Do escorts earn too much?

[willie loman]

Benefits status is not information people often give out freely in life IMO. Out of all the people in my life I’ve only had one disclose that kind of info & you’re saying working girls you’re seeing that you barely know are freely disclosing clearly information which could be easily weaponised against them after a few meets!?

I’m not saying it’s never happened - I just can’t imagine it’s common.

As for location - I was simply leading on from your comments about being on the dole and rent paid for.
Why do you assume their rent is paid for and they are on the dole …? For all you know their home is bought, paid for and fully owned by them.

i tend to see girls multiple times, every week for a year or 2, what they divulge is up to them, the other day enroute to a meet i had to pick up a claims form, so she could get her dental work refunded, another girl changed the time of the meet , as she had to attend a back to work interview at the job centre, i accept that this sort of conversation doesnt happen with 200 £ an hour girls renting flats in canary wharf.

[IndigoRocks]

i tend to see girls multiple times, every week for a year or 2, what they divulge is up to them, the other day enroute to a meet i had to pick up a claims form, so she could get her dental work refunded, another girl changed the time of the meet , as she had to attend a back to work interview at the job centre, i accept that this sort of conversation doesnt happen with 200 £ an hour girls renting flats in canary wharf.

So out of 72,000 + sex workers in the UK you think two examples of women you’ve known for a couple of years are indicative of whats normal?

There are plenty of girls in this industry with not just one… but multiple degrees. There are plenty which have had excellent careers but are on a career break due to family and relationship issues etc … I’ve met solicitors, doctors, nurses, pharmacists and accountants… plus a variety of women from other occupations and that’s not even to mention the abundance of students who do this to help fund their education (myself included)…

Yes there are also some women who live on council estates … no it’s not indicative of the ‘average working girl’ … not that I think there’s anything wrong with living on a council estate either - they aren’t less than just because life dealt them a different hand. But even if you’ve given them a lift somewhere it’s unlikely you know their personal circumstances in depth & if they have disclosed that information to you it seems they made a mistake in trusting you with it from the way you’re speaking about them on this thread tbh.

[IndigoRocks]

Sadly I feel that you’re wasting your breath trying to educate this fool. He reeks of superiority.
Ingrained bullshit is oozing from his pores. Even if he thought you might be right, he won’t like being told it by a woman, much less a sex worker. Yet another example of such strange behaviour from a man who pays for sex.

Unfortunately I think you’re correct SE. I’ll get back in the kitchen where I belong. 

[daviemac]

It never ceases to amaze me the number of misogynistic tossers who post on threads like this, who would think we're all here for the same reason, to pay for sex. Why is it so many resent the fact.   
 

[PilotMan]

Sadly I feel that you’re wasting your breath trying to educate this fool. He reeks of superiority.
Ingrained bullshit is oozing from his pores. Even if he thought you might be right, he won’t like being told it by a woman, much less a sex worker. Yet another example of such strange behaviour from a man who pays for sex.

+1

Much less be told he's wrong by a benefits claiming prossie  who gets free dental work and council housing.

Is it not your moral duty to advise the DSS if you are in possession of knowledge that someone claiming benefits, is working and not declaring their income.

Unless of course you are a tax dodging freeloader yourself.

[PilotMan]

is  english your first language?

No, Cockney 

BTW English has a Capital E - jus sayin

[IndigoRocks]

+1

Much less be told he's wrong by a benefits claiming prossie  who gets free dental work and council housing.

    

[willie loman]

So out of 72,000 + sex workers in the UK you think two examples of women you’ve known for a couple of years are indicative of whats normal?

