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Author Topic: Is This Acceptable From a WG?  (Read 4308 times)

Offline AnthG

but as I had not paid upfront and I was getting the fee counted, she asked if I could cover the additional time. 

What are the thoughts here?

I haven't read the whole thread. I stopped at Nagilums post as I think he has posted the answer.

1. She has always thought about charging extra and this time tried her luck. 

If this is the first booking she waited till the end for her money (something that never-ever happens the WG taking the money at the end). Then this was a conscious choice of hers from the start due to the previous bookings running over.

So if this is the case, and this is the first booking it has been pay at the end then there are a few ways to look at it.

Firstly, she obviously made a deliberate decision of not caring if it run over (or deliberately herself tried to make it run over) just to try and get more money out of you this time.

But the other way to look at it is, if she wants it, and you do not pay that is bye-bye regular as she probably wont allow any more bookings from you.

This really is one of those 'it depends' issues. My stance on it is reading it today. (Which i appreciate may change depending on my mood as it really is a 'it completely depends on how you look at this' type situation), but at the moment my stance would be.

1. She is the professional, you are paying her to be professional and manage the bookings. If she let it run over for another hour then its her fault. She should have agreed the extra hour as soon as the first one ended. If she did not, then its a freebie.

2. As the customer its not your responsibility to let her know your time is up. Time management is her responsibility being the service provider.

3. If you booked her and left early. Or even just sat chatting the entire time, no way would she or any WG refund you a penny in either circumstance. They would come back and say 'tough that is you fault'.

4. If she deliberately changed it to pay at the end, then it was a deliberate ploy to drag this out to then ask for more money. Not professional at all.

The only thing to think about is she may have just asked for this not as a demand, but as a 'you be nice to me and do this for me' type request to you. Similar to when a WG cancels last minute and you ask for a discount off a subsequent booking. They don't have to do this, they are just in effect doing a good turn (or better put on the WGs behalf, showing good business logic) by agreeing to this request. Many WGs will say nope no discounts no matter what.

So the nitty gritty of it is, do you want to book this girl again, and have her still be on good terms with you when you do. If so pay that extra, if not, don't.

Or you don't want to pay, but want to see if you can still see her again, you could try to wing it a little and say something like, thanks for doing this and if you want I will bring you a nice gift for you doing this today for the next time we see each other. And then just take a box of chocolates along to the next booking.

That really is it in my eyes.
« Last Edit: January 13, 2016, 10:18:10 AM by AnthG »

I think I may know who the girl is (just a hunch) but won't name her because you'll get other opportunists try to book an hour and try to get much more out of it. The OP hasn't reviewed her.

To ask if it's acceptable when the OP clearly took advantage and fucked her for 2 hours knowing he's only going to pay for one hour is ironic. It's called boundary pushing. Wasn't it Sylvester/Atticus who claimed he often had free time added because he was a gentleman towards a girl. The OP needs to assess his actions.

It is quite obvious who this girl is...

Any amount of time in addition to what has been paid for is extra, it doesn't matter if it is a 1st meet or a 10th meet, it shouldn't be taken for granted. It seems OP got accustomed to the extra time and MIGHT have taken the piss by accident? Or at least the girl in question view it as such.

Though I agree with OP that the extra time shouldn't be compensated if it is not agreed. It cannot be implied, and it is indeed poor form to ask for additional compensation after the fact and would be unacceptable. BUT in this case like OP has also mentioned, she wasn't insisting on the extra compensation, but merely suggesting (as OP probably wouldn't have carried the extra money in any case). It is clear that she wasn't demanding the extra compensation, but more like asking for a gesture of good will which is acceptable in my opinion.
« Last Edit: January 13, 2016, 10:21:51 AM by Punting Valley »

You know how long an hour is.

I tend to leave early. Once I've cum twice I'm ready to leave.

Offline Marmalade

Maybe she'll out herself and come on here to give 'her side' of the story  :D

I think I may know who the girl is (just a hunch) but won't name her because you'll get other opportunists try to book an hour and try to get much more out of it. The OP hasn't reviewed her.

To ask if it's acceptable when the OP clearly took advantage and fucked her for 2 hours knowing he's only going to pay for one hour is ironic. It's called boundary pushing. Wasn't it Sylvester/Atticus who claimed he often had free time added because he was a gentleman towards a girl. The OP needs to assess his actions.

