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Author Topic: Known Bait And Switchers?  (Read 3173 times)

Offline smiths

There have been some interesting posts recently on the Positive Reviews board in my view.

Punters have punted with who they know are groups of WGs run by a pimp/agent whatever you wish to call them off A/W, and some know this agent baits and switches but they have also had some good punts with WGs from this group.

So they know they may or may not get bait and switched but are prepared to continue to take a risk presumably hoping to punt with a good WG.

Now to me if i got bait and switched once by a group i wouldnt be going back as i was aware they are prepared to do this and i wouldnt want a known to me blatant liar to have my money, or encourage them by still punting through them. To me the risks outweigh any possible rewards and in the particular thread i just posted on on the Positive Review board the bait and switch group is in London so its not as though there isnt other options available to punters.

If you got bait and switched would you ever return to punt with another WG you know is from the same group?

If you had had a good punt but been bait and switched on a future one would you ever return hoping this time will be like the punt before the bait and switch experience?

To me this site is here to expose things like bait and switch, yet because some punters have had good punts with WGs within a group they know baits and switches a review goes on the Positive Review board. So the agent who bait and switches benefits in fact by getting a positive review as well as the actual WG.

 I am making a big distiction here between say an Agency that has both good and bad WGs so reviews are done on both. Here its known the agent bait and switches and the punter wont know till he arrives whether he will be bait and switched or not.

Do such known liars deserve to be praised which in turn could lead to other punters being baited and switched?
« Last Edit: August 27, 2012, 05:29:29 PM by smiths »

Offline Joe Blob

If I  book a 25yr old English girl, size 8 for outcall, gets 40yr old, 25 stone Russian shotputter as B&S, then no, I don't go back.

If I go to a flat with 5 EEs and book girl A, but she's busy and I'm offered girl B, I'll accept if she's OK and be prepared to go back. After all, another punter in 3 hours time will book girl B and end up with girl A, so it's not B & S in its true form

Sure, it shouldn't happen, but the punting world isn't perfect, and as long as you're prepared for these things, ready to accept the punt may not happen, and have a plan B, no harm is done.

Offline haystacks79

For me, I pick the girl that I want to see based on the way she looks and sounds on her profile (wherever that is), and what feedback says about her. Personality is very important to me, as I need time to relax before I can enjoy myself, so it needs to be with someone that I feel I can relax with. And there has to be some physical attraction as well, naturally!

So I would find it very difficult to enjoy myself if I got to a punt and found a different girl waiting for me - even if she looked great, without knowing anything about her, and having that time to prepare myself, I just don't think it would work. Not having been in this situation, I don't know if I'd walk or carry on to see what happened. I'd see this as very dishonest on the part of the agency/girl and wouldn't be returning. I'd probably be naming and shaming here as well.

Luckily I can't see this happening in quite this way with those I'm booking. The closest I've experienced to this was being informed an hour and a half before I was due to see a girl that she wasn't going to be available, and I was offered the option to cancel or to see another girl - in this case it was one that I knew a bit about, so I went for it and it worked out pretty well. Not exactly a bait and switch, as I knew the original girl existed as I'd seen her before, and I was given the options in plenty of time.

Offline smiths

If I  book a 25yr old English girl, size 8 for outcall, gets 40yr old, 25 stone Russian shotputter as B&S, then no, I don't go back.

If I go to a flat with 5 EEs and book girl A, but she's busy and I'm offered girl B, I'll accept if she's OK and be prepared to go back. After all, another punter in 3 hours time will book girl B and end up with girl A, so it's not B & S in its true form

Sure, it shouldn't happen, but the punting world isn't perfect, and as long as you're prepared for these things, ready to accept the punt may not happen, and have a plan B, no harm is done.

I am talking about when you already know they bait and switch either from your own experiences or because you believe a poster on here or that you know. Would you then punt with a WG through the group?


When you say go to a flat i assume you mean you have booked a specific WG, its not a walk-in, it was a phone or email booking you made after seeing a specific WGs profile. If the case unless you actually see girl A with your own eyes you wont know if she is really busy or in reality doesnt exist. If you actually see her then thats different in my view, it goes from bait and switch to bad service. Obviously if the WG you do see who might be the switch is to your taste then thats your business, only once has the switch i have been offered been someone i fancied enough to punt with.

Thanks for your views. ;)

If I  book a 25yr old English girl, size 8 for outcall, gets 40yr old, 25 stone Russian shotputter as B&S, then no, I don't go back.

If I go to a flat with 5 EEs and book girl A, but she's busy and I'm offered girl B, I'll accept if she's OK and be prepared to go back. After all, another punter in 3 hours time will book girl B and end up with girl A, so it's not B & S in its true form

Sure, it shouldn't happen, but the punting world isn't perfect, and as long as you're prepared for these things, ready to accept the punt may not happen, and have a plan B, no harm is done.

Agree with everything here. Luckily in London if I have to walk, I just jump on a train and can get to my plan B fairly quickly.

