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Ravanelli

I quite like the idea of withholding a small percentage of cash until after all agreed services have been completed. Maybe half is a little much but I wondered if I was to make a reverse booking on this basis whether any WG's would have the confidence to engage with this deal?
This is common practice in almost any other service provision you can think of and goes some way to ensuring the terms of the deal are guaranteed. Any thoughts?

Offline Whore Of Babylon

I mostly settle up after the event, so I'm confident all will be well. No one has complained or tried not to pay. As yet.

Once a new guy messaged me with this deal and I declined, sounded dodgy. To be fair he started by haggling so it raised my suspicion and I feared he had no intention of paying the rest of the fee.
If I saw a rb like this, I would be suspicious of motive rather than lack confidence to fulfil the requirements. But that's just me.
« Last Edit: December 24, 2012, 02:04:00 PM by Whore Of Babylon »

Ravanelli

I mostly settle up after the event, so I'm confident all will be well. No one has complained or tried not to pay. As yet.

Once a new guy messaged me with this deal and I declined, sounded dodgy. To be fair he started by haggling so it raised my suspicion and I feared he had no intention of paying the rest of the fee.

Reminds me of the girl who insisted on taking my money upfront then left it on the bedside table throughout. I could have easily snatched it back if dissatisfied. Why would you refuse this deal when you don't ask for the money anyway; on that basis every transaction is a risk?
Very few girls don't ask for the money upfront and whilst I am happy to comply it does inspire confidence when a girl is happy to wait. I can think of three occasions where I've asked for my cash back, once before we even engaged in any sexual act and twice after five minutes or so when I realised the girls were taking the piss. When a girl takes your money and leaves the room to stash it somewhere you ain't getting it back no matter what.

Offline Whore Of Babylon

On the basis that every punter I've seen has been happy to pay my fee. If a punter actively asks for half upfront he has either (like yourself) been messed around or he's scamming and has no intention of paying the rest of the fee.
It comes down to a certain amount of trust on both sides. I can only make my decision when face to face with someone.
God forbid we have to sign contracts before.

Offline skittish

It's very easy to see both sides of the argument here.

In legitimate service industries there's no hard and fast rules as when to pay if you travel by bus you generally pay up front if you travel by cab then you usually pay at the end, likewise for many other services.
The customer or service provider enjoys a certain amount of protection by law.

In paid sex industry it's unlikely that a punter or service provider is going to complain to the authorities about being ripped off and if they did how seriously would that complaint be taken?

It's a risk industry that I personally expect to pay up front for, if a service provider specifically says pay at the end I wouldn't have a problem. I wouldn't haggle about paying half now and the rest at the end at the risk of putting the SP at unease. Payment terms are just that and it's the customers choice to either accept them or go elsewhere.

I rather suspect the OP is asking whether SP's would be willing to adopt such a payment method though.

Offline James999

If It's a brothel then it's up front as they have to run off and pay the boss, with independents the money is usually left on the side by the bed so no need to pass half a tthe start and the end  :hi:

There is of course the odd weird "independent" who rushes off to hide it (Pass to boyfriend to send him shopping for supplies more like)  :crazy:

Offline Uglybugball


If it's a new punt, I've already done my research and comms before hand. I'm therefore willing to handover the whole amount upfront. The most recent "new one", with excellent feedback, stipulated on her AW profile;

Gentleman please respect me and pay at the start of appointment. Please dont make me ask for the money as it is embarassing for both of us. Thank u.

After 5 minutes and a cup of tea served, I produced the "envelope" and she shyly placed it on the side table and carried on with our little chat. I suppose If I tried to "jump on her" I might of got a little reminder of pay before you play.

After I've seen them more than once, and the "trust" has been established, then the transaction could be carried out later on.

That reminded me of one girl I had seen about 4 times, I'd inadvertently left the flat with the envelope in my jacket pocket. I turned back and gave her the payment. She was of course grateful. (a real hottie that I  wanted to see again anyway)

I hate paying upfront for anything especially when it comes to hookers, thier objective is to get paid and they can be very convincing that you will have the perfect hoe experience before they have your cast, up to that point the punter holds the power but once you part with the folding gear the incentive has gone, she has to blow you or whatever but it doesnt make a difference how well she does it because she wont get paid again at the end so they often suddenly become really tired or ill or someone is coming round and we need to hurry and all that shite. Some one said you pay a bus driver up front which is different, the bus drive wont get paid if he doesnt drive the bus.  I would say its more like when you pay a tradesman up front they suddenly turn into billy bullshiter telling you it will cost more than expected etc etc.

