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Author Topic: Should a WG be suspicious of a Punter's cash?  (Read 2854 times)

Offline Matium

Prostitution is a cash based industry.

Guys prefer it because it means there's no incriminating paper trail that their wives can discover.

WGs prefer it because it means they can pocket the lot without paying tax.

But should a prostitute be responsible if a guy is funding their punts together with the proceeds of a crime?

A guy working at Toys R Us, stole millions which he lavished on prostitutes, buying them cars, even houses, when he got caught, the prostitutes were forced to give back everything he had given them.

Should a WG be suspicious of the money a guy is spending on her? and should she be liable if all that money comes from the proceeds of a crime?

The right thing to do?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2215247/Paul-Hopes-Former-prostitute-ordered-300-000-house-pay-debt-Toys-R-Us-finance-boss.html?openGraphAuthor=%2Fhome%2Fsearch.html%3Fs%3D%26authornamef%3DPaul%2BMilligan
« Last Edit: October 10, 2012, 11:52:57 PM by Matium »

Offline Sarahs Back

shit a punter bought me a car....... im not giving it back!

Offline AnthG

Should a WG be suspicious of the money a guy is spending on her? and should she be liable if all that money comes from the proceeds of a crime?
My honest opinion is a No, and No.

I really cannot think of anything else to say than this.

shit a punter bought me a car.
Sarcasm never passes through well in the written form, was that seriously, or just having a joke on this thread?

Offline Matium

shit a punter bought me a car....... im not giving it back!

Ah but was he an Arthur Daley sort of guy?

If so, you'll find the bailiffs at your door and a Receiver taking you to Court!

 :diablo:

Offline Sarahs Back

why cant I find a guy who wants to lavish me with gifts worth more than £542,000

Offline SteveNova

Prostitution is a cash based industry.

Guys prefer it because it means there's no incriminating paper trail that their wives can discover.

WGs prefer it because it means they can pocket the lot without paying tax.

But should a prostitute be responsible if a guy is funding their punts together with the proceeds of a crime?

A guy working at Toys R Us, stole millions which he lavished on prostitutes, buying them cars, even houses, when he got caught, the prostitutes were forced to give back everything he had given them.

Should a WG be suspicious of the money a guy is spending on her? and should she be liable if all that money comes from the proceeds of a crime?

The right thing to do?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2215247/Paul-Hopes-Former-prostitute-ordered-300-000-house-pay-debt-Toys-R-Us-finance-boss.html?openGraphAuthor=%2Fhome%2Fsearch.html%3Fs%3D%26authornamef%3DPaul%2BMilligan
No more than any retailer or service provider - providing she hasn't been colluding or encouraging in any way.  The amounts in this article were unusual and far exceeded her usual charges.  The key is this sentence "He arranged around 23 transactions of around £300,000 into the account of a fake company, Dunbar Associates, which he set up in the name of Dawn Dunbar, a prostitute who he had become besotted with".  In this way she became complicit in the fraud.

Offline Matium

why cant I find a guy who wants to lavish me with gifts worth more than £542,000

Because you haven't set yourself up as a Courtesan!

Get thee some Aubade, Chanel and Dior and get thee to the Ritz Casino!

(Where the high rollers pick up girls!)

 :diablo:

Offline Sarahs Back

Because you haven't set yourself up as a Courtesan!

Get thee some Aubade, Chanel and Dior and get thee to the Ritz Casino!

(Where the high rollers pick up girls!)

 :diablo:
id rather not!.....
not my style.....
 hummmmmm....£££££££££££......... but then again......
tell me more!

Offline mh

"Should a WG be suspicious of a Punter's cash?"

Well I've now had a few WGs who have checked for fake notes among what I give them, but in a very matter of fact way. Other than that they don't give a stuff about how I obtained the money and I don't blame them.

Offline Matium

Surely a WG should get suspicious when a man starts buying her a car or even a house?

What this case shows is that a WG will have to give everything back so there's no point her staying silent as she'll still lose everything.

Tony Montana

I girl I saw in Manchester had seen the infamous Giraffeman many times and said she felt a bit guilty that she had inadvertently encouraged him to embezzle loads of money from his company to pay for punts.  I reassured her that there was absolutely no need to feel guilt as it was his choice and she didn't know where the money was coming from at the time.


If shes not paid tax then ofc and she should be taken to task as part of the fraud too

Ignorance no excuse and lavish gifts to the nature of cars and houses ffs  :dash: wake up n smell the coffee

Offline anton11

Funny this one, only the other day I went in my butchers shop and ordered some chops and a couple of steaks and when I went to pay he asked me where did I get the money to pay for them!!!

Funny this one, only the other day I went in my butchers shop and ordered some chops and a couple of steaks and when I went to pay he asked me where did I get the money to pay for them!!!

Are you a weird looking character :P

Offline Matium

I'm staggered that any WG would believe it's par for the course for a man to buy a girl a car and house, not just any car but a £132,000 Bentley, a £25,000 Lexus GS300 for her father, a £30,000 Toyota Landcruiser for her husband and a £42,000 Lexus RS400h as a runaround!

