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Author Topic: possible trafficking / exploitation in derby  (Read 2977 times)

Offline mikey

spied this news story a bit earlier with regard to an increase in number of eastern european ladies working as prostitutes in derby with the possiblity of coercion having taking place.

http://www.thisisderbyshire.co.uk/Fears-lured-promise-restaurant-work/story-16775433-detail/story.html

if anyone has info on potential issues they should drop the charity "womens work" a line here Info@womens-work.org.uk they are also on twitter @womensworkderby

Offline smiths

spied this news story a bit earlier with regard to an increase in number of eastern european ladies working as prostitutes in derby with the possiblity of coercion having taking place.

http://www.thisisderbyshire.co.uk/Fears-lured-promise-restaurant-work/story-16775433-detail/story.html

if anyone has info on potential issues they should drop the charity "womens work" a line here Info@womens-work.org.uk they are also on twitter @womensworkderby

Street prostitution and kerb-crawling are illegal so why are the police who know the where, when, why and sometimes who letting it continue is the question from me. Clamping down on something already illegal, it should be being continually clamped down on in my view.

If and its still if its proved there are coerced WGs working the streets then i hope the police and these organisations can help them. If they are proven to have been trafficked i hope the traffickers are found and sentenced. I have posted before, a proven human trafficker should get a mandatory life sentence in my view. This includes those that traffic willing women who want to come here to work as WGs.

Offline James999

The Article says Police are investigating claims, the reality is the claims are probably from UK pro$$ies pissed off at the influx of EE pro$$ies who are generally prettier, younger and with better bodies  :hi:

Offline mattylondon

The Article says Police are investigating claims, the reality is the claims are probably from UK pro$$ies pissed off at the influx of EE pro$$ies who are generally prettier, younger and with better bodies  :hi:
My thoughts exactly. Whenever I see a UK prossie, harping on about so-called trafficked foreign women, especially EE's, it's just the same old, same old. What they really hate, is the increase in quality at more competitive prices. The days of £150 an hour, being the norm for basic services, including oral with and no kissing, are over. If you don't like it, feel ' cheap' at the thought of whoring for a lower rate, then get a job stacking shelves on minimum wage, like other women have chosen to do.  :hi:

Nobody on here would condone genuine trafficking, but this prossie does have 'form', with her scaremongering posts. And let me tell her, there are plenty of English women out there, who are being exploited by English men/pimps, including London and areas, such as the Medway, in Kent.
« Last Edit: August 28, 2012, 04:01:16 PM by mattylondon »

Offline dayton123

The Article says Police are investigating claims, the reality is the claims are probably from UK pro$$ies pissed off at the influx of EE pro$$ies who are generally prettier, younger and with better bodies  :hi:

Not the most helpful response since it says Some of these women are selling sex for as little as £5, often to help feed their families back home.

The only people likely to be interested in a quickie in their car for such a trifling amount, are a small number of punters .... and even if this is the case, how much of this five quid will they be sending home ?

How much of a threat do the small number of ladies in this scenario, pose to established escorts ? If it is significant, why then are we not seeing a huge downward shift in established escorts fees ?

Offline Steve2

Not the most helpful response since it says Some of these women are selling sex for as little as £5, often to help feed their families back home.

The only people likely to be interested in a quickie in their car for such a trifling amount, are a small number of punters .... and even if this is the case, how much of this five quid will they be sending home ?

How much of a threat do the small number of ladies in this scenario, pose to established escorts ? If it is significant, why then are we not seeing a huge downward shift in established escorts fees ?

I think you are full of shit. Just a personal view

Offline mattylondon

Not the most helpful response since it says Some of these women are selling sex for as little as £5, often to help feed their families back home.

The only people likely to be interested in a quickie in their car for such a trifling amount, are a small number of punters .... and even if this is the case, how much of this five quid will they be sending home ?
How much of a threat do the small number of ladies in this scenario, pose to established escorts ? If it is significant, why then are we not seeing a huge downward shift in established escorts fees ?
First of all, you're assuming the article is correct in it's entirety, aren't you? I believe its bullshit. Secondly, it's not a question of a so-called £5 prostitute being a ' threat' to the established order. Rather many UK prossies attempt to smear all EE girls by taring then with the same brush, through fear of the increased competition.
« Last Edit: August 28, 2012, 04:13:39 PM by mattylondon »

Offline NIK

Sounds like this thread would be more appropriate on SAAFE.
Or even better on Cacky Jacky's twatter site. He was obsessed with 'trafficking.'

As for Derby, in my experience it's the punting pits of the earth.   :scare:

Offline James999

Not the most helpful response

I'm not in Derby and I'm not a fucking social worker so it's not up to me to "help" it's the Job of the Police and that is what we pay them for  :dash:

Trafficking is largely an Urban Myth, of course there will be the odd case, but the reality is certain EE countries are so shit and so poor the Girls migrate here to work, that's not Trafficking it's economic migration  :music:
« Last Edit: August 28, 2012, 05:15:38 PM by James999 »

Offline James999

It should also be said that "It has been reported, that Mikey is not a Punter but a Pro$$ie"  :sarcastic:

Offline smiths

Any poster interested in the proven facts concerning sexual trafficking, not estimates and opinions of people that might have an agenda, i would advise to look up Operations Pentameters 1 and 2.

1 woman trafficked is one too many but these Operations didnt result in mass trafficking being found and proved by arrests or convictions.

I strongly advise everyone to not just blindly accept what the media, politicians or any people you dont know tell you about trafficking, who knows if they have an agenda. For some who want to stop prostitution bringing trafficking in suits their agendas.

As i posted previously the police have the info needed to act if this is true. All red light districts are known to them.

Offline James999

This article is interesting

Inquiry fails to find single trafficker who forced anybody into prostitution
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/oct/20/government-trafficking-enquiry-fails


Offline smiths

This article is interesting

Inquiry fails to find single trafficker who forced anybody into prostitution
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/oct/20/government-trafficking-enquiry-fails

Good link, by Nick Davies i note. A journalist who was praised by many for his work in exposing phone hacking.

Harriet Harridan when she was proposing criminalising all punters and had to finally settle for those that punt with coerced women whether they are aware she was coerced or not it being a strict liability offence with not one conviction uncovered by forum legal eagles who have looked for one, used a cobbled together in the most utterly dishonest way in my view estimate of 4000 trafficked women to support her cause and crusade. The Association of Chief Police Officers (ACPO) a while back were using a figure of 2600 women, the actual evidence and convictions in no way back this figure up either.

IMO they make it up as suits them, and your link mentions mistakes made. ;)


Offline mattylondon

Sounds like this thread would be more appropriate on SAAFE.
Or even better on Cacky Jacky's twatter site. He was obsessed with 'trafficking.'

As for Derby, in my experience it's the punting pits of the earth.   :scare:
Indeed. Perhaps that's where the OP should bugger off to as well? That's where a scaremongering post such as this would find traction. Hell, she can even link it to the life threatening dangers of providing oral without and kissing!  :D

Isn't using a nick called 'Mikey', a clear attempt to deceive members into making them believe this was a male poster? Why not just post under a female nick to start with? It strikes me as a somewhat stupid thing to try on with switched on members here. In the end, you'll always get found out.  :hi:

I can't believe that anybody would take that press article seriously. It seems to me that this is yet another attempt by a bitter prossie to unjustly smear all EE girls, by suggesting that the majority must be trafficked or coerced. Utter bullshit and for the most part and a big bluff. The most exploited girls are street prostitutes, the vast majority of which are British, no foreign at all.

This article is interesting

Inquiry fails to find single trafficker who forced anybody into prostitution
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/oct/20/government-trafficking-enquiry-fails
Good article James. Yes economic migration, in the main and who can blame them. Romania and Bulgaria, in particular, are shit holes where there are no prospects. I wouldn't be surprised to see more Greek or Spanish girls either.
« Last Edit: August 28, 2012, 06:50:24 PM by mattylondon »

Offline Daffodil

This article is interesting

Inquiry fails to find single trafficker who forced anybody into prostitution
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/oct/20/government-trafficking-enquiry-fails

Yes, good article. I bet it doesn't get a mention on SAAFE, it doesn't fit with their warped world view.

Offline yumyum3

Quote
I strongly advise everyone to not just blindly accept what the media, politicians or any people you dont know tell you about trafficking, who knows if they have an agenda. For some who want to stop prostitution bringing trafficking in suits their agendas.

Indeed :)

As yet another feeble attempt by "mickey" to shit stir ends up backfiring  :wackogirl:


Offline Ali Katt

Indeed :)

As yet another feeble attempt by "mickey" to shit stir ends up backfiring  :wackogirl:




Offline adindas

Trafficking of EU members of EE girls into UK is an urban myth.
Some parties gain publication and get money/donors by keep raising this issues. This include various NGOs, feminist movements, local WGs who see the influx of EE WGs as a threat.

Human trafficking is a very serious crime and therefore has always been the top priority of law enforcers if the could see any evidence.

Offline Jimmyredcab

Trafficking of EU members of EE girls into UK is an urban myth.

I agree, EU members do not need to be trafficked, they can just walk through immigration.

"mikey" is obviously a prostitute with an axe to grind, good to see that she has been banned.

WG's are welcome on here but not when they pretend to be punters.  :thumbsdown:


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