how many girls look not-quite-so-stunning when you see them much closer.  Standard is 50 Euro for suck AND fuck, apparently for 20 mins.  I also ask them there if they'll take their top off, as some don't if you don't ask them.  If I don't like the vibe or the girl, I will politely decline, and move on.  Never been a problem.  If you want this or a particular position, then I'd discuss that at the door.  I also aim for girls who look a bit more enthusiastic, rather than the 10s sitting on their phones looking miserable. 

[jaydefo24]

I'm not risking it again... wait til I'm back in the UK where it's much more interesting!

[Stalinator]

The same can be said of the Frankfurt walk ups.

You need to ask at the door for what you want and the price. In general they are all hustlers and unless you can pump and dump in 10 mins you will always feel ripped off. I am sure there are exceptions to the rule but I found their attitude to be quite cold.

[west12345]

It's crap when that happens.  I've had good and bad punts in AMS.  To increase your chances of a good punt here's suggestions I posted on an earlier thread:

They must have been hustling me when saying 50E for either...tbh for the novelty factor and openess of the RLD its still a good punting location imo.

[MJ.spritzen]

I was in RLD last month. Had a great punt with a Hungarian girl 50 euro, she kept her clothes on but got her tits out. I didnt mind because she was in school uniform and looked about 18. Feeling good about it i tried another the next day. A Spanish girl nice and slim with a tiny little ass. Got into the room, handed over the money. She's sucking me off on a plastic covered matress when she says "you want sex? 50 euro extra"...

Gutted.

Managed to haggle her down to 20 euros extra. But boy did i get my moneys worth. I'd took a blue pill and made sure i got my 20mins. Her poor cervix wont be the same again.

[Steve2]

They must have been hustling me when saying 50E for either...tbh for the novelty factor and openess of the RLD its still a good punting location imo.

It is not. It is a tourist trap for guys with more money than sense

It's OK for a few beers and a wander round BUT for sex there are so many better options

[Jerboa]

They must have been hustling me when saying 50E for either...tbh for the novelty factor and openess of the RLD its still a good punting location imo.

They were hustling you in Amsterdam really? 

[Azucar D Artagnan]

They must have been hustling me when saying 50E for either...tbh for the novelty factor and openess of the RLD its still a good punting location imo.

Not any longer a good punting location  But a good tourist destination with several windows worth gawking and fantasising about 

[west12345]

Not any longer a good punting location  But a good tourist destination with several windows worth gawking and fantasising about 

Yeah true, i seen the forum mentioned a few posts up and they discuss specific windows of good SP's so might be a way of reducing the risk of a complete random exp.  Still - last flights i got for only 60 kwid return so not a major expense getting there...hotels wise got a EasyHotel a bit further out for about 40 kwid aswell.

[joe diddley]

Reading this makes me appreciate Soho all the more where at the walkups you can find some very good girls at a reasonable price.

[Vkcs20]

That's the standard level of service in the rld i'm afraid. Good thing about rld is you get to window shop and see what you're buying!

[MJ.spritzen]

I've no qualms with the RLD. You gotta make sure she agrees for the full works at the window though for 50 euros. Otherwise you end up with what i had... a stunning Spanish 19yo sucking me off and trying to get me to pay an EXTRA 50 to fuck her.
Had some fine Hungarian and Nigerian pussy in RLD for 50. Im back there in Oct and plan to fuck till i bleed.

[jaydefo24]

I've no qualms with the RLD. You gotta make sure she agrees for the full works at the window though for 50 euros. Otherwise you end up with what i had... a stunning Spanish 19yo sucking me off and trying to get me to pay an EXTRA 50 to fuck her.
Had some fine Hungarian and Nigerian pussy in RLD for 50. Im back there in Oct and plan to fuck till i bleed.

Hahaha I hope not literally

[Jerboa]

I've no qualms with the RLD. You gotta make sure she agrees for the full works at the window though for 50 euros. Otherwise you end up with what i had... a stunning Spanish 19yo sucking me off and trying to get me to pay an EXTRA 50 to fuck her.
Had some fine Hungarian and Nigerian pussy in RLD for 50. Im back there in Oct and plan to fuck till i bleed.

You need a legally singed contract in triplicate specifying what services are expected. 

