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Author Topic: Mothers and Wives Vs Prostitutes  (Read 4158 times)

Offline Matium

On Mumsnet recently:

http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/relationships/1080476-How-do-you-feel-about-prostitution

the Prostitutes were verbally beaten up by the wives and mothers of Mumsnet.

I should like to ask:

1) What causes Whorephobia? What makes women, in particular, so whorephobic?

2) Can a woman be mysogynistic?

You will notice in the Mumsnet thread (and it's over a thousand posts!) the violence and the aggression of the language used by the Mothers and the Wives against the Prostitutes. Let me just add, as a Moderator, that I would not hesitate to ban anybody who tried to use that kind of language here against Prostitutes and Women. Mumsnet, however, is completely unregulated and unmoderated.


Offline softlad

I had a brief look at the thread in question.

Personally I think it typifies why people are leaving P.N. and coming here.

Nothing of interest going on over there so, start bothering 'Mumsnet'

Who's next the W.I. ?

I log on from time to time to P.N. and it's all so grey, I really can't be bothered.

Where as this place has an edge to it.

I predict many more will make the jump and join in over here, were all the relevant stuff is happening.

 

maybe they know that if they made the effort the working girls would be out of work ,
so there on a guilt trip ....

Offline itsmekurt

maybe they know that if they made the effort the working girls would be out of work ,
so there on a guilt trip ....

I don't agree. Sex with a prostitute is completely different to sex with a wife or girlfriend.

I don't agree. Sex with a prostitute is completely different to sex with a wife or girlfriend.


yeh it happens

Offline davmod

i bet a lot of mums do a bit of sex work when they like. Thats one reason for the anger.
The other reason prostitution is a real threat to them imagine what it would be like if it was socially
exceptable to vist WG's a lot of those saggy tit harpies would lose their husbands overnight.

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Non-WGs abhor prostitutes as it draws attention to the fact that they sell themselves in marriage and relationships. Real women don't object.

When I saw the title of the thread I thought it might be a five-a-side match - so much more fun - or what about rugby? who would win?

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I don't agree. Sex with a prostitute is completely different to sex with a wife or girlfriend.


Agreed. We tend to be good at blow jobs and have no problem with leaving you snoring.

Offline AnthG

Thanks for linking to this in the other topic. Interesting read.

The best reply by far was this one

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I suggest you get off auto-censored

wtf are you reading that shit for ?

those blokes are the dregs of the planet, seriously

FWIW, use of prostitutes, either now or in the past is a complete dealbreaker for me...utterly and without question

I say its interesting as that is what the people on auto-censored see people here as. And its clear all we are is just a further step - they are all fawning fluffies. But seen as scum by the outside world. We are not fawning fluffies and seen as scum by those fawning fluffies.

Offline smiths

Thanks for linking to this in the other topic. Interesting read.

The best reply by far was this one

I say its interesting as that is what the people on auto-censored see people here as. And its clear all we are is just a further step - they are all fawning fluffies. But seen as scum by the outside world. We are not fawning fluffies and seen as scum by those fawning fluffies.

I object to you using the word all, its not all and i have mentioned this before yet you still use the term. Please dont post including all when its not the case. This mis-representation of yours is out of order and incorrect as well as offensive to me because its not true.

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I object to you using the word all, its not all and i have mentioned this before yet you still use the term. Please dont post including all when its not the case. This mis-representation of yours is out of order and incorrect as well as offensive to me because its not true.

I think I've brought this up with Ant before too regards his accidental, sweeping generalisations when referring to other sites.

Offline AnthG

I object to you using the word all, its not all and i have mentioned this before yet you still use the term. Please dont post including all when its not the case. This mis-representation of yours is out of order and incorrect as well as offensive to me because its not true.
I think I've brought this up with Ant before too regards his accidental, sweeping generalisations when referring to other sites.
But the problem is, I do this and then people say I am looking daft trying to cover all the bases whenever I make an opinion.

You do feel at times you cannot win or please everyone.

To be honest though in this instance it never even crossed my mind that I would cause anyone offence with the above.

Offline smiths

But the problem is, I do this and then people say I am looking daft trying to cover all the bases whenever I make an opinion.

You do feel at times you cannot win or please everyone.

