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Offline Marmalade

Why Sex Workers are Losing Their Homes and Life Savings in Police Raids

Legalised theft basically...

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seward

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Looks like the boys in blue have found another cash cow more lucrative than the other old favourite speed awareness courses, bet if they didn't get any of the proceeds they'd keep turning a blind eye and taking backhanders instead. :hi:

Offline smiths

Why Sex Workers are Losing Their Homes and Life Savings in Police Raids

Legalised theft basically...

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Interesting article Marm thanks. :thumbsup: Don't work in a brothel, work solely alone at all times is the best way to mitigate this happening, though I know some WGs cant afford their own premises so work at a brothel instead. One case mentioned Jenny of Guildford is SashaB, well known on another punting forum a few years back who ran a number of brothels in and around that area, one of her premises was indeed robbed by scum so the police were called but they were much more interested in doing her than catching the robbers who were never caught as far as I know. She literally lost everything through POCA and her conviction. The law rightly or wrongly is very clear, being a pimp and running a brothel/s is a crime so I have little sympathy for those pimps that get done, but I do have some sympathy for WGs who get done over by POCA who are just WGs and not involved in running a brothel.

Offline smiths

Looks like the boys in blue have found another cash cow more lucrative than the other old favourite speed awareness courses, bet if they didn't get any of the proceeds they'd keep turning a blind eye and taking backhanders instead. :hi:

POCA also gets assets off seriously dangerous criminals as well so I see it as a good thing in principle, its just the police will often go for easy nicks which brothels are, and the WGs mentioned in the article.

What the police can do is let a brothel operate and make money then raid it under POCA at any time they choose to, its a very neat way of helping balancing their budgets. In fact I am amazed many more brothels aren't raided under POCA.

Offline Marmalade

We had a short bout of it here in Scotland with a new head of police, thankfully now gone. Lined the WGs up outside in the cold while they searched, found condoms and things took ALL the money the girls had AND their mobile phones and for many foreign girls especially that left them destitute and in shock, unable to contact anyone. Phones and money weren't returned. Within weeks, the managements (who were actually respected in the community) were replaced by experienced criminals. When laws allow such abuses, they are bad laws.
« Last Edit: April 07, 2016, 12:52:49 pm by Marmalade »

cockneybstrd

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We had a short bout of it here in Scotland with a new head of police, thankfully now gone. Lined the WGs up outside in the cold while they searched, found condoms and things took ALL the money the girls had AND their mobile phones and for many foreign girls especially that left them destitute and in shock, unable to contact anyone. Phones and money weren't returned. Within weeks, the managements (who were actually respected in the community) were replaced by experienced criminals. When laws allow such abuses, they are bad laws.

I bet that cunts pockets were bulging when he left office....

Offline adindas

They are aiming at easy target … This Prostitutes do not do any harm to public, some of them are doing it to feed their children, family ....  Sad ....

Why do not they focus on hardcore drug dealers, Criminal Gang, traffickers, clip joint operators ??

Offline webpunter

Why do not they focus on hardcore drug dealers, Criminal Gang, traffickers, clip joint operators ??
And members of parliament / the establishment who like to hide their wealth & income offshore

Offline Marmalade

They are aiming at easy target … This Prostitutes do not do any harm to public, some of them are doing it to feed their children, family ....  Sad ....

Why do not they focus on hardcore drug dealers, Criminal Gang, traffickers, clip joint operators ??
Hmmmm.... do you mean people that fight back??  :scare:

LL

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So what happens to the money then? I.e what is it spent on? If it just goes to HMRC then surely this is another argument for an entirely legalised system of prostitution. If it were all legitimate then the state could take their cut from every registered brothel without having to go to the trouble of surveillance and raids. If the state is already benefitting from brothels at the moment then why not formalise that process and make it entirely transparent to the public?

Offline thefoxman

A few years ago I was involved in a case where the recovered money was over £1million
- the judge ordered 80k to go the the police  to recompense for investigation,
and the rest  went to the treasury.

