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Author Topic: Definition of a fluffy?  (Read 4708 times)

Offline mutualrespect

Good on you. And that's exactly what you should expect and have the right to complain if not received.

Being too nice can be counter productive. You cause more harm than good.
Fluffies are sometimes a danger to themselves as well. In their loved up fluffy state can be way too trusting.
On a first meeting a client offered me his credit card and details, so I could book rooms for us as he was always too busy.
I declined. But wtf?

Could it possibly be he was getting off on the possibility of financial bribery or giving over control of something to someone else? There are lots of cam girls that offer that kind of thing so there is clearly a market out there.

It takes all sorts, never understood it myself.

Offline smiths

Good on you. And that's exactly what you should expect and have the right to complain if not received.

Being too nice can be counter productive. You cause more harm than good.
Fluffies are sometimes a danger to themselves as well. In their loved up fluffy state can be way too trusting.
On a first meeting a client offered me his credit card and details, so I could book rooms for us as he was always too busy.
I declined. But wtf?

Indeed, but causing harm to oneself is a matter of personal responsibility. Idiots are all around and in punting some guys are blinded by lust and any logical common sense goes out the window, i know as i was a dick thinker for years myself in my younger days. ;)

Offline Whore Of Babylon

Hmm possibly but usually he would give verbal clues during the session but this happened after the sex took place. I then thought he might be testing me to see if I would take advantage. ( maybe a low limit on his card)
Well, I suppose he wasn't that daft to trust me as I declined.

Offline Whore Of Babylon

Indeed, but causing harm to oneself is a matter of personal responsibility. Idiots are all around and in punting some guys are blinded by lust and any logical common sense goes out the window, i know as i was a dick thinker for years myself in my younger days. ;)
I try not to take advantage as I know how dizzy you guys can get  ;) The amount of chemicals rushing through your system can effect your thinking organ as well as your pleasure organ.

So just being a fluffy where it has no impact on others is all well and good in my view

I think that's debatable. Even if they are not exhibiting their fluffiness they are still hurting themselves with false trust and false hope. At the end of the day if someone cannot separate a paid sex session with a WG as just a business transaction and instead spends the next few weeks, months or years constantly thinking about an imaginary 'relationship' with that WG then they have a serious problem. These are the types of guys that get upset or sulky if the WG forgets their name or some trivial piece of chit-chat from their last appointment. These are the types of guys that leap into the flames of a forum debate to defend the 'honour' of 'their' WG even though she is big enough and smart enough to look after herself. These are the types of guys that phone and text WG's outside of any arranged appointment or try to become too familiar during it. These are the types of guys that slowly push the WG's boundaries without her knowing, it's dangerous and I hope WG's see when this is happening.

These are the types of guys that will do (spend frivolously) or say (tell the WG to raise her prices) anything to make a WG 'like them' more, these are the types of guys that write field reports like love letters - even if they had a bad time. These are the types of guys who want to feel 'special', think they are the only client and refuse to leave fantasy.

And to that I advise that these types of guys should quit punting and pursue a normal healthy relationship because that is what they actually need.

The more scrupulous of WG's would take advantage of these types of guys, bleed them dry then leave the game. And to be fair I wouldn't blame them, after all it's just business. It's not their fault someone's head is stuck in the clouds.


Offline dogtired

No it isn't. It was invented by the sisterhood cunts and their fluffy acolytes to describe those who are actually realists.
As I say in the title of my book I am actually neither, but like all sensible punters am realistic to understand that all women are in it purely for the money.

I didnt suggest that you thought of yourself a "neanderthal". You may well be a realist of sorts but the way you talk to and about women suggests that you are not a pleasant sort of individual. Your use of the phrase "cunts" being a case in point

Offline AnthG

I didnt suggest that you thought of yourself a "neanderthal". You may well be a realist of sorts but the way you talk to and about women suggests that you are not a pleasant sort of individual. Your use of the phrase "cunts" being a case in point
Well you have made four posts and every one of them is condescending.

I think you seriously need to look in the mirror before dishing in your beliefs on what other people are like.

Offline NIK

I didnt suggest that you thought of yourself a "neanderthal". You may well be a realist of sorts but the way you talk to and about women suggests that you are not a pleasant sort of individual. Your use of the phrase "cunts" being a case in point

Totally appropriate in your case.

Offline Matium

A fluffy is one who disguises a sexual transaction with the trappings of romance.

I always think of the fluffy anthem as last xmas by wham....shit but still touching in a sad kind of way :) 


Offline mutualrespect

I think that's debatable. Even if they are not exhibiting their fluffiness they are still hurting themselves with false trust and false hope. At the end of the day if someone cannot separate a paid sex session with a WG as just a business transaction and instead spends the next few weeks, months or years constantly thinking about an imaginary 'relationship' with that WG then they have a serious problem. These are the types of guys that get upset or sulky if the WG forgets their name or some trivial piece of chit-chat from their last appointment. These are the types of guys that leap into the flames of a forum debate to defend the 'honour' of 'their' WG even though she is big enough and smart enough to look after herself. These are the types of guys that phone and text WG's outside of any arranged appointment or try to become too familiar during it. These are the types of guys that slowly push the WG's boundaries without her knowing, it's dangerous and I hope WG's see when this is happening.

