Make UKPunting trans-friendly

[Fasting]

On almost every transgender review on UKPunting there are a number of transphobic comments. They are useless and only discourage punters from sharing information on this site. There exist trans-specific forums which may be used, however they are over-moderated and over-fluffinated. You basically can't get useful information on trans WGs.

Consequently, the probability of a shit punt with a trans is much higher than with a 'genetic female’. Low-standards are due to the lack of an honest review system.

So this is just a plea:

A) Those who see transgender prostitutes - leave your reviews here on UKPunting.

B) Those who have no interest in trans - just ignore the trans reviews.


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PS: Personally not in the UK atm so can’t contribute to this site for the time being. I meant to write this a while back.

[OldAdmin]

Start reporting the posts and I'll look to see if any should be removed.

[Hydrant]

Excellent post. I see trans hookers every now and then but the aforementioned transphobic comments from one or two narrow-minded UKP members have put me off leaving reviews here. I've written a few on the review forum at hungangels.com (admin, let me know if that URL can be mentioned or not) but it's a ramshackle site with little organisation or discipline and a really poor search facility. Next time I see a chick with a dick, I'll spill the beans here.

[ickydicky]

please do.

[Nagilum]

Well OP you got it for the horses mouth.

Hate and intolerance has no place here.

[James999]

Whilst on the subject could the guys who go and see them please stop referring to blokes who wear dresses as SHE, it's a bloke (The cock is a clue) By all means go and fuck them but at least be honest about it.

Vivago for example reviews them but he's honest that it's a cock in a frock, I don't have a problem with his choice or anyone elses, it's just when  people try to twist the facts by calling the bloke they fucked her.

Just saying 

[G.Raff]

Why should this bother you so much?
I couldn't care less how they refer to him/her/it, if the review is not something that I go for, then I move on.
Simples.

[Anadin]

Why should this bother you so much?
I couldn't care less how they refer to him/her/it, if the review is not something that I go for, then I move on.
Simples.

Exactly.

[James999]

Why should this bother you so much?

Not sure about bothering so much, but I was minded to comment, in the same way you were, so does it bother you so much?

And it's wrong to read

"I wanked her erect cock then lifted her bollocks and fucked her in her arse"

[Anadin]

And it's wrong to read

"I wanked her erect cock then lifted her bollocks and fucked her in her arse"

Sounds fine if the lady in question is trans.  I mean would it sound Ok to say " I sucked his big tits"?

[James999]

If hes' got fake tits that would make sense 

[Noah Hope]

Some UKP members think "she" should be used,  to be trans-friendly. Other members think "he" is more accurate. What about a compromise,  in the interests of peace and harmony,  and using the gender-neutral pronoun, "they. "? It's not taking a great liberty with the English language, even though it is normally used for plurals,  you still might use it when you don't know the gender of the person you're referring to.

[James999]

Some UKP members think "she" should be used,  to be trans-friendly. Other members think "he" is more accurate. What about a compromise,  in the interests of peace and harmony,  and using the gender-neutral pronoun, "they. "? It's not taking a great liberty with the English language, even though it is normally used for plurals,  you still might use it when you don't know the gender of the person you're referring to.

It is also is gender neutral and works better

"I Fucked him up the arse"

"I fucked they up the arse"

"I fucked it up the arse"

Only two of the above work 

[Anadin]

If hes' got fake tits that would make sense 

They may be natural.

Some UKP members think "she" should be used,  to be trans-friendly. Other members think "he" is more accurate. What about a compromise,  in the interests of peace and harmony,  and using the gender-neutral pronoun, "they. "? It's not taking a great liberty with the English language, even though it is normally used for plurals,  you still might use it when you don't know the gender of the person you're referring to.

I think the only thing that makes sense it to leave it up the reviewer and everyone else should ignore it.

[James999]

They may be natural.

Still his tits then 

[Jimmyredcab]

Some UKP members think "she" should be used, to be trans-friendly.

This forum is not politically correct ------------- long may it remain that way.   

Negative comments are part and parcel of reviews ----------- long may it remain that way.   

