Wallet and Phone

[Midlane]

The standard advice for an incall is to go with as little as possible, only cash etc and leave everything that isn't essential for the pint behind.

But what do you do if there isn't anywhere to leave civvie phone, credit cards, watch, coffee loyalty cards etc and all the crap in the wallet? For example if the punt is between point A and point B, or you're out for the day, including the punt and various civvie activities, and need all that crap?

What then - risk taking it all in / don't punt?

[mh]

Yes, difficult. I typically go in with just car key and cash, leaving other stuff well hidden in the car as long as it is parked in a safe location.

When in London, travelling there by train, I have to take my stuff in with me of course, but I'd not leave my wallet in my trouser pocket, for example, where it may for out or is easily removable. I'd put it in a zipped pocket of my coat or jacket and would fold that so that the pocket was hidden. I'd not leave my coat unattended. I think any WG thinking of taking something would be looking for an easy snatch or an opportune pilfering, not a rummage!

[Trenlover]

could be an interesting social experiment , when at punt have a huge wade of cash bulging from your wallat and leave your valuables/wallat in plain view on the table when popping to the bathroom.

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interesting video by darren brown showing that people are less likely to steal when they know other parties know and are possibly watching.

telling the WG directly to her face "im going to leave all my valuables on your table here,  will that be ok?"   creates the proper atmosphere of " i know that you know and you know that I know, so if anything goes missing I know who to blame"

[GreyDave]

  I have been mugged on stairs of walk ups long ago and only punt with the most basic stuff ..phone one CC which now can be used as Oyster stand in and keys these I wrap in a handky and either zip in pocket of coat or stuff in pocket before entry to palour I then always put my undies in pocket and roll em alltogether I ve seen others at parties doig the same trick..then its easy to see if youve been tapped plus when they see this ritual they know you are on the ball will pilfering Ca keys have always been my big worries as some days I use company van and even my bosses Jag (fucking rare :yahoo:only if he wants us to pick up someone or drop of a client )  Phone is cheapest I can get and have changed it several times after getting sales calls from girls when things have been quite for them  when I ask for a discount the phone seems to go dead
always have a bit of aftershave in car to freshen up after or fill up at a petrol st and clean hands badly with that shitty soap they all have whoops Mums nets reading

[Midlane]

It's not the cash that worries me - I'd only take enough for the punt and hand it over. It's mainly the cards - yes they can be cancelled etc, and obviously I'd re-check before leaving. But they've got real names and so on, and you just never know what cleverly malicious people can do with computers these days.

In more naive days, I even had my passport with me once. Don't ask. Turned out fine, but certainly wouldn't do that again.

[Midlane]

And obviously the civvie phone. These things have EVERYTHING these days. That's needed before and after so can't be left anywhere.

Anyone got clever suggestions for that?

[cockneybstrd]

And obviously the civvie phone. These things have EVERYTHING these days. That's needed before and after so can't be left anywhere.

Anyone got clever suggestions for that?

contact a friendly ukpunting member and ask them to look after your stuff for the duration of the punt.

[lostandfound]

And obviously the civvie phone. These things have EVERYTHING these days. That's needed before and after so can't be left anywhere.

Anyone got clever suggestions for that?

The answer to that seems obvious - so I must be missing something? ie use a civvie smartphone with some access control and turn it off.

[Corus Boy]

When I'm on new and Unknown territory I carry everything in a man bag with a zipper. Makes it easy to pick up and take to the shower room or pop.

Punt money and a few £10's for any extras in my trouser pockets.

[newforthisyear]

zipped up in coat pockets. Got to the room before taking coat off, looked for somewhere to hang the coat up

[SamLP]

Yes, difficult. I typically go in with just car key and cash, leaving other stuff well hidden in the car as long as it is parked in a safe location.

I practically do the same as I nearly always drive everywhere. I used to put my car key in my socks which is stuffed in my shoe but a couple of times the WG I had just seen was standing there talking and there was no discrete way of taking the key out without her clocking on that I had hidden it there. If I do need to bring my wallet and civvy phone in with me, I'm not too shy to take my clothes with me to the toilet. Afterall how many WG's leave their money in the room with you while they nip out for 5 minutes.

