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Offline GlasgowGirl

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Wow seems I have been away to get a camera battery and this disagreement has started.

What I meant was that we should be supporting the rights of ALL sex workers, regardless of who we personally choose to visit. It is not "fluffy" to do this - it is in the punter's best interest to do so. If these silly "Swedish model" laws get passed you will be criminalised.

I never said punters were " sleazy rainmac wearers" etc either - if you read it properly you would see that this was the nasty reaction of the Mumsnet mother's forum when an open debate on prostitution was started on their website. This is one of the stereotypes we need  to change.


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And just how do you propose we set about ‘supporting the rights of ALL sex workers, regardless of who we personally choose to visit?’ Also, are there no boundaries concerned?

Offline GlasgowGirl

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Like I suggested previously, you could do many things -

1) Vote in local/national elections for the most sex-work friendly candidate (not sure any of them are but the least-bad would be a start - imagine what would happen if Harriet Harman was in office!)

2) Write to your MP maybe

3) If you come across a debate about prostitution on the internet or in a paper, write in or write a comment opposing the detractors of paid sex between consenting adults.

Obviously it goes without saying that trafficking is an awful crime and that should not be supported or condoned at all, but there are already laws against that. No need to push things further underground and make it less safe.

The council where I live are strongly in support of there being a nationwide law criminalising punters (like in Sweden). Surely you don't want this to happen?


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thats the point its not a question of chick or egg. They are different things total
most girls on the street need drugs if we gave them the drugs they would not be on the street.
whatever the reasons that WG'S choose this profession its not due to drug induced desperation

Perhaps you could try that again another time. Seems like 6pm ish is when your logic begins to crash and your English becomes jumbled.


Offline Marmalade

What I meant was that we should be supporting the rights of ALL sex workers, regardless of who we personally choose to visit. It is not "fluffy" to do this - it is in the punter's best interest to do so. If these silly "Swedish model" laws get passed you will be criminalised.

Crap. Well not quite crap. Just crap in the sense of you could also say we should be supporting everyone else's valid interests as it is correctly in our interests to do so. But in the context of this board it is crap. We should be supporting punter's interests. Calling everything the same just muddies the waters. If you said the same thing on Saafe of auto-censored I'd agree with you if i could be bothered. But it is inappropriate semantic gymnastics on a board dedicated to punters, 'correct' or not.

The 'W' in WG stands for 'working.' I'm not flogging my fanny - you are. I support your right - do you support mine?? If you do, this is a good place to do it. :):)

Offline itsmekurt

I'm not flogging my fanny - you are. I support your right - do you support mine?? If you do, this is a good place to do it.
As far as I know, flogging fanny is not against the law, but soliciting is. Moot point, I suppose but ...........

Offline Lucy chambers

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Crap. Well not quite crap. Just crap in the sense of you could also say we should be supporting everyone else's valid interests as it is correctly in our interests to do so. But in the context of this board it is crap. We should be supporting punter's interests. Calling everything the same just muddies the waters. If you said the same thing on Saafe of auto-censored I'd agree with you if i could be bothered. But it is inappropriate semantic gymnastics on a board dedicated to punters, 'correct' or not.The 'W' in WG stands for 'working.' I'm not flogging my fanny - you are. I support your right - do you support mine?? If you do, this is a good place to do it. :):)




:) I was wondering where this would go.

I am no activist. My view point is that if its the drugs that put girls out there, they are choosing these massive risks, just as their male counterparts will take their own risks to feed their habit. I'm sorry, I shall go and duck now, but I haven't got an awful lot of time for junkies.


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...  I haven't got an awful lot of time for junkies.

Strive for compassion, perhaps. I find it extremely difficult to respect women who are not junkies maintaining ‘loving’ relationships with men who beat them up and sell them on the street.

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Strive for compassion, perhaps. I find it extremely difficult to respect women who are not junkies maintaining ‘loving’ relationships with men who beat them up and sell them on the street.


I am compassionate about it. But I would be compassionate from a distance. I would imagine what you describe is pimping, which isn't strictly street based.

Offline itsmekurt

I would imagine what you describe is pimping, which isn't strictly street based.

Is there a pedantic virus about today or what?  :dash:

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Is there a pedantic virus about today or what?  :dash:

Are you by any chance at work and feeling particularly grim?

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Offline Marmalade

I don't know if we are allowed to discuss it here, but yes both.

Since Edinburgh City Council stopped it's CCTV and well-lit tolerance zones, ladies have had to scatter around and go to more out of the way areas, attacks on prostitutes have DOUBLED. (from Scot-pep study).

Poor legislation and council policies are KILLING these women, endangering their lives. It is known that at least 1 of the Ipswich prostitutes murdered by Steve Wright were on the street because police had shut down the parlour they worked from. The killers of Emma Caldwell in Glasgow got let off with the charge on a technicality even although it was proven they did do it. The logged incidents of violence against these women are frequent and eye-watering. Most of the violence is obviously happening because perpetrators see the women's vulnerability and reluctance to go to the police so they think they will get away with it. (the incidents are logged so other women can avoid the bad clients, but most don't go to the police as soliciting is illegal) and also because of the ingrained public perception that these women somehow "deserve" it. 

