how much does an average agency escort in london make p/m?

[Payyourwaymate]

Are you denying him?

  that's a good one I'll give you that.

[SamOmar]

So you reckon long term they can do this then without burning out or illness? Can maintain this for months on end? I am not talking about having 1 super month of 15K. I'm talking consistent income. That is not realistic, that's a couple SP that you know. I'm talking the general population of AW girls and agency girls on average, not the exception.

I'm not sure what you have against a WGs earing potential.

It is quite common for a London agency escort to earn £15,000. I have known many who rent for £4,000 and her earnings were approx 12000 in a quiet month and as much as 20,000 in a busy month. Advertising across many agencies and charging 200 per hour.

People paying for sex is a common and natural thing and the ladies who have good exposure make lots of money compared to the average wage.

Jack Saint has been correct in his posts and stop disregarding what he's saying unless you got some actual experience / evidence to back it up.

[finn5555]

I'm not sure what you have against a WGs earing potential.

It is quite common for a London agency escort to earn £15,000. I have known many who rent for £4,000 and her earnings were approx 12000 in a quiet month and as much as 20,000 in a busy month. Advertising across many agencies and charging 200 per hour.



Jack Saint has been correct in his posts and stop disregarding what he's saying unless you got some actual experience / evidence to back it up.

Careful what you say about evidence to back it up, your claims above …… can you back that up with evidence   

[SamOmar]

Careful what you say about evidence to back it up, your claims above …… can you back that up with evidence 

Yes!

[JackSaint]

You fucking female. How many times do I have to tell you to not drag me into your shit with PP1920. What the hell is wrong with you?

Do you know how many members I have looked out for and try to help just because I care about helping in general? Don't ever try and make unsubstantiated claims because I had a disagreement with you. Don't come on some bitch shit. I tried to be civil as possible but I can't be arsed anymore. Stop being a fucking pussy and say what you want to me directly, not come with some "oh you and your alter ego nonsense". Me and PP1920 are not related. Get this into your stupid head, Jesus Christ.

 

[SamOmar]

Denial & Anger problems

[JackSaint]

I don't know why you are carrying this on, here you have replied to Payyourwaymate's post when he wasn't even talking to you, he was responding to a point someone else made. Just agree to disagree with him.

These threads always end the same way and to be honest I don't know why people bother with them. Look at the facts, unless you are the pimp and with the escort 24 hours a day you have no idea about what they earn, there's to many unknown factors.

Only they know how often they want to work, how many punters per shift they want to see, how many punters they actually see which could be less than they want and how much of their fee is taken up with expenses.

There's a whole world of difference between earning potential and actual earnings.  Why should a punter be bothered anyway.   

Well put, the voice of reason Davie, I’m out of this discussion, it’s got silly now.

[finn5555]

Yes!

Well go on then I’m curious as to how 

It may shut most of us up 

[SamOmar]

Well go on then I’m curious as to how 

It may shut most of us up 

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?action=post;quote=3482682;topic=97083.4200

I'm not sure if that is how I link the quote from another thread but otherwise its page 85, London discussion New Oriental Hottie thread.

To cut a long story short, at 19 years old I started punting using London agencies and only a few months later learnt the ins and outs and was offered a job on a European / Brazilian agency back in 2008. I've dated a total of 5 escort in London ranging from a couple month relationship up to 18 months. Having my own agency at one point Much research in my court case followed and further research done in recent years with a university professor of criminology.

[Payyourwaymate]

I'm not sure what you have against a WGs earing potential.

It is quite common for a London agency escort to earn £15,000. I have known many who rent for £4,000 and her earnings were approx 12000 in a quiet month and as much as 20,000 in a busy month. Advertising across many agencies and charging 200 per hour.

People paying for sex is a common and natural thing and the ladies who have good exposure make lots of money compared to the average wage.

Jack Saint has been correct in his posts and stop disregarding what he's saying unless you got some actual experience / evidence to back it up.

Was that not when you were trafficking women like 10-20 years ago no? Are they still earning that now in this environment?

[SamOmar]

Was that not when you were trafficking women like 10-20 years ago no? Are they still earning that now in this environment?