[cognito]

I did some research on ignatzmice before I went to Amsterdam. I avoided the main RLD and went to the Singel RLD late at night when the streets were empty. Before walking into the room I confirmed that she would take off all her clothes and that a blowjob and penetrative sex were on the menu. She was the most good looking girl I have ever had sex with. Boob fondling and sucking were off the menu unless I wanted to pay more but she did her job with enthusiasm and it was a very good punt indeed. The sex was slightly impersonal. A bit like having sex with a random civvy that you just met and were never going to see again but there was no surly attitude.  I would recommend going at night and negotiating clearly and openly about what is included before entering. In the daylight hours, I would have felt awkward walking up and negotiating in public view.

[Honestperv]

I was there last week and got ripped off twice. I did manage to find a good one as a birthday present for my friend though! What I did was talk to a few of them and ask where they are from. If they give you any attitude like "why is that important?" just walk away. Wish I had taken that care when choosing my own girls!

[satnav]

I was there not long ago some temptation in them windows but fucked them off due to couldnt be arsed wasting the money on shite punts went to park 118 but just my luck knocked on the door some arl one answered all the girls are busy she sais ahh fuck off though but it was a friday night I turned up at about half eleven and the place shut at midnight my own fault go earlier next time

[jaydefo24]

Just when I thought it couldn't get any worse I had an even worse experience. She took the 50... Sat me down and started wanking me off really badly. She said if I wanted anything else it would be 350Euros for BJ, 1300Euro for sex. 50Euro just to come in. When I questioned this ( in the nicest possible way ), she said 'not all girls cost the same here. Would you expect all the food in restaurants to cost the same?

Funny! So I just cut my losses and left, with a floppy boner 50Eurps down.

[CallumTT]

Just when I thought it couldn't get any worse I had an even worse experience. She took the 50... Sat me down and started wanking me off really badly. She said if I wanted anything else it would be 350Euros for BJ, 1300Euro for sex. 50Euro just to come in. When I questioned this ( in the nicest possible way ), she said 'not all girls cost the same here. Would you expect all the food in restaurants to cost the same?

Funny! So I just cut my losses and left, with a floppy boner 50Eurps down.

Phucking hell.   This in Ams RLD? 

[jaydefo24]

Yes sir!

[Honestperv]

I have had the exact same experience. They tell you it's 50 euros for blowjob and sex, then when you get in there you have to choose one or the other, unless you want to pay more money. But why would you pay more money to someone who just lied to you? And if you don't give them more money, they get the hump.

I have had girls basically blow me for 2 mins then tell me I had to leave. Others will purposely give you a crap experience. With one girl, who I had refused to give another  50 to, I KNEW she would stop the moment I began orgasming, so I purposely made no noise whatsoever. She somehow still knew and the moment I started climaxing she just stopped and got up immediately. Obviously that ruined it completely.

I have also had girls there refuse to do more than one sex position unless you give them more money, shit like that. And if you complain they will just make you leave.

It's bullshit. There are a few girls who are okay, but in my experience 3 out of 4 girls there will rip you off. I'm done with it.

Right now I'm in Barcelona seeing the independent girls, and if you know what to do, it's way better. Report coming soon...

[CallumTT]

Generally my experience has been better.  Definitely have a chat at the door.  I usually have 2 or 3 chats before deciding to go in.  And it's never been a problem and never had a negative response when I tell the girl that I'll give it a miss.  This way you can get the vibe of the girl.  If she's a hot bitch vibe, move on.  Agree everything at the door. 

Then I think I've always punted during the day.  This probably helps too. 

[adindas]

I've no qualms with the RLD. You gotta make sure she agrees for the full works at the window though for 50 euros. Otherwise you end up with what i had... a stunning Spanish 19yo sucking me off and trying to get me to pay an EXTRA 50 to fuck her.
Had some fine Hungarian and Nigerian pussy in RLD for 50. Im back there in Oct and plan to fuck till i bleed.

…  Good thing about rld is you get to window shop and see what you're buying!

