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Offline mattylondon

Your last point is very relevant, if you are paying £80 an hour and Sergei takes £40 then the girl is likely to feel pissed off.
Yes, I would agree with that but feel this would be the same regardless of the nationalities concerned.

I've seen plenty that start off charging £40 - £50 for 30 minutes, but once they find their feet, start working for themselves and keep all the money. A couple of Steve2's punts have gone that way. So will it be with Romanians and Bulgarian girls eventually, in greater numbers. There are plenty of Brits out there who are also pimped, in the rougher neighbourhoods.

What prossie wouldn't feel pissed off, sucking 12 cocks a day and only getting 50% of the money?
« Last Edit: January 08, 2016, 02:08:51 AM by mattylondon »

Offline Marmalade

Don't forget that the words 'pimped' and 'trafficked' tend to be used very loosely: by ourselves, by abolishionists, by legislators.

Morally there is a world of difference between a wonan working voluntarily and one who is not: a difference not always recognised sadly.

Under English law, 'trafficked' can include someone who was trapped into prostitution but it can also mean something as innocuous as an agency arranging transport or a working flat for a WG on tour when the WG made her own decision to escort freely and willingly (in other words the majority of escorts who firmly don't want 'rescued' from their chosen job.)

Probably some EEs are indeed trafficked or pimped in the bad sense, something that every right-minded punter is opposed to. Studies suggest that if the law were reformed it would be easier for such cases to be exposed, without normal prossies and punters being put off becoming 'involved'.

In cases where (particularly, I think, many Polish WGs who come over here), they simply hire a 'Sergei' ( often a woman) to write their profile and arrange a flat. (A bit like Soho walk-ups.) Sometimes 'Sergei' does a good job and sometimes he/she is a cunt. So the objection is not whether there is a Sergei but whether a) s/he does a good job in representing the WG's voluntary interests or is career criminal cunt, and b) whether s/he does a good job in representing the WG honestly on her profile to punters or just ticks everything. The second one may be intentional or non-intentional, depending on his/her level of English.

Not sticking up for the intermediaries where there are any, but remember the word tends to tar everyone with the same brush, from the horribly coerced foreigner to the genuine UK student who pays some guy to arrange working flats to save her the embarrassment and hassle, and so she can escort to pay for her education, booze, shoes and nail varnish.
« Last Edit: January 08, 2016, 07:26:20 AM by Marmalade »

Offline Jimmyredcab

Yes, I would agree with that but feel this would be the same regardless of the nationalities concerned.

I've seen plenty that start off charging £40 - £50 for 30 minutes, but once they find their feet, start working for themselves and keep all the money. A couple of Steve2's punts have gone that way. So will it be with Romanians and Bulgarian girls eventually, in greater numbers. There are plenty of Brits out there who are also pimped, in the rougher neighbourhoods.

What prossie wouldn't feel pissed off, sucking 12 cocks a day and only getting 50% of the money?

Yes, any nationality can have a pimp --------------- but what I am saying is that Romanians are more likely to be pimped than any other nationality.

One of our members did a review recently, when I looked at the profile she was Available Today but the profile was being accessed from Romania.    :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown:

Offline James999

Your last point is very relevant, if you are paying £80 an hour and Sergei takes £40 then the girl is likely to feel pissed off.

From reports in the media sergei takes a lot more than 50%, they indicate that the girl gets a flat rate of say £100 a day (not a bad wage for a Romanian who would at home earn a few pounds a day) and sergei would send in however many he could book in, be that 10 or 20, so take middle ground 15 and say £80 that means Sergei gets £1100 and the pro$$ie £100 after all Sergei must have expenses  :sarcastic:

Perhaps the pro$$ie getting less than £7 a client is the reason they give such a shit service, and of course they have NO interest in returning business or regulars, as that's just more work for them but no more money for them as they get a fixed daily rate  :wacko:

Offline Marmalade

Yes, any nationality can have a pimp --------------- but what I am saying is that Romanians are more likely to be pimped than any other nationality.

