Tips & gifts

[dkn]

OK, so continuing here from a conversation that started in this review thread where the reviewer said he paid a £20 tip on top of £160 for 1.5 hours, I "chastised" him, and discussion followed.

Seemed to make sense to move this to a more general thread.

Hugo's view is that he tips service providers in general.  Mine is that I hate (and avoid) tipping generally.  I'm on the side that believes that a stated price is a stated price.

And, with working girls in particular, it's not like I'm not already paying through the nose!

One other interesting suggestion was tipping for a regular to ensure good ongoing service.  Again, I beg to differ - one of the benefits of a regular for me, along with knowing what you're going to get, is that a discount is often on offer.

Tipping - work of the very devil...   

[Justanotheruser]

I don't tip because I'm already paying a high premium for the service. It's not exactly like waitressing where the tips can make a significant difference to whether the work is viable. What others do is up to them of course 

[HighlyMotivated]

You're a mug if you tip a girl on top of what you already pay, and I'll bet she thinks so too

[Poopster]

No I don't tip prossies. They ask for a price and half of them throw a fit if you try to negotiate so there's no way I'm paying extra. 

[HugoTheBoss]

OK so I'm clearly playing devil's advocate in an environment where the abiding opinion is that all working girls earn a fortune, sting guys for extortionate fees, and at the end of the day the good ones are just the best actresses.

I have one word for you of that opinion...bollocks.

Yes this industry is a minefield from the arse end of the market for a massage and a hand job to the elite degree educated, gym toned, true 'escorts'.

I will not be drawn into the negative opinion that working girls are just ripping me off...in fact I know well enough to recognise a real pro when I meet one. In any situation I will tip for good service, restaurants, cabs, hotels, barbers, maitre d's, escorts - not excessively or flamboyantly but enough to acknowledge a service well provided.

Guess what? Wherever I tip I get far more back over time.
So, if you get a good service, try a small tip, you might just be surprised.
If all you are going to do is negotiate bargain basement prices dont come crying with negative reviews when you get a budget price service.

[mikexxlong]

Never tip a fucking pro$$I£, they already charge as much as they can get away with as it is,
it will only encourage the greedy whores to up their fees

Giving gifts to whores for fucks sake,
Some of these greedy bitches even have a wants/gift list on their profiles or Facebook,
I bet some of the creeps who give these things, don’t even buy their wives or girlfriends those kinds of gifts 

After all would they give you a discount for being a regular or give you a gift

[Steely Dan]

If they are on minimum wage then maybe tip.  Waiters, bellboys, maybe barber.  If they earn over £50+ an hour then no.  Lawyers, MPs, Escorts, Bankers, Accountants, Architects. 

My tax guy is amazing.  So are many escorts.  I don't tip either.  Maybe a Christmas gift....

At LMP once I gave all the girls a gift (it was just before Christmas.)  That worked out!

[Sonny Crockett]

Bollocks to tipping or giving gifts. We already pay enough as it is.

[DoberManic]

OK so I'm clearly playing devil's advocate in an environment where the abiding opinion is that all working girls earn a fortune, sting guys for extortionate fees, and at the end of the day the good ones are just the best actresses.

I have one word for you of that opinion...bollocks.

I beg to differ;

Before spouting any more of this shite, try reading the SAAFE forum, then come back and tell us we are wrong 

[Sonny Crockett]

Pro$$ies would do less for extortionate, massive amounts of money!!!!

[threechilliman]

Bollocks to tipping or giving gifts. We already pay enough as it is.

+1

tcm

[AnthG]

Guess what? Wherever I tip I get far more back over time.
So, if you get a good service, try a small tip, you might just be surprised.

Please do not take this the wrong way. But you are lying. Either to yourself. Or to us now.

Its simple psychology. If you tip a WG, or bring her gifts. She sees you as a soft-touch. If the WG see's you as a soft touch this results in less of a service from her as she thinks why bother and put the effort in as this guy is a soft touch.