There are plenty of girls in this industry with not just one… but multiple degrees. There are plenty which have had excellent careers but are on a career break due to family and relationship issues etc … I’ve met solicitors, doctors, nurses, pharmacists and accountants… plus a variety of women from other occupations and that’s not even to mention the abundance of students who do this to help fund their education (myself included)…

Yes there are also some women who live on council estates … no it’s not indicative of the ‘average working girl’ … not that I think there’s anything wrong with living on a council estate either - they aren’t less than just because life dealt them a different hand. But even if you’ve given them a lift somewhere it’s unlikely you know their personal circumstances in depth & if they have disclosed that information to you it seems they made a mistake in trusting you with it from the way you’re speaking about them on this thread tbh.

the girls i mention are off grid, not on aw  or in parlours, and nothing i have said would lead to them being outed.

[versace]

Unfortunately I think you’re correct SE. I’ll get back in the kitchen where I belong. 

And cook me a dinner while you’re at it 

[mrfishyfoo]

So out of 72,000 + sex workers in the UK you think two examples of women you’ve known for a couple of years are indicative of whats normal?

There are plenty of girls in this industry with not just one… but multiple degrees. There are plenty which have had excellent careers but are on a career break due to family and relationship issues etc … I’ve met solicitors, doctors, nurses, pharmacists and accountants… plus a variety of women from other occupations and that’s not even to mention the abundance of students who do this to help fund their education (myself included)…

Yes there are also some women who live on council estates … no it’s not indicative of the ‘average working girl’ … not that I think there’s anything wrong with living on a council estate either - they aren’t less than just because life dealt them a different hand. But even if you’ve given them a lift somewhere it’s unlikely you know their personal circumstances in depth & if they have disclosed that information to you it seems they made a mistake in trusting you with it from the way you’re speaking about them on this thread tbh.

Me too and it cost me a fucking fortune.

Knowing what I know now I should of stuck to paid sex as it's cheaper. 

I'll get my coat now. 

[sirloverman]

Don't worry, you'll soon get the feel of the place.

Stating that a particular prossie, or prossies in general should increase their prices, is frowned upon here - even if it is true!! So you're likely to get flamed, fireproof underpants are a good look  .

Sharing you hotlist doesn't help, sharing your experiences by way of a review is the way to go. As you are a new member you can review girls that you've seen in the past 12 months.

There's a guide to writing reviews here - External Link/Members Only or you can copy the format of others as long as you have the key info.

It's pretty easy to do a review, just consider the following;

Who did you see, What did you / they do (services), Where did you see them, When (approximately), Why did you give them the rating, How much did you pay for How long + any extras.

Thanks

[sirloverman]

If you made your post within the context of London perhaps you would not have faced backlash as that price level is more common there. I see where you are coming in regards to no sick pay or pension and one could try to justify the price point to include that, but your post makes it look like you are not on the punters side at all lol.

What I learned from the reaction is that I need to not just go along with just any price a WG sets.

[versace]

What I learned from the reaction is that I need to not just go along with just any price a WG sets.

No, what you need to do is post reviews, no one cares about your hotlist etc. just go and get your willy wet and then report it back here. Simples!

[JustaPunter]

i tend to see girls multiple times, every week for a year or 2, what they divulge is up to them, the other day enroute to a meet i had to pick up a claims form, so she could get her dental work refunded, another girl changed the time of the meet , as she had to attend a back to work interview at the job centre, i accept that this sort of conversation doesnt happen with 200 £ an hour girls renting flats in canary wharf.

Not being funny but this seems a little too surreal to be factual

[big-al93]

What I learned from the reaction is that I need to not just go along with just any price a WG sets.

No, the WG sets her rate at whatever works for her. What we need to do, is consider if that rate appears to be good (or high) for the area, considering if there are any extras to be added to the base rate. Make a booking and then come back here and write a review, letting us know if you felt it was good value, or overpriced given the service that you received. Personally I would never try to tell an SP that her rates were too high, but have refused at the enquiry stage because with extras added on it was too much. But I don't really like seeing anyone who charges extra for things like DFK and OWO.