Online smiths

The norm in my 30 years of punting is to pay upfront. Especially EE WGs stash the cash in another room usually, some others put it on the side.

Unlike in regulated industries there is no formal complaints procedure so while it remains like this i cant see many WGs changing this.

Offline Steve2

I hate paying upfront for anything especially when it comes to hookers, thier objective is to get paid and they can be very convincing that you will have the perfect hoe experience before they have your cast, up to that point the punter holds the power but once you part with the folding gear the incentive has gone, she has to blow you or whatever but it doesnt make a difference how well she does it because she wont get paid again at the end so they often suddenly become really tired or ill or someone is coming round and we need to hurry and all that shite. Some one said you pay a bus driver up front which is different, the bus drive wont get paid if he doesnt drive the bus.  I would say its more like when you pay a tradesman up front they suddenly turn into billy bullshiter telling you it will cost more than expected etc etc.

Get real. No money no honey :)

Ravanelli

Seriously, I don't think there's an argument against it. Let's say we held back 25% as standard, how many times would a girl get ripped off to make it a real concern? I personally am well ahead of any WG in the 'getting ripped off stakes.'  Balance that against increased confidence and perhaps increased custom from punters. If I saw a WG advertising her services on those terms then it would immediately remove a lot of doubts I might have about booking her.... Provided she was hot of course.

Offline skittish

Seriously, I don't think there's an argument against it. Let's say we held back 25% as standard, how many times would a girl get ripped off to make it a real concern? I personally am well ahead of any WG in the 'getting ripped off stakes.'  Balance that against increased confidence and perhaps increased custom from punters. If I saw a WG advertising her services on those terms then it would immediately remove a lot of doubts I might have about booking her.... Provided she was hot of course.

I'd say once?

Let's ask jimmy,

I jump in his cab in London
Skittish: Hello driver take me to Ipswich please.
JRC: Certainly sir but as it's a long out of town journey I must insist you pay the fare upfront.
Skittish: Sorry driver I can give you 25% now but the rest of my cash is in my flat, I'll pay you when we get there.
JRC: Well I don't usually make exceptions but since you're a handsome fella, you look honest and everyone from Ipswich are known to be trustworthy...OK
Skittish: Have you been busy driver?
JRC: Someone buy you that f**king Peter Kay DVD?

So we get to Ipswich pull up at a block of flats

Skittish: Wait there driver I'll run in and get the rest of your cash

Jimmy waits of course Skittish doesn't live at the flats and doesn't return with the cash.

Next day a different customer almost as handsome asks for a similar deal, what do you say?

Ravanelli

I'd say once?

Let's ask jimmy,

I jump in his cab in London
Skittish: Hello driver take me to Ipswich please.
JRC: Certainly sir but as it's a long out of town journey I must insist you pay the fare upfront.
Skittish: Sorry driver I can give you 25% now but the rest of my cash is in my flat, I'll pay you when we get there.
JRC: Well I don't usually make exceptions but since you're a handsome fella, you look honest and everyone from Ipswich are known to be trustworthy...OK
Skittish: Have you been busy driver?
JRC: Someone buy you that f**king Peter Kay DVD?

So we get to Ipswich pull up at a block of flats

Skittish: Wait there driver I'll run in and get the rest of your cash

Jimmy waits of course Skittish doesn't live at the flats and doesn't return with the cash.

Next day a different customer almost as handsome asks for a similar deal, what do you say?

Amusing post but the point is that I think a WG would gain more from this arrangement than she loses. As the girl said earlier, she never asks for the money upfront. If a punter refuses to pay due to service issues I think she'd accept this as part of the risk/benefit analysis and continue working in the same vein...or maybe she'll tell me I'm talking total bollocks?

