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Author Topic: Personal security whilst punting  (Read 3091 times)

Offline WaitingforGodot

This issue of pimps keeps being raised.  In almost four decades of punting, I've met the grand total of three pimps.  In the first case, I ended up round at his home, having tea with him and his wife.  In the other two cases, I shared a nice cup of tea and a lengthy chat about life.  Do you all consistently run into threatening pimps?  As noted, I don't (and I've punted for a long time.)  If you do, I have been very lucky because it's far from my experience.  Keeping raising this issue as if it is a real and regular threat, it seems to me, is only going to fuel the paranoia of those inclined in that direction.
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Offline Cunning Punt

I would suggest that not doing outcalls to your place solely because of fear of being ripped off is not a response appropriate to the risk.  Of course, it's entirely up to you which decisions you make for yourself and I wouldn't attempt to influence them.  I'm just saying let's be objective about the subject matter.

In terms of keeping our hobby secret obviously being single and not being friends with the neighbours beyond the passing acquaintanceship inevitably involved, domestic privacy is not an issue for me in that sense.

Privacy may not be an issue for you, but it is for some. That's the point. Just because others are in a different situation to you doesn't make it paranoia
While the risks may be low, many of us think 'what's the point of potentially putting ourselves in that position?'

As I said, fear of being ripped off isn't the only concern about outcalls.
My home is home, my hobby is done elsewhere and I like going to different places.

If I were paranoid about being ripped off/beaten up, I wouldn't punt at all, incall or outcall. It's about minimising a variety of risks, which also includes going on reviews/feedback here, avoiding dodgy-looking AW profiles and, in terms of health, avoiding known barebackers





Offline RedKettle

I have not read all of the thread so sorry if repeating, but

Security is a personal matter for each of us to determine according to our circumstances and personalities.  What this site does is warn us of the dangers and give advice to follow should we chose to.  That is better than how I was before UKP when I was naively taking risks without thinking about it.

An example being the point raised by the OP - I had not considered it and have now.  Decided I am not bothered and will take the risk, which is fine and others can do something else if they wish.  But at least it prompted the thought.

I suspect for some on here (or at least 1 high profile member) it is a security decision not to post reviews, and again that is fine.

Offline WaitingforGodot

Yes, it is fine.  Can I be clear that my posts in this thread have been to raise issues and ask questions and engender an objective discussion of the risks; the aim has NOT been to persuade anyone that I'm right and they're wrong.  Often, in Internet forums, it is assumed that when you post you're view you're trying to win an argument but this has not been my intention.  I have merely tried to point out the conclusions I have reached from many years of punting experience.  It is up to others to judge for themselves how to act, and whether or not they find my contributions useful or influential.
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Offline Garden69

Yes, it is fine.  Can I be clear that my posts in this thread have been to raise issues and ask questions and engender an objective discussion of the risks; the aim has NOT been to persuade anyone that I'm right and they're wrong.  Often, in Internet forums, it is assumed that when you post you're view you're trying to win an argument but this has not been my intention.  I have merely tried to point out the conclusions I have reached from many years of punting experience.  It is up to others to judge for themselves how to act, and whether or not they find my contributions useful or influential.

Well put Sir. I lift my virtual hat off to you  :hi:

Offline Diehard

This was something that struck me , when I go to a meet I never carry any ID,credit cards, a strict punting only phone, and of course the exact agreed amount of cash, now what I thought as getting older if anything untoward should happen ,illness, accident, or whatever  by the very nature of what your doing the WG is not going to know who you are, where your from, or any real ID information. If your in the car they could trace you that's assuming they know were it's parked. Am I the only one whose thought about this or is it just me worrying about my own mortality. That would be a very awkward conversation with the family after the event. :unknown:

Sensible precautions. I park the car at least half a mile away and simply take the cash I need and punting phone.

The day you relax and think you can trust a hooker is the day your pockets get picked and she gets your ID and then the blackmails start. Never trust a hooker.