LL

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A few years ago I was involved in a case where the recovered money was over £1million
- the judge ordered 80k to go the the police  to recompense for investigation,
and the rest  went to the treasury.
Care to elaborate on your involvement in the case? I'm not trying to be what they'd call in America a smart-ass :D. I am genuinely interested.

Offline Marmalade

So what happens to the money then? I.e what is it spent on? If it just goes to HMRC then surely this is another argument for an entirely legalised system of prostitution. If it were all legitimate then the state could take their cut from every registered brothel without having to go to the trouble of surveillance and raids. If the state is already benefitting from brothels at the moment then why not formalise that process and make it entirely transparent to the public?
That might perhaps be better. I've heard it's 20% the police get to keep and it's possibly a long-winded process until it gets into their coffers -- or not (?) --the theory is that it is used 'to help the fight against crime' -- but concerns have been raised. e.g. External Link/Members Only

WaitingforGodot

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Looks like the boys in blue have found another cash cow more lucrative than the other old favourite speed awareness courses, bet if they didn't get any of the proceeds they'd keep turning a blind eye and taking backhanders instead. :hi:

This raises the interesting question: What's more enjoyable, a speed awareness course or an hour with one of Sergei's girls?

Offline hullad

It comes as no suprise to me, the police have always taken a moral position about prostitution. They have far too many senior officers with serious religeous back grounds and add in the freemasons and you have bigotry. In Humberside police area in Hull parlours are left alone if they are run well, everywhere else they are persecuted. In Hull the red light area is now a no go area for prossies and punters , they issue banning orders for being in the area. One girl had a prison sentence for breaking the order.

Why persecute anyone for what us for the main a legal occupation ....

Offline Poopster

This raises the interesting question: What's more enjoyable, a speed awareness course or an hour with one of Sergei's girls?

It's minor, but I think the meaning is better conveyed with "less enjoyable" substituted in there.

Offline Horizontal pleasures

Interesting article Marm thanks. :thumbsup: Don't work in a brothel, work solely alone at all times is the best way to mitigate this happening, though I know some WGs cant afford their own premises so work at a brothel instead. One case mentioned Jenny of Guildford is SashaB, well known on another punting forum a few years back who ran a number of brothels in and around that area, one of her premises was indeed robbed by scum so the police were called but they were much more interested in doing her than catching the robbers who were never caught as far as I know. She literally lost everything through POCA and her conviction. The law rightly or wrongly is very clear, being a pimp and running a brothel/s is a crime so I have little sympathy for those pimps that get done, but I do have some sympathy for WGs who get done over by POCA who are just WGs and not involved in running a brothel.

You are right mister Smiths about sharing premises and this relates to my suggestion in another thread that the housing price crisis is causing problems for working ladies. https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=91683.0 .
If they cannot afford their own place they create a brothel by working in pairs.

Of course from the other side of my brain I adore the occasional duo ....

HP

James999

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Running a brothel is illegal, as is dealing in drugs or guns, and the confiscation of the proceeds of crime is logical otherwise it encourages crime on the basis that it does pay, you wouldn't want a drug dealer to keep his profits and just get a slap on the wrist for his crimes surely?

Offline smiths

So what happens to the money then? I.e what is it spent on? If it just goes to HMRC then surely this is another argument for an entirely legalised system of prostitution. If it were all legitimate then the state could take their cut from every registered brothel without having to go to the trouble of surveillance and raids. If the state is already benefitting from brothels at the moment then why not formalise that process and make it entirely transparent to the public?

It gets split between the police, cps and hmrc so I read elsewhere a few years back, hmrc have first dibs though so if the amount owing to them is most of the POCA order they get it all. An entirely legalised system of prostitution so making RLDs and brothels legal is a moral decision rather than about common sense ultimately.

Offline Horizontal pleasures

I was at Cynthia Payne's when she was raided but Old Bill did not take the cash and some say that she had clients from Old Bill out of uniform.

Offline smiths

I was at Cynthia Payne's when she was raided but Old Bill did not take the cash and some say that she had clients from Old Bill out of uniform.