To be honest though in this instance it never even crossed my mind that I would cause anyone offence with the above.

Well you are causing offence and i have mentioned it to you at least twice before so am amazed its not crossed your mind.  Please treat me at least as an individual and please dont tar me as part of an "all". What your doing is posting in definitives but you simply cant tar everyone with the same brush, "all fawning fluffies" is just not true, i am not a fluffy, Jimmy is not a fluffy, Jerboa is not a fluffy, Steve is not a fluffy to give just 4 examples.:)
« Last Edit: January 24, 2012, 04:15:45 PM by smiths »



I should like to ask:

1) What causes Whorephobia? What makes women, in particular, so whorephobic?

2) Can a woman be mysogynistic?



In my opinion:

1.  Women are competitive in their relationships with men for the obvious reason that women are the ones who get pregnant and have babies so they are looking for a suitable mate who will show commitment.  Prostitutes allow men the opportunity of sex without commitment and are therefore a real threat to the ability of non-prostitutes to reproduce and be supported when the child has arrived.  Men want sex pure and simple - most women need commitment as well.

2.  Frankly, yes, i think most women are mysogynistic.  In my opinion many of the attempts to control women and their behaviour either go back to women or are supported by women.  Again it's about not allowing another woman an advantage in the reproductive stakes.  If being a slut is regarded as an honour, not  immoral, then women who don't just fuck around would be disadvantaged.

I', afraid I think it all goes back to biology.


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In my opinion:

1.  Women are competitive in their relationships with men for the obvious reason that women are the ones who get pregnant and have babies so they are looking for a suitable mate who will show commitment.  Prostitutes allow men the opportunity of sex without commitment and are therefore a real threat to the ability of non-prostitutes to reproduce and be supported when the child has arrived.  Men want sex pure and simple - most women need commitment as well.


Agree with this to some extent, and would add that I suspect many civilian women see prostitutes as undermining their ability to influence or control their partners with the respective carrot and stick of sex/no sex. Every one of those women has a vote, and that is an awfully big stakeholder group for a politician to risk pissing off, which is why legislation to liberalize the game is less likely than in the other direction.

This is the paradox of the marriage vow. For the man, his promise of fidelity confers, in his eyes, an obligation on his wife to meet his needs, within reason. The wife may see an 'obligation' to meet her husbands needs, even when she doesn't feel like it, as a form of coercion, which she resists perhaps instinctively. The husband sees the psychological contract broken, and rationalizes that it's ok to see prostitutes, all the while knowing that, if the wife were to find out, she wouldn't see it that way.

Agreed except I don't think it is a paradox but at the heart of the marriage vow.  essentially, the man gives up his right to fuck any stray filly who's happy to oblige in exchange for the wife agreeing to meet the man's sexual needs.  In exchange for this the wife gets supported throughout the marriage especially once she has become pregnant and subsequently given birth.

It shouldn't be possible for a wife to attempt to control her husband by withholding sex.  The ancients sort of regarded such behaviour on the part of women as scandalous.  If you want to see what the Greeks made of it, read Lysistrata.  It's why I wasn't happy with the idea of introducing the idea of marital rape when the couple are still co-habiting.  While they are together, the couple have both consented to have sex as and when the other wants it.  In practice that probably means when the husband wills it.

There's also the question of what needs the woman should be willing to meet.  Thankfully, younger women seem to be more adventurous in the bedroom and despite the protestations of feminists who regard these things as degrading are happy to give head and receive spunk other than just in their pussies.  But some presumably think that sex is just about "making love" in a gentle way whereas I'm sure many men want to investigate their wife's body and sexual response in every conceivable way.

I know the idea is a male fantasy but there's a lot to be said for women to go to sexual finishing schools where they learn about the various sex acts available and how to enjoy them and more importantly how to ensure that her man enjoys them.

That's where prostitutes bring something to a man's sex life.  A good whore will be skilled in what she does and will expect the man's pleasure to be paramount (although I still say a good session is one where the girl gets a lot of pleasure as well).  Wives find this threatening.


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Agreed except I don't think it is a paradox but at the heart of the marriage vow.  essentially, the man gives up his right to fuck any stray filly who's happy to oblige in exchange for the wife agreeing to meet the man's sexual needs.  In exchange for this the wife gets supported throughout the marriage especially once she has become pregnant and subsequently given birth.