[sirloverman]

No, the WG sets her rate at whatever works for her. What we need to do, is consider if that rate appears to be good (or high) for the area, considering if there are any extras to be added to the base rate. Make a booking and then come back here and write a review, letting us know if you felt it was good value, or overpriced given the service that you received. Personally I would never try to tell an SP that her rates were too high, but have refused at the enquiry stage because with extras added on it was too much. But I don't really like seeing anyone who charges extra for things like DFK and OWO.

I didn't mean haggle. I meant if i see a most of the wg's on AW charging 250 per hour, instead of just booking one. I''l wait until I find another wg I like that charges less.

[sensualencounter]

i tend to see girls multiple times, every week for a year or 2, what they divulge is up to them, the other day enroute to a meet i had to pick up a claims form, so she could get her dental work refunded, another girl changed the time of the meet , as she had to attend a back to work interview at the job centre, i accept that this sort of conversation doesnt happen with 200 £ an hour girls renting flats in canary wharf.

What a load of bollocks. But maybe, just maybe, if you’re telling the truth then perhaps you might be punting with the wrong type of escort? If you’re that bothered about them all being tax dodgers then why are you still punting them. AND helping them to commit fraud? Very strange behaviour. Seems like you have double standards. The classic sign of a misogynist.

[sensualencounter]

Unfortunately I think you’re correct SE. I’ll get back in the kitchen where I belong. 

I’m surprised you can even type and speeeelll being a thick woman and all that. And how have you got the time to be on here and scam all those benefits? You “Modern Women” with all your airs and graces. You really should know your place. 

[Colston36]

I’m surprised you can even type and speeeelll being a thick woman and all that. And how have you got the time to be on here and scam all those benefits? You “Modern Women” with all your airs and graces. You really should know your place. 

Why be pleasant when you can be thumpingly obnoxious?

[jamiekinkxxx]

Why be pleasant when you can be thumpingly obnoxious?

I think he may have trying to be sarcastic in response to the main protagonist. Maybe a  would have been better than 

Or maybe I have just lost the thread?

Anyhow PEACE and LOVE to everyone as this thread is getting feisty! 

[akauya]

Putting aside some guys' genuine concerns about financing their next shag, there are some other guys who just hate having to pay for it.

...and for some men it's this:

"shaming women."

Combine the two and you have your answer.

And right on cue….. here’s Willie Loman with another dose of crap.

Indeed. Poor fellow, just proved my point 

[Doc Holliday]

I’ve met solicitors, doctors, nurses, pharmacists

Fully qualified? With the undoubted exception of nurses I suggest that is extremely uncommon. They all run the risk of severely damaging their professional status if found out, not to mention, for solicitors especially, finding themselves in a breach of the law. Prostitution is legal yes, but most of everything else associated with it is not.

That aside you are, as you know, talking about one small part of the large spectrum of sex work with an extreme example to make a point. It is impossible to arrive at a definition of an average sex worker yet these threads attempt to do so based on personal experience of where within that spectrum they mostly engage.

To be fair to Willie (and I rarely am) I have no reason to doubt his story, because by his own admission he frequents almost exclusively the Sauna's and in fact almost resides there on a weekly basis, so he will be well known and people will confide in him. The workers in the sauna's will likely be mostly from the social background he describes. There won't be many Solicitors and Doctors 'on a break' working there. But once again he bases his input on how he engages .. although to be fair yet again he does to some extent acknowledge this.

I do not know why people need to be so unpleasant when discussing what is a highly complex subject.

[IndigoRocks]

Fully qualified? With the undoubted exception of nurses I suggest that is extremely uncommon. They all run the risk of severely damaging their professional status if found out, not to mention, for solicitors especially, finding themselves in a breach of the law. Prostitution is legal yes, but most of everything else associated with it is not.

I’m sorry Doc but I totally disagree with you on this one

I’ve met an abundance of women working both currently and ex employees of health care (won’t really surprise people with how broken the system is).