Offline WaitingforGodot

Sensible precautions. I park the car at least half a mile away and simply take the cash I need and punting phone.

The day you relax and think you can trust a hooker is the day your pockets get picked and she gets your ID and then the blackmails start. Never trust a hooker.

39 years punting, 0 blackmail attempts.  My way isn't for everyone but I can only conclude from the above that you enjoy walking for no particular reason.
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Sensible precautions. I park the car at least half a mile away and simply take the cash I need and punting phone.

The day you relax and think you can trust a hooker is the day your pockets get picked and she gets your ID and then the blackmails start. Never trust a hooker.

I went to see a Romanian girl in Cromwell Road, Cambridge and parked my car right in front of her (or perhaps I should say their , because there were several girls there ) house on what used to be the front garden.

Little did I know that the residents had complained to the police  and the house was raided soon after my visit.

The house looked like a crack den and I was in two minds about whether  to go in or not, but Luitza was soooo lovely, I couldn't help my self, stupid fool that I am.

I was very, very worried that perhaps a resident or neighbor had photographed my car/numberplate. Gave me a few sleepless nights.




Sensible precautions. I park the car at least half a mile away and simply take the cash I need and punting phone.

Half a mile away??  Perhaps that IS a little paranoia  :D

Half a mile away??  Perhaps that IS a little paranoia  :D
+1 ,I only travel by tube to my punts so not something I have to worry about,I always use a punting phone but will often take my normal phone (switched off) and my wallet with me especially if it's a girl I have seen before

Offline Sonny Crockett

I travel by train to punts so I always have everything with me, which I understand is risky. Fortunately I never had any problems.
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Offline fairfield

This issue of pimps keeps being raised.  In almost four decades of punting, I've met the grand total of three pimps.  In the first case, I ended up round at his home, having tea with him and his wife.  In the other two cases, I shared a nice cup of tea and a lengthy chat about life.  Do you all consistently run into threatening pimps?  As noted, I don't (and I've punted for a long time.)  If you do, I have been very lucky because it's far from my experience.  Keeping raising this issue as if it is a real and regular threat, it seems to me, is only going to fuel the paranoia of those inclined in that direction.
I do respect your punting experience and credentials, but sadly we seem to be punting in very different universes.
Just 4 months in and mere total of 11 punts, i have 'met' pimps twice. Very first punt had a hatchet faced EE madam barring way out to the front door - a B & S job where the switch was more afraid of the madam than me. No chance of walking without a bust up.
Third punt had chinese pimp and madam parked right outside exit door. Another B & S, - this time switch spoke no english, so had the madam outside shouting at me down the WG's phone to pay up.
Idea of sitting down for "a cup of tea" with these people fills me with dread, never mind the nightmare of inviting them round to mine.
If only i'd had enough paranoia early on, i might of avoided these situations.  Sorry but after a rubber, have come to believe a good dose of paranoia is a punters best protection. 

Offline Arley Hall

This issue of pimps keeps being raised.  In almost four decades of punting, I've met the grand total of three pimps.  In the first case, I ended up round at his home, having tea with him and his wife.  In the other two cases, I shared a nice cup of tea and a lengthy chat about life.  Do you all consistently run into threatening pimps?  As noted, I don't (and I've punted for a long time.)  If you do, I have been very lucky because it's far from my experience.  Keeping raising this issue as if it is a real and regular threat, it seems to me, is only going to fuel the paranoia of those inclined in that direction.

Like you - almost four decades of punting - and I've never met or seen a single pimp as far as I'm aware. Admittedly 99.9% of my punts have been in London and the SE ..... but even so. Obviously if people say they are encountering pimps then it must be the case - but I wonder if there are also some folks who get a bit of a thrill out of imagining that there are pimps lurking around. It makes punting feel like some kind of urban video game. Apart from the fact that it's generating unnecessary paranoia, the other thing that concerns me about all this pimp-talk is that it plays into the hands of the pro-criminalisation lobby. Pimps = coercion ..... etc etc etc.

