ElizabethJanex Derby

[ElizabethJanex]

Reminded and noted though at no point have I been nasty or touting or certainly not attention seeking. At least I don’t think I have but yes understood xxxx

[Kev40ish]

Reminded and noted though at no point have I been nasty or touting or certainly not attention seeking. At least I don’t think I have but yes understood xxxx

I should have highlighted this:
Not just you as sometimes your just answering questions, but a reminder to other members too…

2 Service Providers
This site allows service providers to be members, but zero-tolerance for touting, flirting, attention-seeking and negative attitude towards punters. Service providers must respect the ethos of the site. This site is not a chat platform between clients and service providers, nor is it a support site for service providers.

[finn5555]

certainly not attention seeking

 

[Hongkongphooey]

Give the lass a break or at the very least the benefit of the doubt. She's a lone female voice in a male dominated forum.

[Natwest]

His normal modus operandi is to keep on until he gets the girl banned but I think he has met his match on this occasion.

[Hotdogboy88]

His normal modus operandi is to keep on until he gets the girl banned but I think he has met his match on this occasion.

I’d say more than his match. He looking foolish, but great entertainment. 

[NickyBobby]

Give the lass a break or at the very least the benefit of the doubt. She's a lone female voice in a male dominated forum.

Not really, there’s about a handful of SPs who regularly post on here.

[Ianernshaw]

Keeping me entertained as well, can’t wait to meet her in person and see how her spirit is in the bedroom, I’d say she’s got spunk, if not now, she’s gonna have 

[Hotdogboy88]

I think Finn has promoted this girl in a way  that puts don king to shame. He’s done a bang up job of raising her profile. 

Wonder what his cut is. 

[hunkybc]

This is getting very weird...

[finn5555]

Not knocking her at all she is clearly a decent pro$$ie going by her historical reports.

I’m just calling out bullshit where I see it also don’t forget this is a site for punters 

Of course If any of the snowflakes think I have overstepped the mark please feel free to use the report button 

[Natwest]

Not sure if I am a bit old at 70 to be a snowflake, maybe just someone with a daughter (no she is not on the game but does live in Clapham) who in the light of the headlines over the last couple of days feels uneasy at this kind of aggression towards a female whatever their profession. 

[Mutinyonthecounty]

Not sure if I am a bit old at 70 to be a snowflake, maybe just someone with a daughter (no she is not on the game but does live in Clapham) who in the light of the headlines over the last couple of days feels uneasy at this kind of aggression towards a female whatever their profession.

I agree pal. She has come on here and responded to the questions without getting all aggressive and confrontational, and she has done it in an articulate way.

[Hotdogboy88]

Yep. In my opinion there’s only one snowflake, typical response of someone who didn’t quite achieve what they set out to do, totally misjudged the land.

[Aji81]

I agree pal. She has come on here and responded to the questions without getting all aggressive and confrontational, and she has done it in an articulate way.

100% this. If anyone wonders why there aren’t a lot of SPs as members who comment on posts then just read this thread as to the reason why not.

[Mutinyonthecounty]

I will tell you what I find interesting about this whole discussion, it is quite revealing in terms of how some people view sex workers. What irritates me is whenever a newspaper or magazine does an article on sex work they nearly always go down the path of having a photo of a girl in high heels, short skirt leaning into a car window. It’s just lazy journalism.

As an experienced punter, I know that this industry attracts all kinds of girls from many different backgrounds, some have professional qualifications and some have academic qualifications - but a significant number of females choose to do this work for a whole raft of reasons, not least of all earning potential.

What I have found fascinating about this discussion though is that in one corner we have a service provider who, to be fair to her is conducting herself well - she’s responded to the posts without getting all aggressive and confrontational, and she is being respectful and articulate. In the other corner we have an experienced punter who is going into meltdown, stood in the middle of the road waving his fist - all because (it would appear) the service provider does not conform to his mould of what a sex worker should be - ie. poorly educated, desperate, coke addiction, inarticulate, illiterate, shelf stacking, etc, etc. To apply the concept that anyone with a degree would not choose to do this work - well, I think that is a really narrow and myopic view of the world and quite naive.

Furthermore, to have the discussion largely consumed by whether a service provider has or has not got a degree is slightly irrelevant and comical. When I was reading through this thread earlier on, I had to double check that I was not logged onto LinkedIn.