It shouldn't be possible for a wife to attempt to control her husband by withholding sex.  The ancients sort of regarded such behaviour on the part of women as scandalous.  If you want to see what the Greeks made of it, read Lysistrata.  It's why I wasn't happy with the idea of introducing the idea of marital rape when the couple are still co-habiting.  While they are together, the couple have both consented to have sex as and when the other wants it.  In practice that probably means when the husband wills it

There's also the question of what needs the woman should be willing to meet.  Thankfully, younger women seem to be more adventurous in the bedroom and despite the protestations of feminists who regard these things as degrading are happy to give head and receive spunk other than just in their pussies.  But some presumably think that sex is just about "making love" in a gentle way whereas I'm sure many men want to investigate their wife's body and sexual response in every conceivable way.

I know the idea is a male fantasy but there's a lot to be said for women to go to sexual finishing schools where they learn about the various sex acts available and how to enjoy them and more importantly how to ensure that her man enjoys them.

That's where prostitutes bring something to a man's sex life.  A good whore will be skilled in what she does and will expect the man's pleasure to be paramount (although I still say a good session is one where the girl gets a lot of pleasure as well).  Wives find this threatening.


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Agree mostly with the first paragraph, but what the hell is the part in bold all about??? (shock). Just because you are married/ living together, it CANNOT mean that someone must have sex whenever the other person demands it. It's supposed to be a MUTUAL thing (well in relationships it is). RAPE IS UNWANTED SEX WHICH IS NOT CONSENTED TO, MARRIAGE OR NO MARRIAGE - whether or not the Greeks or the law say it is fine and should be legal to rape within marriage - doesn't make it OK. Think of the trauma a woman would go through being raped by someone she trusted! maybe even over and over again. What a strange statement to make...

 


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The main reason women who do not do this job hate the idea is we make it too easy for their partners to cheat on them.  Women dont think too deeply about it all they worry about is we can do what they cant and we lead their partners into cheating.  Yes most women bellieve it is the escorts fault not their partners as we flaunt ourselves on the internet and their men cant resist.  Yes they really believe that as I have spoken to a lot of women friends about it and this was basically their reply.  The majority of women will never like the thought of escorts as they know (even those on Mumsnet) that their partners are cheating on them with us and they cant compete as we offer what they either cant or wont

Offline mattylondon

RAPE IS UNWANTED SEX WHICH IS NOT CONSENTED TO, MARRIAGE OR NO MARRIAGE -
I agree. If sex takes place without any consent, regardless of the victim's gender, it's rape, pure and simple. There's no other argument on this and the law is very clear. Consent isn't defined by some 'understanding' or anything else. It must be expressly given, every single time the act takes place.

http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/s_to_u/sexual_offences_rape/#Definition_of_rape

I agree, a rather disturbing statement to make SOTD? Perhaps he can clarity, as he may have been misunderstood?
« Last Edit: January 26, 2012, 06:30:59 PM by mattylondon »

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The main reason women who do not do this job hate the idea is we make it too easy for their partners to cheat on them.  Women dont think too deeply about it all they worry about is we can do what they cant and we lead their partners into cheating.  Yes most women bellieve it is the escorts fault not their partners as we flaunt ourselves on the internet and their men cant resist.  Yes they really believe that as I have spoken to a lot of women friends about it and this was basically their reply.  The majority of women will never like the thought of escorts as they know (even those on Mumsnet) that their partners are cheating on them with us and they cant compete as we offer what they either cant or wont

This often even extends to the 'other' woman in conventional affairs, and doesn't just apply to prostitutes. Many men will even play up to it in order to get of the hook. "She chased me and wouldn't leave me alone". :rolleyes:.

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Everyone knows men have one fatal weakness - they can't resist hookers.