Offline smiths

Agree with everything here. Luckily in London if I have to walk, I just jump on a train and can get to my plan B fairly quickly.

But what if YOU knew the agent was a bait and switcher, would that put you off them, thats my point?

Offline yumyum3

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But what if YOU knew the agent was a bait and switcher, would that put you off them, thats my point?

It probably would. But if it wasn't too far away and I knew there were different ladies; some of whom were often tasty and I could walk easily I might give them a fair go  :)

Good post, by the way  :drinks:

Offline smiths

It probably would. But if it wasn't too far away and I knew there were different ladies; some of whom were often tasty and I could walk easily I might give them a fair go  :)

Good post, by the way  :drinks:

Thanks mate and thanks for your reply. :drinks: ;)

Offline Joe Blob

I am talking about when you already know they bait and switch either from your own experiences or because you believe a poster on here or that you know. Would you then punt with a WG through the group?


When you say go to a flat i assume you mean you have booked a specific WG, its not a walk-in, it was a phone or email booking you made after seeing a specific WGs profile. If the case unless you actually see girl A with your own eyes you wont know if she is really busy or in reality doesnt exist. If you actually see her then thats different in my view, it goes from bait and switch to bad service. Obviously if the WG you do see who might be the switch is to your taste then thats your business, only once has the switch i have been offered been someone i fancied enough to punt with.

Thanks for your views. ;)

I'm thinking of the profiles that are obviously part of a group, and may therefore work from the same place, and where I may or may not have heard of switching happening. If I booked one, I'd go along fully aware that it might happen, and fully prepared. With the right attitude, you turn it to your advantage because you get two chances: you either see your chosen girl, or get to look at and decide whether to accept the sub.

Another example is the Oriental flats where the girls move every week or so, and there's usually a generic pretty girl pic shown. I go along knowing full well I won't see the girl pictured, with a readymade excuse to walk if I don't like what I see. I have to confess I hate to see these 'exposed' and struck off, because all the regular guys who punt at these places know the score and are quite happy with it.

I think one of the reasons I don't have many bad punts is that I accept the world of punting isn't perfect, try to work with the imperfections and turn them in my favour.

Offline mattylondon


Do such known liars deserve to be praised which in turn could lead to other punters being baited and switched?
Everybody is different, but for me it would be a no-go, on pure principle. I don't like being mislead or lied to. End of.

But what if YOU knew the agent was a bait and switcher, would that put you off them, thats my point?

If I was paying £100+ and/or travelling a long time, then hell-no, I would not take that risk. But with the particular agency discussed here, I'm not bothered. Reason being that firstly, their rates are very good, so I am willing to put up with some hiccups. Secondly, i know from experience that generally their girls are pretty good, so if one isn't available and im offered a suitable replacement, then yea I might go for it (I have had two very memorable punts like this, and so that has probably softened my attitude to being switched). My main concern is seeing a girl I find attractive and gives good service and I'm not really too bothered about the hiccups or crappy organisation on the business side of things.

Also, I very much agree with Joe Blobb about accepting the punting world isn't perfect. I have that same outlook and im not so 'hardline' when it comes to booking, so I find im disappointed less this way.

And agreed, good thread.
« Last Edit: August 27, 2012, 10:06:33 PM by jesus_jones »

Offline smiths

I'm thinking of the profiles that are obviously part of a group, and may therefore work from the same place, and where I may or may not have heard of switching happening. If I booked one, I'd go along fully aware that it might happen, and fully prepared. With the right attitude, you turn it to your advantage because you get two chances: you either see your chosen girl, or get to look at and decide whether to accept the sub.

Another example is the Oriental flats where the girls move every week or so, and there's usually a generic pretty girl pic shown. I go along knowing full well I won't see the girl pictured, with a readymade excuse to walk if I don't like what I see. I have to confess I hate to see these 'exposed' and struck off, because all the regular guys who punt at these places know the score and are quite happy with it.

I think one of the reasons I don't have many bad punts is that I accept the world of punting isn't perfect, try to work with the imperfections and turn them in my favour.

Thanks Joe. What i find particularly fascinating is unlike myself in and outside punting where i expect honesty some like yourself can not only accept dishonesty in punting but as you say here wouldnt want it exposed. ;)

Offline smiths

If I was paying £100+ and/or travelling a long time, then hell-no, I would not take that risk. But with the particular agency discussed here, I'm not bothered. Reason being that firstly, their rates are very good, so I am willing to put up with some hiccups. Secondly, i know from experience that generally their girls are pretty good, so if one isn't available and im offered a suitable replacement, then yea I might go for it (I have had two very memorable punts like this, and so that has probably softened my attitude to being switched). My main concern is seeing a girl I find attractive and gives good service and I'm not really too bothered about the hiccups or crappy organisation on the business side of things.

Also, I very much agree with Joe Blobb about accepting the punting world isn't perfect. I have that same outlook and im not so 'hardline' when it comes to booking, so I find im disappointed less this way.

And agreed, good thread.