If the intention to see what you are buying, imho it is better go to FKK in Germany.  There are reasonable number of FKK WGS are charging EUR50 for half hour in NRW area of Germany

 

I've no qualms with the RLD. You gotta make sure she agrees for the full works at the window though for 50 euros. Otherwise you end up with what i had... a stunning Spanish 19yo sucking me off and trying to get me to pay an EXTRA 50 to fuck her.
Had some fine Hungarian and Nigerian pussy in RLD for 50. Im back there in Oct and plan to fuck till i bleed.

Even they already agree they could easily deny what she said after the cash is changing hand. If you want visiting a country to find places solely for punting there a lot of better places where your EUR 50 could go much further. FKKs in Germany for instance especially in NRW areas, there are a lot of them.  If want to spend time doing your desk work you could even find a better prossie with your EUR50 for equivalent of 15-20 min in London.

But if you combine Business / Sightseeing with Punting and you can’t not wait because your cock is ruling your brain on watching the window girls then many people cannot resist it.

[blackbird_nevermore]

My first punting experience was in Amsterdam.

I used ignatzmice.com, and I did my research and printed a map of the area before I went.

My first punt was with this Czech girl named Lucia. By far, she was the most beautiful girl I've ever been with. Blonde hair, large, but perfect breasts with pink nipples. The service was good. I ended up spending 150 euros for 45 minutes with her.

The best punt of the trip was with this Polish girl named Agnieszka. She was good looking, but didn't look as good as Lucia. But, she was a tiger in bed.

I only had one bad punt, and it was with a Hungarian named Jasmine (Yasmine). She was a pretty, thin blonde. She wouldn't let me touch her breasts, I could lay on top of her and put my weight on her (I'm was like 185lbs at the visit), and the bed was just too low. When I did her doggy style from the bed, the height just wasn't right.

The only satisfaction I had from the punt was "my size" was a bit too much for her to handle. I'm only average, but she acted like I really hurt her.

The key to Amsterdam is ignatzmice.com, and ask all your questions before you enter. Negotiate first, before you go in.

[kal77uk]

Just to confirm if anyone had any doubts, Amsterdam is pants, the RLD is in decline-I would estimate 30% occupancy at 1400 hours yesterday-although the overall number of windows is a stat- it should be counted on if the place was occupied, most were not. 50 euros is the minimum it seems. The British stag hen do crowds that appear on weekends make the place rotten. Stay away.

[Honestperv]

Even they already agree they could easily deny what she said after the cash is changing hand.

That is exactly what they do. In my experience, they have no problem going back on what they agreed to, or adding some restriction out of nowhere. After all, what can you do? RLD is a rip-off and the sooner that becomes well-known, the better.

[DaveyB123]

i've been going to Amsterdam for a number of years and have rarely had a bad experience.

Infact this year i've been twice, had a total of 9 punts and only paid more than €50 twice which all included OW and sex in multiple positions.

Both times i've paid more than €50, was with the same girl (1 time on each trip) but it got me 30 mins and i'd usually decline but she was an absolute worldy and not that often you get the near perfect girl for you bouncing on your dick for some monopoly money.

That's not to say i've not had it tried on before on past trips, i've always atleast got OW for €50 and when they've tried upselling another €100 for sex, €50 for clothes off i just give a little laugh and decline. The positive punts byfar outweigh the negative for me and these negative punts are few and far between.

The best talent in De Wallen come out around 21:00/22:00 until around 02:00/03:00. If you go during the day, it's mostly fat old munters with the odd gem about. Singel is hit and miss for me, i found it dead at night 21:00+ with most windows empty, during the day it's mostly Romanian/Bulgarian looking older ladies.

Like others have said, you need to negotiate at the door before you go in. I always follow a conversation abit like below, if you still get ripped off then atleast you've done all you could not to:

How much?
€50
What do i get for €50?
Suck and fuck darling
So i can fuck you for €50?
Yes darling
You take clothes off and i can touch?
Yes darling
How long do i get?
20 mins

I've had my best punts with the best looking girls i've ever been with in Amsterdam.

Quality of the women in De Wallen at night is second to none, compared to anywhere i've ever visitied. Helped by the fact their fully on show, so if they arent top notch and not a niche then they arent gonna make much money.

[kal77uk]

De Wallen ---more like Die Wallen.