The treatment programmes for drug addiction in this country are awful. Rehab places are like gold-dust and aftercare is very limited. If more money was put into treatment then the street prostitution would vastly reduce, as most street prostitutes would not do the job if they did not need the drugs. I have spoken to many.

The council/government should be spending more money on treatment programmes for addicts and those stuck with abusive pimps and less money on ridiculous laws which endanger sex workers and make it difficult for those of us who choose to work in the sex industry for whatever reason.

Sorry rant over.  :diablo:

But vote wisely. And why not write to your MP or join debates etc to get this changed? It's your hobby after all.

ps - sorry mods for the extreme ranting. and if not allowed to mention street stuff.

No apology needed - great post.

For a long time Edinburgh was ahead of the game both in controlled zones and safety of street prostitutes and in drug rehab / needle exchange - not enough, but better than Glasgow's track record which was criminalise and let them die, then get a newspaper splash about a prossie killed how the police were cracking down on the murderer by getting tough on prostitution (parliament has been able to make similar unbelievably stupid leaps of faith. )

Public support is good - as shown by that for MSP Margo Macdonald's sensible proposals - but parliament decisions are not constrained by public support figures, logic, data, legislative deduction, or empirically determined best interests, least harm, justice and so on. If a majority of the 129 MSPs are fuckwits in the ballot, it's still called 'democracy.' Whoever designed the superb potential of the Scottish parliamentary process can weep.

No apology needed - great post.

For a long time Edinburgh was ahead of the game both in controlled zones and safety of street prostitutes and in drug rehab / needle exchange - not enough, but better than Glasgow's track record which was criminalise and let them die, then get a newspaper splash about a prossie killed how the police were cracking down on the murderer by getting tough on prostitution (parliament has been able to make similar unbelievably stupid leaps of faith. )

Public support is good - as shown by that for MSP Margo Macdonald's sensible proposals - but parliament decisions are not constrained by public support figures, logic, data, legislative deduction, or empirically determined best interests, least harm, justice and so on. If a majority of the 129 MSPs are fuckwits in the ballot, it's still called 'democracy.' Whoever designed the superb potential of the Scottish parliamentary process can weep.

bullseye mate,  fckn well said

Offline Matium

ps - sorry mods for the extreme ranting. and if not allowed to mention street stuff.

This is not auto-censored. There is no prohibition on talking about the street scene here.

Rants are to be welcomed if they are expressed so eloquently as yours.

Offline philboi

Just saw an interesting thread on another forum discussing how punting has changed over the last 20 years, I thought this post was spot on.

"Whilst I'm sure that more men are punting than did so 20 years ago, I think it also true to say that there are far more girls offering services.

Remember also, one new punter may punt once or twice a month. One new WG will presumably be shagging a lot more than that. So one new punter isn't going to have such an effect on the "market" as one new WG."


The influx of new girls to the industry has certainly helped to keep prices at a sensible level, 20 years ago Eastern Europeans WG's were rare, now they are the norm --------- that is why prices have actually gone down compared to the general cost of living, it is more than ever a buyers market.  :drinks:

Nearly 3 years on and what's changed?

There are certainly more WG's now, especially EE, but has it had an affect on the rates?
Not sure, possibly EE are still very cheap but the British WG's seem to have held their own, in fact they may be charging a little more... I don't know?

Offline Steve2

There is no prohibition on talking about the street scene here.


Oh yes there is.

Offline CoolTiger

Nearly 3 years on and what's changed?

Great discussion topic,
but.... Majority of the contributors have been banned   :D :D :D

Dare I enter??
 

Offline Jimmyredcab

Oh yes there is.

Just to clarify, this is what the rule says ----------

" No posting of working areas of street prostitutes"

I read that as saying you must not give information where to find street girls.   :drinks:

Offline Steve2

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Offline Stiltskin

Nearly 3 years on and what's changed?

There are certainly more WG's now, especially EE, but has it had an affect on the rates?
Not sure, possibly EE are still very cheap but the British WG's seem to have held their own, in fact they may be charging a little more... I don't know?

I've been punting 10 years and I don't think much has changed in the last 3. London especially was just as full of EEs 3 years ago and there may be more profiles on AW, but more girls? I don't know about that.

The quality has certainly gone down. There are more fake profiles today and more mingers advertising. I had maybe a dozen good punts in 2010. This year I've only had one that I would say was good. Locally, for me there are far less girls than 3 years ago.

Online smiths

Just saw an interesting thread on another forum discussing how punting has changed over the last 20 years, I thought this post was spot on.

"Whilst I'm sure that more men are punting than did so 20 years ago, I think it also true to say that there are far more girls offering services.

Remember also, one new punter may punt once or twice a month. One new WG will presumably be shagging a lot more than that. So one new punter isn't going to have such an effect on the "market" as one new WG."


The influx of new girls to the industry has certainly helped to keep prices at a sensible level, 20 years ago Eastern Europeans WG's were rare, now they are the norm --------- that is why prices have actually gone down compared to the general cost of living, it is more than ever a buyers market.  :drinks:

Indeed, i remember the pre EE WG age of punting, god bless EE WGs. They drove prices down and offered more extensive services, many Brit WGs then followed when rankled with some.

My punting costs both allowing for inflation and in actual terms has gone down in the last 10 years anyway. A mixture of networking with other punters, punting forums and being more savvy myself.


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