Probably Sylvesticus advised her to charge all the others who get extra!


Offline Expl1cit

To ask if it's acceptable when the OP clearly took advantage and fucked her for 2 hours knowing he's only going to pay for one hour is ironic. It's called boundary pushing. Wasn't it Sylvester/Atticus who claimed he often had free time added because he was a gentleman towards a girl. The OP needs to assess his actions.

If I fucked her for two hours, I would have certainly offered the additional funds myself and apologised for the overrun, but I've never had a round of sex with a WG or in fact in a civvy relationship that has lasted remotely close to 2 hours.  Free time was added post punt, not because I am a gentleman but we had a few things in common and seemed to get on well.  As I have stated on this thread, it was never my intention to book an hour and stay for longer.
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Offline AnthG

To ask if it's acceptable when the OP clearly took advantage and fucked her for 2 hours knowing he's only going to pay for one hour is ironic. It's called boundary pushing.

No its not its called 'being a customer'. A sensible customer will get the best deal he can, or the most he possibly can for his money. In any industry under the sun. Its up to the service provider to deem if its ok or not.

Any other profession, if the service provider ran over time, nobody would see any issue with it bar this one.

When I go to my GPs they make it clear each person gets a 10minute slot maximum. One time I went to my GPs and I was in my GPs room for 40mins bringing her surgery right back and late.

Whose fault is that, mine or the GPs? Was I boundary pushing my GP?

When I was learning to drive a few years back I was paying £20 per hour. One time we were doing a lesson that took way longer than an hour. I thus went over by an hour and so the instructor was late for his next customer. Whose fault was that mine or the instructors?. Was I boundary pushing the instructor?

When I was doing my Open University course, our class would meet up with our teacher from 9am to 12pm on a Saturday as an optional extra for our course if you were stuck on anything and wanted further help. One time I was really stuck on something so my teacher stayed back till 1pm with me going over it. Was I boundary pushing my teacher?
« Last Edit: January 13, 2016, 12:31:19 PM by AnthG »

Offline Expl1cit

When I was doing my Open University course, our class would meet up with our teacher from 9am to 12pm on a Saturday as an optional extra for our course if you were stuck on anything and wanted further help. One time I was really stuck on something so my teacher stayed back till 1pm with me going over it. Was I boundary pushing my teacher?
If it was a Biology class, you were stuck on understanding the reproductive system and asked for a demo in how it works, you may well be a boundary pusher  ;)
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For incall bookings, I usually book an hour as I prefer a more relaxed session even though I only come once. 

One of my favourite regulars, who I have seen a total of four times has always been very relaxed about timekeeping, with me and most others from reading UKP reviews.  On our first three sessions, they overran by a minimum of two hours as we spent quite a lot of time talking, never more than an hour of fun.

On the recent fourth visit, again booked for 1 hour, we over ran by one hour, so two in total.  This session was a little different and involved less talking. I spent a good half an hour on RO and there was extended foreplay but I still only came once, and that was enough for me.  I didn't have any idea of the time, and even if I did - I assumed from previous visits that it was all good.  I never intend to get free time, but if its available and I have nowhere to be, then I am not going to turn it down.

She commented at the end that oh gosh, look at the time, its been 2 hours (which is shorter than our previous three sessions) but as I had not paid upfront and I was getting the fee counted, she asked if I could cover the additional time.  I found this to be quite poor form.  Had I known prior to the meet that I was booking two hours, I could have planned it better - maybe tried to get a second pop or probably just got straight to business and wrapped up within the hour, got dressed, paid the fee, and then spent some time chatting until she suggested I get moving or dropped a subtle hint. 

I had the extra money on me, and she didn't ask for a full hour rate but its more the principle that I wasn't happy with.  What are the thoughts here?

I'm going against the grain here, and am not known for my fluffiness. I think there's another way of looking at this, and that's that the WG in question was sort-of alright about over-running before, but on this last occasion wasn't.

And she's entitled not to be OK about it. It's a business to her. So asking for the extra money is not unreasonable.

You, in turn, are equally entitled to turn around and say we over-ran before and you were OK then. So why not now?

If it were me, and she's a good lay and she appreciates your repeat business, then I'd want to know the answer.

