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I had a punt with a Polish girl last week. It was an hour long and I was recovering after my first pop and we were chatting away about the town we were in when she said that she did not like it as "there are too many blacks and it was like living in Africa".

I was pretty taken aback by this. The town does have a multi-cultural population but around 70% (estimated) would be white British and approx 10% black. I have never seen this as an issue and work with a diverse range of people. I guess it is very different from Poland but it seemed a pretty weird view to express to someone you had just met.

It really put me off her and, although I did manage a round 2, I just wanted to leave asap.

I guess that I am a bit of a fluffy twat who actually wants to like the girl I am fucking and so things like this bother me.

Does anyone else react like this or do I just need to park my feelings at the door?


Offline stonebow1

I wouldn't let it bother you too much, EE's tend to be a little racist largely due to the culture they're brought up in back home. Just pump and dump and let karma do the rest if necessary.

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No different to seeing English prossies slating the Polish and other EE prossies with the notion they are better becuase they are English !

This comes up more than and polish spouting their opinion about blacks and Asians !

Offline Brazilian Martian

I wouldn't let it bother you too much, EE's tend to be a little racist largely due to the culture they're brought up in back home. Just pump and dump and let karma do the rest if necessary.
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Offline Juilius_Sneezer

I wouldn't let it bother you too much, EE's tend to be a little racist largely due to the culture they're brought up in back home. Just pump and dump and let karma do the rest if necessary.

This does sound sweeping and awful but its not too far from the truth. I work with a lot of EE guys and thier attitudes to women and foreigners (including whites) generally are negative. The things they say about Indian guys especially...

Anyway, it depends on what they actually say. Like where I live has a massive Chinese population which has increased massively over maybe 2-3 years  but at the same time we now have decent takeaway and a Chinese supermarket on my doorstep  :thumbsup: They don't mix in the local pubs, you don't see them out at night but they are friendly and certainly beat the aggressive local neds we had before...

Ultimately when it comes to race, imo, don't take what somebody says at quite face value. This song kinda makes the point  ;) External Link/Members Only

Offline PussyLover789

When i put a reverse booking on adultwork i always state that im black, ive seen many profiles which say "i dont see black men due to bad experience" but theres plenty of girls who aint racist so no it doesnt bother me, its only a colour, we are all human and we are all born the same way and bleed the same way, you're not born racist, you're brought up to be racist, that my motto  ;)

Offline Brazilian Martian

How many more off these racist prossie threads do there need to be yes some EE girls dnt meet or like black guys my advise is get over it. It's their body if they dnt like guys outside their own ethnic background then move on plenty more prossies in the sea  :thumbsup:

Offline Bangers and Gash

ive seen many profiles which say "i dont see black men due to bad experience" but theres plenty of girls who aint racist...... you're not born racist, you're brought up to be racist, that my motto  ;)

So what about black pro$$ies who won't see black punters? Are they racist too?

Offline _Bender_

I wouldn't let it bother you too much, EE's tend to be a little racist largely due to the culture they're brought up in back home. Just pump and dump and let karma do the rest if necessary.

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I've had a very reputable polish WG admit to me the only reason that the won't see black gents is her backward polish upbringing. My advice, let it slide, there's better out there !!

Arley Hall

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We're mostly talking about EE girls here I think, but there are exceptions. Yes - it is a bit off-putting - but not enough to prevent me booking the girl or enjoying the sex. I think a lot of it is xenophobia rather than racism in the true sense. These girls come from monocultures where they've had little experience of the ethnic diversity that we take for granted in the UK. This kind of casual racism/xenophobia is common throughout the world in cultures like that. I imagine it's even worse in China, just to take one example.

I think the only time it could possibly be a deal-breaker is if you were after some kind of 'classy' escort or ultra GFE. It wouldn't really work in that case because in the UK we associate racism with being uneducated and backward - which isn't exactly classy!

Offline Silver Birch

I had a punt with a Polish girl last week. It was an hour long and I was recovering after my first pop and we were chatting away about the town we were in when she said that she did not like it as "there are too many blacks and it was like living in Africa".