It's not the fear of having money stolen, rather it's your identity and other private info being found.

[Marmalade]

I'm not sure i follow some of this. Do you actually plan a punt or do you suddenly think, inbetween shopping for a new iPad Pro and a night at Covent Garden opera, as you drain the last of a Starbucks coffee, "I think I bet that dodgy looking honky down Brixton way is free, I think I'll go for a shag."

My point is that we plan our day for the anticipated activities. Most people in this fine country however walk around with more cash and credit cards than they need "just in case" or simply being too lazy to empty their pockets. You're paying £100+ for a shag but still feel you have to take your Starbucks loyalty card in case you have spend a couple of quid on a latté?  No you don't.

Take the cash you need for the punt and (if you're not driving) any sizeable amount that you really need beyond that hidden in an inside pocket, thr back of a phone case or the insoles of your boots.
 

[SamLP]

And obviously the civvie phone. These things have EVERYTHING these days. That's needed before and after so can't be left anywhere.

Anyone got clever suggestions for that?

Set up a passcode for the phone. If your missus gets suspicious, just say you have a few mischievous colleagues at work. If you can get away with it, put it on flight mode first.

[Marmalade]

Flight mode won't necessarily stop notifications. I like to make a big deal of switching my phone off sometimes then look at her and make it clear I expect her to do the same.

[Midlane]

I'm not sure i follow some of this. Do you actually plan a punt or do you suddenly think, inbetween shopping for a new iPad Pro and a night at Covent Garden opera, as you drain the last of a Starbucks coffee, "I think I bet that dodgy looking honky down Brixton way is free, I think I'll go for a shag."

My point is that we plan our day for the anticipated activities. Most people in this fine country however walk around with more cash and credit cards than they need "just in case" or simply being too lazy to empty their pockets. You're paying £100+ for a shag but still feel you have to take your Starbucks loyalty card in case you have spend a couple of quid on a latté?  No you don't.

Take the cash you need for the punt and (if you're not driving) any sizeable amount that you really need beyond that hidden in an inside pocket, thr back of a phone case or the insoles of your boots.
 

Well it is an actual situation with a punt in the middle of a day when not at home. And no car to leave things in either. Nor is there a hotel room, because it's the morning of arrival. And after the punt I'll need my own phone, my own credit cards. Yes, I could probably leave the Starbucks card at home.

No, there's no missus, but my own phone has my banking, my contacts, my personal details all over the place, and I'm certainly not so naive to think that a passcode is entirely secure.

But it's also general and hypothetical because I'm surely not the only person ever to have been in this situation. In the old days, there was no such thing as a smart phone, or a mobile phone for that matter, so it was considerably less of an issue.

[LL]

I'm not sure i follow some of this. Do you actually plan a punt or do you suddenly think, inbetween shopping for a new iPad Pro and a night at Covent Garden opera, as you drain the last of a Starbucks coffee, "I think I bet that dodgy looking honky down Brixton way is free, I think I'll go for a shag."

Some punters are commuters. In London many commute by rail. I don't live in London but just work there. I also choose to punt there. This means I generally punt straight from work. I'll have my normal phone with me as well as my punting phone. I'll have cash, my season ticket, ID needed for work, etc. I take everything along to my punts. It never leaves my trouser pockets though. And I never leave the room without my trousers. Yes that includes going for a shower, still with my trousers on. Of course removing them before I hop in, but again they stay close by. Maybe the girl thinks that odd. I don't give a shit.

As for spontaneity - I'm guilty of that too. Some of my best punts have been totally unplanned. The idea comes to me whilst at work. In big cities this is possible. The reason I keep so many hot lists. Ready for the time I fancy a punt with 30 minutes' notice. Just call a load of different girls and ask who is free - right away. If I don't find anyone there are always other options. I.e parlours or even walkups in London if I get really desperate.