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Offline Diehard

Half a mile away??  Perhaps that IS a little paranoia  :D

Better safe than sorry

Offline Diehard

I do respect your punting experience and credentials, but sadly we seem to be punting in very different universes.
Just 4 months in and mere total of 11 punts, i have 'met' pimps twice. Very first punt had a hatchet faced EE madam barring way out to the front door - a B & S job where the switch was more afraid of the madam than me. No chance of walking without a bust up.
Third punt had chinese pimp and madam parked right outside exit door. Another B & S, - this time switch spoke no english, so had the madam outside shouting at me down the WG's phone to pay up.
Idea of sitting down for "a cup of tea" with these people fills me with dread, never mind the nightmare of inviting them round to mine.
If only i'd had enough paranoia early on, i might of avoided these situations.  Sorry but after a rubber, have come to believe a good dose of paranoia is a punters best protection.

I'd love to know what gentleman you quoted punted in most regularly as it certainly can't have been the 21st century.

A cup of tea with the pimp? Was that chargeable time I wonder.

My experience of pimps is somewhat different and does not involve cups of tea.

Offline WaitingforGodot

I'd love to know what gentleman you quoted punted in most regularly as it certainly can't have been the 21st century.

A cup of tea with the pimp? Was that chargeable time I wonder.

My experience of pimps is somewhat different and does not involve cups of tea.

On the contrary, my four decades of punting suggests that you are the one who's punting in the 19th century.  Modern parlour owners with their websites, their Photoshopped imagery, their discount schemes and their Twitter feeds have realised that being a professional businessman pays financial dividends.  If you provide a safe, comfortable, friendly and discreet environment you'll reap the rewards.  Sure, if you're dumb enough to see solo Asian girls in bedsits or EE exports in hotels there's a greater chance you'll expose yourself to risk at the sharp end of the market but anyone with half a brain doesn't go to those outlets.

No, the cup of tea wasn't chargeable time.  The pimp simply noted that he'd seen me often enough in his venue to know I was a regular customer and he was always interested in feedback from his regulars.  In fact, the next Christmas, I was offered a freebie (which I declined) as thanks for my business over the year.  Your view is extremely jaded and suggests that a). you're punting in the wrong places with the wrong sorts of WGs and b). you don't have broad exposure to the industry.  It's extremely ironic that someone who defines themselves as paranoid seems inclined the punt in the sort of places and with the sort of girls who are MOST likely to cause him problems.  Why?  It's not like there aren't a myriad of safe, high-quality alternatives available.
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Offline Arley Hall

I travel by train to punts so I always have everything with me, which I understand is risky. Fortunately I never had any problems.

Likewise - I always have everything with me and have never had any problems.

If you went into a restaurant and the waiter offered to hang up your jacket you'd probably take your wallet out of your pocket before handing it over. You need to use basic common sense wherever you are - a WG's flat is no different from any other unfamiliar place away from home.
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Offline Diehard

On the contrary, my four decades of punting suggests that you are the one who's punting in the 19th century.  Modern parlour owners with their websites, their Photoshopped imagery, their discount schemes and their Twitter feeds have realised that being a professional businessman pays financial dividends.  If you provide a safe, comfortable, friendly and discreet environment you'll reap the rewards.  Sure, if you're dumb enough to see solo Asian girls in bedsits or EE exports in hotels there's a greater chance you'll expose yourself to risk at the sharp end of the market but anyone with half a brain doesn't go to those outlets.

No, the cup of tea wasn't chargeable time.  The pimp simply noted that he'd seen me often enough in his venue to know I was a regular customer and he was always interested in feedback from his regulars.  In fact, the next Christmas, I was offered a freebie (which I declined) as thanks for my business over the year.  Your view is extremely jaded and suggests that a). you're punting in the wrong places with the wrong sorts of WGs and b). you don't have broad exposure to the industry.  It's extremely ironic that someone who defines themselves as paranoid seems inclined the punt in the sort of places and with the sort of girls who are MOST likely to cause him problems.  Why?  It's not like there aren't a myriad of safe, high-quality alternatives available.

