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Author Topic: Eye opener for fluffies and white Knights  (Read 3979 times)

Personally I think all this prossie life story stuff is a load of bollocks from them. Just one of their tactics of fucking the punter about.
Personally we are grown men and choose whether to be deceived or not.  No different from gamblers moaning about losing really everyone walks in with eyes wide open just with gambling people enter casinos with a maximum amount to lose, where as fluffies go in to the game and lose dignity, a priceless thing once you have lost it.

Offline Nagilum

Personally we are grown men and choose whether to be deceived or not.  No different from gamblers moaning about losing really everyone walks in with eyes wide open just with gambling people enter casinos with a maximum amount to lose, where as fluffies go in to the game and lose dignity, a priceless thing once you have lost it.

+1

Offline Marmalade

Can I just say, people keep saying its all the fluffy's at fault. ...
When really it's just a case of the WG trying her best to maximize profit on susceptible punters.

Anth, I know you are talking from the school of hard knocks and I respect that. But I do think there are shades of grey. As several people have said, it's a business arrangement. Not every prossie (in fact very few) is bright enough to enact a callous game plan (though some manage it with a little help from a coniving cunt of a brothel owner). Some of the comments were also good business practice from the prossie's viewpoint. (I don't like the way Tescos usurps community shopping but I can't fault their busines plan so easily.)

I think our concern here is for punters, just as saafe's is for prossies. It is reasonable to assume that a prossie may be a conniving thieving short-changing little clock-watcher but only inasmuch as it makes the punter take realistic precautions. If there is proof, then she goes on a blacklist. Otherwise they are simply black market business chancers and not all of them will be out to scam the punter. Some will want to establish a client base and of those, some may do it ethically by providing good service and good attitude, and others may try to entrap the punter by laying it on thick. I see no reason to condemn all prostitutes out of hand: merely be prepared for the worst but hope (intelligently) for the best. The "best" meaning good service and good attitude NOT extending 'GFE' to the period outside of the punt.
« Last Edit: January 07, 2016, 07:57:57 PM by Marmalade »

Offline Marmalade

Personally we are grown men and choose whether to be deceived or not.  No different from gamblers moaning about losing really everyone walks in with eyes wide open just with gambling people enter casinos with a maximum amount to lose, where as fluffies go in to the game and lose dignity, a priceless thing once you have lost it.
Spot on. Not every casino is "rigged" -- but they make no bones about the fact that winning odds are stacked against the customer!

Offline Sticky

Maybe I'm completely missing the point of all this, but from what I can tell this is about a small fraction of girls complaining about a small fraction of men and various people on both sides spewing vitriol.

I'm not keen on fluffies or WKs, but they're not the worst out there and not going to be deterred by reading stuff like that on SAAFE.

Similarly, those WGs are either going to put on a sterling acting performance or not care and give a shit service which might show up on here and so aren't really ones that matter.

Offline Nagilum

Maybe I'm completely missing the point of all this, but from what I can tell this is about a small fraction of girls complaining about a small fraction of men and various people on both sides spewing vitriol.

I'm not keen on fluffies or WKs, but they're not the worst out there and not going to be deterred by reading stuff like that on SAAFE.

Girls complaining about their clients being attached is more common than you think.  Most popular girls I have been with has told me some stories that involve stalking.  I never ask who theya re referring to as I believe discretion is paramount and there are two sides to every story.

Certainly - fluffies are not the worst, its the stalkers and violent ones that were probably fluffy to start and turned violent when shunned.

Offline Nagilum

Anth, I know you are talking from the school of hard knocks and I respect that. But I do think there are shades of grey. As several people have said, it's a business arrangement. Not every prossie (in fact very few) is bright enough to enact a callous game plan (though some manage it with a little help from a coniving cunt of a brothel owner). Some of the comments were also good business practice from the prossie's viewpoint. (I don't like the way Tescos usurps community shopping but I can't fault their busines plan so easily.)