[lostandfound]

No, there's no missus, but my own phone has my banking, my contacts, my personal details all over the place, and I'm certainly not so naive to think that a passcode is entirely secure.

Is a hooker or her pimp going to hack your phone's passcode during a punt? Seems unlikely to me personally.

[jcdmj12]

And obviously the civvie phone. These things have EVERYTHING these days. That's needed before and after so can't be left anywhere.

Anyone got clever suggestions for that?

Both Android and iPhone have filesystem encryption. Enable that, and without your password it's just an expensive paperweight.  Turn it off before the punt, so you'll need the pw to decrypt it again.  Combined with remote wipe you're pretty safe.

Only thing to be aware if is if you have android device with a SD card - often those aren't encrypted unless you specifically select them to be.

[Sailormack]

FFS what is wrong with you people.

This is what you need...

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Don't worry if the prossie thinks you're a tranny, all in a day's work for them 

[tazz]

Never had any issues with my valuables, think very few prossies would steal as their names would be blacklisted on here preety quickly which would ruin their business. Then again heard one guy was robbed of £300 by a Romanian while he had a shower.

[ash19]

I only use public transport for punts so have to take everything with me. I have a strategy of putting the contents of my wallet bah the punting funds into my zipped pockets, then leaving my then empty wallet in plain sight. Probably overly paranoid since I tend to only visit the one place but since the girls swap weekly you can't be too careful I suppose. 

[webpunter]

If i know i'm going to be in a situation where i'm on foot for the day & taking trains etc, then i take a different wallet.  One CC, mobile, punting mobile & of course cash.  This is only on 1st visit where limited / no feedback on AW & more importantly here the same .  If Ok & a 2nd visit then i just take my usual wallet - having sussed things out on 1st visit.  And if any perceived security issues i don't revisit.  Had a 2015 punt with a veteran AW hooker / well reviewed here.  Had checked out of a hotel same day - so rocked up with the whole lot incl. tablet.  Safe as houses.  Left clothes in a pile felt so relaxed

[Marmalade]

Punting in the metropolis       I feel your pain      .

I have that situation sometimes in Europe. I've a wide selection of clothes (including a suit for times I need it) with zip pockets and inside pockets. I'm into this sort of stuff so if anybody wants more details and ideas they can pm me as I don't intend to put too much info on the open forum or to newbies with no reviews.

If you don't have clothes with zipped/concealed pockets, and don't want to buy them, you can get sew-on inside pockets. When you take your kegs off, roll trousers up, belt first so stuff doesn't fall out of pockets, place on top of shoes where you can see them from the top of the bed. Put shirt and socks on top neatly. If you plan to have a shower, get undressed in the bathroom and bring the rolled up trousers back with you. That way it's more natural. I never carry a wallet for such situations unless it's essential for something else. Folded money and cards can be concealed: a wallet less easily. For smaller amounts or credit cards, there's small armbands used by joggers that have a concealed zip.

For an overnighter, put your trousers, with valuables, under the mattress "to press them" or preferably when she's in the shower and lock your rucksack to a pipe or the bedstead with a small steel locking cable. Some people trust hotel safes. If you have lots of stuff, don't put all your cash and cards in the same pocket. If you have a laptop make sure your laptop bag or rucksack has a combination lock. Make sure your phone is switched completely off so it can't ring (easy to lose things if you suddenly jump up to get phone from pocket).  Androids are less homogenous but modern iPads and iPhones are fairly bullet-proof as long as no-one can guess your password.

The thing is, get all your security routine solid and then it's easy to relax. Example, was shagging a hottie in a tiny dimly-lit developing country backstreet room. We're humping away and I notice her hand is trying to check the pockets of my trousers. I didn't freak as I was enjoying the fucking. Just laughed and tapped her arm and told there was nothing there (it was in my boots). Most of this is far more security than most people will need but just ease it to your comfort zone. If you do get robbed, try not to let it spoil your day, think of it as 'punting tax' or something and hopefully it wasn't for much. Get straight back in the saddle or it'll make you paranoid.