The RLD in Amsterdam is in decline, on 7/10/17 for the first time ever I saw more ladies on duty in Singel and De Pijp than the main RLD. Most of the De Wallen girls are there for tourist gawping. Drunken Brits dont help neither do Chinese selfie professionals. Time to call it a day on this place, it has lost its edge and fun. Some guys here say they pay 50Euros, a clear sign of the robbery that takes place.

[Yanusmc]

Was there at the weekend, first time I've ever been properly ripped off in punting.  Decided I would never go again and that the bteer value is defo in the UK after a little research on here!

[Honestperv]

Like others have said, you need to negotiate at the door before you go in. I always follow a conversation abit like below, if you still get ripped off then atleast you've done all you could not to:

How much?
€50
What do i get for €50?
Suck and fuck darling
So i can fuck you for €50?
Yes darling
You take clothes off and i can touch?
Yes darling
How long do i get?
20 mins

Either you're incredibly lucky or I'm incredibly unlucky, because that doesn't work for me. I've had that exact talk at the door, and it makes no difference. Once they've got your money they start adding restrictions (e.g one position only unless you pay more), or they just flat out contradict what they said on the door (e.g 'only oral for 50 euros, if you want sex it's another 50'). They have no problem lying to you.

[Werewolfofliverpool]

I've no qualms with the RLD. You gotta make sure she agrees for the full works at the window though for 50 euros. Otherwise you end up with what i had... a stunning Spanish 19yo sucking me off and trying to get me to pay an EXTRA 50 to fuck her.
Had some fine Hungarian and Nigerian pussy in RLD for 50. Im back there in Oct and plan to fuck till i bleed.

whats stopping them from agreeing at the door and when you get inside, still ripping you off..? 

[Azucar D Artagnan]

whats stopping them from agreeing at the door and when you get inside, still ripping you off..?

I think you have hit the nail on the head  This was my experience that once you have paid up front & services don't get carried out that have been agreed for in advance  , with a trixy scammer - they are not all trixy scammers , they call the security company and you get invited to leave the flat 

[horsa]

who has been and paid afterwards?

[Steve2]

who has been and paid afterwards?

That is never going to happen 

[Jerboa]

This is why Amsterdam windows is just not worth the time, unless you know of certain ladies who will perform well and not scam you, when a RLD like AMS and Hamburg's Reeperbahn get so well known by tourists and stag party crowd, there is little need for the hookers to offer good VFM services to keep customers returning, as many punters are one off tourists, who have no clue, will be like lamb to the slaughter, easy money.

[Clitheroelad]

I havent been for a while but the main RLD De Wallen was always a tourist trap.

I did sone research before I went last time and The Singel and De Pijp areas are much quieter with a better chance of negociating a good session. I had a cracking platinum haired Czech girl in the Singel who gave me one of the best prostate massages Ive ever had.

[Mifune]

As with all punting the more research you do, the better the chance of a good experience.

Picking a window girl based purely on her looks is obviously risky, just as it would be to pick an AW girl on the same basis without reading any reviews.

Many have already mentioned the excellent ignatzmice.com for research.  You can find ones to avoid and ones to seek out, depending on your taste.  It will give you their usual window location, days and times they tend to work and descriptions of what they look like and wear.

Go armed with the map of the windows (George's Map) and 4 or 5 options marked on there and don't get tempted by a worldie you know nothing about.

There are plenty of hot girls who will let you touch and suck tits, suck and fuck for €50.

[kal77uk]

As with all punting the more research you do, the better the chance of a good experience.

Picking a window girl based purely on her looks is obviously risky, just as it would be to pick an AW girl on the same basis without reading any reviews.

Many have already mentioned the excellent ignatzmice.com for research.  You can find ones to avoid and ones to seek out, depending on your taste.  It will give you their usual window location, days and times they tend to work and descriptions of what they look like and wear.

Go armed with the map of the windows (George's Map) and 4 or 5 options marked on there and don't get tempted by a worldie you know nothing about.

There are plenty of hot girls who will let you touch and suck tits, suck and fuck for €50.

Its 50 Euros for tourists...your getting robbed.