I did not traffic anyone directly, but yes I was done for conspiracy to traffic as the known Thai WGs were on my website as well as others (benefiting me). It was like 8 years ago and not much has changed, Most recent relationship 2019 - 2020 and still remain friends with current London Escorts agency and independent. I think I know what I am talking about, not to mention doing further research and writing a booking / planned media appearances

[Payyourwaymate]

Denial & Anger problems

I have not denied anything really. I have put forward my points as clear as possible. People are coming at me with anecdotes from 20 years ago of one or two SPs being able to pull it off. JackSaint coming trying to do cheeky bravado like he is worth a damn when I was not even talking to him.

No one has being able to successfully lay out a well thought out counterpoint as to why my points do not make any sense apart from oh yes I know one SP that made X amount.

If people want to believe that any old SP can turn around and charge £200-£300 for the hour and she will magically make 6 figures constantly in this present time...not 2003 or 1995... With so many variables that can impact earnings or financial longevity....fine lol.

[SamOmar]

No one has being able to successfully lay out a well thought out counterpoint as to why my points do not make any sense apart from oh yes I know one SP that made X amount.

Sometimes just listen to the next person who knows more and learn. But whatever there is no point trying to educate someone who doesn't listen. There is no point in arguing about how much an "average agency escort in London" makes. Good luck with punting

[Payyourwaymate]

Sometimes just listen to the next person who knows more and learn. But whatever there is no point trying to educate someone who doesn't listen. There is no point in arguing about how much an "average agency escort in London" makes. Good luck with punting

lol. Now you resort to the same thing without explaining why my points are wrong. I have listened to everyone, taken their opinions in and explained why I disagree believing their points are not strong enough to convince me that the average woman can turn around, charge £200 - £300 and make 6 figures willynilly.

I have not said it is not possible to make 6 figures. I believe a specific set of criteria has to be met to allow for it to be possible and consistent. I think it is highly unlikely due to various variables which I have stated, that it is possible to maintain earning 6 figures for a long time. Suddenly I am stubborn, now you say there is no point trying to educate someone who won't listen.

To compare what members who disagree with me are doing, it's like referencing people that work in banking making a shit ton of money and if you work in banking or the city you are a fat cat earner as the norm when that is actually not the case, it's a specific sub set group of people in banking and in the "City" in general that make the ££££££. Don't wish me luck either punting, I don't need the fake well wishes. Thank you.

[SamOmar]

lol. Now you resort to the same thing without explaining why my points are wrong. I have listened to everyone, taken their opinions in and explained why I disagree believing their points are not strong enough to convince me that the average woman can turn around, charge £200 - £300 and make 6 figures willynilly.

I have not said it is not possible to make 6 figures. I believe a specific set of criteria has to be met to allow for it to be possible and consistent. I think it is highly unlikely due to various variables which I have stated, that it is possible to maintain earning 6 figures for a long time. Suddenly I am stubborn, now you say there is no point trying to educate someone who won't listen.

To compare what members who disagree with me are doing, it's like referencing people that work in banking making a shit ton of money and if you work in banking or the city you are a fat cat earner as the norm when that is actually not the case, it's a specific sub set group of people in banking and in the "City" in general that make the ££££££. Don't wish me luck either punting, I don't need the fake well wishes. Thank you.

The criteria is set out in the thread title and the opening post 

[puntingpumping1920]

I think I know what I am talking about, not to mention doing further research and writing a booking / planned media appearances

TBF, I was just supporting a punter that has supported me in the past.

I don't know who makes what

Six figures a year does seem high for a £200/ hr escort

[finn5555]

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?action=post;quote=3482682;topic=97083.4200

I'm not sure if that is how I link the quote from another thread but otherwise its page 85, London discussion New Oriental Hottie thread.

To cut a long story short, at 19 years old I started punting using London agencies and only a few months later learnt the ins and outs and was offered a job on a European / Brazilian agency back in 2008. I've dated a total of 5 escort in London ranging from a couple month relationship up to 18 months. Having my own agency at one point Much research in my court case followed and further research done in recent years with a university professor of criminology.

Ah so you was a pimp  then you have some insight into how much pro$$ies can earn 

[Payyourwaymate]

The criteria is set out in the thread title and the opening post 

Read all my posts from the start, then come back to me as to why I am wrong.

[SamOmar]

TBF, I was just supporting a punter that has supported me in the past.

I don't know who makes what

Six figures a year does seem high for a £200/ hr escort

Your reviews even at that price point give detailed accounts of location and incall premises. As you know they aren't cheap to rent and most WG's do get charged higher than the market rate let alone the bills involved.