I will say to back this above statement up. I have given multiple working girls presents in my punting career. And also lent money to one. Every time I have done this I have received a much less service immediately afterwards off every single girl.

It is clear Prostitute mentality 101; A gift/tip/loan from a punter = he must be into me and also soft touch = Sod him, I don't need to put any effort into his booking as why should I as he is into me and a soft touch and he will be happy with anything so why put myself out.

[EnglishRebecca121]

ive only been tipped by 1 client in 3 years and that was only because he was well known and seemed to tip all the girls he saw,

gifts are a tad different i occasionly recieve something like flowers or chocolate which is lovely , i found i got more gifts in london than bristol!!

I do think its tacky when the so called high end girls have wish list or amazon links , we definatly earn enough !

[AnthG]

I know it's not 100% relevant to this issue at hand. But this is a very good article in Psychology today that I recently read for those punters who may have EAS towards a particular WG and think to themselves if I bring my favourite girl this gift. Or if I lend my favourite girl this money she wants. She may see me as a nice guy and want to be friends with me etc.

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It basically says, if you want people to like you. Do not give them anything. Actually take from them. And there was science to back that up (read the full articule it explains why)

According to research, giving certainly has an effect, ON THE GIVER. Those who care, give, or help in an unsolicited manner feel more positive, alive, and have higher self-esteem (Weinstein & Ryan, 2010). The giver also feels more committed to the recipient of their giving (Horan & Booth-Butterfield, 2010). This may be partially due to the phenomenon of "sunk costs", which results in "a greater tendency to commit to an endeavor after a prior investment of time, money, or effort" (Coleman, 2009). Essentially, we value something more when we have invested in it or worked to obtain it.

The effects of giving on the receiver, however, are much more mixed. On one hand, receiving a gift can generate feelings of gratitude in romantic partners, increasing their liking and attraction towards the giver, and improving compliance with later requests (Hendrickson & Goei, 2009). On the other hand, receiving a gift might also generate negative feelings of obligation and not lead to reciprocity (Goei & Boster, 2005). Furthermore, in a dating context, gifts can also be seen negatively in terms of power and control, feelings of "being purchased", exploitation, trying to impress, guilt, or having ulterior motives (Belk & Coon, 1991). Overall, the effects of receiving a gift (taking) are complicated and varied.

If your goal is to attract and keep a partner, in some instances it might be better to "take" than "give". Let them invest a bit, work to earn you, and become more committed in the process. Don't always be the one to pick up the check or the dinner pan, and you might just find an improvement in how your partner sees you.

Giving a tip/gift/loan to a WG is a mugs game. Don't do it and you won't get nothing in return back but contempt.

[Silver Birch]

One prossie I met for the first time insisted that I didn't pay on arrival. She was very, very good, but then the cynic in me started to wonder if the payment was left until the end in hope of a tip. Good as she was, she didn't get one.

I don't want to be confronted with extras any more than I want her to expect a tip each time I visit. I expect to pay the rate agreed, no more, no less.

[fly fifer]

WG's aint expensive enough!
I know, why don't I leave her a generous tip. And if I'm lucky I will still have enough money left over to pay the livery stable for looking after my charger, might even get my armour polished at the same time.
Get a grip all you fuckwits who want to leave a tip, your'e getting charger enough as it is!!!! 

[Jonnybegood]

Their gift is our return business when they've given us a good service. Most are making £100+ an hour for doing little more than lying on their backs. They certainly get paid enough.

[Roth]

Never tip a fucking pro$$I£, they already charge as much as they can get away with as it is,
it will only encourage the greedy whores to up their fees

Giving gifts to whores for fucks sake,
Some of these greedy bitches even have a wants/gift list on their profiles or Facebook,
I bet some of the creeps who give these things, don’t even buy their wives or girlfriends those kinds of gifts 

After all would they give you a discount for being a regular or give you a gift

Please do not take this the wrong way. But you are lying. Either to yourself. Or to us now.

Its simple psychology. If you tip a WG, or bring her gifts. She sees you as a soft-touch. If the WG see's you as a soft touch this results in less of a service from her as she thinks why bother and put the effort in as this guy is a soft touch.

I will say to back this above statement up. I have given multiple working girls presents in my punting career. And also lent money to one. Every time I have done this I have received a much less service immediately afterwards off every single girl.

It is clear Prostitute mentality 101; A gift/tip/loan from a punter = he must be into me and also soft touch = Sod him, I don't need to put any effort into his booking as why should I as he is into me and a soft touch and he will be happy with anything so why put myself out.

All true.   The only gift I leave them other than their fee is a healthy few dollops of my manfat. That's enough of a gift.     
Giving anything else is just fucking deluded and you won't get a better service - quite the opposite. 
 

[Type_O_Negative]

I bet OP is one of these punters who tell girls to put up their prices too...

[dezzatheblue2]

What a miserable, tight fisted bunch....
There is nothing wrong in giving a tip or gift to a regular,
Not first meet, as already mentioned in Hugo's post it's not to all and sundry he tips,
It's called being a nice and decent human being😉

[Marmalade]

It's a bit like giving money to beggars. What fucking incentive is that to make them want to work for a living?? ( nice citation and post btw Anth )

Punters who tip are so far up their own arses that they are covered in shite and think it smells of roses.

[Marmalade]

What a miserable, tight fisted bunch....
There is nothing wrong in giving a tip or gift to a regular,
Not first meet, as already mentioned in Hugo's post it's not to all and sundry he tips,
It's called being a nice and decent human being😉

No it's not, you fucking idiot.

Being a nice and decent human being is exactly that: being nice, being decent, being a human being (three things that are unrecognised by many prostitutes who are more akin to jumped up scamming market traders who fix the scales when selling a pound of horse-flesh).

Being nice and decent: Is your cock/fanny clean? Do you know how to smile like you mean it? Do you fill your half of a bargain? Do you interact without causing someone grief. Are you a pleasant enough individual to be with?

Or are you a shit-for-brains fluffy-cunt that pays people to like you?

[vw]

What a miserable, tight fisted bunch....
There is nothing wrong in giving a tip or gift to a regular,
Not first meet, as already mentioned in Hugo's post it's not to all and sundry he tips,
It's called being a nice and decent human being😉

What a prick !

What would you know about being a decent human being

Being decent involves sharing

Have you shared a review?

[dezzatheblue2]

Calm down dear and grow up for a start....you obviously think it's big to swear....

Everyone has opinions, so it's up to Hugo, myself, you if we tip a girl or not...

I take it when you go out for dinner etc you tip?


Pathetic reaction

[vw]

Calm down dear and grow up for a start....you obviously think it's big to swear....

Everyone has opinions, so it's up to Hugo, myself, you if we tip a girl or not...

I take it when you go out for dinner etc you tip?


Pathetic reaction

Cry baby bellend.

[cueball]

Tip?

TIP?

TIP?

At two bloody quid a minute?

 Not a snow ball in hells chance I'll tip. I don't tip in restaurants or anywhere else for that matter.

No bugger tips me for doing my job.

[dezzatheblue2]

Oh dear😂

[vw]

Oh dear😂

Oh dear what

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[James999]

the guys that feel the need to tip pro$$ies are typically the weird ones that are just so gratefull they have found a girl that will actually see them 

[dezzatheblue2]

Your comment,
Take it you're off for the week?

[threechilliman]

What a miserable, tight fisted bunch....

Are you for real?

tcm

[Marmalade]

Cry baby bellend.

I've just read some of 'his' posts. Sounds like a prossie. Maybe admin will give him/her a free transfer to saafe. 

[AnthG]

Everyone has opinions, so it's up to Hugo, myself, you if we tip a girl or not...

So why do you tip/bring gifts. What is your motives, or what you think you will get from it?

[Type_O_Negative]

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[dezzatheblue2]

Leave you to it girls,
Btw I give a small gift as a friendly gesture is that so bad?

