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Offline SUMO61

I'm off for my STI test tomorrow (split condom) so I thought i'd correlate the very low risk advised by the GUM clinic to some facts. Some interesting reading here, that supports the advice I've been given many times by GUM professionals, namely:

HIV in female sex workers is very low and miniscule for non-drug injectors across Europe.

Of the cases, most in the UK are Black/ African origin.

HIV as mainly amongst homosexual males.

http://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/3/7/e002836.full#sec-15


https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/477702/HIV_in_the_UK_2015_report.pdf


Might be worth posting these in the Wiki, as it's always a hot topic on here and there are some interesting facts about other STIs.  In short, it appears if you're having sex with a white, British sex worker, who doesn't inject drugs, you are at a very low risk.


Offline Donnie69

I have to agree that Country of origin and drug use does affect the risk of anyone contracting HIV or other STIs.

Women who have lived in certain parts of Asia or Africa where HIV is rampant surely must be more likely to have HIV.  I would be even more cautious with someone considered higher risk.  I have seen a couple of Thai prossies over the years, but never a black prossie.  I do want to try a black women one day, but I would be extra choosy.

Also don't forget shemales are more likely to have HIV if they have sex with gay men.  Heroin addicts are also more likely to have HIV, as far as I know I've never seen anyone who injected drugs.  HIV rates in prossies are quite high in Romania, which along with lack of healthcare makes Romanian prossies high risk too!  Another reason to avoid.

At the moment I only see white British women.

Offline holland

These are just statistics. The only way to prevent it is to always use the condom. HIV doesn t look at your passport. There are group in the original country that are more subject to have it but when they reack uk they mix up with the locals. So you cant feel reassured if you fuck just british. The condom is the only reassurance with anybody no matter where thay are from.

Offline SUMO61

These are just statistics. The only way to prevent it is to always use the condom. HIV doesn t look at your passport. There are group in the original country that are more subject to have it but when they reack uk they mix up with the locals. So you cant feel reassured if you fuck just british. The condom is the only reassurance with anybody no matter where thay are from.

I agree with you but condoms sometimes break, as happened to me.  Lots of punters have OWO. The statistics show that as a demographic group, prostitutes across Europe form a tiny proportion of HIV cases and in Western Europe, virtually nil (look at the Germany stats, where brothels are regulated and legalised) It's a recent study and may be helpful for some on here to know, given the amount of threads that appear on the topic.

So, in the event of a condom break and probably those who practise OWO, I think we can draw some conclusions from the studies.




I read a leaflet in a GUM clinic recently which warned that having sex with people from Russia represents a particular risk.  (I know no more about any Russian issue, or non-issue, than that!).

Online Marmalade

I read a leaflet in a GUM clinic recently which warned that having sex with people from Russia represents a particular risk.  (I know no more about any Russian issue, or non-issue, than that!).
Interesting. Though if I were punting in Russia I think the risk I would worry (rightly or wrongly -- never been there) would more likely be her pimps or hardemen.

There's a short guide to nationalities here:
https://www.puntingwiki.com/wiki/Adultwork_girls

And a perspective on stds (that seem to get far too many threads IMO) here:
https://www.puntingwiki.com/wiki/Punting_Myths#All_Prostitutes_and_Punters_Have_STDs

Whether a girl looks after herself is probably the biggest factor. Anyone that might be trafficked and unaware of the free services might be more of a risk. But risks are generally very small anyway. I think common sense and instinct are good guides. If you're sexually active with a wife or partner you want to take more precautions to see you don't pass on gonny or minor things, and everyone wants to take precaution against HIV even though the risk is incredibly small, simply as it is more serious than the other diseases.

These endless questions about stds are mostly paranoia from newbies to punting. Not useless -- everyone has to get into good habits -- but overanalysing can get monotonously counterproductive.

Online Steely Dan

I added this to the Wiki. (under new to punting)

But as a gentle reminder, anyone can add stuff to the Wiki.

Online Marmalade

I added this to the Wiki. (under new to punting)

But as a gentle reminder, anyone can add stuff to the Wiki.

You seem to be the mainstay though Steely. Lots of first class work. I'm forever finding new pages there.

Offline SUMO61

I added this to the Wiki. (under new to punting)

But as a gentle reminder, anyone can add stuff to the Wiki.