At the risk of sounding OTT to many, hope this helps anyone that might need it!

[nike]

Yes, difficult. I typically go in with just car key and cash, leaving other stuff well hidden in the car as long as it is parked in a safe location.

When in London, travelling there by train, I have to take my stuff in with me of course, but I'd not leave my wallet in my trouser pocket, for example, where it may for out or is easily removable. I'd put it in a zipped pocket of my coat or jacket and would fold that so that the pocket was hidden. I'd not leave my coat unattended. I think any WG thinking of taking something would be looking for an easy snatch or an opportune pilfering, not a rummage!

+1
Leave everything in car, it;s the safest bet,

[claretandblue]

I've punted in most parts of London over the past three years and have often taken my wallet and normal phone along and have had no problems,
 I generally punt during the day and with girls with some sort of track record on here which obviously helps, but cant help thinking people are over doing the paranoia regarding being mugged or attacked

[LL]

cant help thinking people are over doing the paranoia regarding being mugged or attacked

I agree. I'm never complacent on a punt and I take care of my belongings and watch my back on the way there. That means no headphones on show, don't talk to anyone who approaches me in the street. However the vast majority of street robberies in London happen in the West End, where I personally can't afford to punt (notwithstanding walk ups). In general you're far more likely to lose your wallet to a light-fingered Romanian pick-pocket in Leicester Square than get mugged on a punt. 

[Marmalade]

I agree. I'm never complacent on a punt and I take care of my belongings and watch my back on the way there. That means no headphones on show, don't talk to anyone who approaches me in the street. However the vast majority of street robberies in London happen in the West End, where I personally can't afford to punt (notwithstanding walk ups). In general you're far more likely to lose your wallet to a light-fingered Romanian pick-pocket in Leicester Square than get mugged on a punt.

Statistically, punting in the UK has never seemed high risk to me. Yet look at the UKP blacklist. If one of the thieving kind do get any of your stuff then statistics are cold comfort. Newcomers to punting may be more liable to let their guard down. People who know me sometimes think I am carefree in what to them looks a threatening situation. The truth is that if you take appropriate security measures you are not paranoid. You've worked out how you might get robbed and have prevented it. For an unfamiliar situation, whether abroad or someone just starting punting, it's better to be more cautious than you need to be until you yourself have had the chance to become familiar with the scenarios; then scale it back to what you judge to be realistic. 

[webpunter]

Some people trust hotel safes

Some good intel for the budding international man of hookering.  Don't want to go off topic here - just add to M's comments
Assuming your forget your safe combination then a call to reception / visit from staff gets this unlocked fairly sharpish.  So not hard to figure that this can be accessed.  But stay in a decent hotel if poss and this minimizes problems
Have done a few european outcalls & picking the right WG is the best start point.  You never know who they are but trust your instincts.  Whilst there are risks i'm sure that some guys get something stolen coz they've fucked off the WG in some way.  Argued about service / price / time etc.  I've gone with the flow, have been nice & relaxed & no problems.  Let them have whatever drinks they want - within reason - mini bar or room service.  Have had a 3 hour turn into a 6 hour session.  No extra charges - just room service meal / wine & a trip to the hotel bar & casino.  Didn't get ripped off.  Allowed recovery time in between & good fun.  With a pukka hotel room [big bath & robes etc] some of the girls will just like spending time there - if they're that way inclined.  And they like you [even if only relative to other punters].  And its not just a 30 min booking.  More likely later on in the evening when they are less likely to get another punter
In the big flashier hotels with large bar areas then if any good hookers there then i've opted for these.  Working on the basis that the hotel will probably know them & will be getting a back-hander.  They are much less likely to try & take something or rip you off as this could get back to the hotel & then they're fucked when it comes to them returning.  Casinos are particularly good areas & the WGs can size up which blokes have money & are most likely single / interested.  Easy to spot the WG's a mile off & the environment is conducive to some chit chat & drinks.  The WGs who operate there tend to be better looking, dress well & have good lingo skills.  It can feel like you're chatting them up a bit - albeit with the odds stacked in your favour [unlike on the tables].  They won't want 30 min bookings as they won't want to be seen in & out with loads of blokes & the same goes for not heading upstairs too quick after the initial convo.  They will want to assess the punter too.  Its like a weeks worth of dating compressed into 15 mins - with £ influencing the outcome.  I have seen blokes get the brush off in no uncertain terms
This saves the hassle of going out to hunt one down.  Which in itself can be fun - especially if there with your punting mate.  Just depends what mood you're in.  Lazy & on the premises or off out on an adventure
Back to the hotel safe.  Highly unlikely that the WG will be a safe cracker so put everything of any value in there.  Best to stash some cash elsewhere - several places.  So if you decide to have a time extension no need to go into the safe to get extra cash etc.  I have 50 here / 80 there / 100 elsewhere etc, so i can pick & choose which i access.  Also applies to if you fall asleep.  And they then depart.  I've woken up in the morning - thinking shit.  Quick visual room check.  Everything still there.  Safe still locked.  Relax