Having read through this thread, I am left confused as to who is lower on the food chain - sex workers or shelf stackers. I’m thinking of doing a bit of shelf stacking meself when I retire so I will need to look into this.

Anyway, none of my business I guess, but just thought it an interesting conversation.

[Owwhatanight]

Yes a very interesting conversation but 100% with motc.
WG,s have learned not to loose their cool on Ukp and this lady has handled herself very well.

[Natwest]

You might find this post from Head 1 of interest.

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=269745.msg2801337#msg2801337

[HoldMichaels]

What I have found fascinating about this discussion though is that in one corner we have a service provider who, to be fair to her is conducting herself well - she’s responded to the posts without getting all aggressive and confrontational, and she is being respectful and articulate. In the other corner we have an experienced punter who is going into meltdown, stood in the middle of the road waving his fist - all because (it would appear) the service provider does not conform to his mould of what a sex worker should be - ie. poorly educated, desperate, coke addiction, inarticulate, illiterate, shelf stacking, etc, etc. To apply the concept that anyone with a degree would not choose to do this work - well, I think that is a really narrow and myopic view of the world and quite naive.

This!
At the risk of sounding like a "white knight" or "touting an SP", if you actually met EJ you'd know this is how she is - intelligent, respectful and articulate... In the current climate, as another poster has already suggested, it feels kinda wrong that a 'Forum Helper' would display such open hostility, bordering on aggression towards an SP for something as trivial as 'retiring soon'.

Anyway, I know with my review count of 1 I'll be jumped on - there have been reasons for that, but I try to be helpful in other ways where I can... Hopefully this post won't get me banned, but tbf if it does, at least I went out on the right side of this discussion. 

[finn5555]

100% this. If anyone wonders why there aren’t a lot of SPs as members who comment on posts then just read this thread as to the reason why not.

You may not be aware that this forum isn’t about getting loads of SP’s on board.
Older now defunct site allowed that and it totally eroded the whole concept of what the forum is for.

[Mutinyonthecounty]

You might find this post from Head 1 of interest.

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=269745.msg2801337#msg2801337

That is very interesting indeed.

I’ve never quite understood why people get so agitated over the most innocent things and descend into meltdown, it’s like they have abandoned all control of the faculty’s. I see it all the time in my professional life and I’m like, let’s just take a step back and we will get there via another route. Confrontation very rarely works, it normally results in damage. Sometimes you have to have a ‘controlled explosion’, but that is normally last resort stuff. But I’m an old hippie from the acid house generation - so maybe that that’s what it is with me.

[Natwest]

That is very interesting indeed.

I’ve never quite understood why people get so agitated over the most innocent things and descend into meltdown, it’s like they have abandoned all control of the faculty’s. I see it all the time in my professional life and I’m like, let’s just take a step back and we will get there via another route. Confrontation very rarely works, it normally results in damage. Sometimes you have to have a ‘controlled explosion’, but that is normally last resort stuff. But I’m an old hippie from the acid house generation - so maybe that that’s what it is with me.

Having read your reviews when I first joined MOTC, I think you still visit that acid house occasionally! Totally agree with this and your last post.

[Aji81]

You may not be aware that this forum isn’t about getting loads of SP’s on board.
Older now defunct site allowed that and it totally eroded the whole concept of what the forum is for.

You hijacked this thread to engage in a slanging match against the SP during which you were derogatory and hostile. I understand this is a forum for punters but does that excuse your behaviour? Not the first time you’ve done it either going from the thread linked by Natwest. Sounds like you pick random reports to troll people on particularly if an SP has commented.

[gbyld87]

Having read through this thread, I am left confused as to who is lower on the food chain - sex workers or shelf stackers. I’m thinking of doing a bit of shelf stacking meself when I retire so I will need to look into this.

Pending the outcome of your investigation, is sex work a potential alternative? 

[finn5555]

You hijacked this thread to engage in a slanging match against the SP during which you were derogatory and hostile. I understand this is a forum for punters but does that excuse your behaviour? Not the first time you’ve done it either going from the thread linked by Natwest. Sounds like you pick random reports to troll people on particularly if an SP has commented.