Much appreciated :hi:

I wonder what the risk of Hepatitis B is? I had a routine GUM check-up a couple of months ago, not having had one for ages. 100% clear. However, when I said I had been having sex with prostitutes they started me on a Hep. B course "just in case".  I've had two injections, and will need a third in the summer. I don't mind. It's free, and if it helps to improve my state of sexual health that can't be bad.

Offline LL

I'm off for my STI test tomorrow (split condom) so I thought i'd correlate the very low risk advised by the GUM clinic to some facts. Some interesting reading here, that supports the advice I've been given many times by GUM professionals, namely:

HIV in female sex workers is very low and miniscule for non-drug injectors across Europe.

Of the cases, most in the UK are Black/ African origin.

HIV as mainly amongst homosexual males.

http://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/3/7/e002836.full#sec-15


https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/477702/HIV_in_the_UK_2015_report.pdf


Might be worth posting these in the Wiki, as it's always a hot topic on here and there are some interesting facts about other STIs.  In short, it appears if you're having sex with a white, British sex worker, who doesn't inject drugs, you are at a very low risk.

I don't think so.  What if that white British sex worker has a boyfriend who is in one of the two highest-risk groups (men who have sex with men and people in the Black African community)?  And how would you know that she doesn't inject drugs?  Not all heroin addicts look like zombies with bruised arms!  I can understand your need to put your own mind at rest - and I hope you've not caught anything nasty but let's not encourage anybody to be complacent about the risks.  The best advice to post on the wiki is for people to practice safe sex to minimise the risks of STIs and to seek professional advice in person (not on a forum) if they find themselves in a predicament like the one you're in.

Offline Donnie69

HIV rates vary by great amounts.  Some countries in Africa have HIV rates of 20-25%.
Clearly if you punt (using condoms) with someone who comes from a country with very high HIV rates, the risk should a condom break is much greater.

 
At the GUM clinic they always ask if you've had sex with someone abroad or from abroad.

   

1 in a million or 1 in a billion doesn't matter. There's still a chance. And if it happens you're not going to say "Well I took my chances". You'll be saying "oh fuck what have I done".

Offline FootieMadJonny

I'm off for my STI test tomorrow (split condom) so I thought i'd correlate the very low risk advised by the GUM clinic to some facts. Some interesting reading here, that supports the advice I've been given many times by GUM professionals, namely:

HIV in female sex workers is very low and miniscule for non-drug injectors across Europe.

Of the cases, most in the UK are Black/ African origin.

HIV as mainly amongst homosexual males.

http://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/3/7/e002836.full#sec-15


https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/477702/HIV_in_the_UK_2015_report.pdf


Might be worth posting these in the Wiki, as it's always a hot topic on here and there are some interesting facts about other STIs.  In short, it appears if you're having sex with a white, British sex worker, who doesn't inject drugs, you are at a very low risk.
It doesn't matter how "low risk" it is, barebacking prossies and punters as scum, simple as. They don't care about what they could be spreading, neither do punters who do it. It takes one time to catch HIV for gods sake! Why the fuck would you risk yourself like that just because it "feels better" ? :wacko:

I don't know why you're even sharing this information. To try and make it seem not as bad? And so others will think "I knew it wasn't that bad" makes no sense...
Banning reason: EndearingEmily1992 aka TeenKylie posing as white-knight punter to tout and defend herself

Offline Lager

Interesting stats but as has been mentioned it only takes 1 time. That said, I have heard that HIV is actually pretty hard to catch.
For the record, I do go for OWO but wouldn't dream of BB or seeing a girl that offers this service. I have however had a few condoms split etc. The feeling of 'what if' is not nice.

Offline holland

From my understanding hiv it's difficult to catch even bareback pussies because of this (do your own reading)
1- our penis has a limited permeable area (the foreskin) for the virus to go through and infect us.
2- even the foreskin has layers of defence against viruses to prevent the virus enter the blood flow.
From my understanding the risk of catching hiv through liking a pussy it's practically just theoretic and same for owo.
Conclusion: it is difficult but it's possible so using the condom is the only way.

Offline Arley Hall

I imagine the risk is not that much different if you have unprotected sex with a random non-WG - but folks tend to be less worried about that for some reason. Or are they? I don't really know TBH because I'm too old to be doing it with civvies!