London agency escorts on the most part have great exposure across many agencies (as well as a deep pool of punters) and no one will keep contact with agencies if sufficient work is not given. At £200 it is quite an affordable rate for most punters in London that see agency escorts. All I was saying is the calculations are correct on a hypothetical basis and they match my own experience both as a punter and behind the scenes. Commission, bills , rent is paid after money earnings. 100k is a conservative estimate for the average agency escort in London. This is much less than the top 10% of earners in London let alone 1%.

[Payyourwaymate]

The Key findings which are in the executive summary were:

To be in the top 1% of income tax payers in the UK (i.e. to be among the 310,000 individuals with the highest income), a taxable income of at least £160,000 is required. £236,000 is required to be in the top 0.5% and nearly £650,000 to be in the top 0.1%. 43% of adults pay no income tax and to be in the top 1% of all adults (or the top 540,000 people), a pre-tax income of at least £120,000 is required.

The top 1% of income tax payers are disproportionately male, middle-aged and London-based. A man aged 45–54 in London could be in the top 1% nationally while still needing a further £550,000 to be in the top 1% for his gender, age and region. These patterns become more pronounced at even higher income levels. Almost half of the top 0.1% of income tax payers are based in London, over 40% are aged 45–54 and only 11% are women.

The top 1% of income tax payers have become more geographically concentrated since the turn of the century. The 65 (out of 650) parliamentary constituencies with the highest density of people in the top 1% now contain half of all of the top 1%. This is up from 78 constituencies in 2000–01. Partnership and dividend income account for over a quarter of the total income of the top 1%, and over a third of the total income of the top 0.1%, a much higher share than for those with lower incomes. Partnership and dividend income are taxed at lower rates than normal salaries – a policy choice to tax the incomes of business owners at lower rates than employees, which therefore benefits a significant share of the top 1%.

The top 1% of income tax payers are not a stable group – a quarter of those in the top 1% in one year will not be there the next. After five years, only half will still be in the top 1%.

As a result, someone has a much higher chance of being in the top 1% at some point in their lives than they do in any given year. 3.4% of all people (and 5.5% of men) born in 1963 were in the top 1% of income tax payers at some point between 2000–01 and 2015–16.

I'll attach the conclusion of the report. This is over 15 years.

"The top 1% of income tax payers are geographically very concentrated. Half of them live in just 10% of the parliamentary constituencies (65 out of 650), many of which are in London and the South East. Given that those in the top 1% are also disproportionately likely to be in middle age, and to be male, people in the top 1% may not feel especially high income relative to their peers. A man aged 45–54 in London with an income of £162,000 would be in the top 1% nationally, but would not even be in the top 5% for their age, gender and region, and would need a staggering extra £550,000 per year to be in the top 1% for their age, gender and region. Understanding more about the top 1% is important in debates about inequality, but it is also important from a fiscal point of view. The top 1% of income tax payers pay 27% of all income tax, as well as a significant share of other taxes. The regional dimension is arguably particularly important here – tax revenues, and hence the funding of our public services and welfare system, are very sensitive to a relatively small group of people based
in London.

On the theme of tax, our analysis highlights that a substantial fraction of the top 1% earn their income in the form of partnership income and dividends, which accrue to the owners of unincorporated and incorporated businesses, respectively. Both forms of income are taxed at lower rates than salary – the result of a policy choice to tax business owners at lower rates than employees. Our estimates here suggest that almost one-in-three people in the top 1% are business owners, meaning that this policy choice provides substantial
tax breaks to some of the highest-income people in society.

It is tempting to think of the ‘top 1%’ as a stable, never-changing group – as popular debate often seems to do, at least implicitly – and it is certainly the case that a large majority of people will never be in the top 1% of income tax payers. But people do move in and out of the group frequently. Only half of the top 1% of income tax payers in one year will be in the top 1% five years later. And the flipside is that many more people will have very high incomes at some point in their lives than in any single year. Looking at a generation that has just gone through its peak-income years (i.e. those born in 1963, who were 53 in 2016), on average, around 10,000 (1.1%) were in the top 1% in any single year between 2000–01 and 2015–16, but three times as many (31,000, or 3.4%) had been in the top 1% at some point since 2000–01. For men in this birth cohort, the figure rises to 5.5%. Of course over their whole lifetimes – as opposed to the 15-year period we observe here – the figures will be higher still."

This is all pre-pandemic. Some of that time period is before the "Credit Crunch". The UK population as of 2020 was 67.22 million.