Offline Marmalade

I think that's fair comment from KN and have come across not dissimilar scenarios. The prossie takes a relative shine to a punter, especially say after she's had three utter arseholes (or worse arseholes) in a row. She relaxes and gives him some latitude and boy is he grateful. Starts to think she 'likes' him. Then one day the prossie has to get up for yet another fucking appointment and thinks to herself, "Why am I being so nice to this fat bastard who's basically taking (or I'm letting take) advantage? Fuck that. It's a business arrangement!"

I've lost count of the number of prossies who have 'tightened up' their arrangements. If they are going to survive in the business they need to get their head straight on such things. I think the better ones let an appointment run over by ten or fifteen minutes quite deliberately, as standard, to make a good impression (as indeed it does) and probably do it every time unless she has to fuck off somewhere or the punter is so bloody painful she wants shot of him faster than she can say bulima.
 :hi:

Offline SamLP

No its not its called 'being a customer'. A sensible customer will get the best deal he can, or the most he possibly can for his money. In any industry under the sun. Its up to the service provider to deem if its ok or not.

Any other profession, if the service provider ran over time, nobody would see any issue with it bar this one.

When I go to my GPs they make it clear each person gets a 10minute slot maximum. One time I went to my GPs and I was in my GPs room for 40mins bringing her surgery right back and late.

Whose fault is that, mine or the GPs? Was I boundary pushing my GP?

When I was learning to drive a few years back I was paying £20 per hour. One time we were doing a lesson that took way longer than an hour. I thus went over by an hour and so the instructor was late for his next customer. Whose fault was that mine or the instructors?. Was I boundary pushing the instructor?

When I was doing my Open University course, our class would meet up with our teacher from 9am to 12pm on a Saturday as an optional extra for our course if you were stuck on anything and wanted further help. One time I was really stuck on something so my teacher stayed back till 1pm with me going over it. Was I boundary pushing my teacher?

Your examples are all irrelevant to this situation. GP's & teachers are being paid regardless. The time frames are there to organise their days but they still get paid the same amount and work the same hours. You said it happened once with your driving instructor, not 4 times and in that case your instructor may have allowed it. In this case it seems the OP was trying to push his luck, and the girl isn't the normal one you meet that chucks you out when your time is up. If it's who i think it is, your time starts when the action starts. Any shower time isn't taken out of your punt. She doesn't clock watch, offers your a drink and doesn't rush you out, preferring to have a chat and relax before you leave, and since she doesn't operate back to back bookings some punters try to take advantage of it. That to me sounds like boundary pushing, and although I do agree that a sensible customer tries to get the best deal possible, this in my view isn't sensible given the knowledge that the girl is too nice to say anything about it. It's taking advantage.

Offline Expl1cit

If it's who i think it is, your time starts when the action starts. Any shower time isn't taken out of your punt. She doesn't clock watch, offers your a drink and doesn't rush you out, preferring to have a chat and relax before you leave, and since she doesn't operate back to back bookings some punters try to take advantage of it.

Mate, with respect, you have no fucking idea who it is.  Do you know how many WG's there are operating in the UK that don't clock watch and have a chat before you leave or do back to back bookings!  If I felt I was taking advantage, she could and would have cut the earlier sessions shorter.  She could not have known I would have extra cash with me and maybe at a stretch, it could have been the end of her tether for me and others taking advantage and she wanted to subtly let me know so next time I would know. 

Its all irrelevant trying to second guess the reasons - for the sake of the argument i'll agree that I was "boundary pushing" and she had enough and its a lesson learnt.  1) Take the agreed fee only  2) Pay up front  3) Get straight into action without a long chat at the beginning  4) If the session overruns a bit, cool.  If it overruns a lot, apologise and say next time we'll keep an eye on the clock. 

I still maintain that asking for additional fees because YOU allow things to overrun is poor form but I probably wouldn't have returned anyway so no damage done either way.
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Offline SamLP

I don't give a flying monkeys if I don't know who it is and I could be wrong (you said she was a forum favourite so I made my own guess), but you haven't mentioned who the girl is and want us to judge her based on your story. If you can't accept the replies then don't post a question asking us. Yes, the question was related to her and whether it was acceptable, but topics rarely are one dimensional, deal with it.

Offline AnthG

That to me sounds like boundary pushing, and although I do agree that a sensible customer tries to get the best deal possible, this in my view isn't sensible given the knowledge that the girl is too nice to say anything about it. It's taking advantage.

Trust me, and I do mean really trust me on this, thinking any WG is some timid thing that needs punters to be worried that they are being taken advantage of is the road to ruin in this hobby.