POCA wasn't around then but they could of taken the cash and impounded it until conviction, no idea who would of then got it, probably went towards the Met Commissioners retirement fund. IMO its very likely loads of brothels have old bill punting in them and for free, for a pimp that's a small price to pay for keeping them sweet. Point is I wont stop a raid if that's what is decided by top cops. Of course Divine who runs HOD and other brothels in MK is ex old bill as he has posted many times, seeing his lack of getting nicked I assume that has helped him though a couple of his brothels in MK were raided a few years back, neither were closed down though with a closure order and were back open the next day.

Barry Shipton

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Running a brothel is illegal, as is dealing in drugs or guns, and the confiscation of the proceeds of crime is logical otherwise it encourages crime on the basis that it does pay, you wouldn't want a drug dealer to keep his profits and just get a slap on the wrist for his crimes surely?
There's no legal way to earn loads of money from flogging drugs (well not unless you are Pfizer flogging Viagra) - so drug dealers and real pimps deserve to get their assets seized.

But selling sex isn't illegal, and I don't begrudge girls earning cash if they do a good job - it takes a lot of blowjobs to raise £1,000! But if you read this interesting story - which again the mainstream media overlooked in their salacious hysterical coverage of prostituion - it seems some Old Bill is just hitting a soft target that won't fight back.

An Indie earns £10k perfectly legitimately but if she does a couple of duos or let's a girl share her flat for a week or two she risks losing everything not just the few hundred quid she might have technically earned from 'brothel keeping'.

Just shows that some forces - and the anti politicians - who talk about getting vulnerable women out if prostitution are talking bullshit. Read the piece in the article about the girl who was off the game for ten years but they still seized her house - it forces women back to keep working more to make up the cash they've lost.

Hypocrisy? What a surprise - instead of trying to criminalise punters they should really make it safer for girls by decriminalising all aspects of the job by letting them work two in a flat - you could still crack down on the pimps and exploiters.

James999

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An Indie earns £10k perfectly legitimately but if she does a couple of duos or let's a girl share her flat for a week or two she risks losing everything not just the few hundred quid she might have technically earned from 'brothel keeping'.

The reality is if she earns £10k she will have spent £9900 so perhaps at best £100 they could "nick"

But the law on brothels is unlikely to be changed, and they can't just ignore it because they don't agree with it. As for the working together for safety bollocks, the reality is if they were concerned about safety they get a 6ft 17 stone guy to sit in the next room, not another girl.

I'm not saying the law's perfect (few are) but there has to be some "pay back" when money is from illegal activity, and if you start to allocate part to the illegal activity and part to earnings on her own, well how would she prove which was which, it's not like pro$$ies keep accounts and submit tax returns, perhaps they should just regard it as another form of tax  :unknown:
« Last Edit: April 10, 2016, 01:46:11 pm by James999 »

Barry Shipton

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The reality is if she earns £10k she will have spent £9900 so perhaps at best £100 they could "nick"

But the law on brothels is unlikely to be changed, and they can't just ignore it because they don't agree with it. As for the working together for safety bollocks, the reality is if they were concerned about safety they get a 6ft 17 stone guy to sit in the next room, not another girl.

I'm not saying the law's perfect (few are) but there has to be some "pay back" when money is from illegal activity, and if you start to allocate part to the illegal activity and part to earnings on her own, well how would she prove which was which, it's not like pro$$ies keep accounts and submit tax returns, perhaps they should just regard it as another form of tax  :unknown:
Come on James - this is like nicking a taxi driver with a bald tyre and then saying because he might have been earning money with his 'illegal cab' we'll just take all your earnings for the past six months!

Offline smiths

The reality is if she earns £10k she will have spent £9900 so perhaps at best £100 they could "nick"

But the law on brothels is unlikely to be changed, and they can't just ignore it because they don't agree with it. As for the working together for safety bollocks, the reality is if they were concerned about safety they get a 6ft 17 stone guy to sit in the next room, not another girl.