I didn’t say currently working solicitors - but there’s a few notable ones on AW that not going to Doxx on here. Of course they wouldn’t be doing it at the same time and it’s unlikely they plan to go back to that career for their own personal reasons - hence why they do this.
As for accountants and the rest - these have often been foreign girls who’ve struggled to translate their qualifications to the UK economy & have just found sex work an easier way of life in some ways.

As for the rest - I know it’s easier to believe sex workers (and women in general for some) - have the IQ of a peanut … but simply for some this is a convenient and well paid career break for them whilst they are dealing with the fallout from a relationship break down and young family or the other millions of circumstances that can affect us in life.

I myself had a pretty good career before I started this & I plan to resume a career again soon. Yes I work in parlours - yes I’ve met very well educated girls in parlours … I’ve also met some that haven’t had the privilege of higher education.

I agree though - I don’t think the concept of an average working girl probably exists anymore, because there’s such a diverse number of women from various economic and cultural backgrounds.

[PilotMan]

I do not know why people need to be so unpleasant when discussing what is a highly complex subject.

You're right, the subject is highly complex and making a blasé broad statement like "a fair few" without any context is wrong IMHO.

After further comments by the OP, it sounds as though he should have prefixed his statement with "I know a fair few".

By his own admission he appears to be knowingly assisting benefit fraudsters. Not just the odd occasion, but repeatedly, as he says he knows this is true (they are claiming benefits) because he sees girls multiple times per week for a year or two.

He is seeing girls frequently and repeatedly over a long period of time,  who he knows are defrauding the benefits system. With the added assertion that this line of work is a cottage industry, and that's therefore somehow acceptable.

Most of us honest, tax paying citizens find that behaviour unacceptable.

Does that explain why?

[southcoastpunter]

I do not know why people need to be so unpleasant when discussing what is a highly complex subject.

that is true of practically all threads on here. We should be able to find a way of saying things where we disagree without being disrespectful or in some cases down right rude. But having said that some guys almost set themselves up by stating something as fact when actually it is their opinion (and not fact) or making sweeping generalised statements like "all escorts are....."


edit - hadn't seen Pilotman's comment when i wrote this - and agree to a large extent with him!

[Doc Holliday]

I’m sorry Doc but I totally disagree with you on this one

I’ve met an abundance of women working both currently and ex employees of health care

That wasn't what I said though

As for the rest - I know it’s easier to believe sex workers (and women in general for some) - have the IQ of a peanut

That wasn't what I said either. I'm not sure many others have said that? On that note there is a difference between IQ level and education/qualifications.

[jamiekinkxxx]

By his own admission he appears to be knowingly assisting benefit fraudsters. Not just the odd occasion, but repeatedly, as he says he knows this is true (they are claiming benefits) because he sees girls multiple times per week for a year or two.

He is seeing girls frequently and repeatedly over a long period of time,  who he knows are defrauding the benefits system. With the added assertion that this line of work is a cottage industry, and that's therefore somehow acceptable.

Most of us honest, tax paying citizens find that behaviour unacceptable.

...and by calling this out, if HMRC or other relevant Govt. agencies read this forum, it would not be too hard to narrow down the establishments he frequents and therefore girls that work there to undertake some 'investigations' on benefit and/or tax fraud.

[Doc Holliday]

Does that explain why?

Why people have to be unpleasant? Not really no. I have historically had confrontations and quite strong disagreements with Willie but it has remained civilised.

With regard to reporting benefit fraud, can I pose the hypothetical situation where you next see one of your favourite regulars, she inadvertently discloses she is in receipt of a state benefit. Would you report her?

[Vice Admiral]

It is impossible to arrive at a definition of an average sex worker yet these threads attempt to do so based on personal experience of where within that spectrum they mostly engage.

Quite so.

A mistake that most of us make now and then, in one context or another, is to suppose that our own "life-samples" (which may be quite extensive) represent objective and definitive truth rather than, as Donald Trump or the Duchess of Sussex might put it, "our truth".