I was pretty taken aback by this. The town does have a multi-cultural population but around 70% (estimated) would be white British and approx 10% black. I have never seen this as an issue and work with a diverse range of people. I guess it is very different from Poland but it seemed a pretty weird view to express to someone you had just met.

It really put me off her and, although I did manage a round 2, I just wanted to leave asap.

I guess that I am a bit of a fluffy twat who actually wants to like the girl I am fucking and so things like this bother me.

Does anyone else react like this or do I just need to park my feelings at the door?

I don't have any problem with prossies stating they do not see black punters, their choice, but I would not want to have a conversation like this and I would not return.

Offline OakTree



it seemed a pretty weird view to express to someone you had just met.


I find it more odd to be balls deep in someone I've just met.   :)

Back on point though, to be honest I really couldn't care less. I avoid conversations on race, politics and religion and anything of a high brow nature. I mainly converse about trivia and nonsense. If they were to get on such subjects, I wouldn't get involved but it wouldn't shock or offend me.

James999

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I had a punt with a Polish girl last week. It was an hour long and I was recovering after my first pop and we were chatting away about the town we were in when she said that she did not like it as "there are too many blacks and it was like living in Africa".

Perhaps she had a reason, a bad experience  :unknown:

Anyway what are you her client or her social worker  :wacko:

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In any walk of life I don't especially like being around people with prejudiced attitudes, but as others have said, sometimes it's deeply ingrained because of where someone grew up.  So yes, it bothers me and I will always try to steer conversation away from things like this (politics, religion, race etc - and in any case, they aren't exactly the most hot and steamy conversations to get me in the right mood).

The worst example of this I ever had was years ago - a girl who didn't seem to like the fact that I wasn't buying her 9/11 conspiracy theories (I'm not quite sure why I got so involved in that conversation either, apart from that none of her argument was based on any kind of fact or evidence, which really bugs me when you talk to anyone).  By the end of that conversation, it was clear that I didn't like her on any level and she felt much the same way.  Crap BJ, crap punt, no sex. 

After that I resolved that any conversation with WGs should always be steered back towards 'what do we both like sexually', should never go any deeper than the classic 'going anywhere nice on holiday?' conversation you might have with a hairdresser, and that if in doubt, I should express no opinions on anything a WG has to say.

Offline pumps

Yes EE's tend to be racist & I've heard the worst comments from the poles - but they're the cum buckets at the end of the day - so I forgive their ignorance it can't be helped  :sarcastic:

Type_O_Negative

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"there are too many blacks and it was like living in Africa" - well i know many white English people who say things like this one.

A few years ago John Cleese said London is not an English city anymore.
A few years ago Morrisey said he doesn't like giving gigs in London anymore because...

Integral

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So what about black pro$$ies who won't see black punters? Are they racist too?

I remember the profile of one black WG (can't remember her name, but was in London), saying in her FAQ she had stopped seeing black men as one time her uncle had turned up as a punter... :scare:
I think I read something similar on a Manchester asian girls's profile, that she wouldn't see Asian men as they may know her in real life.

Agree completely with the points upthread about EE girls not being exposed to diversity (apart from Hungarians,  oddly). I think racism is a bit more forgivable / understandable if it's borne out of cultural factors rather than the individual being a nasty piece of work.

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One Polish girl told me she only ever saw one black guy but was completely freaked out with it and so wouldn't see any more.  It wasn't anything he did it was just where she came from in Poland she'd never seen any before so it made her really uncomfortable.

I wouldn't say that was racist per se - just a preference. 

I expect girls that have been living here longer get over it.

Offline tdh

One Polish girl told me she only ever saw one black guy but was completely freaked out with it and so wouldn't see any more.  It wasn't anything he did it was just where she came from in Poland she'd never seen any before so it made her really uncomfortable.

I wouldn't say that was racist per se - just a preference. 

I expect girls that have been living here longer get over it.


I  bet she took his money before being freaked out  :crazy: :crazy:

Offline two20

I had a date with an English nurse once and she mentioned something about too many Blacks, I was dumbstruck. But, recently after that I saw a Midwife and I mentioned something about Chavs and she looked mortified. I guess we all have our prejudices.