Offline skittish

Amusing post but the point is that I think a WG would gain more from this arrangement than she loses. As the girl said earlier, she never asks for the money upfront. If a punter refuses to pay due to service issues I think she'd accept this as part of the risk/benefit analysis and continue working in the same vein...or maybe she'll tell me I'm talking total bollocks?

Well of course yes my post was indeed tongue in cheek, I don't think you're talking bollocks.
In principle and in an ideal world it's a nice notion and I understand your reasoning, I just don't think that it's one that would get too much consideration from WG's in reality.

Online smiths

Amusing post but the point is that I think a WG would gain more from this arrangement than she loses. As the girl said earlier, she never asks for the money upfront. If a punter refuses to pay due to service issues I think she'd accept this as part of the risk/benefit analysis and continue working in the same vein...or maybe she'll tell me I'm talking total bollocks?

Great to be an idealist, i was one once myself but the present modus wont be changing anytime soon in my view. Many punters know nothing about or have no interest in punting forums so will continue to punt as they always have, paying upfront as is the established norm in this country.

Why would many WGs enmasse wish to change to a part pay afterwards set-up when they get punters paying upfront at present. If i were a WG i wouldnt be trusting strangers and would be stashing their cash before i offered my services. ;)

Offline Dani

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I always take payment upfront with a new client as I have been caught out badly when I first started.  That was enough for me to change the way I worked and always get it upfront.  Believe me it leaves you feeling really crappy and I a took a month off to decide if I wanted to carry on doing this after each time as the guys who do rip you off are normally the ones that are also really demanding and expecting you to work your arse off.  Mine was a 48 hour booking and he was on viagra and god knows what else as he did not sleep at all for the 48 hours.
Perhaps you should try working your arse off sucking and fucking a rude, arrogant fat old guy for two days and nights solid and then him saying he had a great time but has no money on him.  You too would want money upfront from then on in and would not trust any new client.

Unfortunately there are bad on both sides but as a service provider I am no longer willing to take the risk.  There are a few guys in my area who do this regularly.  One actually always books for a bank holiday weekend and after two days with him he refuses to pay.  There is a very long warnings thread on him on safe and he was the first one to catch me out as when I started I was too trusting. 48 hours of my life I will never get back and worked my arse off for nothing.  never again.

Online smiths

I always take payment upfront with a new client as I have been caught out badly when I first started.  That was enough for me to change the way I worked and always get it upfront.  Believe me it leaves you feeling really crappy and I a took a month off to decide if I wanted to carry on doing this after each time as the guys who do rip you off are normally the ones that are also really demanding and expecting you to work your arse off.  Mine was a 48 hour booking and he was on viagra and god knows what else as he did not sleep at all for the 48 hours.
Perhaps you should try working your arse off sucking and fucking a rude, arrogant fat old guy for two days and nights solid and then him saying he had a great time but has no money on him.  You too would want money upfront from then on in and would not trust any new client.

Unfortunately there are bad on both sides but as a service provider I am no longer willing to take the risk.  There are a few guys in my area who do this regularly.  One actually always books for a bank holiday weekend and after two days with him he refuses to pay.  There is a very long warnings thread on him on safe and he was the first one to catch me out as when I started I was too trusting. 48 hours of my life I will never get back and worked my arse off for nothing.  never again.

What a total prick he is, sums a reason for upfront payment being required by many WGs in this country up better than i ever could. ;)

Ravanelli



Why would many WGs enmasse wish to change to a part pay afterwards set-up when they get punters paying upfront at present.


They won't and I'm far from being an idealist; the point of the original post was as to whether or not there'd be any takers if a reverse booking was put through on these terms. As Paddy McGuinness would say, the power is in your hands.

Offline Whore Of Babylon

I reckon you would get the usual bidder for RB's - Ladies with time spare and willing to take a risk on you not paying. Or have a big hefty minder in wait.
« Last Edit: December 24, 2012, 06:42:34 PM by Whore Of Babylon »

Offline Whore Of Babylon

I always take payment upfront with a new client as I have been caught out badly when I first started.  That was enough for me to change the way I worked and always get it upfront.  Believe me it leaves you feeling really crappy and I a took a month off to decide if I wanted to carry on doing this after each time as the guys who do rip you off are normally the ones that are also really demanding and expecting you to work your arse off.  Mine was a 48 hour booking and he was on viagra and god knows what else as he did not sleep at all for the 48 hours.
Perhaps you should try working your arse off sucking and fucking a rude, arrogant fat old guy for two days and nights solid and then him saying he had a great time but has no money on him.  You too would want money upfront from then on in and would not trust any new client.