For example, every girl in Hookersville or Sugar Babe City whom I have known well enough to know about their "lifestyle" has been a user of either cannabis or cocaine or both.  No exceptions.  Not one.  (This has been discussed in the past on another thread.)  But perhaps my sample is in some way skewed?  Either way, it wouldn't be sensible for me to assume that this sample delivers a universal truth, any more than it would be wise to assume that my knowledge of girls' finances represents definitivity – although I would mention in passing that no girl I have known reasonably well has ever saved any of her "sex income", however extensive it may be, or put it towards a long-term plan for an improved life.

But that is my sample and "my truth".  I find it persuasive.  Others may not.

[jamiekinkxxx]

although I would mention in passing that no girl I have known reasonably well has ever saved any of her "sex income", however extensive it may be, or put it towards a long-term plan for an improved life.

That is alas the tragedy that this work 'can' in some circumstances allow a WG the opportunity to use this work to 'better' themselves financially but 'some / many' don't (or can't for lots of different reasons) grasp that opportunity by both hands.

[southcoastpunter]

Quite so.

A mistake that most of us make now and then, in one context or another, is to suppose that our own "life-samples" (which may be quite extensive) represent objective and definitive truth rather than, as Donald Trump or the Duchess of Sussex might put it, "our truth".

For example, every girl in Hookersville or Sugar Babe City whom I have known well enough to know about their "lifestyle" has been a user of either or both.  No exceptions.  Not one. (This has been discussed in the past on another thread.)  But perhaps my sample is in some way skewed?  Either way, it wouldn't be sensible for me to assume that this sample delivers a universal truth, any more than it would be wise to assume that my knowledge of girls' finances represents definitivity – although I would mention in passing that no girl I have known reasonably well has ever saved any of her "sex income", however extensive it may be, or put it towards a long-term plan for an improved life.

But that is my sample and "my truth".  I find it persuasive.  Others may not.

that is a good example of something being said that could be taken in different ways. do you mean that every one has tried cannabis or cocaine at some stage in their life or do you mean that they are current users and if so, regular users or just occastional? I think its probably fair to say that most people under a certain age (30 ish?) have tried cannabis at some stage in their life and maybe a fair number also tried cocaine at some stage.

If you mean they were all current and regular users, maybe that says something about the type you go for as its not my experience!

[petermisc]

Quite so.

A mistake that most of us make now and then, in one context or another, is to suppose that our own "life-samples" (which may be quite extensive) represent objective and definitive truth rather than, as Donald Trump or the Duchess of Sussex might put it, "our truth".

For example, every girl in Hookersville or Sugar Babe City whom I have known well enough to know about their "lifestyle" has been a user of either cannabis or cocaine or both.  No exceptions.  Not one.  (This has been discussed in the past on another thread.)  But perhaps my sample is in some way skewed?  Either way, it wouldn't be sensible for me to assume that this sample delivers a universal truth, any more than it would be wise to assume that my knowledge of girls' finances represents definitivity – although I would mention in passing that no girl I have known reasonably well has ever saved any of her "sex income", however extensive it may be, or put it towards a long-term plan for an improved life.

But that is my sample and "my truth".  I find it persuasive.  Others may not.

I have known many WGs who I could confidently say have taken drugs at some stage.  Equally, I have known some well enough to know they were horrified by the thought of taking drugs (usually because they had seen the effect on their peers).  Likewise I have known many WGs who have left the business no better off than they started.  Equally, I know several who have left with a nice property under their belt, and in a couple of cases, have invested in several properties.

What I find odd is that all the WGs you have ever known, you think fit in the category of drug-taking losers.  As you say, is it because your sample is skewed, or your thinking is skewed?