And it never occurred to her once to ask where the money was coming from?

In this case, the authorities have taken the view that the WGs were complicit in the theft.

http://eideard.com/tag/dawn-dunbar/

Every WG needs to understand that Ignorance is no excuse.

Offline mh

Funny this one, only the other day I went in my butchers shop and ordered some chops and a couple of steaks and when I went to pay he asked me where did I get the money to pay for them!!!

I suppose if the butcher was charging the equivalent of a week's take home pay at average earnings for some chops and a couple of steaks perhaps he would wonder how you could afford his prices. But if he had a steady stream of buyers at whatever price he set why should he wonder?

Or if you were buying antelope chops and gorilla steaks and yet looked like you needed some new soles on your shoes he might wonder whether you were spending your money wisely. I can't see the butcher or WG caring as long as it wasn't glaringly obvious that you'd pinched the cash.

Offline mh

I'm staggered that any WG would believe it's par for the course for a man to buy a girl a car and house, not just any car but a £132,000 Bentley, a £25,000 Lexus GS300 for her father, a £30,000 Toyota Landcruiser for her husband and a £42,000 Lexus RS400h as a runaround!

And it never occurred to her once to ask where the money was coming from?

In this case, the authorities have taken the view that the WGs were complicit in the theft.

http://eideard.com/tag/dawn-dunbar/

Every WG needs to understand that Ignorance is no excuse.

I'd agree that ignorance is no excuse, but I think she would have a defence that it was entirely possible that a director of a large multi-national company was well paid enough that he was spending his own money. If it was a footballer earning £200K a week would she have been told to return the money? How was she to know it wasn't his money in this particular case?

In the case of fairly junior company accountants who have embezzled money there's less of an excuse, but I'm sure the perpetrators in those cases have also been convincing.

Online Jimmyredcab

Surely a WG should get suspicious when a man starts buying her a car or even a house?

Exactly, this is all about the huge amounts of money involved, he wasn't just punting with stolen money he was giving her far in excess of her normal "fees".
This money was not being earnt by her, she was receiving stolen cash, it would be the same outcome had he been passing the money on to a wife or girlfriend, the court would have demanded it was repaid.
Proof yet again that there is no fool like an old fool.  :crazy:

Offline Sailormack

Her mistake was being paid through a company with an audit trail  :dash:

If he had given her readies or expensive gifts without a trail (i.e not cars) then she would have faced no charges and her floorboards would have been creaking  :unknown:

Iffy money is rife in this game.  In this economic climate the last thing on a wg's mind is to establish the source of the funds.  Most will be spent very quickly.  I believe the Giraffe character was using a credit card associated with his company.  Anyone processing these payments could be deemed to be assisting the fraud due to the frequency and volume of payments received. You would have to be dumb, blind and deaf not to notice that kind of  a spending pattern helping turnover. (or just a greedy bastard/s)

Half the parlours would not be in business if gypo's, drug dealers, tax dodgers, policemen, and other criminals were not allowed to rinse there illgotten gains in return for a bit of nookie.

I would bet a third of the money that goes into the prossie-purse is dirty.

As a normal shopkeeper garage owner or member of public if we have a fake note we loose it ,if we take a fake or forged cheque or credit card we loose it so why shouldnt she loose it too ...
as has been said did she declare these 'gifts' to hmrc ??

Offline mh

As a normal shopkeeper garage owner or member of public if we have a fake note we loose it ,if we take a fake or forged cheque or credit card we loose it so why shouldnt she loose it too ...
as has been said did she declare these 'gifts' to hmrc ??

But there's a difference between accepting fake notes and taking "unearned cash".

Offline Miss A Squires

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I thought part of the issue was she started off being paid quite normally, then £1,000 a week for her exclusivity (still not an issue) but then he starting buying top of the range cars, land in Nigeria, cars for her boyfriend.

Clearly she should have smelt a rat by then and even if she did, she allowed her greed to overrun it. I'd certainly never accept a car or anything like that and who wants land in Nigeria?! She also flaunted it too much - is it any wonder her neighbours thought she was living beyond her means and got suspicious!

A think that's always niggled me with these things is, with all these luxury cars, who pays for the insurance?! That must cost a pretty penny itself!

Offline philuk1uk

It just goes to show as well how it is possible to commit fraud in large companies, he wasn't found out until she was found out and then it was traced back to him and his fraud at Toys R'Us.  From my experience of working with larger companies, someone in finance could quite easily siphon off various moneys - a fake company, fake invoices for services and the fake company set up on the system as a supplier.  It's certainly very do-able and I wonder how often it happens without anyone finding out? Often when you read articles on court cases they are usually caught out by stealing too much and almost bankrupting a company, etc.

Offline Ali Katt

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I'm staggered that any WG would believe it's par for the course for a man to buy a girl a car and house, not just any car but a £132,000 Bentley, a £25,000 Lexus GS300 for her father, a £30,000 Toyota Landcruiser for her husband and a £42,000 Lexus RS400h as a runaround!
Proof that money can't buy taste.


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