Unfortunately there are bad on both sides but as a service provider I am no longer willing to take the risk.  There are a few guys in my area who do this regularly.  One actually always books for a bank holiday weekend and after two days with him he refuses to pay.  There is a very long warnings thread on him on safe and he was the first one to catch me out as when I started I was too trusting. 48 hours of my life I will never get back and worked my arse off for nothing.  never again.
:rose:
That's horrendous. Poor you, glad you stuck with it though.
Luckily I've not been caught out with this one. I always see clients several times before considering an overnight or longer booking. Some guys really love a new girl to take advantage of.
 :coolgirl:

I always take payment upfront with a new client as I have been caught out badly when I first started.  That was enough for me to change the way I worked and always get it upfront.  Believe me it leaves you feeling really crappy and I a took a month off to decide if I wanted to carry on doing this after each time as the guys who do rip you off are normally the ones that are also really demanding and expecting you to work your arse off.  Mine was a 48 hour booking and he was on viagra and god knows what else as he did not sleep at all for the 48 hours.
Perhaps you should try working your arse off sucking and fucking a rude, arrogant fat old guy for two days and nights solid and then him saying he had a great time but has no money on him.  You too would want money upfront from then on in and would not trust any new client.

Unfortunately there are bad on both sides but as a service provider I am no longer willing to take the risk.  There are a few guys in my area who do this regularly.  One actually always books for a bank holiday weekend and after two days with him he refuses to pay.  There is a very long warnings thread on him on safe and he was the first one to catch me out as when I started I was too trusting. 48 hours of my life I will never get back and worked my arse off for nothing.  never again.

Jesus H Christ, my dick's normally red raw after a 2 hour booking; how the hell does anyone carry on for another 46 hours?

Surely any Ho' should be suspicious of a new client who wants to book longer than 1 or 2 hours?

Ravanelli

:rose:
That's horrendous. Poor you

I too sympathise but from how this particular punter was described it doesn't sound like the money would have made everything ok, or does money have the power to block such unpleasant experience?

Offline Dani

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No the money would not have made everything ok but at least I would have not felt such an idiot.  I was very inexperienced and did not realise about forums and such and thought it normal to have overnights as I had already done two before him.  Now I would not touch an overnight until I had spent a much shorter booking with them.

I must say though he is very convincing, what with being a lawyer etc (he actually is) a much older man who on the phone in our several calls before the booking was very well spoken and polite.  If someone treated me like that now I would just walk but at the time I sort of thought most guys treated prossies like that and I would have to get used to it if I wanted to do the job.  Thank god I learnt quickly that that was not the case.

It is because of men like him whos actual words were, "take me to court, see if they will uphold an immoral contract",why most girls have a pay before play policy as unlike other service providers we cannot get a court to uphold our contract as it is immoral, whereas if we were plumbers or builders (oh hang on not builders as they normally want up front too) we could get our money back eventually.

So weigh up the risk to us and decide it is not worth risking and you men have to decide if you are happy with that or not.  You can choose not to visit if you dont like the fact we want payment first and try and find someone who will take it after.  Mind if you actually ask in an email or on the phone if she will take payment after the booking you will probably be classed as either a timewaster or a con man and she will suddenly become too busy too see you

guys who pay up front allways have and allways will get ripped off at some point.
girls who ask for payment after sex will also get ripped off at some point, which reflects the fact that there is a percentage of the population who will rip someone off if given the opportunity which the punter-ho exchange provides.
I owned a shop for over ten years, 9 times out of ten if ever i gave some one credit even if they had been regular customers i never saw them again it used to really fuck me off. :dash:

Ravanelli

And of course he was bluffing. No solicitor in their right mind would risk the reputational damage from being linked to a case such as this. Even if he was a partner in the firm he would be pressured to make the case go away. Solicitors bluff for a living.


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