Thanks, pragmatism, if it suits you why not. ;)

Offline smiths

Everybody is different, but for me it would be a no-go, on pure principle. I don't like being mislead or lied to. End of.

Thanks, thats certainly my view nowadays although it hasnt always been so.

Like you i have principles on things, i cant and wont sell them out as i see it, this has become more rigid as i have got older.

Sometimes i think back to my pre-net punting days and think ignorance was bloody bliss. ;)

Offline Joe Blob

Thanks Joe. What i find particularly fascinating is unlike myself in and outside punting where i expect honesty some like yourself can not only accept dishonesty in punting but as you say here wouldnt want it exposed. ;)

Wouldn't want it exposed for those Oriental flats. It's rather like the "£2 for the maid in Soho," anywhere else you'd tell them to piss off, but in Soho you accept it. With the Orientals, I think they're protecting their IDs rather than trying to deceive.

And as I say, the punting world isn't perfect; would you really walk away on principle if the replacement was an absolute stunner, even better than the one whose pics you saw?

There's only so much nannying of punters you can do. We all have to learn from experience how to have good punts and avoid the bad. You've worked out what works for you, and I've got it sussed for me; poor old Jim's a lost cause   :D :D :D

Offline Jimmyredcab

If I knew that a brothel operated the bait and switch scam I would avoid it like the plague, if I am told the girl is from Sweden I don't want to meet a girl from Moldova.   ;)

Offline smiths

Wouldn't want it exposed for those Oriental flats. It's rather like the "£2 for the maid in Soho," anywhere else you'd tell them to piss off, but in Soho you accept it. With the Orientals, I think they're protecting their IDs rather than trying to deceive.

And as I say, the punting world isn't perfect; would you really walk away on principle if the replacement was an absolute stunner, even better than the one whose pics you saw?

There's only so much nannying of punters you can do. We all have to learn from experience how to have good punts and avoid the bad. You've worked out what works for you, and I've got it sussed for me; poor old Jim's a lost cause   :D :D :D

Nowadays i would walk Joe because my vibe would be spoiled by the lie and i cant bring myself to pay liars. I would go to a regular or party instead so i would punt though.;)


Joe, can you please stop posting my exact thoughts because it is scaring me. Thanks.

Agree with everything you posted...again!

Also Smiths, I totally respect your attitude. I kinda hate that half of what I pay goes to a shit pimp that baits and switches and just outright lies on occasion, but alas the quality of his girls, prices and locations brings me back.
« Last Edit: August 27, 2012, 10:41:36 PM by jesus_jones »

Offline smiths

If I knew that a brothel operated the bait and switch scam I would avoid it like the plague, if I am told the girl is from Sweden I don't want to meet a girl from Moldova.   ;)

Indeed, but this thread and some others today show some other punters dont think the same as you or indeed me on this. ;)

Offline adindas

I got switched a few times in the places with the particular agency discussed here. When the replacement girls are good I will stay otherwise I will proceed to plan B.

Living in London and sometimes have to travel close to that areas, although annoying but switch is not a big deal as I could easily proceed to plan B.

Although I know the switching is quite often with this particular agency. But sometimes if you are lucky the switching girl turn to be better than the girl that you are looking for. This is also the opportunity to see the new comer who start working there. Sometimes the new one do not have pictures on AW, so the only possibility is to come and see.

Also normally the service of the WG is generally good.  Although some are not but majority of their escorts are young and attractive. Not to mention their rate is very good.

But people who are not living in London and/or do not have much time to spend  in London I will suggest to avoid this agency as you might find you have been waiting there for about half hour and only to find you meet a different girl that you do not want to meet.
« Last Edit: August 27, 2012, 11:55:44 PM by adindas »

Offline jackdaw

I avoid known bait and switch agencies, for a number of reasons.

First. I want to see a specific WG of my choice with a particular look, attitude and range of services. Switches rarely work out for me.

Frankly with most agencies I've got experience you can take description of new woman with a hefty dose of salt. I usually travel a long distance for punts, I don't want a big risk of travelling a long time to just end up having to walk.

Agencies that are known B and S merchants will also cheat you in other ways.

Offline smiths

I avoid known bait and switch agencies, for a number of reasons.

First. I want to see a specific WG of my choice with a particular look, attitude and range of services. Switches rarely work out for me.

Frankly with most agencies I've got experience you can take description of new woman with a hefty dose of salt. I usually travel a long distance for punts, I don't want a big risk of travelling a long time to just end up having to walk.

Agencies that are known B and S merchants will also cheat you in other ways.

Agreed. ;)


Offline Joe Blob

I usually travel a long distance for punts, I don't want a big risk of travelling a long time to just end up having to walk.


I very deliberately don't travel a long way, I make sure I'm in the area for another reason.

Another way of avoiding disappointment and making sure I'm not tempted to think with my dick.

Offline Jimmyredcab

I very deliberately don't travel a long way, I make sure I'm in the area for another reason.


Sometimes I have no choice, I have often had 20+ stops on the underground, it is not always practicle to have a plan B.


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