[AnthG]

Some UKP members think "she" should be used

I think "She" should be used too.

Think of it this way. If a punter was to see a major Dominatrix. And she demanded she is called Mistress all the time.

And in his review instead of saying "she then flogged me". The punter wrote. And Mistress then flogged me.

Would people really be bothered? For those people who don't get into the dominatrix vibe it would look weird that they are in their review saying "mistress" this and that and the like. But so, it doesn't harm anyone and I have no intentions of ever seeing a dominatrix and I know dominatrix like to call themselves names so I just accept it.

To be honest I probably wouldn't even read the review.

[CatBBW]

If you're going to use "it" then reviews of all genders should refer to the SP as "it". It is an object, a thing, depersonal, non human.

Basically, he/his/him, she/her/hers or they/their are all way better than "it".

[cueball]

This forum is not politically correct ------------- long may it remain that way.   

Negative comments are part and parcel of reviews ----------- long may it remain that way.   

I think that sums it up quite well.

I think most of the lads that podge and review a ts have enough backbone to withstand any cracks about bloke-in-a-frock and the he/she terminology.

If I wanted to podge a ts then I'd not worry about terminology, I'd word it how I see fit and post the review.

[Jimmyredcab]

If you're going to use "it" then reviews of all genders should refer to the SP as "it". It is an object, a thing, depersonal, non human.

Basically, he/his/him, she/her/hers or they/their are all way better than "it".

If someone is born with a pair of bollocks then they are a man -------------- you don't refer to a man as "she".     

[CatBBW]

If someone is born with a pair of bollocks then they are a man -------------- you don't refer to a man as "she".     

Like I said - use he/she/they, just not "it". A man in a dress isn't an "it".

[fredpunter]

If the reviewer includes ts in the title of the review then anyone who doesnt care for such things doesnt waste time reading it. If you dont make it clear from the outset that its a bloke in a frock then  some folk dont like nasty shrprises and may react badly as a result. Consideration works both ways.

[James999]

Like I said - use he/she/they, just not "it". A man in a dress isn't an "it".

Some of the beasts on AW are Deffo "it's"

Why are you so worried anyway, are you a post op or something?

[G.Raff]

I think the only thing that makes sense it to leave it up the reviewer and everyone else should ignore it.

+1

It shouldn't bother anyone else

[Jimmyredcab]

Some of the beasts on AW are Deffo "it's"

Example ---------

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[Noah Hope]

It is also is gender neutral and works better

"I Fucked him up the arse"

"I fucked they up the arse"

"I fucked it up the arse"

Only two of the above work 

All three work.
The second one should be "them". It works though I'd agree if you were to say it's ambiguous,  it sounds like you're in a polyamorous situation.
The last one works too,  but really it's better for objects not people.  It'd normally be used if you were discussing sex dolls External Link/Members Only Using "it" for a person some people might argue is dehumanising. Having said that,  there's a trans lady with a youtube called Blaire White.  In one of her videos she says "sex is not inherantly dehumanising... though that can be fun. " So whatever works.

[tonibell99]

What seems by me to have been a reasonable request by the OP has turned into a discussion (or an argument) about what a TS should be called, (he/she/it etc).
Of course this was started by the forums resident troll.

I don't see it matters what a reviewer calls a TS, if you are not interested in punting with a TS or reading the review then just don't click on it.

I have no desire to punt with a TS myself but am likely to read the reviews, each to their own and good on them for doing what they enjoy. 

[G.Raff]

What seems by me to have been a reasonable request by the OP has turned into a discussion (or an argument) about what a TS should be called, (he/she/it etc).
Of course this was started by the forums resident troll.

Do you mean that most prolific reviewer?
 

[Type_O_Negative]

Whilst on the subject could the guys who go and see them please stop referring to blokes who wear dresses as SHE, it's a bloke (The cock is a clue) By all means go and fuck them but at least be honest about it.

Just saying 

Very true. When you drive a Porsche car ------- you drive a Porsche car, not Maserati.