I'm not saying the law's perfect (few are) but there has to be some "pay back" when money is from illegal activity, and if you start to allocate part to the illegal activity and part to earnings on her own, well how would she prove which was which, it's not like pro$$ies keep accounts and submit tax returns, perhaps they should just regard it as another form of tax  :unknown:

You make a good point about whats often left for POCA to seize, that prick who ran GP Parties for many years had a POCA order of £100k or so, he would of made many times more than that in those years, basically he spent it funding his lifestyle I assume unless he was smart enough to have filtered it and in his case he was as thick as two short planks, so I doubt he did filer it.


Online Reiver

I bet that cunts pockets were bulging when he left office....

The only thing that bulged on him was his groin down the gay saunas

James999

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Come on James - this is like nicking a taxi driver with a bald tyre and then saying because he might have been earning money with his 'illegal cab' we'll just take all your earnings for the past six months!

The POCA puts the onus on the criminal to prove the money was not the proceeds of crime, If the pro$$ie is keeping no records / tax returns etc she may find that difficult, but that's her problem and she's probably stashed / spent loads more over the years anyway  :hi:
« Last Edit: April 10, 2016, 05:22:33 pm by James999 »

ramrodronnie

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There's no legal way to earn loads of money from flogging drugs (well not unless you are Pfizer flogging Viagra) - so drug dealers and real pimps deserve to get their assets seized.

But selling sex isn't illegal, and I don't begrudge girls earning cash if they do a good job - it takes a lot of blowjobs to raise £1,000! But if you read this interesting story - which again the mainstream media overlooked in their salacious hysterical coverage of prostituion - it seems some Old Bill is just hitting a soft target that won't fight back.

An Indie earns £10k perfectly legitimately but if she does a couple of duos or let's a girl share her flat for a week or two she risks losing everything not just the few hundred quid she might have technically earned from 'brothel keeping'.

Just shows that some forces - and the anti politicians - who talk about getting vulnerable women out if prostitution are talking bullshit. Read the piece in the article about the girl who was off the game for ten years but they still seized her house - it forces women back to keep working more to make up the cash they've lost.

Hypocrisy? What a surprise - instead of trying to criminalise punters they should really make it safer for girls by decriminalising all aspects of the job by letting them work two in a flat - you could still crack down on the pimps and exploiters.





Hypocrisy? What a surprise - instead of trying to criminalise punters they should really make it safer for girls by decriminalising all aspects of the job by letting them work two in a flat - you could still crack down on the pimps and exploiters.


I whole heartedly agree with you there Barry Shipton



Offline Jimmyredcab

There's no legal way to earn loads of money from flogging drugs (well not unless you are Pfizer flogging Viagra) - so drug dealers and real pimps deserve to get their assets seized.

But selling sex isn't illegal.

Bur brothels ARE illegal.

An Indie working alone should not get any problems.    :hi:

Offline Marmalade

Bur brothels ARE illegal.

An Indie working alone should not get any problems.    :hi:

An English girl I fucked in Edinburgh was whoring with her mate. They get round the legality by renting two apartments in the same block of flats. When one gets a customer, the other tart fucks off to the second flat. They looked like they were making wads.

Romanians are more worried when their phones and daily earnings are confiscated: they can't even phone Sergei to beg him not to kill family members back home when police have taken the day's protection money. But at least they are still 'his' to ship to somewhere else in Britain. Cunt.

James999

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An English girl I fucked in Edinburgh was whoring with her mate. They get round the legality by renting two apartments in the same block of flats. When one gets a customer, the other tart fucks off to the second flat. They looked like they were making wads.

Unless the law is different in Scotland then that wouldn't have got around the brothel legislation  :music:

Offline Marmalade

Unless the law is different in Scotland then that wouldn't have got around the brothel legislation  :music:
True. But it made them feel better. And if someone kicked the door in it meant only one of them was there while fucking for money.  :music:

Grumbleguts

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I remember reading, the late Dora Noyce who ran her brothel in Danube Street in Edinburgh, was quoted  as saying it was pussy for peace policy she had with the police. When asked by a reporter, when was her busiest time, thinking of The Tattoo, and the festival, she replied when the General Assembly for the Church Of Scotland was on :diablo: :hi:

Offline Marmalade

There's some interesting information about Police Scotland on this site
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Though after shirtlifter stephen's actions I wonder how many prossies are inclined to trust it  :rolleyes: