Uk Sugarbabes/ Sugarbabes international

[sjw1981]

I'm just wondering if any of you guys out there have used either of these agencies in London?

I'm planning a trip to London this week for a punt and these two sites have what seem to be some gorgeous looking ladies.
Just wondering if anyones used them or if not any recommendations would be greatfully received. I was looking for a MILF experience and there seems to be a few on there that would fit bill niclely.

Thanks in advance.

[EnglishRebecca121]

hi im not a punter but i used to work for them , a very good agency

[NIK]

hi im not a punter but i used to work for them , a very good agency

Well if this is the agency I think it is I believe there was a thread about them some time back and the consensus was that they are scammers with an appalling reputation.
Of course I may be mistaken

[NIK]

And lo and behold here we are:

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=839.msg11435;topicseen#msg11435

[EnglishRebecca121]

that seems to be an aw group

i presume the op is on about

External Link/Members Only

?

[NIK]

that seems to be an aw group

i presume the op is on about

External Link/Members Only

?

Again I may be wrong but the site looks vaguely familiar as an agency who were bait and switch merchants.
Maybe someone can confirm?

[Steely Dan]

Full of crap photo shop. Look at this insanity:
External Link/Members Only

If you happen to see a girl you like, you most likely can book her for less direct:

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=85032.0

They are not that much more evil than the other useless rip-off agencies.  Equal to the other rip off agencies. OK girls probably still work there - and for £250 you might get a great experience. But the odds are better for a great punt if you book any of the thousands of girls with positive reviews on UKP.  Better odds, less money.  Why go to Sugar babes?

Now if there is, say, a particular porn star you want to book, then that might be the only way.  But I didn't get that from your post.

[sjw1981]

Thanks guys, I get the general feeling towards these agencies is not great with over priced WG who you could find on AW and others. I'm always very careful and quite picky on who I go and see so that's why I was asking about this particular agency. I've never used an agency before and from what you guys have said I may give them a swerve. I did mention on my original post what I was looking for. Does anyone have any thoughts on this.

[Diehard]

hi im not a punter but i used to work for them , a very good agency

 

[charlie sheen]

Have seen a few of the escorts from UKSB under different guises a few years back, some from a/w and some at London parlours a few years ago. It's  one of the worst agencies for photoshop/airbrushing and age discrepancies many of the escort I met looked nothing like the pictures. 

[NIK]

Have seen a few of the escorts from UKSB under different guises a few years back, some from a/w and some at London parlours a few years ago. It's  one of the worst agencies for photoshop/airbrushing and age discrepancies many of the escort I met looked nothing like the pictures.

It is as I suggested it was then.

[sjw1981]

Yeah think I'll be giving this one a miss. Still might have trip down to the smoke but try and find something off of AW.

Anyone have a particular suggestions as to who to see??

[Jerboa]

It is as I suggested it was then.

The AW group isn't linked to the London agencies afaik, the group was a scam, where punters had to pay for PG pics before booking a girl, but no booking would come through.

[smiths]

hi im not a punter but i used to work for them , a very good agency

Maybe good for the WGs who get work off them but certainly not good for ALL punters as I have read over the years and is confirmed on this thread. A typical outfit run by low life scum.

[Private Parts]

hi im not a punter but i used to work for them , a very good agency

Rebecca I'm sure you don't mean that. If you were working for them I think there may be a question of them living off the proceeds blah blah...
I'm sure it was only a referral system for which you made a donation to the agency for the lead 

[EnglishRebecca121]

 

[KayUKSB]

Hello guys,

The link/thread in which you are talking about is not about UK Sugar Babes but a group on AW with a similar name - it is nothing to do with us. We have been established 9 years and have lots of positive reviews on Pnet & C69. We are certainly not "a typical outfit run by lowlife scum".

We would not have managed to stay in business this long without a reputable name so I strongly resent this comment. All agencies have airbrushed photos and ours is no different to any other. These are pretty nasty comments about us considering it's not even our agency the original thread was even about. We aim to please all our customers & if there is any issue what so ever with a booking we do everything possible to rectify this - which is very rare. I do hope the 1100 people that have read this get to read our response as this totally unjustified.

[cockneybstrd]

Hello guys,

The link/thread in which you are talking about is not about UK Sugar Babes but a group on AW with a similar name - it is nothing to do with us. We have been established 9 years and have lots of positive reviews on Pnet & C69. We are certainly not "a typical outfit run by lowlife scum".

We would not have managed to stay in business this long without a reputable name so I strongly resent this comment. All agencies have airbrushed photos and ours is no different to any other. These are pretty nasty comments about us considering it's not even our agency the original thread was even about. We aim to please all our customers & if there is any issue what so ever with a booking we do everything possible to rectify this - which is very rare. I do hope the 1100 people that have read this get to read our response as this totally unjustified.

This is fine but your right sneaky buggers with your taxi fees' for outcall's

You tried to upscale me on the taxi fee.

Until i pointed out that on previous recent occasions to same location it had been 40 quid cheaper. Then suddenly your person on the phone checked again on the price and lo and behold they had it wrong.

[smiths]

This is fine but your right sneaky buggers with your taxi fees' for outcall's

You tried to upscale me on the taxi fee.

Until i pointed out that on previous recent occasions to same location it had been 40 quid cheaper. Then suddenly your person on the phone checked again on the price and lo and behold they had it wrong.

As I posted, a typical outfit run by lowlife scum.

[Jimmyredcab]

All agencies have airbrushed photos and ours is no different to any other.

Which is why I would not trust agencies, any of them, the owners are simply scumbag pimps.

No offence meant.   

[KayUKSB]

Wow! Such abuse and lovely language!

First of all, we are NOT the group on AW that was originally discussed but it seems to have turned into a discussion about UKSB so it is my duty to reply, but I'll make this my final comment.

We do not personally airbrush pictures! Not only do agency girls have airbrushed pictures from girls - so do independents who have professional websites! I know AW is different and I respect that and think it's a great site due to having home taken pictures and instant reviews for the girls and clients for all to see. But we are an agency and girls apply, with professionally taken photos & we try to ensure they are a true likeness.

We are not pimps or scum bags, just a group of British women - come on guys, that is really abusive:( There are a lot of agencies you could attack for such activities that would justify you calling them these things but not us. We take customer service extremely seriously and our reviews on other sites show this. Sorry for any previous misunderstandings and we will take any VALID comments on board. But scum bags, pimps, scammers, liars, con artists WE ARE NOT! I will leave it there, have a lovely day & keep smiling:) xx

[lewisjones23]

But you are pimps though

Deluded twats 

[NIK]

Wow! Such abuse and lovely language!

First of all, we are NOT the group on AW that was originally discussed but it seems to have turned into a discussion about UKSB so it is my duty to reply, but I'll make this my final comment.

We do not personally airbrush pictures! Not only do agency girls have airbrushed pictures from girls - so do independents who have professional websites! I know AW is different and I respect that and think it's a great site due to having home taken pictures and instant reviews for the girls and clients for all to see. But we are an agency and girls apply, with professionally taken photos & we try to ensure they are a true likeness.

We are not pimps or scum bags, just a group of British women - come on guys, that is really abusive:( There are a lot of agencies you could attack for such activities that would justify you calling them these things but not us. We take customer service extremely seriously and our reviews on other sites show this. Sorry for any previous misunderstandings and we will take any VALID comments on board. But scum bags, pimps, scammers, liars, con artists WE ARE NOT! I will leave it there, have a lovely day & keep smiling:) xx

Well if they won't change their name you need to. It won't do you any good if people think you are associated with them. And you can't blame people for thinking you are connected if you have a similar name.

[cockneybstrd]

Wow! Such abuse and lovely language!

First of all, we are NOT the group on AW that was originally discussed but it seems to have turned into a discussion about UKSB so it is my duty to reply, but I'll make this my final comment.

We do not personally airbrush pictures! Not only do agency girls have airbrushed pictures from girls - so do independents who have professional websites! I know AW is different and I respect that and think it's a great site due to having home taken pictures and instant reviews for the girls and clients for all to see. But we are an agency and girls apply, with professionally taken photos & we try to ensure they are a true likeness.

We are not pimps or scum bags, just a group of British women - come on guys, that is really abusive:( There are a lot of agencies you could attack for such activities that would justify you calling them these things but not us. We take customer service extremely seriously and our reviews on other sites show this. Sorry for any previous misunderstandings and we will take any VALID comments on board. But scum bags, pimps, scammers, liars, con artists WE ARE NOT! I will leave it there, have a lovely day & keep smiling:) xx

i see you avoided the issue i raised on how you tried to swindle me out of an extra 40 quid on the cab fare to same residence i had booked one of your 'girls' too previously

or is that just a normal standard practice by you.

[Private Parts]

i see you avoided the issue i raised on how you tried to swindle me out of an extra 40 quid on the cab fare to same residence i had booked one of your 'girls' too previously

or is that just a normal standard practice by you.

I think the general state of WG's mathematics and by proxy their "agents" demonstrates the paucity of some of industry's finest merchandising ability.

[smiths]

i see you avoided the issue i raised on how you tried to swindle me out of an extra 40 quid on the cab fare to same residence i had booked one of your 'girls' too previously

or is that just a normal standard practice by you.

Indeed, the actions of a typical low life scumbag outfit, this rep of theirs that has posted can go on and on about what an upstanding outfit they are, its the usual bollocks I have read off pimps for years.

[Steely Dan]

All agencies have airbrushed photos and ours is no different to any other.

This is no defence at all. Saying everyone else does it is beside the point and also un-true.  This thread is now about you and you have admitted that your photos are LIES.  This is simply not OK in 2016.

You may have been in business for many years, but if you want to remain in business, why can't you take the lead and be honest?  No one minds removing a tattoo or two for privacy. Photoshop has its place. But photos that do not look just like the girl are bait and switch and deeply dishonest don't you think?  For the rates that you charge, can't we get honesty?

Meanwhile, as of today, I credit you for removing the truly crap photo of clara from your site.  Well done, thank you.

External Link/Members Only

(sorry boys did not capture the old truly crap one for you to compare)

Remember this is a pro-escort pro-punting site.  We support men being able to punt.  We thus need escorts.  We thus support honest escorts and yes even honest agencies.  But you have just admitted you lie.  How can you expect anyone who reads this site - more each day - to trust you?

But you have shown with Clara that can do the right thing.  Any more?  I have no desire to keep slamming you if you are trying to turn over a new leaf.  Are you?  You said you would not reply again, but maybe worth a risk....

[KayUKSB]

CocknyB I didn't avoid your post! I answered it??!!
Please can you PM me & we can discuss this & get to the bottom of this as I'm unaware of it with any of the current receptionists.

I can not change someone else's AW group name?

Guys, I have responded to your points best I can.

[Jerboa]

Talking of lies, I see they have old Eve, says on her profile late 30's, yeah right, I punted with her back 6 years ago, and I would guess she was mid to late 40's then, she's one also who likes photoshop, no doubt a good looking lady in her prime, but nothing like her pics. I posted a honest review on PN, and Eve gave a rebuttal, well a pack of lies to try and discredit me.

Elle of London: 9th Feb 2009

Very clean and posh basement flat In W14.

The Lady
Eve was not quite what I had expected, It's the same lady as on the photos, says on her profile 33, but I would guess add 10 yrs on to that, still an attractive woman, but she's had quite a bit of cosmetic surgary, long blonde hair, size 12-14 tanned curvy body,
not 5'10" as stated, more like 5'8", 36"EE enhanced amazing boobs!
And fully shaven. She looks like a rich classy MILF.
The Story
Eve guided me by phone to her flat, and was shown through to the bedroom. Very bubbly and friendly lady, she's very chatty, and could call her excentric. I asked for the half hour, and handed over the money, she showed me her large wardrobe of womens outfits, and asked me If I wanted to wear something! Which I politely declined, apparently lots of guys are Into that lol.

Got on the bed and started exploring each others bodies, Eve does kiss deeply, and knows what she's doing, I got my hands on her big boobies, and kissed and licked them, got hard and she put a condom on for oral, which was very deep and good.

Eve got on her back and we did Mish, she's very vocal and told me how she likes english cock, also quite flexible, and put her legs over my shoulders and banged her hard, Eve was acting well and still kissing and encouraging me on, and after a while came hard.

As we lay together on the bed had a good chat, no rush me out the door, a very friendly lady, and some of the things she told me surprized me.

The main reason I went to see Eve was that she Is leaving London, (feb 14) and for a long time have noticed her website, and wanted to see her. I did enjoy myself, was a good experience, but It's amazing what they can do with Photoshop.....

Service Provider's Rebuttal
Eve writes:

This review as incorrect and the reviewer needs a wake-up call... It seems that this reviewer does not know what a posh flat would even look like - My flat is not posh in any way- clean - of course but not posh...
I mentioned that I was not ready and did not want to see him because he gave me very little notice to get dressed and made up to my standard ( From now on I will not make any ecception - one full hours advance notice to get ready )- which over the phone he said he did not mind infact was so very happy about before we met - now I know why ....
Im an active working model - its my job to know exactly what my measurments -size and hieght are .
My model agent would not select me for the casting calls I go on - if I was anything other than - 5 ft 10 (and a half actually - which Im sure he knows - because he is much shorter than me and I dont think he liked having to look up to me ) dress size 10 and 36 G and if I had the look of even a hint of plastic surgery -then I would not be kept busy with all the modelling work I get and you would be sure to have heard all this in other reviews ... .
I had forgot that I had left the wardrobe door open and as he was looking so curious into it - I tried to break the tension in the room that he was creating - it was a joke and a bit of bravado on my part when I offered him to wear something - which he then looked at me in a kind of disgust - I could see he was trying to make this a negative issue ( I was so close to asking him to leave which I think he picked up on , because he all of a sudden said how stunning I am and how he has tried and tried to make a booking with me and never had any luck and that now he wondered why he had not tried harder to see me )- so I was now getting nervous( he sees it as ecentric) and said - well a lot of guys do like to wear ladies clothes sometimes - look at becks who like to wear Poshes knickers- he did not even smile , this was how he was the entire 43 mins he was with me - it was a terrible pressure to try to make him happy and I would talk for England just to get a dry smile from this guy - really hard work ....Re - our intimate time together- I was certainly not acting - I was actually in pain - lets just say for the sake of being diplomatic this - reviewer is small but "Bent" to the left and in other ways it seems than his incorrect review of me - and it hurt ,Im sure a lot of other escorts have felt the same - pity he cant tell the difference between acting and and actual physical pain.
As I informed him - I will not be leaving London for a while now as things have not gone as I had planned - one wonders why he makes mention of the date I had planned to leave - trying to make me look like a liar perhaps ?
Also looking back I now know why he was so happy I had not enough time to get ready - perhaps to create a stir of interest to his reviews - which I believe makes him feel like a big all knowing about all things man I suppose -
He was not good company on any level - It did not seem to me he wanted to enjoy himself with me - it seemed to me he had other reasons for booking me and I did not feel compfortable , naturally he did not bring out the best in me at all .
Knowing what I do now first hand about this reviewer I just dont believe that any of his reviews would be accurate and best to be ignored , He is obsessed and bitter it seems with escorts - I could tell he resented paying for my time ,but because he is not handsome too thin , short looks like he has had a really hard life and well - bent out of shape down South and has nothing at all really going for him - he has to dedicate all his time and money to write about so many escorts - trying to make himself out to be some kind of stud - Like Whhhhaaaat ???
Thankyou for your time to read this Regards Eve xxx

P.S. Im not a clock watching robot - but I knew he was over staying and did not respect my time or terms at all - its when he was getting all physically pushy for more action again , with out offering anything to me for my extended time only - this is when I got up and dressed and I could tell that he was really not happy about that - another fair reason in his mind to dislike escorts..

[KayUKSB]

Steely - I did not lie! I said yes, our girls do give us photos that have been airbrushed? Most girls photos are airbrushed in this industry! I understand your point that they may look toooo airbrushed & we will take your all these constructive comments on board & act on them. But the photos are of the real girl even if they have a bit of Photoshop. I really do appreciate all your comments as it's important to us to keep our clients happy.

[Steely Dan]

Steely - I did not lie! I said yes, our girls do give us photos that have been airbrushed? Most girls photos are airbrushed in this industry! I understand your point that they may look toooo airbrushed & we will take your all these constructive comments on board & act on them. But the photos are of the real girl even if they have a bit of Photoshop. I really do appreciate all your comments as it's important to us to keep our clients happy.

I did not say you lied, I said you admitted that your site lied. Because photos that over state what a girl looks like are lies. (You took down a blatant lie after my words too thanks). The fact that the photoshop artist started with a photo of the real girl is not relevant. I have no idea how to manage your site - it seems you are blaming the escorts for the lies. How to solve the problem is not my role.  My common sense idea is that if you state this is your position publicly (rather than saying everyone does it, we will too), it would be a start. Then perhaps demand that all the girls only give you true photos or you will dump them from your site for, say, a week, it might help further.  But I have never run an agency, that is your job.  I am just stating what punters require. (Truth)

Thank you for the kind words back.  I hope you take all crap photos off your site. If you choose to lead honesty among agencies in the UK, I think it will work for you.  What worked in 2012 may not work in 2018....

[Jerboa]

I did not say you lied, I said you admitted that your site lied. Because photos that over state what a girl looks like are lies. (You took down a blatant lie after my words too thanks). The fact that the photoshop artist started with a photo of the real girl is not relevant. I have no idea how to manage your site - it seems you are blaming the escorts for the lies. How to solve the problem is not my role.  My common sense idea is that if you state this is your position publicly (rather than saying everyone does it, we will too), it would be a start. Then perhaps demand that all the girls only give you true photos or you will dump them from your site for, say, a week, it might help further.  But I have never run an agency, that is your job.  I am just stating what punters require. (Truth)

Thank you for the kind words back.  I hope you take all crap photos off your site. If you choose to lead honesty among agencies in the UK, I think it will work for you.  What worked in 2012 may not work in 2018....

Problem for any agency, if they unilaterally banned over photoshopped pics, the girls would just go to another agency, now if pimping was legal then we could call local trading standards to intervene. 

[smiths]

Talking of lies, I see they have old Eve, says on her profile late 30's, yeah right, I punted with her back 6 years ago, and I would guess she was mid to late 40's then, she's one also who likes photoshop, no doubt a good looking lady in her prime, but nothing like her pics. I posted a honest review on PN, and Eve gave a rebuttal, well a pack of lies to try and discredit me.

So clearly lying about her age and you know as you have punted with her, well seeing as you are a VERY long time credible punter that's and open and shut case of more confirmation this outfit is exactly what I said it was, a typical low life outfit.

One point about photoshop and lying about WGs ages, the site punters see these WGs on is run by the Sugarbabes pimp, its their responsibility to be honest irrespective of whether the WG says she wants photoshop used or her real age reduced to WG age. I am sick of hearing from pimps that its the WGs responsibility and nothing to do with them. This was exactly what the Divines used to say on another punting forum until I challenged them when he said he lied about his WGs ages and sizes and used photoshop. Now apart from getting attacked by his white knight fluffies, in particular the surpreme brown noser-in-chief rumoured so I last heard to have his tongue surgically attached to Divines ring piece Lord Melchett and Lamorak among others he said he would no longer lie from that point onwards. Well a month or so later I caught him out lying about the age of a WG called Jade who I knew as Jennifer at LMP. I also caught him out twice more, as I suspected he didn't give a fuck in reality.

[Candyman]

I think the vitriol towards this agency is a bit harsh. As the owner says, they don't seem any worse than any of the other dozens of London based agencies.

To answer the OP's question I would try adultwork first as its very easy to use and has far more to choose from than any 1 agency. However if you have the money to spend and can't find anything on aw then Sugarbabes seems to have a decent selection of pornstars to choose from which aren't on aw. I haven't used them but if I could afford it I'd be interested in Jasmine Black or Sensual Jane when they're in town, they don't seem to be available on more than 2 or 3 websites

[Anonanon]

I'm not quite sure why there is such a vitriolic anti-agency bias.. It's a shame- i think this site fulfills a much needed gap (hole?) In the market. Why limit it to just independents. Ive done majority of punting through agencies and i havent got ripped off. Had acouple of ropey birds but the worst was an independent!

Live and live!

[portable]

Steely - I did not lie! I said yes, our girls do give us photos that have been airbrushed? Most girls photos are airbrushed in this industry! I understand your point that they may look toooo airbrushed & we will take your all these constructive comments on board & act on them.

Just because other agencies do it doesn't mean you have to, especially if you're using a set of pics ('shopped or not) that are old. It's especially surprising given the price range of you escorts and that you represent international porn stars who charge a fortune. So given the money floating about, surely it's not beyond your means to arrange a photo shoot when a girl starts there, and to update that once a year or so.

I've got no beef with yours or any other agency, but deflecting comments with "but the others' do it" sounds childish.

PS
I usually charge for business advice, but in this case, I'll accept a free 1hour appointment 

[smiths]

Just because other agencies do it doesn't mean you have to, especially if you're using a set of pics ('shopped or not) that are old. It's especially surprising given the price range of you escorts and that you represent international porn stars who charge a fortune. So given the money floating about, surely it's not beyond your means to arrange a photo shoot when a girl starts there, and to update that once a year or so.

I've got no beef with yours or any other agency, but deflecting comments with "but the others' do it" sounds childish.

PS
I usually charge for business advice, but in this case, I'll accept a free 1hour appointment 

This is virtually always the reasoning pimps use, what they do is blame the WGs they offer work to, so the fact the WG is being advertised on THEIR site so that's where punters are going to see the WGs photos is irrelevant to them, but to me its both the WG and Agency that are to blame for photoshopped pics.

[Londonpunter30]

Why doesn't the agency take some pics of the girls themselves.  I'd happily use an agency if they provided non photoshopped pics.  Could even bring in business rather than turn it away if there was one honest agency out there

[Steely Dan]

This is virtually always the reasoning pimps use, what they do is blame the WGs they offer work to, so the fact the WG is being advertised on THEIR site so that's where punters are going to see the WGs photos is irrelevant to them, but to me its both the WG and Agency that are to blame for photoshopped pics.

Yes but we can put a stop to it now.  Jerboa is right about most things but perhaps not this.  The worry is not escorts moving agencies - it is all about punters not paying. If punters pay for an airbrushed picture from Eternity, and reject an honest pic from UKS, then yes UKS loses from their honesty. But does it have to be like this?

Maybe I am too John Lennon in my thinking, but if punters stopped giving our money to B&S experts - whether agency, AW or whatever - it would stop.

I know most punters are not here - but in business tipping point matters.  We may be enough to be the tipping point.

We don't need trading standards.  'Which' is more effective than TS in the normal world.  So is Trip advisor.  For punting, it is UKP.  The more we punt with honest providers, the more honest providers there will be. We need to hold our nerve, and hold providers to account.

But we need to credit the ones that do.  IF Sugar babes behaves better over the next little while we should acknowledge it.

[Jerboa]

Yes but we can put a stop to it now.  Jerboa is right about most things but perhaps not this.  The worry is not escorts moving agencies - it is all about punters not paying. If punters pay for an airbrushed picture from Eternity, and reject an honest pic from UKS, then yes UKS loses from their honesty. But does it have to be like this?

Maybe I am too John Lennon in my thinking, but if punters stopped giving our money to B&S experts - whether agency, AW or whatever - it would stop.

I know most punters are not here - but in business tipping point matters.  We may be enough to be the tipping point.

We don't need trading standards.  'Which' is more effective than TS in the normal world.  So is Trip advisor.  For punting, it is UKP.  The more we punt with honest providers, the more honest providers there will be. We need to hold our nerve, and hold providers to account.

But we need to credit the ones that do.  IF Sugar babes behaves better over the next little while we should acknowledge it.

Yes good point, punters might give a miss to a profile with honest pics, and book the same girl at another agency with heavy photoshop. I can't this changing anytime soon.

[smiths]

Yes but we can put a stop to it now.  Jerboa is right about most things but perhaps not this.  The worry is not escorts moving agencies - it is all about punters not paying. If punters pay for an airbrushed picture from Eternity, and reject an honest pic from UKS, then yes UKS loses from their honesty. But does it have to be like this?

Maybe I am too John Lennon in my thinking, but if punters stopped giving our money to B&S experts - whether agency, AW or whatever - it would stop.

I know most punters are not here - but in business tipping point matters.  We may be enough to be the tipping point.

We don't need trading standards.  'Which' is more effective than TS in the normal world.  So is Trip advisor.  For punting, it is UKP.  The more we punt with honest providers, the more honest providers there will be. We need to hold our nerve, and hold providers to account.

But we need to credit the ones that do.  IF Sugar babes behaves better over the next little while we should acknowledge it.

I have put a stop to it by not punting through any Agency for many years and also posting my views on them, a totally unnecessary third party that just ensures in London at least that punters pay more.

I of course agree about UKP, its been proved it can hold SPs to account, but I know from previous experience most pimps are low lifes and don't want to be honest. Divine pledged to be honest on another forum when I said he shouldn't lie about his WGs, I  then caught him out lying again, as usual he blamed his WGs. This is how disingenuous many of these people can be. They take NO responsibility that the WG is advertised on their site.

As to B&S sadly its shown on here some punters will not only put up with it but do positive reviews as they rated the switch. When I made a point of challenging some punters about B&S I was told I was wasting my breath as it will never change so why bother going on about it, yes that was on here let alone what those who aren't on here think.

[Steely Dan]

When I made a point of challenging some punters about B&S I was told I was wasting my breath as it will never change so why bother going on about it, yes that was on here let alone what those who aren't on here think.

Fair comments.  I still think that 2016 does not need to be like 2014.  UKP is tougher than ever. I think we might as well behave on this forum as if we can totally hold them to account.  Fluffies are loosing ground. We all stand for the punter, which means no B&S and so on.  I am not implying for a moment that any of Smiths posts have suggested otherwise, just saying to all: be encouraged we are winning, keep trying.

[smiths]

Fair comments.  I still think that 2016 does not need to be like 2014.  UKP is tougher than ever. I think we might as well behave on this forum as if we can totally hold them to account.  Fluffies are loosing ground. We all stand for the punter, which means no B&S and so on.  I am not implying for a moment that any of Smiths posts have suggested otherwise, just saying to all: be encouraged we are winning, keep trying.

I 100% agree with that excellent sentiment.