[Jimmyredcab]

What seems by me to have been a reasonable request by the OP has turned into a discussion (or an argument) about what a TS should be called, (he/she/it etc).
Of course this was started by the forums resident troll.

 

[Loverat]

The OP makes a sensible plea for a more tolerant and welcoming attitude to those who wish to review TS escorts.
Admin sensibly requests that offending posts are reported.
As the OP says, one of the results of the attitude of a few is to discourage the posting of TS reviews.

I for one have been toying with the idea of a TS punt, but one reason I haven’t gone ahead is the lack of reviews on the one punting site I feel I can trust.

So please can James and his homo/transphobic acolytes perhaps consider putting the punter (whoever he may be) first and keep their opinions to themselves?

[Gspotter]

It seems to me this is a typical UKP storm in a teacup.
There are homophobes here who would run shrieking from the sight of a naked cock and want nothing to do sexually with males or TS/TV. These are the people who have recurring nightmares and break out into sweat wondering if the WG they saw was really a post-op TS. Then there is a small minority of people who do seek out such services.
The simplest solution would be for the Admin to create a few new categories for reviews. One could be TS/TV, another could be for couples or 3somes which one poster recently asked about. Since the number of reviews is likely to be small, there's no need to subdivide by region, just a generic UK thread would be enough (after all the whole of Europe or Asia is lumped into one).
This way, those who want these services can read about them and those who don't will not come across the reviews unless they're actively searching for them. I think the ones who worry about whether to call a TS he/she/it fall under the latter category so we'll be saved from these silly debates.

[Swansea lad]

Why not have a seperate section for it?

I think the majority of hetero guys see ts as men and not women.

[Loverat]

Why not have a seperate section for it?

I think the majority of hetero guys see ts as men and not women.

How do you keep the trolls out of a separate section.  Unless it is a separate board like off topic, from which people can be banned.

[Fasting]

Why not have a seperate section for it?

That is the case in other European countries, and seems to work well. Although reviews still come in at a lower rate, perhaps some punters are embarrassed.

[Fasting]

Whilst on the subject could the guys who go and see them please stop referring to blokes who wear dresses as SHE, it's a bloke (The cock is a clue) By all means go and fuck them but at least be honest about it.

It's polite to use the female pronoun. I suppose you can be rude and offensive if you want to be.

[Fasting]

Example ---------

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Of course some trans women just aren't convincing. What's your point. Some 'genetic' women are ugly.

You may also find many examples on UKPunting of punters who've fucked post-op TS prostitutes without realising their little secret. So clearly some transgender women are 'passable'. 

[Fasting]

This forum is not politically correct ------------- long may it remain that way.   

Negative comments are part and parcel of reviews ----------- long may it remain that way.   

There are negative comments, and then there are the same god-damn transphobic comments over and over and over again. It's just hateful.

Let's not have a gender politics debate every single time someone fucks a tranny OK? agreed? That was the point of my opening post.

[Jimmyredcab]

Of course some trans women just aren't convincing. What's your point.

My point is quite simple.   

There are some stunning trannies around -------------- I have been to Thailand 25+ times ----------- but some trannies can be described as a man in a dress, such as the example I gave.

Maybe you would be happier sticking to forums that specialise in trannies --------- Google ------- Hung Angels.

[Fasting]

Maybe you would be happier sticking to forums that specialise in trannies --------- Google ------- Hung Angels.

FFS! The point of my post was to bring the transgender reviews from hung angels to ukpunting.

And that is only possible if some posters here on UKP stop being arseholes. They don't make criticisms of the individual trans WG under review -- they make general, transphobic remarks (use the male pronoun, the reviewer is gay etc. etc. etc.)

[James999]

It's polite to use the female pronoun.

No its' not, what next shall we call the dog a cat not to offend it 

Fuck Blokes by all means, but don't dress it up and try and get others to pretend it's not a bloke just because you're not comfortable with your actions, Vivago is a positive example, he fucks them but doesn't dress it up, he calls it like it is.

Why is me pretending that you fucking a bloke isn't you fucking a bloke?