[whiskeygogo]

Benefits status is not information people often give out freely in life IMO. Out of all the people in my life I’ve only had one disclose that kind of info & you’re saying working girls you’re seeing that you barely know are freely disclosing clearly information which could be easily weaponised against them after a few meets!?

I’m not saying it’s never happened - I just can’t imagine it’s common.

In an awful unreviewed meet I had (profile now gone), where I had never met them before, they had been drinking and bragged they were doing it and wanted to check if the bank would pick up on the additional cash coming in, due to a previous job I had. I did think about reporting them, but decided I didn't want to be a snitch, it would also be hypocritical as I also lived many years ago with someone claiming and saying they lived alone- something I regret now though.

[PilotMan]

For example, every girl in Hookersville or Sugar Babe City whom I have known well enough to know about their "lifestyle" has been a user of either cannabis or cocaine or both.  No exceptions.  Not one.  (This has been discussed in the past on another thread.) But perhaps my sample is in some way skewed?  Either way, it wouldn't be sensible for me to assume that this sample delivers a universal truth, any more than it would be wise to assume that my knowledge of girls' finances represents definitivity – although I would mention in passing that no girl I have known reasonably well has ever saved any of her "sex income", however extensive it may be, or put it towards a long-term plan for an improved life.

But that is my sample and "my truth".  I find it persuasive.  Others may not.

I think your sample says more about you and the types / frequency of girls that you see, than it does about working girls in general.

I've known a few girls who treat their work like a business with an end goal or defined plan, investing their money in to businesses and property. Again, I can only put your skewed sample down to the types of girls that you are seeing.

[PilotMan]

Why people have to be unpleasant? Not really no. I have historically had confrontations and quite strong disagreements with Willie but it has remained civilised.

With regard to reporting benefit fraud, can I pose the hypothetical situation where you next see one of your favourite regulars, she inadvertently discloses she is in receipt of a state benefit. Would you report her?

Yes.

Benefits cheats and tax fraud affects us all, it's not a victimless crime.


It's money that would otherwise go to improving the lives of all us that live in the community, hospital and public services etc etc.

[RedKettle]

You're right, the subject is highly complex and making a blasé broad statement like "a fair few" without any context is wrong IMHO.

After further comments by the OP, it sounds as though he should have prefixed his statement with "I know a fair few".

By his own admission he appears to be knowingly assisting benefit fraudsters. Not just the odd occasion, but repeatedly, as he says he knows this is true (they are claiming benefits) because he sees girls multiple times per week for a year or two.

He is seeing girls frequently and repeatedly over a long period of time,  who he knows are defrauding the benefits system. With the added assertion that this line of work is a cottage industry, and that's therefore somehow acceptable.

Most of us honest, tax paying citizens find that behaviour unacceptable.

Does that explain why?

You are making an assumption that they are committing fraud. Many benefits can be claimed on low income, you do not know how much the particular WG is earning.

[Doc Holliday]

Yes.

Benefits cheats and tax fraud affects us all, it's not a victimless crime.


It's money that would otherwise go to improving the lives of all us that live in the community, hospital and public services etc etc.

Apologies it was a trick question  I said she was receiving a state benefit. You would not know from that alone and without much more detail of her personal circumstances, as to whether it may be fraudulent.


Edit RK has beaten me to it 

[RedKettle]

Edit RK has beaten me to it 

First time for everything 

[sensualencounter]

Why be pleasant when you can be thumpingly obnoxious?

It was sarcasm. I’m surprised you didn’t pick up on that from my previous posts defending escorts. But you’re forgiven, your debauched life has probably taken its toll on the old grey matter 

[sensualencounter]

Why the ridiculous analysis now of how escorts spend or save their money? I know plenty of city boys who spunked a fortune and have nothing to show for it except a raging coke habit and a chip on their shoulder, plenty of builders who had good businesses and earned a lot of money and now have nothing. Pilots, company directors, footballers, the list is endless.

As for paying taxes, then ditto

As for drug taking, ditto

And yet there is a vociferous number making an example of of escorts. It seems rather difficult for many to understand that escorts are human beings, just like the rest of us.

I’m pretty sure us as punters would take umbrage if we’re all described as dirty old men, in grubby flasher macs, greasy lank hair, shifty looking sex pests. Sure there are some punters like that but not all of us.

[alabama1]

Why the ridiculous analysis now of how escorts spend or save their money? I know plenty of city boys who spunked a fortune and have nothing to show for it except a raging coke habit and a chip on their shoulder, plenty of builders who had good businesses and earned a lot of money and now have nothing. Pilots, company directors, footballers, the list is endless.

As for paying taxes, then ditto

As for drug taking, ditto

And yet there is a vociferous number making an example of of escorts. It seems rather difficult for many to understand that escorts are human beings, just like the rest of us.

I’m pretty sure us as punters would take umbrage if we’re all described as dirty old men, in grubby flasher macs, greasy lank hair, shifty looking sex pests. Sure there are some punters like that but not all of us.

Yeah right 

[PilotMan]

Apologies it was a trick question  I said she was receiving a state benefit. You would not know from that alone and without much more detail of her personal circumstances, as to whether it may be fraudulent.


Edit RK has beaten me to it 

In the context of the original statement by Willie Loman - he said "dole" (Now known as Job Seekers Allowance). There is a clear inference by WL that the SP is working and claiming money she isn't entitled to.

Let's keep it real and not get in to silly semantics, it doesn't make you look smart, just a smart arse.

[sensualencounter]

Yeah right 

Another useful comment from you 

[Doc Holliday]

Let's keep it real and not get in to silly semantics, it doesn't make you look smart, just a smart arse.

Apologies I shouldn't have set you up with a trick question. It's not silly semantics though, you need to be very sure of your facts before reporting someone to the monstrous organisation known as DWP.

Oh and fuck knows what Willie meant by dole 

[willie loman]

benefits fraud is a complex subject, that belongs on off topic, i neither said that i approved or disapproved , was merely reporting what can come as no surprise that many part time sex workers are on benefits, and have their rent paid, which doesnt mean they are council tenants, many private landlords accept people on benefits, and council tenants often live in expensive developments, as modern planning permission demands that some units are available for social housing, the average council has a remakably disparate housing portfolio. while the gov vows to crackdown on fraud, it also knows that a fair part of the british economy requires casual cash in hand staff, to function, it is not black and white.

[versace]

benefits fraud is a complex subject, that belongs on off topic, i neither said that i approved or disapproved , was merely reporting what can come as no surprise that many part time sex workers are on benefits, and have their rent paid, which doesnt mean they are council tenants, many private landlords accept people on benefits, and council tenants often live in expensive developments, as modern planning permission demands that some units are available for social housing, the average council has a remakably disparate housing portfolio. while the gov vows to crackdown on fraud, it also knows that a fair part of the british economy requires casual cash in hand staff, to function, it is not black and white.

Is English your first language?

[willie loman]

...and by calling this out, if HMRC or other relevant Govt. agencies read this forum, it would not be too hard to narrow down the establishments he frequents and therefore girls that work there to undertake some 'investigations' on benefit and/or tax fraud.

if you read my post, i make clear that these girls are off grid, not on aw etc or in parlours, plenty of visits to saunas by official bodies checking on girls having the right to work, right to be here etc, unlike the girls on aw who are more or less unpoliced.

[Bat]

Is English your first language?

Brilliant!     

[RedKettle]

In the context of the original statement by Willie Loman - he said "dole" (Now known as Job Seekers Allowance). There is a clear inference by WL that the SP is working and claiming money she isn't entitled to.

Let's keep it real and not get in to silly semantics, it doesn't make you look smart, just a smart arse.

"Dole" now would be universal credit which is designed so that people on low income can still get it - to ease the path off benefits.