I think our concern here is for punters, just as saafe's is for prossies. It is reasonable to assume that a prossie may be a conniving thieving short-changing little clock-watcher but only inasmuch as it makes the punter take realistic precautions. If there is proof, then she goes on a blacklist. Otherwise they are simply black market business chancers and not all of them will be out to scam the punter. Some will want to establish a client base and of those, some may do it ethically by providing good service and good attitude, and others may try to entrap the punter by laying it on thick. I see no reason to condemn all prostitutes out of hand: merely be prepared for the worst but hope (intelligently) for the best. The "best" meaning good service and good attitude NOT extending 'GFE' to the period outside of the punt.

Agreed +1

jcdmj12

Anth, I know you are talking from the school of hard knocks and I respect that. But I do think there are shades of grey. As several people have said, it's a business arrangement. Not every prossie (in fact very few) is bright enough to enact a callous game plan (though some manage it with a little help from a coniving cunt of a brothel owner). Some of the comments were also good business practice from the prossie's viewpoint. (I don't like the way Tescos usurps community shopping but I can't fault their busines plan so easily.)

I think our concern here is for punters, just as saafe's is for prossies. It is reasonable to assume that a prossie may be a conniving thieving short-changing little clock-watcher but only inasmuch as it makes the punter take realistic precautions. If there is proof, then she goes on a blacklist. Otherwise they are simply black market business chancers and not all of them will be out to scam the punter. Some will want to establish a client base and of those, some may do it ethically by providing good service and good attitude, and others may try to entrap the punter by laying it on thick. I see no reason to condemn all prostitutes out of hand: merely be prepared for the worst but hope (intelligently) for the best. The "best" meaning good service and good attitude NOT extending 'GFE' to the period outside of the punt.

Spot on. I'm generally nice to people who pay me, because it is profitable to be so. It doesn't mean I secretly hate them. Honestly, most of the time I don't have feelings one way or the other.  If they started calling me up and asking them to go to the cinema with them every Friday night for free because they liked my company so much, I'd be a bit fucking weirded out to say the least*.

I think it's OK to feel some EAS for a prossie as long as you keep it in perspective. I quite enjoy the headfuck and emotional rollercoaster for a few days when it happens, personally.  The problems come when you start thinking that your feelings are anything other than that... your feelings.   It's just something your brain does from time to time. It doesn't mean you're her special little snowflake.

The WG's responsibility towards you begins and ends with delivering the services paid for, in a pleasant and competent fashion.  Beyond that, she owes you nuttin', and if you expect more than that, at best you're asking to be blacklisted by her, and at worst, exploited for all the cash in your bank.

*assuming they weren't a hot, slutty woman in which case disregard this
« Last Edit: January 07, 2016, 08:30:37 PM by jcdmj12 »

I think it's important that we realise that's its not just prostitutes that are out for money but general woman are gold diggers (yes yes part of is biological,  wealth = security and a prosperous environment for their offspring, its programmed In their DNA)

Case In point
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XbYNAZxcWh4
 :unknown:

 we also have to accept that we Do plenty for money our selves,  depending how much we are willing to compromise, gain fiscally or mainly what opportunity arises.

My main point is, and why I started this thread, 

Money doesn't talk,  it SHOUTS IT SCREAMS and after a certain figure,  it says FUCK! ,  in all the languages under the sun!


Offline Pen2015

Anth, I know you are talking from the school of hard knocks and I respect that. But I do think there are shades of grey. As several people have said, it's a business arrangement. Not every prossie (in fact very few) is bright enough to enact a callous game plan (though some manage it with a little help from a coniving cunt of a brothel owner). Some of the comments were also good business practice from the prossie's viewpoint. (I don't like the way Tescos usurps community shopping but I can't fault their busines plan so easily.)

I think our concern here is for punters, just as saafe's is for prossies. It is reasonable to assume that a prossie may be a conniving thieving short-changing little clock-watcher but only inasmuch as it makes the punter take realistic precautions. If there is proof, then she goes on a blacklist. Otherwise they are simply black market business chancers and not all of them will be out to scam the punter. Some will want to establish a client base and of those, some may do it ethically by providing good service and good attitude, and others may try to entrap the punter by laying it on thick. I see no reason to condemn all prostitutes out of hand: merely be prepared for the worst but hope (intelligently) for the best. The "best" meaning good service and good attitude NOT extending 'GFE' to the period outside of the punt.