[KayUKSB]

Ok, I agree it would be good to not have airbrushed pics but I don't think pictures taken on a phone look that great? Do you think professional pictures are ok but with just very little airbrushing? What I'm asking is are you saying totally NO against professional photos? For example Valetie Fox just gave us new photos & she looks exactly like her pictures in real life:
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Please don't rip me apart guys when I respond,  I'm trying to listen & engage with you guys in a positive way. I'm new to this site & want to take part & communicate in a positive manner xxxx

[Candyman]

I think there are too many punters out there who are taken in by these photos. All agency girls seem to use the same photographer, you can tell from the same set with each girl, so they are obviously proving effective. I can only assume that the majority of an agency's business is from tourists/noobs that aren't aware of sites such as adultwork or here and expect the girl to look the same as in the photos (which in my limited experience with agency girls is sometimes the case anyway). So unfortunately I don't see this kind of practice changing any time soon.

I have seen that some agencies are willing to let you see selfies or untouched photos of the girls on their site so its worth investigating a bit before booking from them

[smiths]

Ok, I agree it would be good to not have airbrushed pics but I don't think pictures taken on a phone look that great? Do you think professional pictures are ok but with just very little airbrushing? What I'm asking is are you saying totally NO against professional photos? For example Valetie Fox just gave us new photos & she looks exactly like her pictures in real life:
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Please don't rip me apart guys when I respond,  I'm trying to listen & engage with you guys in a positive way. I'm new to this site & want to take part & communicate in a positive manner xxxx

As I posted above I wouldn't punt through an Agency again anyway, you just ensure punters pay more so you get your cut, but WGs actually looking EXACTLY what they look like in the present that punters are going to meet is what pics should look like, if you gave a shit and I appreciate its not JUST you you would of already ensured this happened from day one.

As ever you use excuses that others do the same so you use photo shop. Its also the case in my view that both the WG and the Agency whose site the WG is advertised on are equally responsible for photo shop and any other lies, ages or size for example.

[KayUKSB]

I do give a shit and I am listening.....So here is what I have done to take some action on this today.

I have asked the girls to send me selfies so I can post them on their profiles so clients can see the comparison.
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We will continue to collate the girls selfies and add them to each profile.

Going forward I would like to get all the photos done by a favorite photographer of mine called Mike Cohen who dislikes too much editing on his photos but this will take some time to arrange.

 

[EnglishRebecca121]

kay i got turned down to rejoin your agency a while back because my photos were not good enough and was told to go get better professional ones!

now i get told often my clients book me because my pics are 100% me and not photoshopped

you maybe suprised how many men hate photoshop
 now im not a fan of allure but there pics seem to be a good balance

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please dont take this personally as you will see i recommended you before x

[Steely Dan]

Do you think professional pictures are ok but with just very little airbrushing? What I'm asking is are you saying totally NO against professional photos? For example Valetie Fox just gave us new photos & she looks exactly like her pictures in real life:
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Thank you for engaging politely.  I do suggest UKE as best for this sort of dialogue, but I'll respond here for now.

My view is I am OK with photos that are honest.  Professional photos are fine.  When it comes to air brushing, (and this is true for both professional ones or selfies) - it depends on the purpose.  I think it is OK to remove a tat if needed for privacy. You can remove a lock of hair that is looking weird.  But, I think it is wrong to remove an under boob scar, or a mole beside the boob or a facial feature.  If it does not matter, why not leave it in?  If it does matter than really leave it in!

So I say honest photos.  Selfies can lie.  Pro photos can tell the truth.  But as a principal, I would ask that you insist on truth and strive for minimum photoshop. And yes Valerie's photos look fine - not met her so I don't know, but nothing looks weird. If she looks like that when the door is opened then great.

I suggest the same for age and nationality. And services. Honesty will win over time.

A profile with 10 pro photos and one selfie seems about right.

[Londonpunter30]

Thanks for trying to do something Kay.  Selfies are a good starting point and far better than a photoshop pic that's been airbrushed to remove several stone of weight etc