She will be as hard nosed as every other WG going. She is just using this extra time and appearing pure as the driven snow as her business stratergy to entice punters to book.

If someone took the piss, you'd suddenly see her true colours come out from her. And it wouldn't be no timid response. (And I say this not even knowing who the girl is). If she wanted to, she could have asked the punter to leave, or said "if you want to stay this will be another hour".

If you do not like my GP, or Teacher examples. Here is another. If I go to a store, and start haggling with a sales person to get a deal from them. And that sales person is too timid and gives me a massive good deal solely due to this. That customer should not feel bad they got it. Its all part and parcel of being a customer.

The only thing this topic has done is likely ruined it for him and everyone else as this WG will likely now never offer anyone extra time. That was the OPs daft fault. He should have kept quiet. Especially if he didn't pay it inside the booking. And especially if he knew she read the forum.
« Last Edit: January 13, 2016, 01:45:38 PM by AnthG »

Offline Marmalade

If someone took the piss, you'd suddenly see her true colours come out from her. And it wouldn't be no timid response. (And I say this not even knowing who the girl is). If she wanted to, she could have asked the punter to leave, or said "if you want to stay this will be another hour".
I agree with your comment Anth and pleased you joined the discussion. The only thing I'd add is that some of them do it unconsciously, what you said, simply cos they don't fucking think, at all, it's too much like hard work. It's also maybe a waste of time trying to understand women's brains on this. They will 'genuinely' think one thing one minute and then not only change their mind but backdate their new opinion. It's not that they're all totally incapable, just that a lot of them choose to be.
(Ditto, "A woman never loses an argument: if she appears to lose an argument, that is simply the start of the next argument. :rolleyes:)

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The only thing this topic has done is likely ruined it for him and everyone else as this WG will likely now never offer anyone extra time. That was the OPs daft fault. He should have kept quiet. Especially if he didn't pay it inside the booking. And especially if he knew she read the forum.
We all act or have acted like dummies at sometime. It's a school of hard knocks, and you don't need me to remind you. As I assume(d) the OP isn't a total beginner I take it as good humour that he chose to open himself up for UKP Agony Aunt opinions. You will always get advice and opinions when you do that, but usually not the advice you want. He's possibly lost his good time bargain girl: that will be hard knocks enough and maybe in retrospect more useful an experience than anything that could be said on here.

Offline The_Don

She will be as hard nosed as every other WG going.

Some are worse than others and YMMV with any W/G.

Offline Marmalade

Some are worse than others and YMMV with any W/G.
Said in one line. But not very exciting.  :cool:

Offline SamLP

Trust me, and I do mean really trust me on this, thinking any WG is some timid thing that needs punters to be worried that they are being taken advantage of is the road to ruin in this hobby.

She will be as hard nosed as every other WG going. She is just using this extra time and appearing pure as the driven snow as her business stratergy to entice punters to book.

If someone took the piss, you'd suddenly see her true colours come out from her. And it wouldn't be no timid response. (And I say this not even knowing who the girl is). If she wanted to, she could have asked the punter to leave, or said "if you want to stay this will be another hour".

I've seen enough girls to know that. I really don't need to be convinced, and I'm the furthest away from a fluffy punter that you'l find. I'm not worried about any girl nor feel the need to worry. I just state things like it is. Me, like many punters have gone overtime with a girl, whether it's 5, 10 or 15 minutes and most girls won't say a word. It may have been I hadn't cum and the girl didn't want me to leave without having done so or it was one of those punts where you were both having fun and she allowed it. The example made here was different which is why I've made my point. It seems the OP knew what he was doing and didn't expect her reaction, not did he expect a few responses on this thread, and believe me the girl I was alluding to (if it was her) is too nice for her own sake and did tell me on one of our punts that some guys use that to book her for an hour and try to stay 2 or 3 hours and she's too shy to tell them time is up. Eventually she's had to with a few. She may need to harden up a little on that front.

Offline lcb

For WG its a job not a hobby. Sounds like she may have used her extra time as a USP to stand out from other WGs which is fair then she hopes to get repeat business / positively reviewed

But overstaying by hours at a time is taking the piss and it seems only right to ask to be compensated. Even if its talking or fucking your using her time. Chatting and pretending to be interested in you are all part of the punt experience

But overstaying by hours at a time is taking the piss and it seems only right to ask to be compensated. Even if its talking or fucking your using her time. Chatting and pretending to be interested in you are all part of the punt experience

Must have been really trying on his 4th visit for her to snap and say shut the fuck up ! Your paying for me to listen to that bullshit !