Spot on. I'm generally nice to people who pay me, because it is profitable to be so. It doesn't mean I secretly hate them. Honestly, most of the time I don't have feelings one way or the other.  If they started calling me up and asking them to go to the cinema with them every Friday night for free because they liked my company so much, I'd be a bit fucking weirded out to say the least*.

I think it's OK to feel some EAS for a prossie as long as you keep it in perspective. I quite enjoy the headfuck and emotional rollercoaster for a few days when it happens, personally.  The problems come when you start thinking that your feelings are anything other than that... your feelings.   It's just something your brain does from time to time. It doesn't mean you're her special little snowflake.

The WG's responsibility towards you begins and ends with delivering the services paid for, in a pleasant and competent fashion.  Beyond that, she owes you nuttin', and if you expect more than that, at best you're asking to be blacklisted by her, and at worst, exploited for all the cash in your bank.

*assuming they weren't a hot, slutty woman in which case disregard this

+1 to both these posts! Nothing I could add other than to say imo it simply all boils down to the intelligence (common sense if you like) & emotional intelligence of either the wg or punter. Crucially though, in this case I'd argue that the odds are stacked in favour of the wg. A punter, if "emotionally" thick is definitely going to be taken advantage of, to some degree, 100% of the time.

As for common sense:

During some punts it takes a while for the old boy to explode, i booked an hour session, so after 25 minutes of continuos fucking (no viagra needed) she mumbled "whens he gonna finish" in her own language not realising i could understand certain words/phrases. That was it for me never went back after that, she phoned me and texted me several times after that never responded back though :hi:

I loved this! Fucking snidey cow caught banged to rights!
« Last Edit: January 08, 2016, 05:18:35 AM by Pen2015 »

I'm not keen on fluffies or WKs, but they're not the worst out there.

Well that's a matter of opinion, I don't punt to have it influenced by these pricks either polluting reviews making choosing more difficult or chasing girls away from the industry.

No they need to be treated with complete contempt to realise what cockroaches they are, now they directly are affecting my punting would love to squash the cockroaches under my feet.

Offline GreyDave

 :hi: agree that some of the girls who are professional have huge problems with some of us punters.. One I ve seen  (damm good shag)  has had a really mad stalker causing terrible problems and the old bill seem to be pretty inaffective in dealing with these sort of complaints still....There is a point where a Fluffy is a Nutter and this buggers it for us all :drinks:
« Last Edit: January 08, 2016, 08:53:19 AM by GreyDave »

Offline Sticky

Well that's a matter of opinion, I don't punt to have it influenced by these pricks either polluting reviews making choosing more difficult or chasing girls away from the industry.

No they need to be treated with complete contempt to realise what cockroaches they are, now they directly are affecting my punting would love to squash the cockroaches under my feet.

While they're just fluffies or WKs they're annoying for the reasons you mentioned. Once they turn into stalkers then they're the worst in my view. Until then, time wasters and chancers are the worst since they end up convincing girls to stop working more than anyone else, and I'd be pissed if some girl I'd wanted to see stopped working because of others being twattish.

But that's just my opinion.

While they're just fluffies or WKs they're annoying for the reasons you mentioned. Once they turn into stalkers then they're the worst in my view. Until then, time wasters and chancers are the worst since they end up convincing girls to stop working more than anyone else, and I'd be pissed if some girl I'd wanted to see stopped working because of others being twattish.

But that's just my opinion.
Not my type of people but you are right they are very different levels on the scale.

Many try and normalise their behaviour thus encouraging more to move up the scale.

Might sound selfish but really pisses me of when it affects my punting because someone never learnt appropriate behaviour.


I have learned to spot the signs early so now in post sex chat I tend to make it clear that nothing more is on the cards and that I never mix business with my home life. I prefer to do this as then they can get themselves on check before they go too far. 

Just before Xmas I had to block all contact from a monthly six hour client as he didn't get it and it got to the point where if I kept contact open I would just be encouraging his fantasy which is a cruel thing to do just to keep the money coming in.

This would be the best course of action, however, there are those that get greedy and run the risk of getting jaded. We all want to get on as individuals and have fun, but some punters forget themselves and take it too personally.