[jimmytick]

Wear a decent jacket and carry a briefcase, coded locks 

[Sonny Crockett]

As I travelled to different cities by train for my punts, it was more risky for me to enter a girls place as I carried with me my wallet, debit card, train tickets, phone, house keys, work pass and bag. Lose one or more of those, then I'd have been fucked.

Thank God this never happened to me!!!

[Marmalade]

Silly as it sounds, there's two sides to security. The first is security from girls or pimps but the second is security against forgetting or dropping things, especially if there is any post-fuck glow. I've left something at a sauna once (returned and picked it up, to their credit) but you might be less lucky with Miss random EE flatshare hooker, especially if it's an entry phone. For those who also punt abroad, maybe something to watch out for if jetlagged as well. And to say it again, not to make anyone paranoid, chances are it will never happen: but the one time in 500 that it nearly did you'll be pleased you had developed a security consciousness.

[Nagilum]

I take my wallet, keys and phone.  But I make sure I leave with them too.

Wallet - never has any cash except the right amount.  If I am not sure about the girl and she is not well reviewed or known I go in with less.

[nike]

Wear a decent jacket and carry a briefcase, coded locks 

Doesn't help if they walk out with your briefcase.

[Marmalade]

Doesn't help if they walk out with your briefcase.

When I was doing outcalls abroad, apart from the things already mentioned, I'd lock the fucking door when she came in, then put the key in a vase or something.

[webpunter]

When I was doing outcalls abroad, apart from the things already mentioned, I'd lock the fucking door when she came in, then put the key in a vase or something.

And not leave the ground floor patio doors wide open 

[TheNewSeeker]

Simple rules are if you can leave it in a car do; only go in with cash, car keys and punting phone.

If you're on route on business and take personal stuff in, do not leave it unattended. My experience is that all girls 'get it' if you take your trousers or jacket containing personal gear with you to the shower. Don't be so bloody shy - worrying about causing offence is fluffiness.

If, particularly post punt, you want an honest reason, say to the girl, whilst collecting your clothes together to take to the bathroom, that you'll get dressed in there, to give her the space to straighten the room up and squirt some awful air freshener.

[Horizontal pleasures]

I mostly punt when out for the day on work. So I have a satchel with my laptop which is not insured if left in my car. It is a leather 'manbag/satchel'. (I back up into 2 different drives daily at home). That is apart from the wallet and cards and a dumb-phone. I have never ever had a problem with the bag, I am pleased to say. But I am always worried and when I go for a pee on arrival I take the satchel with me usually before paying which enables me to suss out the hygiene in the bathroom before I make the decision to stay.

Then my clothes usually cover the satchel.

The one time things went wrong recently of course was when I did things in the wrong order but I had my satchel with me.

[Marmalade]

Sounds a bit complicated. Reminds me of the Monty Python instruction about putting them on the 'lower peg'...... 

But the thing is, you've got a sensible routine, with failsafes, probably to the point where it is more or less automatic.