Offline Happylad

I`m not in any way racist - just 3 degrees to the right of Genghis Khan politically and socially, so they can say whatever they like about other races and I`ll simply smile and agree with them. Everyone is entitled to have their own opinion as long as they don`t deliberately set out to cause offence.

Offline Azucar D Artagnan

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I had a punt with a Polish girl last week. It was an hour long and I was recovering after my first pop and we were chatting away about the town we were in when she said that she did not like it as "there are too many blacks and it was like living in Africa

Are you  against freedom of speech ? As a Brasilian i'm wondering when the last English person will be seen in London ? and I note that you were paying to fuck a white European and not a beautiful mulata or Asian  ? We laugh about you white lemmings  so terrorfied of standing up for your country and  your perverse introverted racism . Go to Luton and tell me you admire your society . Stop preaching and feigning superiority . She sounds like a switched on girl who sees 20/20 not with spectacles prescribed by the thought police and worn by a coward  !

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I  bet she took his money before being freaked out  :crazy: :crazy:

Oh of course she took the money it's either that or stacking shelves back home for minimum wage in krakow  :hi:

Arley Hall

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For me, if I'm honest, this has more to do with what it says about the girl than the the rights and wrongs of multiculturalism, immigration, etc. If she's Polish (say) I don't think it tells me much because I already know that most of them are a bit xenophobic. I make allowances for that and judge them by different standards. If she were a Brit, on the other hand, it would indicate to me that she was the sort of person I wouldn't normally have much to do with in civvy life - so that would put me slightly outside my comfort zone. Having said that, if she was really hot I could probably get over it!

Offline smiths

I had a punt with a Polish girl last week. It was an hour long and I was recovering after my first pop and we were chatting away about the town we were in when she said that she did not like it as "there are too many blacks and it was like living in Africa".

I was pretty taken aback by this. The town does have a multi-cultural population but around 70% (estimated) would be white British and approx 10% black. I have never seen this as an issue and work with a diverse range of people. I guess it is very different from Poland but it seemed a pretty weird view to express to someone you had just met.

It really put me off her and, although I did manage a round 2, I just wanted to leave asap.

I guess that I am a bit of a fluffy twat who actually wants to like the girl I am fucking and so things like this bother me.

Does anyone else react like this or do I just need to park my feelings at the door?

I don't listen to the bollocks many WGs spout at a punt so they might be banging on in a racist way but I am their for sex so that's what I am concentrating on. I would rather not hear blatant racism but as I am not in a relationship with a WG I can live with it.

The fact is a WG has the choice and must always have the choice of who she wishes to punt with so if she excludes certain races its ultimately up to her. Racism will only be reduced by education which takes years and by the time a person is 18 chances are their views are formed already, parents views playing a big factor as does cultural factors.

I have sympathy for genuine ethnic minority punters who get refused because one or more of their race caused a WG trouble or the WG wont punt with people of their race at all but hopefully they can find a WG who will.

mikexxlong

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Personally I don’t give a shit

People are entitled to their own opinion, thoughts and feelings

Only when people use unjustified actions or try to impose their beliefs, it becomes a concern to me

Offline tazz

High percentage of prossies arent well educated and will spout racists shit, have to admit im suprised they do to a punter when they dont know what his views on the subject are. Had one english 19 year old who had been to a private school in use the phrase paki for describing certain group of people. I asked her is she was racists and she denied it. She also didnt like poles or eastern europeans. Cant say i want to screw a women whose spouting racist shit as im from an ethnic background and dead against it.

vw

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High percentage of prossies arent well educated and will spout racists shit, have to admit im suprised they do to a punter when they dont know what his views on the subject are. Had one english 19 year old who had been to a private school in use the phrase paki for describing certain group of people. I asked her is she was racists and she denied it. She also didnt like poles or eastern europeans. Cant say i want to screw a women whose spouting racist shit as im from an ethnic background and dead against it.

Did you fuck her or leave then ?

Offline tazz

She made these views known well into the booking.

Offline EricJ

When I was younger I would get shocked at how racist the whites, Asians, eastern euros were towards black people in the UK. I never understood why. Did black people do something to these nations? No. They are just horrible people and the world is filled with these scum.