Read back what I have posted  as for the previous post highlighted by NatWest that was a whole different kettle of fish  and I am not going to explain why as to time consuming

[Mutinyonthecounty]

Pending the outcome of your investigation, is sex work a potential alternative? 

Hi Pal - hope you well.

I have to say, when I re-read it, it kind of suggests that sex work is an option which is still a post retirement option. Haha.

Hey, I will tell you what though, professionally I can turn me hand to most things, so let’s not qualify it out just yet !!!

[Natwest]

I don't know what the definitive definition of trolling is but for me any post that is made to try and provoke a reaction whether it be on matters of retirement or whether an SP has or has not got a degree or some other trivial potential Achilles Heel add nothing to the discussion. The only things that matter are does she give good service and value for money

To quote Head 1 from the thread I highlighted

"Service providers tell a few porkies as do punters. It goes with the territory"

And his other wise words from the same post

"Its boring mate."

[Ianernshaw]

Totally agree with MOTB, great to see punters stand up against this, character assassination. I’m torn between a semi retired state, of wiping trolleys down with hand sanitizer and tissues at Aldi, or hand relief, with baby oil at the local parlour, technique and qualifications needed, seem identical, it’s just the solution that’s different 

[Mutinyonthecounty]

You may not be aware that this forum isn’t about getting loads of SP’s on board.
Older now defunct site allowed that and it totally eroded the whole concept of what the forum is for.

And neither is it here my friend to mull over, analyse and dissect the academic qualifications of Service Providers - but you have chosen, of your own free will, to take up this topic as your own little personal crusade on this thread, Have you not.

As I say, none of my business really, I just find it ironic and comical.

[HailWood]

Hi Pal - hope you well.

I have to say, when I re-read it, it kind of suggests that sex work is an option which is still a post retirement option. Haha.

Hey, I will tell you what though, professionally I can turn me hand to most things, so let’s not qualify it out just yet !!!

Sorry to say, Mutiny, but you just aren’t my type. Not for sex anyway but 

Hope there’s nothing in the rules re flirting between two punters 

[Kev40ish]

Sorry to say, Mutiny, but you just aren’t my type. Not for sex anyway but 

Hope there’s nothing in the rules re flirting between two punters 

As long as you don’t do a review 

18 Male prostitution
The general discussion is allowed, but no reviews.

[Natwest]

I am deeply affected by all the reporting of what happened to Sarah Everard after she was abducted. I feel haunted by it as every Father of a daughter must be. Yet hours after Couzens was jailed for a whole life term, I read remarks to a female on here such as

I have always wondered why the 10% who are actually educated then go down the route of selling their pussy to every Tom, Dick and Abdul

Stick to sucking cock which you are clearly adept at

I may have to pop along and throat fuck her in the spare room with all these certificates

Jesus, am I a snowflake or even worse a white knight because I feel disgusted. And this was to someone who had a positive review. There are thieves and scammers on here who deserve to be treated with complete disdain. But is every female who works as a "pro$$ie" (and yes I hate that term favoured by the dinosaurs on this site of which very few are left) deserving of this treatment because their profession is akin to shelf stackers and not worthy of respect? And I am well aware that all those posts are within the guidelines of what is allowed on the site just not within the bounds of common decency, particularly at this time.

[FScottFitzgerald]

I'm not sure if this is the most appropriate thread to add this, but — on the topic of Couzens — did any of you read (in the Daily Mail article) that he was conversing with an escort on AW called "escortbabygirl"? It seems the escort in question has changed her profile to "distribute content only", but it's genuinely frightening to me that men like Couzens are among us, using the same sites as us, seeing the same escorts as us etc. When I read the Daily Mail article, I did wonder if Couzens had frequented UKP too.

[Mutinyonthecounty]

Sorry to say, Mutiny, but you just aren’t my type. Not for sex anyway but 

Hope there’s nothing in the rules re flirting between two punters 

I’ll do you a discount ?

[NickyBobby]

I'm not sure if this is the most appropriate thread to add this, but — on the topic of Couzens — did any of you read (in the Daily Mail article) that he was conversing with an escort on AW called "escortbabygirl"? It seems the escort in question has changed her profile to "distribute content only", but it's genuinely frightening to me that men like Couzens are among us, using the same sites as us, seeing the same escorts as us etc. When I read the Daily Mail article, I did wonder if Couzens had frequented UKP too.