Perhaps you would care to enlighten us all to the names and whereabouts of these amazing ultra safe parlours to which you refer.

Offline Diehard

Like you - almost four decades of punting - and I've never met or seen a single pimp as far as I'm aware. Admittedly 99.9% of my punts have been in London and the SE ..... but even so. Obviously if people say they are encountering pimps then it must be the case - but I wonder if there are also some folks who get a bit of a thrill out of imagining that there are pimps lurking around. It makes punting feel like some kind of urban video game. Apart from the fact that it's generating unnecessary paranoia, the other thing that concerns me about all this pimp-talk is that it plays into the hands of the pro-criminalisation lobby. Pimps = coercion ..... etc etc etc.

This is an interesting perception. Are you suggesting that most hookers are not run by someone in the background?

Offline WaitingforGodot

Perhaps you would care to enlighten us all to the names and whereabouts of these amazing ultra safe parlours to which you refer.

House of Divine
Annabellas MK
MK Escorts
Soft Touch Bodyworks
Massage Northampton
The Hot Box
One 2 One Escorts

Shall I go on?
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Offline WaitingforGodot

This is an interesting perception. Are you suggesting that most hookers are not run by someone in the background?

No.  I think he's suggesting that the person in the background isn't remotely interested in you for any reason other than encouraging his customers to keep coming back.  Just like any other business.  Don't you think the average pimp has better things to do than threaten his source of income?
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Offline WaitingforGodot

Diehard I am starting to wonder whether you are a real punter, or just someone who very occasionally plucks up the courage to pay for sex and then revels in the dangerous experience he's exposed himself to, half scared shitless and half thinking "aren't I a lad?"  Your posts in this thread suggest absolutely minimal understanding of or exposure to "the business."
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Offline sigmund

Managing small risks is something we all do all the time, its not paranoia. I drive at least 50 miles a day,have done for several decades, so far I've not been involved in any serious accidents but I drive a safe car and every time I get in the car I put my seatbelt on, even if it wasn't law I would do the same, not because I'm paranoid but because its sensible to take precautions against uncommon risks, agreed its unlikely they might happen but if they do it could be dreadful. Obviously you can't protect yourself entirely but there is no reason to not to do whatever makes you feel as secure as possible.

As it is I am pretty sure these girls are more interested in our money than our cocks so its not unreasonable to assume that there will be a proportion who would exploit any possibility of getting at the former without having to deal with the latter. 
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Offline Diehard

Diehard I am starting to wonder whether you are a real punter, or just someone who very occasionally plucks up the courage to pay for sex and then revels in the dangerous experience he's exposed himself to, half scared shitless and half thinking "aren't I a lad?"  Your posts in this thread suggest absolutely minimal understanding of or exposure to "the business."

I'm beginning to wonder if you are perhaps yourself a pimp judging by your defence of the scumbags and increasingly irritated posts.

Oh, some of the parlours you listed I wouldn't go near with a barge pole, they are anything but discreet! So in respect of questioning people's so called credentials, let's just say I have more than a few suspicions about you.

Offline Diehard

Managing small risks is something we all do all the time, its not paranoia. I drive at least 50 miles a day,have done for several decades, so far I've not been involved in any serious accidents but I drive a safe car and every time I get in the car I put my seatbelt on, even if it wasn't law I would do the same, not because I'm paranoid but because its sensible to take precautions against uncommon risks, agreed its unlikely they might happen but if they do it could be dreadful. Obviously you can't protect yourself entirely but there is no reason to not to do whatever makes you feel as secure as possible.

As it is I am pretty sure these girls are more interested in our money than our cocks so its not unreasonable to assume that there will be a proportion who would exploit any possibility of getting at the former without having to deal with the latter.

Precisely, you don't need to be sigmund Freud to work that out either.


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