[Oaktree1001]

Was in the Dam last week, I always avoid RLD as its just rammed with groups of lairy loud tourists or weird oriental blokes taking multiple photos of the windows and everyone around - its now like a circus. Got a bit lost near Rikesmuseum and took left by mistake and ended up in de Pijp - came across a surprisingly tasty selection of girls in windows on a main street , cant remember the name but could look it up - first rate service by seriously fit girl who knew how to please, hard as nails I suspect but very friendly and eager to please. Italian and fit as fuck. 50 euro all in , 30 mins without any clock watching. 10 minute walk to Heinieken Brewery afterwards for a couple of beers to bring me back to earth. 

[Marmalade]

Amsterdam RLD is a bad theme park version of what it used. Even the swinger clubs are about lively as mountain biking in the city centre (posh though). Best thing is to spend an hour or so to say you’ve been there, then check into a cafe for coffee and hash cakes. Unlike prostitution, legalisation there has improved quality no end. Then while still floating in an amazing haze above the city, descend long enough to get on a train to somewhere with better cuntflap facilities.

[Marmalade]

De Pijp does sound more interesting.

The External Link/Members Only is a nice basic guide though overblown statements advertising prossies are hardly a recommendation: “Nowhere else on earth are the women so straightforwardly on display, sitting sparingly attired on stools behind windows.” Really? Where in the ‘world’ have you travelled to write that crap? How about next door to Belgium? Germany? Or parts of Brazil have it on a scale that makes Amsterdam look like a prim little backwater. Admittedly in Bangkok and Philippines they don’t usually have windows between you and the girls “sparingly attired on stools” because, unlike Amsterbloodydam, the weather doesn’t turn your balls into lumps of frozen Jell-O while you’re just having a look.

So in the main Amsterdam RLD, we don’t just pay for the shit service: we pay for the glass! 

[Marmalade]

Either you're incredibly lucky or I'm incredibly unlucky, because that doesn't work for me. I've had that exact talk at the door, and it makes no difference. Once they've got your money they start adding restrictions (e.g one position only unless you pay more), or they just flat out contradict what they said on the door (e.g 'only oral for 50 euros, if you want sex it's another 50'). They have no problem lying to you.

The prossiemice website mentioned above (which also suggest €50 tips might be effective  )does at least stress that every little detail of what you want must be agreed before handing over cash. On suck and fuck it claims:

Prior to the currency changeover to the euro, it was common for either a suck or a fuck to be offered seperately at 50 guilders each---for the minimum time of 10-15 mins. While still occasionally offered, it's more normal now for the both of them to be offered for € 50. Keep in mind that no official body or authority sets the prices on offer, prices simply reflect common practice among the girls. Prices may vary between girls, time of day, day of week and a lot of other things. There are no rules, but remember, it's always up to the lady!

Suck (pijpen) € 30,=
Fuck (neuken) € 30,=
Suck and fuck (pijpen en neuken) € 50,=

These will include all needed for about 15 minutes. If you want more time you can expect to pay € 50 extra for each additional 15 minutes, this doesn't apply to a longer session. Below is what you could expect to pay for a standard suck and fuck by time duration.

15 min € 50,=
30 min € 100,=
45 min € 125-150,=
60 min € 150-200,=

Here are a few extras and what the usual asking price may be:

Anal € 25, to € 45,= extra (very rare in the RLD)
BDSM € 100,= to € 175,= hr
Toys € 50 to € 75,= extra

It’s endemic to Hollanders to point out if you watch is one minute out. With some prossies, that it irrespective of whether their watch goes fifty percent faster than yours when timing your session.

Prossiemouse also has this ‘helpful advice’:

Do not be cheap. You're getting a deal as it is!

   

The south of the country by the way is much friendlier and relaxed. 

[Jerboa]

Any other Dutch city will have a better RLD than Amsterdam.

[Phaedrus]

The last time I went to Amsterdam, I skipped the RLD altogether and went to brothel type house instead and spent a lovely hour with a nice Spanish lady. Much better value for time and money.

[jaydefo24]

The last time I went to Amsterdam, I skipped the RLD altogether and went to brothel type house instead and spent a lovely hour with a nice Spanish lady. Much better value for time and money.

Which / where was this?

[Phaedrus]

Sorry I don’t remember. It was about two years ago. The point is that there are alternatives in Amsterdam to the RLD and probably ones that locals instead of tourists tend to use.