You have to accept it and move on.

vw

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When I was younger I would get shocked at how racist the whites, Asians, eastern euros were towards black people in the UK. I never understood why. Did black people do something to these nations? No. They are just horrible people and the world is filled with these scum.

You have to accept it and move on.

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Offline peter purves

I am of the view that people including racists are entitled to hold whatever view they so choose and even to express it if they so choose. I understand the dangers of that but nonetheless this is my position.

I am not one of those who believe that it is the woman's body she can choose what she would like to do with it response as a pretext to suggest that they are not in any way racist either.

Personally, if I was to hear such comments that the original poster heard and if it is also said with such vehemence then it would definitely be a mood killer for me before the punt. After the punt I suspect things would be different perhaps because I am feeling  :dance:
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Offline Horizontal pleasures

If racism worries you then avoid some of the off-topic threads on here.

this is the latest one:
https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=96556.0
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Offline jamal2k94

It doesn't bother me at all I have to say, I always tell the girl I am black, if she doesn't want to see me then that's absolutely fine. I think getting hung up about it isn't worth the time of day to be honest.

Offline mrfishyfoo

I find that it's kind of difficult for a girl to say anything when my cock is down her throat.  :diablo: :diablo:

If she does start saying stuff I don't like the sound of I remind her that I ain't there for talking I am there for sucking and fucking.

vw

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It doesn't bother me at all I have to say, I always tell the girl I am black, if she doesn't want to see me then that's absolutely fine. I think getting hung up about it isn't worth the time of day to be honest.

Well better than them wasting your time or giving you crap service honesty is the best policy !

raylondoner

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I find that it's kind of difficult for a girl to say anything when my cock is down her throat.  :diablo: :diablo:

If she does start saying stuff I don't like the sound of I remind her that I ain't there for talking I am there for sucking and fucking.

You sound like a girl's dream punter!   :hi:

Offline mrfishyfoo

You sound like a girl's dream punter!   :hi:

Ha !! Ha !! When I am paying £150ph I ain't interested in talking.  :drinks:

Andre 3000

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I've only had one WG who brought ethnicity up whilst we were having a mid meet break she mentioned that she has never found asian men attractive so could never sleep with one. She was from Abbey Wood area anyone who knows that area can guess what kind of woman she was. Sexy but dumb ditzy as hell.

I think most punters find it distasteful because we're paying for a fantasy not to be informed of a WG opinions on race.

Offline Fasting

It bothers me, yes. We all know how this attitude would be viewed in any other business. Shop, restaurant -- imagine the media fuss!

Though I am more forgiving of racism from those brought up outside of the West. I've heard well-educated Poles make similar remarks about black people  :dash:

Offline Fasting

I wonder whether the racism of some WGs is simple minded (i.e. blanket distrust of race-X), or is based on things like sexual health demographics (e.g. HIV is more prevalent in straight black men than straight white men in UK -- see External Link/Members Only) . Or sexual violence demographics etc.

E.g. I know for a fact certain female WGs will not see punters with transsexual-prossie feedback, as they are regarded as high-risk regarding sexual health (and they are, relatively speaking)

Offline Ali Katt

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I had a punt with a Polish girl last week. It was an hour long and I was recovering after my first pop and we were chatting away about the town we were in when she said that she did not like it as "there are too many blacks and it was like living in Africa".
Is it racism if she is factually accurate? If you showed a person from Poland or another Eastern European country, that has not visited England pictures of Tower Hamlets and asked them to guess where it was would they say it was London or Baghdad?

I saw one mature prostitute who used the word paki a few times, the irony being she claimed to have a Turkish boyfriend, so no idea why she held those views. Also saw a mixed race escort who constantly referred to EEs as third world citizens clearly sour grapes on her part given she was way past her prime.

TBH I think politics shouldn't be brought up on a punt by either the prossie or punter.


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It bothers me, yes. We all know how this attitude would be viewed in any other business. Shop, restaurant -- imagine the media fuss!