Offline Expl1cit

Must have been really trying on his 4th visit for her to snap and say shut the fuck up ! Your paying for me to listen to that bullshit !
Haha I thought I saw a shadow under the bed.  Was that you under there?  You talk about the experience like you know her and you know me - "reading between the lines"

I do get the general feeling though - it made me quite sick reading some of USH's posts (and other fluffies) about extended free chats with the ladies and I agree it should never be part of a punt.  You fuck, maybe have a brief chat at the end and fuck off.  I get it!!!  Some may allow a little or a lot of extra time as part of their USP for an unrushed experience.  Perhaps with hindsight, I was subconsciously taking the piss with her, and if she felt that way, then good for her for calling me up on it.  But I get the feeling (perhaps a delusional feeling) that there was mutual benefit to the post punt chats and it was a two sided convo.

Maybe I should just stick to fucking them, and save the chats for the real world  :thumbsup:
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Offline Si198

Personally I think you should of paid for the hour at the start if you ran over then she wouldn't be able to say can you pay the extra.

I agree based on previous punts you went over due to talking and she didn't ask for extra but in this instance you was doing more than an hours worth of foreplay which I think would entitle her to ask for extra.

I bet if you paid at the start and the punt went the way it did then she am wouldn't of said anything but as you hadn't paid she did.

Haha I thought I saw a shadow under the bed.  Was that you under there?  You talk about the experience like you know her and you know me - "reading between the lines"

I do get the general feeling though - it made me quite sick reading some of USH's posts (and other fluffies) about extended free chats with the ladies and I agree it should never be part of a punt.  You fuck, maybe have a brief chat at the end and fuck off.  I get it!!!  Some may allow a little or a lot of extra time as part of their USP for an unrushed experience.  Perhaps with hindsight, I was subconsciously taking the piss with her, and if she felt that way, then good for her for calling me up on it.  But I get the feeling (perhaps a delusional feeling) that there was mutual benefit to the post punt chats and it was a two sided convo.

Maybe I should just stick to fucking them, and save the chats for the real world  :thumbsup:

Up to you and who ever you visit in the end, don't think you are in USH league though he was incapable of criticism and wrote noting negative ever except about smiths calling him names !

Good thread though getting lots of perspectives on the matter.  Maybe if you are a talker this tread teaches to pay in advance if you like the post fuck chit chat to go on a while longer than most, the other nugget is don't carry more than you are wanting to spend.
« Last Edit: January 13, 2016, 05:31:05 PM by virtualwaster »

Offline smiths

I think I may know who the girl is (just a hunch) but won't name her because you'll get other opportunists try to book an hour and try to get much more out of it. The OP hasn't reviewed her.

To ask if it's acceptable when the OP clearly took advantage and fucked her for 2 hours knowing he's only going to pay for one hour is ironic. It's called boundary pushing. Wasn't it Sylvester/Atticus who claimed he often had free time added because he was a gentleman towards a girl. The OP needs to assess his actions.

A number of those white knight fluffy cunts claimed this and that Sam, personally I don't even believe all or indeed many of their punts they reviewed actually occurred, I think they colluded with the WGs so as to get her more business off here while they got a free punt or more. Dodgy pricks the lot of them in my book, and there are still some on here I view just the same. :thumbsdown:

Offline willmo1

Haha I thought I saw a shadow under the bed.  Was that you under there?  You talk about the experience like you know her and you know me - "reading between the lines"

I do get the general feeling though - it made me quite sick reading some of USH's posts (and other fluffies) about extended free chats with the ladies and I agree it should never be part of a punt.  You fuck, maybe have a brief chat at the end and fuck off.  I get it!!!  Some may allow a little or a lot of extra time as part of their USP for an unrushed experience.  Perhaps with hindsight, I was subconsciously taking the piss with her, and if she felt that way, then good for her for calling me up on it.  But I get the feeling (perhaps a delusional feeling) that there was mutual benefit to the post punt chats and it was a two sided convo.



Maybe I should just stick to fucking them, and save the chats for the real world  :thumbsup:

I think youve seen the wood for the trees on this. Worth try but theres no such thing as a free lunch.  ;)
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