Offline yumyum3

Quote
Unfortunately true. The first words of the alcoholic intending to give up, is "I'm an alcoholic." Only a small percentage of fluffies seem even to get that far. Those one or two that do are 'career fluffies' and only slightly more bearable because they admit it openly.

There's two aspects. Firstly UKP is indeed here to help punters: and part of being hard on fluffies is for their own sake to get them to wake up. Punting is more enjoyable as well as a lot safer (physically, emotionally, financially) if you can be realistic about it. If you can't, you might wake up one day from a happy litle stupor and wonder where your life went.

The other aspect is when we see dozens of fluffie reviews (and fluffies do indeed like to review, often at great length in technicolour - I guess it is reassuring for their egos and penises). Fluffie reviews are misleading. Not only in their words: but a casual reader will glance through reviews quite quickly and assume that Fanny x is better than Fanny y as Fanny x has ten good reviews and Fany y only has one. They don't stop to read the laborious paragraphs of shit about how "the lady opened the door" or the Disneyworld experience of several different positions. The may even miss the small print, on the rare occasions it's included, about how a size 6 girl "had a couple of extra pounds" or the sparkly 19yr old was "possibly in her thirties": they just see the word "Positive" put there largely "in fairness to the lady" who probably "did her best" (even though she was shite). Reviews like that are taking the piss IMO, taking the piss out of a unique forum with a strong punter-orientated ethos.
Good post, M. Deluded idiots and I see a few of them are getting bolder again writing this drivel. Narcissistic pricks.

Offline Zola1956

Fools they all are. Getting attached to a WG. You just go there to fuck. I have always believed it should not become a regular habit. Its best to do it once or twice a year or you will become lazy.

Fools they all are. Getting attached to a WG. You just go there to fuck. I have always believed it should not become a regular habit. Its best to do it once or twice a year or you will become lazy.

Best to rotate and not become fixated on any one in particular IMHO, some people fixate all their action on one victim that's when it generally becomes a problem.  These people forget that many others are just as good as their fixation and have forgot.

Only punting twice per year means the poor deluded fucker is focussing all on that one girl for 6 months or more, no wonder they sometimes appear to lose the plot.

Offline Clarkson

Unfortunately true. The first words of the alcoholic intending to give up, is "I'm an alcoholic." Only a small percentage of fluffies seem even to get that far. Those one or two that do are 'career fluffies' and only slightly more bearable because they admit it openly.

There's two aspects. Firstly UKP is indeed here to help punters: and part of being hard on fluffies is for their own sake to get them to wake up. Punting is more enjoyable as well as a lot safer (physically, emotionally, financially) if you can be realistic about it. If you can't, you might wake up one day from a happy litle stupor and wonder where your life went.

The other aspect is when we see dozens of fluffie reviews (and fluffies do indeed like to review, often at great length in technicolour - I guess it is reassuring for their egos and penises). Fluffie reviews are misleading. Not only in their words: but a casual reader will glance through reviews quite quickly and assume that Fanny x is better than Fanny y as Fanny x has ten good reviews and Fany y only has one. They don't stop to read the laborious paragraphs of shit about how "the lady opened the door" or the Disneyworld experience of several different positions. The may even miss the small print, on the rare occasions it's included, about how a size 6 girl "had a couple of extra pounds" or the sparkly 19yr old was "possibly in her thirties": they just see the word "Positive" put there largely "in fairness to the lady" who probably "did her best" (even though she was shite). Reviews like that are taking the piss IMO, taking the piss out of a unique forum with a strong punter-orientated ethos.

Spot on white night fluffies are the bane of this hobby and can ruin a good WG there are girls I won't see because fluffies have become regulars and like to buy them stuff and talk talk talk but about what?  :thumbsdown:

It's simple enough find girl, arrange deal and time, turn up, pay, fuck girl, clean up and leave. :hi:   


Banning reason: Previously banned (marty) + Sending admin daft paranoid PMs demanding his warnings be deleted so other punters are put at risk

Offline azrael


It's simple enough find girl, arrange deal and time, turn up, pay, fuck girl, clean up and leave. :hi:

Spot on, if you follow these rules you cant go wrong. The moment you deviate from this game plan then your up shit creak leave yourself open to the dreaded eas, plus the wg then starts to talk shit that winds your minutes down  leaving less time to have a second/third pop


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