Though I am more forgiving of racism from those brought up outside of the West. I've heard well-educated Poles make similar remarks about black people  :dash:
A restaurant owner doesn't suck every customer's dick. You cannot compare it, as punting is an unnatural situation. How many times have you phoned someone you didn't know up and were shagging them 30 minutes later, other than the likes of Tinder (which is also an abnormal situation) it doesn't really happen.

I think this thread is unfair to Polish people, I've met plenty of Polish mudsharks with ugly nappy haired kids.

WhattheFlip

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I do knid of get slightly uncomfortable when i see "sorry i don't see blak/asian/jawaese men", but I'm white so don't really give a shit. I'm more concerned when I see profiles of girls who say they only see men between 25-45 in good physical shape. Seriously. You want to be paid to shag guys you'd date? Even if I were in shape I wouldn't see these dickheads, you know she'd find some reason not to give you good service. Some girls really don't get the fundamental idea of this industry do they? The money means you have no standards outside basic hygiene and politeness. Shouldn't matter what he looks like (including race really), you should fuck him like you love him regardless!

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Forgive me ! it may be my age , but why on earth would a guy who's having sex with a prostitue behind his wife and kids / family friends backs give a shit if a w g has decided she can't cope with having sex with black / Asian / Japanese / white / dwarfs / larger guys/ skinny guys /  t v's / lorry drivers etc ? Ok don't moan about it but who realy gives a shit, political correctness hits punting, we have a conscience do we ? I can not book over weight girls, just can't do it, I can't book black girls, as in say Nigerian ( and yes I have booked a black girl and she was great ) none of us like all the same things, we all have preferences, live with it and please leave the lefty morals at the door, I get enough of this on question time , cheers.

Arley Hall

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lefty morals

There's more than enough 'righty' morals on this site. (See the off-topic board.) It's refreshing to read about some lefty ones for a change!

The fact is that girls have the right to say whatever they like and see whomever they like - but we punters also have the right to dislike it, and avoid booking them if we feel strongly enough about it.

Leveve

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I can remember racist comments to me in conversation on four punts over the 5 years I've punted, so I get the sense there's a fair amount of it out there,
A Romanian describing how she turned away a black guy with an argument ensuing,
A white Mancunian who totally despised Pakistanis and claimed she narrowly escaped an attempted kidnapping once,
An African mixed race who said the men in her native country were too lazy and the good farms had all gone to shit since the  revolution (you might guess the country),
A British Asian escort who wouldn't see Asians anymore due to too many with an angry, aggressive attitude towards her.
Honestly for my part none of this bothered me at all, just not my battle to fight and  I'm not the 'thought police' for other people.

Arley Hall

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Honestly for my part none of this bothered me at all, just not my battle to fight and  I'm not the 'thought police' for other people.

Actually my reaction would probably have been similar to yours. I don't tend to use the word 'racist' lightly. For me a racist is somebody who believes that certain races are intrinsically (i.e. genetically) superior to others. Only a few head-bangers beieve that nowadays (in the UK at least) - though it was a commonly held belief 50 or more years ago. The sorts of comments you describe are more a criticism of cultures rather than races and, let's face it, some cultures are more attractive than others. The culture of white Nazi Germany was very unattrative, for example - but if somebody were to point that out I wouldn't think they were claiming that whites, as a race, are inferior. If criticism of other cultures is based on ignorance rather than experience I would prefer to describe it as 'xenophobia' rather than 'racism'.

As I've said before I tend to be forgiving of EE girls' xenophobia, because it stems from the culture they've grown up in. If Brit girls are xenophobic or racist, however, it suggests to me that they may be a bit rough - which isn't exactly what I want in a WG.
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Offline jsparky

I wouldn't say I am bother by racist WGs, but I stay away from these bigoted people. I punt for the sexual pleasure not moralising other people opinions/attitudes.

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As I've said before I tend to be forgiving of EE girls' xenophobia, because it stems from the culture they've grown up in. If Brit girls are xenophobic or racist, however, it suggests to me that they may be a bit rough - which isn't exactly what I want in a WG.
You are right on the difference between xenophobia and racism, but to imply it is down to ignorance or class is nonsense. Most people don't like people of a certain race or nationality because they have met them.