Yep, I imagine most punters are ones with wives who decide they don’t need to have sex any more, but I’m sure there’s a fair few that couldn’t get a relationship and punting is their only option.

[FScottFitzgerald]

I am deeply affected by all the reporting of what happened to Sarah Everard after she was abducted. I feel haunted by it as every Father of a daughter must be. Yet hours after Couzens was jailed for a whole life term, I read remarks to a female on here such as

I have always wondered why the 10% who are actually educated then go down the route of selling their pussy to every Tom, Dick and Abdul

Stick to sucking cock which you are clearly adept at

I may have to pop along and throat fuck her in the spare room with all these certificates

Jesus, am I a snowflake or even worse a white knight because I feel disgusted. And this was to someone who had a positive review. There are thieves and scammers on here who deserve to be treated with complete disdain. But is every female who works as a "pro$$ie" (and yes I hate that term favoured by the dinosaurs on this site of which very few are left) deserving of this treatment because their profession is akin to shelf stackers and not worthy of respect? And I am well aware that all those posts are within the guidelines of what is allowed on the site just not within the bounds of common decency, particularly at this time.

Natwest, check out the Daily Mail article on Couzens — it seems that another seven police officers are under investigation for the vile nature of messages they exchanged with Couzens. He was even colloquially referred to as "The Rapist" by his colleagues, FFS. These are police officers we're talking about. I guess the point I'm making is that there will always be a subset of society who think the above is OK — it's just "banter" to some people and I've overheard many "lads" talking similarly amongst themselves. As you mentioned, with the case of Sarah Everard and Sabina Nessa (and Gabby Petito in the States), I really think it's an especially frightening time to be a woman right now.

[Mutinyonthecounty]

I am deeply affected by all the reporting of what happened to Sarah Everard after she was abducted. I feel haunted by it as every Father of a daughter must be. Yet hours after Couzens was jailed for a whole life term, I read remarks to a female on here such as

I have always wondered why the 10% who are actually educated then go down the route of selling their pussy to every Tom, Dick and Abdul

Stick to sucking cock which you are clearly adept at

I may have to pop along and throat fuck her in the spare room with all these certificates

Jesus, am I a snowflake or even worse a white knight because I feel disgusted. And this was to someone who had a positive review. There are thieves and scammers on here who deserve to be treated with complete disdain. But is every female who works as a "pro$$ie" (and yes I hate that term favoured by the dinosaurs on this site of which very few are left) deserving of this treatment because their profession is akin to shelf stackers and not worthy of respect? And I am well aware that all those posts are within the guidelines of what is allowed on the site just not within the bounds of common decency, particularly at this time.

That is a very interesting point you raise - especially in highlighting the language and words that have been used by this member and comparing that to the recent tragic events.

I try to self moderate and sensor what I write on this forum - maybe not always successfully. However, this should not be the Wild West were anything goes. The words and language this member chooses to use are very interesting and very revealing in terms of how they view females in this industry - as faceless commodities to be ragged around, choked and throat fucked at his leisure all because he is paying, with the inference that they are brain dead cretins only fit for shelf stacking anyway.

I don’t buy into that approach and concept in any way, and it is cruel, low rent and shabby.

I think once you are locked into that way of thinking, it is a very dangerous trajectory to follow.

[shed]

Good review. Bet you never thought you would get so many responses

[HailWood]

I’ll do you a discount ?

For a “collaborative” review   

Where is VW when you need him 

[Mutinyonthecounty]

For a “collaborative” review   

Where is VW when you need him 

He would’ve loved this thread, bless him.

[Owwhatanight]

Raddy, Golfnut and VW old names from the past mentioned this week.
Ahhhhh those were the days of constant intelligent discussion in the East Midlands. 

[ElizabethJanex]

Or DieHard

[binbag]

I admire most of the women I've met as a punter. I admit I'm pretty selective (in large part thanks to this site) but most of those that I've seen seem smart and happy in their work. It can't be an easy job to carry off graciously but so many do just that and this lady, Elizabeth Jane, from her pictures, her profile and her posts on this thread, seems particularly elegant. I sincerely hope I have a chance to visit Derby before she retires and I'd like to thank her for her contribution to this thread!

[Ianernshaw]

I think I met some of those names from the past, at a couple of luiciebee’s parties, wish I’d of got to know them now, great banter