I remember years ago ringing up a GUM clinic because I was worried. The response from the guy on the other end of the line was (a) by all means come in and get tested, but (b) you're probably OK though because she was a prostitute!
« Last Edit: April 03, 2016, 11:56:12 PM by Arley Hall »
Banning reason: Multiple accounts (Arley Hall, Gwylan)

Offline maxxblue

From my understanding hiv it's difficult to catch even bareback pussies because of this (do your own reading)
1- our penis has a limited permeable area (the foreskin) for the virus to go through and infect us.
2- even the foreskin has layers of defence against viruses to prevent the virus enter the blood flow.
From my understanding the risk of catching hiv through liking a pussy it's practically just theoretic and same for owo.
Conclusion: it is difficult but it's possible so using the condom is the only way.

What about people without a foreskin, such as Jews and Muslims and 90% of Americans?

HIV is still transmitted to these populations, so not sure that your argument holds.  :hi:

Offline holland

My opinion is that they put the sex worker in the 'at risk category' (so the punters) because  have sex with far different persons than the regulars. So statistically there is an increase of risk. At the same time most of the punters and the workers don't do bareback while the regulars baraback  most of the time. So I think barabacking its risky anyway.

Offline holland

What about people without a foreskin, such as Jews and Muslims and 90% of Americans?

HIV is still transmitted to these populations, so not sure that your argument holds.  :hi:

HI..I think the circumcision just reduce the foreskin area. It doesn t remove it completely. They found out, in fact, the circumcision reduce the chances of catching hiv..
from the web
http://www.catie.ca/en/fact-sheets/prevention/penile-circumcision-reduce-risk-hiv-infection

Online Marmalade

My opinion is that they put the sex worker in the 'at risk category' (so the punters) because  have sex with far different persons than the regulars. So statistically there is an increase of risk. At the same time most of the punters and the workers don't do bareback while the regulars baraback  most of the time. So I think barabacking its risky anyway.

The health service as a whole comes into contact with more street prossies and drug addicts as they are the ones getting treated for unprotected sex, hiv, and getting battered by their pimps. Hence skewed statistics. Reading and verifying statistics is a specialist area.

All that can sensibly said on the subject has been said many times over on many threads. It is almost invariably a newbie of some sort wanting to discuss it rather that just wanting to look at evidence, decide on a personal level of risk/safety, and get on and punt.

I'd really like to see these threads locked after a few posts. They do fuck all except preach, scaremonger, and associate stds with prostitution in the eyes of non-punters who are trawling the forum.

Offline Diehard

Who gives a fuck about statistics. It only takes one time to catch hiv if you are unlucky so even a one in a million chance is one chance too many.

Rubber up when fucking strangers, be it hooker or civvie regardless of colour or ethnicity.

I now won't even have owo anymore and rarely give oral. STDs are getting more prevalent and drug resistant so we have to protect ourselves as best we can. Besides the real feel Durex condoms are excellent anyway.

Split condom is a risk, minimise it by putting it on yourself rather than let hooker do it as too many don't know how to do it properly or have longer fingernails that increases chance of a tear as they apply it.

Offline Diehard

1 in a million or 1 in a billion doesn't matter. There's still a chance. And if it happens you're not going to say "Well I took my chances". You'll be saying "oh fuck what have I done".

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Offline webpunter

I agree with you but condoms sometimes break, as happened to me

So, in the event of a condom break and probably those who practise OWO, I think we can draw some conclusions from the studies.
Speaking with my private doc then a condom break - as long as you notice pretty sharpish - doesn't present much risk [for HIV].  I wouldn't recommend banging on regardless on the basis that there has been skin-on-skin contact, so you might as well.  Wrong.  Its all about the virus getting into your body.  Two routes:

1/ down your japper     2/ through small [invisible] cuts in the knob skin - can be brought about in vigorous / extended sex

Loads of other factors like:  other STIs / when the other person has got infected [viral load is higher if recent]

As i'm already sliding down the OWO slope [well at the bottom in reality] then have checked on the inter-web.  You'll have to be the unluckiest MF to get HIV from OWO.  Unless she's got mouth cuts / ulcers & bites your bell-end.  Or its red raw through you bashing it before visiting

Avoid skanky drug riddled hookers & especially those from Africa / high risk countries is a good start.  Other infections can be picked up much more easily with a bust nodder

Offline Nagilum

I'm pretty sure HP would be delighted to read this  :cool:
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