You don't need millions of Londoners to be "high rollers" who earn ££££££ to justify the existence of many WGs charging £500+.
The latest ONS data estimates 1.2 million Londoners living in households with a gross income > £100k.

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Probably £100k is still not enough to fritter away £££ on super expensive escorts.

Maybe you need to earn £200k? That would be ca. £10k net of taxes per month.

I have no idea how many of those 1.2 million are males earning >£200k, but, even if it is only 10% (just pulling numbers out of thin air), it's still 120,000 people.

And this is without counting the super high flyers who visit London often, maybe even have a house here, but don't count as residents. Ever seen the moving vans when Arabs move into their Mayfair or Knightsbridge properties just for the summer, then move out again?

Is it better then just saying it's possible for the SP to earn six figures if they locate in london, are attractive enough and provide good service to high earners or are willing to take 50 plus dicks a month every month to make it possible for 1 or 2 years maybe then? Because it seems we are presenting different points. You are saying it's possible and have experience which I appreciate the insight. I did not disagree. I said it's highly unlikely to reach that point and not really possible to do it consistently year in year out.

How many of those men at that earnings level even punt? We don't know, there are no stats for it. All I am saying is that if it was really as easy as others are making out, we would be seeing far more better quality of women at that price level being service providers no? But what are we seeing at the current time? A drought, poor quality providers at that price level both indie and agency wise. Surely the potential to earn 6 figures is so alluring that there should be no dearth of women trying their luck no? There's enough women in this country to negate the foreign women shortage who are normally in agencies but they are not doing it are they, not at the AW and mid agency level. Otherwise people would not be complaining about poor choice in SPs right? But somehow they are earning 6 figures.

[SamOmar]

This is all pre-pandemic. Some of that time period is before the "Credit Crunch". The UK population as of 2020 was 67.22 million.

Is it better then just saying it's possible for the SP to earn six figures if they locate in london, are attractive enough and provide good service to high earners or are willing to take 50 plus dicks a month every month to make it possible for 1 or 2 years maybe then? Because it seems we are presenting different points. You are saying it's possible and have experience which I appreciate the insight. I did not disagree. I said it's highly unlikely to reach that point and not really possible to do it consistently year in year out.

How many of those men at that earnings level even punt? We don't know, there are no stats for it. All I am saying is that if it was really as easy as others are making out, we would be seeing far more better quality of women at that price level being service providers no? But what are we seeing at the current time? A drought, poor quality providers at that price level both indie and agency wise. Surely the potential to earn 6 figures is so alluring that there should be no dearth of women trying their luck no? There's enough women in this country to negate the foreign women shortage who are normally in agencies but they are not doing it are they, not at the AW and mid agency level. Otherwise people would not be complaining about poor choice in SPs right? But somehow they are earning 6 figures.

Most of your points do make sense, but the lack of good foreign service providers is mainly due to the Pandemic, this then in turn brings up the price also it also takes a very strong head to go into this line of work (it isn't for the majority even if the earnings are good) whilst others around the country may not flock to London as they are quite happy with their current regulars and earnings.
I concede I can not extrapolate the data to give an accurate figure during the last couple of years .
I also agree after reading your post you were looking at it as money held onto but I was looking at it as more of a turnover. Even in my experience I have not met many service providers that have managed their outgoings / finances well.

[jamiekinkxxx]

This is a pointless finger in the air exercise.

Anyone who is trying to either put a figure down is just speculating and guessing. No one will know all the parameters. Every escort will be different in the way they work. It just cannot even be guessed to any degree of certainity!

As a few people have said:

Where are they working in London
What are they charging p/h
Are they independent or via agency (I know the Q was agency but what about the other channels?)
What nationality are they
Are the fulltime or part-time

But most importantly what is average???  ... agency prices vary so much, from cheap agencies to really high-end, to agencies that are not even agencies in the traditional sense and then everything inbetween.

Put it like this.

There will be many an ecsort that thinks it is a professional paved with gold. Some will make ALOT other will either make little or just piss it against the wall. Pretty much like any profession... all of ours I would imagine.... some people are successful at what they do and make alot of money... others are not so good and make a little and soem of us who make alot will just piss it up against the wall (certainly in our early careers... which will be echo's by escorts too IMHO!  )

what I said earlier! 

[lillythesavage]

The real loser in this pointless hypothetical playground argument is the forum. 

[jamiekinkxxx]

20 years ago is before?

How was the job market 20 years ago? Much easier then right? I am talking about now.

Some of the girls I mention retired late 00's so no not 20's years ago... I have just been punting for that number of years.

Was their job market easier 20 years ago? Not sure TBH... neither are you. My point was much more about some comments that have been made that escorts are not good business people, astute with money...

That is not the case as I have mentioned, they had an exit plan, worked to that plan and were made for life.

[jamiekinkxxx]

Not realistic in my eyes my good sir. If it was that easy why are we not seeing many success stories, why is the general perception that SPs do not make alot of money or become financially independent?

See my response three posts above.

You think 3hrs a day, 5 days a week, 3 weeks a month, 10 months a year to ger >£100k a year is unrealitic. I think it is more than achievable.

This really is a POINTLESS exercise

[Payyourwaymate]

Some of the girls I mention retired late 00's so no not 20's years ago... I have just been punting for that number of years.

Was their job market easier 20 years ago? Not sure TBH... neither are you. My point was much more about some comments that have been made that escorts are not good business people, astute with money...

That is not the case as I have mentioned, they had an exit plan, worked to that plan and were made for life.

So they basically retired when the recession hit then. We can't play ignorant to the amount of cash flowing around pre recession back then. It's good for them they were able to do so. I'm not sure how we have a dispute when we are stating different points to be honest. The circumstances then are not the same now. Furthermore, the job market then was easier than now. Were you doing psychometric tests, multiple interviews and group assessment centres to get your job? It's not really relevant to this topic or I could find information to back up my claim that the market was easy then than now.

See my response three posts above.

You think 3hrs a day, 5 days a week, 3 weeks a month, 10 months a year to ger >£100k a year is unrealitic. I think it is more than achievable.

This really is a POINTLESS exercise

It's not pointless, otherwise there would not be threads every now and then where people are speculating how much they make. It is possible to deduce a range of what is realistic depending on certain variables to an extent in a realistic fashion.

I'll explain why I think it is unrealistic for such a work pattern to be consistent to allow an income of that amount each year.

1. There is no guarantee that the SP will even get 3 clients in a day to work 3 hours, will the clients she get pay for 1 hour each or shorter intervals?

2. How many timewasters will she get? How many clients will she screen and decide not to see?

3. What happens if she is sick? What happens if she does not feel like working?

4. Quiet periods?

5. Wants to go on holiday?

6. Unforeseen circumstances leading to not being able to work?

7. Gets a partner and stops working?

8. Somehow ends up pregnant which stops her working?

9. Expenses and Overheads?

10. ill health, mental health or burnout.

Taking all of this into consideration and you still reckon an SP can not only earn more than 100K but they will somehow keep it after taxes and expenses? I'm not sure what I am missing here that I cannot see.

In my opinion, your thought exercise is a simplified reduction of what can be possible in an ideal world where everything goes well, extrapolating factors such as the amount charged, number of clients and time worked in a vacuum; not real life. This is why I think it is unrealistic per say. This is not happening for them in real life. Now perhaps maybe I am being stubborn for good reason, but I would like to think I have listened to enough people, seen first hand and researched to not think I am completely wrong in my conclusion lol.

[expeller]

Maybe there is an agency owner following this thread who might like to give their views.

[SamOmar]

Maybe there is an agency owner following this thread who might like to give their views.

Ex agency owner lol, The above post is 100% correct, while they may earn the money all the points above decrease their actual net earnings and only the minority will have a large take home pay

[jamiekinkxxx]

So they basically retired when the recession hit then. We can't play ignorant to the amount of cash flowing around pre recession back then. It's good for them they were able to do so. I'm not sure how we have a dispute when we are stating different points to be honest. The circumstances then are not the same now. Furthermore, the job market then was easier than now. Were you doing psychometric tests, multiple interviews and group assessment centres to get your job? It's not really relevant to this topic or I could find information to back up my claim that the market was easy then than now.

It's not pointless, otherwise there would not be threads every now and then where people are speculating how much they make. It is possible to deduce a range of what is realistic depending on certain variables to an extent in a realistic fashion.

I'll explain why I think it is unrealistic for such a work pattern to be consistent to allow an income of that amount each year.

1. There is no guarantee that the SP will even get 3 clients in a day to work 3 hours, will the clients she get pay for 1 hour each or shorter intervals?

2. How many timewasters will she get? How many clients will she screen and decide not to see?

3. What happens if she is sick? What happens if she does not feel like working?

4. Quiet periods?

5. Wants to go on holiday?

6. Unforeseen circumstances leading to not being able to work?

7. Gets a partner and stops working?

8. Somehow ends up pregnant which stops her working?

9. Expenses and Overheads?

10. ill health, mental health or burnout.

Taking all of this into consideration and you still reckon an SP can not only earn more than 100K but they will somehow keep it after taxes and expenses? I'm not sure what I am missing here that I cannot see.

In my opinion, your thought exercise is a simplified reduction of what can be possible in an ideal world where everything goes well, extrapolating factors such as the amount charged, number of clients and time worked in a vacuum; not real life. This is why I think it is unrealistic per say. This is not happening for them in real life. Now perhaps maybe I am being stubborn for good reason, but I would like to think I have listened to enough people, seen first hand and researched to not think I am completely wrong in my conclusion lol.

  you are deaf and blind to ANYTHING that goes against your view. You also do not READ

PointA was NOTHING to do with average earning it was to do with escorts not being as stupid as some have made out on here. Some are very business savvy.. and that my deaf friend has nothing to do with when the escorts I mentioned were working. As for recession? Which ones? I, and many have been unaffected (even done well out of) the Banking Crisis and COVID reciessions.

PointB half of your points you list are catered for by my concervative estimates in hours, days, weeks and months. I would also state that if you are talking about escorts that offer <1hr bookings (and from what you state in your reply you are) then you are really not talking about the 'average' £250ph escort that I am talking about. Put it like this. The min booking I make is 2hrs, my average probaly 3hrs. So that could be oner guy one 3hr booking a day. or 2 90min bookings. It need not be 6 x 30min P&Ds). My figures are not simplistic they are averaging out. There could be sdays when she doesn't work there could be days when she gets an overnight at £1500. Hence why I did the figures I did to show how easy it is to get to £100k (as an indy)

You are really just shouting a load of shite. You have zero clue about what is average and for everything you state, I and many on here will state an opposing view.

£100k + per year is easily achievable for even decent escort, let alone a high-end one.

[Payyourwaymate]

  you are deaf and blind to ANYTHING that goes against your view. You also do not READ

PointA was NOTHING to do with average earning it was to do with escorts not being as stupid as some have made out on here. Some are very business savvy.. and that my deaf friend has nothing to do with when the escorts I mentioned were working. As for recession? Which ones? I, and many have been unaffected (even done well out of) the Banking Crisis and COVID reciessions.

PointB half of our points you list are catered for by my concervative estimates in hours, days, weeks and months. I would also state that if you are talking about escorts that offer <1hr bookings (and from what you state in your reply you are) then you are really not talking about the 'average' £250ph escort that I am talking about. Put it like this. The min booking I make is 2hrs, my average probaly 3hrs. So that could be oner guy one 3hr booking a day. or 2 90min bookings. It need nbot be 6 30min P&Ds)

You are really just shouting a load of shite. You have zero clue about what is average and for everything you state, I and many on here will state an opposing view.

£100k + per year is easily achievable for even decent escort, let alone a high-end one.

Ok then. I am not deaf or blind when I have in this thread clearly read the views and explained why I disagree but if you want to now resort to attacks that's fine too. I have not disputed anything you said about SPs not having financial literacy? It seems you have not read all of my posts either. I have been respectful towards you but you want to take an disrespectful tone. I give up.

I won't post anymore regarding this, if SPs are making 6 figures easily and maintaining it stress free like everyone wants to make out, fair enough. I concede, it seems I am the one living in the vacuum and ignorant of the real world lol.

[bonapati]

Ok then. I am not deaf or blind when I have in this thread clearly read the views and explained why I disagree but if you want to now resort to attacks that's fine too. I have not disputed anything you said about SPs not having financial literacy? It seems you have not read all of my posts either. I have been respectful towards you but you want to take an disrespectful tone. I give up.

I won't post anymore regarding this, if SPs are making 6 figures easily and maintaining it stress free like everyone wants to make out, fair enough. I concede, it seems I am the one living in the vacuum and ignorant of the real world lol.

Oh yes you will…

- and you will also call someone the B-word
- accuse someone being a tout
- tell someone you respect them but not anymore
- tell someone they are angry or aggressive
- and maybe deny your brother 😂