[James999]

I've just read some of 'his' posts. Sounds like a prossie. Maybe admin will give him/her a free transfer to saafe. 

Have to agree, a quick glance at some of her posts and it's obvious she's a pro$$ie pretending to be a punter 

So all wgs can't be trusted? How many punters do you know that have been dropped in the shit by a wg? 
Just because they are wgs you can't trust them?

What a load of bollox, it's nothing to do with the job, it's the person.

Very shallow of you I must say,
I assume no punter can be trusted then as only a certain type of person becomes a punter?

Lol, thank you,

The thread is titled NEVER trust ...

Anyway bored now, we all have our opinions and therefor could argue our points for ever

I meant "yawn not this again..."
Subject has been done over and over.

Funny enough wgs say the same about this site,

[vw]

So why do you tip/bring gifts. What is your motives, or what you think you will get from it?

Exactly !

So when she boots him for being nuts he can throw I tipped you and gave you gifts !

Or maybe he is trying to curry favour to get off menu items !

[AnthG]

Btw I give a small gift as a friendly gesture is that so bad?

So have you ever given a guy serving you anywhere a gift as a friendly gesture? I suspect not.

[hendrix]

Exactly !

So when she boots him for being nuts he can throw I tipped you and gave you gifts !

Or maybe he is trying to curry favour to get off menu items !

Yes, a well known lunatic couldn't believe that his "gifts" were actually seen as creepy and weird.

[dezzatheblue2]

Sorry but this is comical now

[yumyum3]

What a miserable, tight fisted bunch....

Oh yeah, no doubt. Paying out £100 an hour and mostly more for sex. Bah! Humbug!
I don't think you'll have to put up with us for much longer Sycorax as I doubt you'll be long for this forum ...

[vw]

Sorry but this is comical now

Well you jokes on you !

[AnthG]

Sorry but this is comical now

Because of your inane post earlier on.

[dezzatheblue2]

Nope,
Because you are all to narrow minded to let others have an opinion.

[vw]

Nope,
Because you are all to narrow minded to let others have an opinion.

So calling the real contributing forum members narrow minded and sub human.

Ill give you a tip - Piss off !

[AnthG]

Nope,
Because you are all to narrow minded to let others have an opinion.

But you have never explained your opinion to tip/give gifts. People have explained in great detail in the topic why not to do it. But your entire argument (that took the feeling of needing to extract from you) was:

Btw I give a small gift as a friendly gesture is that so bad?

You genuinly think that above is offering an opinion ^ on this subject.

[dezzatheblue2]

Did I call anyone sub human? No


Do I have to spell it out,
I feel it is a nice gesture to take a small gift( not on first meet) just being friendly, that is all,
If you don't like it that is up to you,
I will say no more on subject,
Jeez🙈

[cueball]

Nope,
Because you are all to narrow minded to let others have an opinion.

Here you go, try this when you're next seeing dirty doris, text her this.....

"Hi Doris, we've built up quite a friendship now haven't we, seeing as you're such a special girl and I usually give you gifts and tips on top of your usual rate, I'm a little short of money this week and wondered if you'd be happy to see me for an hour but I only pay for 30 minutes? "


If she says yes then you'll know that your gifts and tips have gone a long way, if she says no (which is what 99% of ukp members are thinking) you'll know your gifts and tips are nothing more than a soppy waste of money and make you appear foolish.

[AnthG]

Do I have to spell it out,
I feel it is a nice gesture to take a small gift( not on first meet) just being friendly, that is all,

Do you give gifts to anyone else than WGs and in what circumstances?

[vw]

Did I call anyone sub human? No

Yes by implying by not giving gifts we are not decent human beings, bit disrespectful calling people less than decent human beings = sub-human.

What a miserable, tight fisted bunch....
There is nothing wrong in giving a tip or gift to a regular,
Not first meet, as already mentioned in Hugo's post it's not to all and sundry he tips,
It's called being a nice and decent human being😉