Well phrased  :hi:

On the contrary the EEs I've seen (Hungarians in particular) have been superb. Many Polish girls have good reviews on here.
I have only punted with one EE and she was a Hungarian MILF and was great - fully living up to her profile. :P

Offline smiths

Don't forget that the words 'pimped' and 'trafficked' tend to be used very loosely: by ourselves, by abolishionists, by legislators.

Morally there is a world of difference between a wonan working voluntarily and one who is not: a difference not always recognised sadly.

Under English law, 'trafficked' can include someone who was trapped into prostitution but it can also mean something as innocuous as an agency arranging transport or a working flat for a WG on tour when the WG made her own decision to escort freely and willingly (in other words the majority of escorts who firmly don't want 'rescued' from their chosen job.)

Probably some EEs are indeed trafficked or pimped in the bad sense, something that every right-minded punter is opposed to. Studies suggest that if the law were reformed it would be easier for such cases to be exposed, without normal prossies and punters being put off becoming 'involved'.

In cases where (particularly, I think, many Polish WGs who come over here), they simply hire a 'Sergei' ( often a woman) to write their profile and arrange a flat. (A bit like Soho walk-ups.) Sometimes 'Sergei' does a good job and sometimes he/she is a cunt. So the objection is not whether there is a Sergei but whether a) s/he does a good job in representing the WG's voluntary interests or is career criminal cunt, and b) whether s/he does a good job in representing the WG honestly on her profile to punters or just ticks everything. The second one may be intentional or non-intentional, depending on his/her level of English.

Not sticking up for the intermediaries where there are any, but remember the word tends to tar everyone with the same brush, from the horribly coerced foreigner to the genuine UK student who pays some guy to arrange working flats to save her the embarrassment and hassle, and so she can escort to pay for her education, booze, shoes and nail varnish.

Indeed, having a pimp which MANY WGs choose to do including ALL that work at Parlours, Agencies and Parties is entirely different to being forced to be a WG by evil scum. On here some try to link the two but the evidence by way of convictions doesn't prove forced women is a big problem here. IMO what should happen is evil scum who traffic and/or force women to be WGs should be given a life sentence.

Whether punters like it or not pimps have always been involved in prostitution from the pimp of a street WG to a pimp who runs a big operation, despite them breaking the law I don't see that changing anytime soon, and some of these pimps are women, some of them ex-WGs. Literally ANY WG could have a pimp and a punter wouldn't know unless she told him. The pimp could be her partner who leeches off her or anyone else.

With EE WGs and indeed many foreign WGs they couldn't possible afford to rent a premises here so work for a pimp either for a while or for a long time in exchange for a cut of their fees, what this cut is will presumably vary but unless I believe a woman is being forced that's her business as I see it.

I now believe there are few real true Indie WGs about of any nationality including Brits, I cant prove it  but its what I think after reading punting forums for years and my own and the experiences of punters I trust. The only way to be certain of not punting with a WG who has a pimp is to not punt at all in my opinion.

Offline mattylondon

Yes, any nationality can have a pimp --------------- but what I am saying is that Romanians are more likely to be pimped than any other nationality.

One of our members did a review recently, when I looked at the profile she was Available Today but the profile was being accessed from Romania.    :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown:
In this moment and in relative proportion to their numbers, then I would agree with you. However, in time this will change, in my opinion.

It wasn't that long ago that London was swamped with Polish prossies, plenty of who were 'pimped out' or working in flats together. And I mean pimped, in that they didn't keep all of the money. And as smiths has rightly pointed out, pimped for me includes all parlours and establishments. Any prossie who gives a cut of their earnings to somebody else, is being pimped, in my opinion.  :hi:

As for the Polish girls, I know this for a fact because I visited a few of those flats. In particular, in Bermondsey but also the East End. Now, you don't really see groups of Polish girls working together in those numbers anymore. Times change. Girls go back home or earn enough money to go onto other things. The Polish prossies who remained whoring now work for themselves, in general. So will it be with the Romanians and Bulgarians. The better ones will start to become more 'independent', the con artists and skanks will go home or get out of the game.

The one constant that will remain is there will always be plenty of British skanks. Especially quite a few of the ex street whores, who've been driven from the streets by greater policing. As well as the general scumbags amongst them.
« Last Edit: January 08, 2016, 07:28:33 PM by mattylondon »


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