[James999]

I think the majority of hetero guys see ts as men and not women.

Of course they do, the attraction to Trannies is the Cock, otherwise they'd see a real female not a bloke in a dress 

[James999]

transphobic

So you're suggesting that if someone sees a bloke in a dress and knows it's a man in a dress but doesn't pretend that it's a woman that means he's "scared" of the man in a dress?

Seriously, stop making excuses and trying to reallign the world to justify your quirks, if you want to stick your cock up Berts arse that's cool, jsut don't pretend it's not Gay just because Berts put his wifes dress on 

[smiths]

Start reporting the posts and I'll look to see if any should be removed.

Indeed, posters can post on any thread they wish to to express their opinions as they see them within the rules you set, those that break the rules may have posts removed.

I couldn't care less if a TS works as a prostitute BUT they should be honest and say they are a pre or post-op in their advertising in my view, not doing so is well out of order and such prostitutes deserve to be named and shamed to warn others.

I personally only wish to punt with natural born women NOT men with a cock still like a pre-op, and not a post-op who to me and its me that is paying, was once a man. My money, my rules.

[Apu]

Would you shag your favourite WG if she had a cock but offered the same great service?   

I've always wondered would Shakira with a cock tempt me haha

 

[Fasting]

No its' not, what next shall we call the dog a cat not to offend it 

Fuck Blokes by all means, but don't dress it up and try and get others to pretend it's not a bloke just because you're not comfortable with your actions, Vivago is a positive example, he fucks them but doesn't dress it up, he calls it like it is.

Why is me pretending that you fucking a bloke isn't you fucking a bloke?

I'm bisexual, I do fuck blokes. Don't make assumptions about how "comfortable" I am with my actions.

I'm not saying one has to view transgender women as women. I'm saying shut-the-fuck-up with your general slander when someone reviews a tranny. It helps nobody.

[Fasting]

Of course they do, the attraction to Trannies is the Cock, otherwise they'd see a real female not a bloke in a dress 

Lot's of people like the mixture of feminine and masculine traits. Whether it suits your definition of straight or not -- who cares.

[Loverat]

I punt wgs of size 12 or less.  I don't punt wgs with big boobs.  I don't punt wgs over the age of 30.
Those are my preferences and I don't read reviews that are outside of those criteria.
I certainly do not criticise or comment on those punters whose interests lie outside my own.
I cannot imagine punting a 50 year old size 18 BBW with HH boobs, but there are those that seek them out. Its not my business.

So why should anyone make negative comments about those who wish to punt a TS?

The site rules clearly make a distinction between TS sex and gay sex. I quote:

Transsexuals / Shemales 
Allowed.

Male prostitution
General discussion allowed, but not reviews or requests for info or recommendations.

The above implies that Admin is aware of the distinction. Therefore those who wish to seek info and review TS escorts should be allowed to do so without being trolled and insulted.

[Fasting]

I punt wgs of size 12 or less.  I don't punt wgs with big boobs.  I don't punt wgs over the age of 30.
Those are my preferences and I don't read reviews that are outside of those criteria.
I certainly do not criticise or comment on those punters whose interests lie outside my own.
I cannot imagine punting a 50 year old size 18 BBW with HH boobs, but there are those that seek them out. Its not my business.

So why should anyone make negative comments about those who wish to punt a TS?

The site rules clearly make a distinction between TS sex and gay sex. I quote:

Transsexuals / Shemales 
Allowed.

Male prostitution
General discussion allowed, but not reviews or requests for info or recommendations.

The above implies that Admin is aware of the distinction. Therefore those who wish to seek info and review TS escorts should be allowed to do so without being trolled and insulted.

Exactly the correct attitude.

[James999]

Lot's of people like the mixture of feminine and masculine traits. Whether it suits your definition of straight or not -- who cares.

What do you mean my definition?

If a guy goes with a girl that's straight, if he goes with another guy that's Gay, no problem with what you want to do but don't expect to re write the dictionary to ease your mind.

And as for who cares, you clearly do as you're calling blokes "she"