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The main reason women who do not do this job hate the idea is we make it too easy for their partners to cheat on them.  Women dont think too deeply about it all they worry about is we can do what they cant and we lead their partners into cheating.  Yes most women bellieve it is the escorts fault not their partners as we flaunt ourselves on the internet and their men cant resist.  Yes they really believe that as I have spoken to a lot of women friends about it and this was basically their reply.  The majority of women will never like the thought of escorts as they know (even those on Mumsnet) that their partners are cheating on them with us and they cant compete as we offer what they either cant or wont

I agree. I hate it when people sometimes assume that because we are "flaunting ourselves" on the internet (ok well yes maybe we are  :D but hey!) that a partnered man just can't possibly resist and it is the fault of all the brazen hussies out there, or 'home wreckers' etc. Erm, no it's not, it's the fault of the partner who was dishonest. Or perhaps a complete breakdown in communication between the partners. I actually quite like mumsnet usually (shoot me!), and there is a regular poster on there I think used to be a WG (I've guessed at who but not sure) who always gives the following great advice about monogamy etc - she says that whilst she doesn't agree with monogamy herself, if monogamy is agreed between a couple and one partner breaches monogamy then obviously it's an issue of dishonesty of quite high proportions. However she says that if one partner just refuses point blank to engage in sexual activities at all (or hardly ever) WITHOUT DISCUSSING IT - and that is the main part - just basically unilaterally decides there is to be no more sex tough shit, then if sex is important to the other partner then why should he/she be expected to live without sex indefinitely. I don't think that advocates just cheating for the sake of it, or if she's just had a baby, illness etc , as long as the man is being kept informed of things and they discuss it. I think she makes very good points there.   

"they cant compete as we offer what they either cant or wont"

They probably do think that, but they are very wrong, in my opinion anyway. Yes men love sex, variety in sex etc, but they are also capable of loving and connecting with their woman, coming home to their woman, having a family etc. They want to be accepted and loved too in a way (awwww!) - None of that is ever going to happen with a WG. And especially having sex with someone you have a real 2-way connection with and real chemistry with I'd say would beat any WG experience hands down.

I think a lot of wives / significant others are pretty insecure these days, when really they hold much more power over any WG or even affair partner if they are the mother of his kids, and they probably don't have as much cause to be jealous/paranoid as they think they do (for many reasons). I also don't think Sex Workers have nearly as much hatred for their own bodies/looks as most 'civilian' women do. Maybe because we spend so much time naked, see that men fancy and would pay to have sex with a wide wide range of body types and ages, see other women naked more (if working in a brothel or flat sharing). Not really sure exactly why tbh, but I've noticed that since I started working full-time in 'civvie-land' I've been astonished at the level of hatred a lot of colleagues have for their bodies/looks compared to any female I've ever met or known through sex work. 
« Last Edit: January 26, 2012, 11:04:52 PM by GlasgowGirl »

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Well, I agree to an extent, the "makes it easy to cheat on them" is one reason. But a bigger, underlying one IMO, one that they may be hardly consciously aware of though it is a big factor, is that it traditionally lowers the market price. Women still in this day and age use sex as a reward or payment. The old-fashioned cost of marrying someone, meal-ticket, supposed security, bringing up and paying for their offspring is fricking enormous. You might say that doesn't apply to the modern career woman (doesn't it? or is it just ugly career women who can't call the tune so 'sweetly'?), but women expect a lot of payment in other terms as well - attention being the biggie. The prossie on the other hand, merely expects politeness and fifty quid. As Tescos might say to the little local grocer, the one everyone treasures, "Sell up, or we'll put you out of business." Prossies can put a lot of devious marriage-market women out of business overnight, so non-pros have to find ways of making themselves more attractive instead of just offering a quick shag at the end of a lengthy wooing.

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Christ, they are a tough crew on that site! Hugely deluded lots of them, although there does seem to be a fair sprinkling of women who are, er, more realistic. Prostitution exists, has always existed and probably always will. A lot of the arguments remind me of political ones - x activity is bad/undesirable ( why? Because I say so) people who do said activity are bad/ losers/ wankers/ . So there. No point in arguing really. Just hope that their husbands or partners are, at this moment, having their cocks throughly sucked by some gorgeous EE hooker.
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well seeing working girls hs reduced my ideas of having an affair (been there done that)
i have had the chance and probably could see two or three woman at the moment but its too much like hard work and risky ,although it would start off as fuck buddies im sure it would become far more complicated

no its pay and go for me    loads of choice and easy exit from the contract


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