These are the types of guys that will do (spend frivolously) or say (tell the WG to raise her prices) anything to make a WG 'like them' more, these are the types of guys that write field reports like love letters - even if they had a bad time. These are the types of guys who want to feel 'special', think they are the only client and refuse to leave fantasy.

And to that I advise that these types of guys should quit punting and pursue a normal healthy relationship because that is what they actually need.

The more scrupulous of WG's would take advantage of these types of guys, bleed them dry then leave the game. And to be fair I wouldn't blame them, after all it's just business. It's not their fault someone's head is stuck in the clouds.

Very good points. +1

Offline josh989

I like the idea of a fluffy being someone who lives in a fantasy land and thinks the business transaction is more than just business.

But what happens if a WG gets into a relationship with a fluffer? Are they still deluded or lucky?

Offline Jimmyredcab



But what happens if a WG gets into a relationship with a fluffer? Are they still deluded or lucky?

I admit it can happen but in 99.9% of cases the girl is only interested in your money, if you were skint they would not piss on you to put out a fire.    :thumbsdown:

Offline mutualrespect

I admit it can happen but in 99.9% of cases the girl is only interested in your money, if you were skint they would not piss on you to put out a fire.    :thumbsdown:

I once met a lovely Polish girl who had married an ex punter. It could have been bull  but she had nothing to gain for telling me this. We got onto talking about families and got into the subject of families.

I suppose the next question would be would you date a wg?

I couldn't if that's what she still did bit it wouldn't mind if she had  been and was no longer. Wouldn't be something id look for in a partner like, but it woudnt bother me too much.

Offline Marmalade

On a first meeting a client offered me his credit card and details, so I could book rooms for us as he was always too busy.

Whore Of Babylon has described exactly the sort of myopic attitude from punters that makes UKP so necessary.

It might be an extreme example, and he was lucky that he met someone not just with standards but who knows how and why to stick to proper procedure. Good on you for bringing it up, Whore of B. Of course, some fluffies are able to take care of themselves and survive without mishap; and some just play at being fluffies. But far too many punters think it is somehow an even fucking playing field. It's not and should not be. All human beings are equal, but roles are not: the prossie is a service provider, an employee, and let's be really clear: in a subservient position to fulfil her duty. This is not a put-down (before some silly sisterhood besom starts having a rant): it is the fact of the relationship. The dangerous fluffie is the one who forgets to act with the dignity of an employer.

Levels of trust go with the role unless you know someone exceedingly well. But where sex is involved, the brain can get fuddled.

Example A. I trust my maid / cleaning lady when I had one. She was awesome. Could hold a great conversation about politics, ironed my shirts like they were new, and so on. I trusted her with my house while she was there. That would not have extended to asking her to nip down to the ATM for me. Now the level of trust was clear cos a) I paid her a pittance and b) she was pretty ugly.

Example B. I also trust my P.A. (again, back in the days when my budget provided for one). Highly qualified, references from universitry professors I knew personally, and I had put her through a gruelling interview when she started. Her role as a P.A. allowed me to give her a different level of trust - more than a cleaning maid.

But here's the bitch. She wasn't ugly. I had to keepn reminding myself of her role cos oherwise I would mistake her devotion to the job for infatuation with me personally. She was doing a fucking job and getting paid. If I had started giving her flowers we'd both have been screwed. It's the same with a prossie - she's your prossie, not a fucking woman in an equal position to you.

No matter how wonderful a prossie is, she's still a fucking prossie. Not to her mum. Not to her mates (if she has any). But to you she is a fucking prossie. Cos you are a punter. And if the punter puts her on a pedastal, gives her more 'trust' or 'respect' than is appropriate to give your hired hand (hehe) then the punter has overstepped the boundary. It's not being 'nice.' It's overstepping the fucking boundary. And that, in a UKP slightly-larger-than-should-be-fucking-necesssary-nutshell, is why UKP has to constantly drive it home to the more deluded, head-in-the-cloud fluffie, that the prossie is not 'special' - she is a prossie there to do a service.

Politeness, that's all you give her on the job. Anything else is 'role-play' haha!

Good points Marmelade. All we can do is advise and educate. You can take the horse to water but you can't force it to drink.

Offline josh989

Whore Of Babylon has described exactly the sort of myopic attitude from punters that makes UKP so necessary.

It might be an extreme example, and he was lucky that he met someone not just with standards but who knows how and why to stick to proper procedure. Good on you for bringing it up, Whore of B. Of course, some fluffies are able to take care of themselves and survive without mishap; and some just play at being fluffies.

That is an extreme example as I wouldn't even give any friends my PIN code. I'd only trust my mum!

But service providers are also guilty of this. I've been shown facebook profiles, real names, personal phone numbers, email addresses etc. I guess it just depends on your circumstances - if you aren't that bothered about people finding out you're more open. A good analogy might be showing face photos on profiles. I'm still amazed some do this, but some SP's just don't care.

As a punter if you have a wife, kids, high profile job etc. then you'd have to be more careful of course. But if you're single, have a low paying job etc. it doesn't matter much.

have a low paying job etc. it doesn't matter much.

Why would a punter with a "low paying job" care any less about discretion?



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