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Offline Lucy chambers

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I had a thought today, while reading a few threads. Many of you were punting while I was in nappies  :) and so will remember the days of newspaper advertising, cards, ambiguous advertising etc. Internet reports seem to be a large influencing factor, indeed some people I think don't see a lady without them.

So, how relevant are they? How often do you agree with them? How often do you strongly disagree?

I don't think the reports here are clear enough. I understand the good providers concept, but I think a separate section of the site with clear and coherent reports would be of more value to some users.
« Last Edit: November 06, 2010, 08:06:48 PM by Lucy chambers »

Offline Wayang

I had a thought today, while reading a few threads. Many of you were punting while I was in nappies  :) and so will remember the days of newspaper advertising, cards, ambiguous advertising etc. Internet reports seem to be a large influencing factor, indeed some people I think don't see a lady without them.

So, how relevant are they? How often do you agree with them? How often do you strongly disagree?

I once advocated FRs based along the lines of auto-censored.  But I have changed my mind as I realise that they have little value, bear no resemblance the truth, are often solicited by escorts, nay even written by escorts.  Good Uns/Bad Uns seems to satisfy the needs of this board as there is a fair chance that they are accurate.
Mostly punters have a fair idea from many sources of where they are heading when they go out  to punt and don't bother with FRs.
They are sometimes fun to read - but I doubt they are of much value to escorts either


Offline Lucy chambers

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But if and when you attract new members they will have no idea. Wouldnt it be better to rate both reveiwer and lady then?

Offline itsmekurt

I agree that FRs are now worthless. These days, I don't read them and I don't write them either.

Offline Jacob

I agree that FRs are now worthless. These days, I don't read them and I don't write them either.
I agree that FRs are now worthless. These days, I don't read them and I don't write them either.

Welcome to UKP 'itsmekurt', hope you find things useful. :)

Offline Jimmyredcab

I agree that FRs are now worthless. These days, I don't read them and I don't write them either.

Not sure they are totally worthless -------- however you must take into account that some guys would not write a negative report even if the girl stabbed him during the booking.  :rolleyes:

I rarely write FR's now because it is "illegal" to mention Adultwork -------- in my opinion Galahad needs to have a rethink on that policy.

Offline distressed

You need to use a healthy amount of sceptisism when reading most FR's and take into account the male ego  when reading of sexual gymnastics performed.

So why not have a FR system where fellow punters can vouch for each other... and a cumulative scoring system for a given girl so that wild positives don't disguise regular mediocrity?

AFoAF


Offline itsmekurt

The problem is that prozzies and pimps etc can set up a fake IDs on any site they like. So many FRs are way over the top and are a dead give-away, but all fakes can't be that stupid. There are also some so-called punters who write so many FRs that they must be amazing athletes as well as fucking filthey rich.

Offline Lady Poppy

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So why not have a FR system where fellow punters can vouch for each other... and a cumulative scoring system for a given girl so that wild positives don't disguise regular mediocrity?

AFoAF

It could never work, as only a handful of punters actually socialise with each other.  I think many men like to keep their hobby to themselves and don't want to know who else has seen their favourite girl.



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Some punters do seem to be overly protective of the ladies they visit and spew vitriol if anyone dares make a not glowing comment about their favourite squeeze.ELO anyone?

Offline itsmekurt

Some punters do seem to be overly protective of the ladies they visit and spew vitriol if anyone dares make a not glowing comment about their favourite squeeze.ELO anyone?

There you have it dis. Hard to think what can be done about it without a tight vetting process, and this would simple not work.

I think the pleasure I get out of punting has increased a lot since the invention of the internet.  sure, auto-censored may not be perfect and some reports can be over the top but I think if you check how many reports an author has done, whether they're all for the same establishment and whether they all say how great (or awful) the girl was in bed, you can usually find the ones that can inform your "buying" decision.

I have to say that I prefer more detail to less.  First, they're more fun to read and second, they're more help.  "We had agreat time but I won't tell you what we did because I'm a gent" is almost useless compared to at least some description of her response to various sexual activities.  The difference between "oral was great but the sex was mechanical" and "the oral was perfunctory but she screwed like a bunny rabbit" is quite important.

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Offline Strawberry

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It also works the other way too, most of my regular clients aren't interested in writing reports. They've found a lady they are happy with, and simply don't see a need to go trawling around the internet over it. It's only a tiny fraction of all 'punters' that use forums and reports anyway. I will say they have been useful regards attracting the sort of clients who are more suited to myself, and in a few cases guys have been reassured I am who I say I am, but no strings and minimal hassle is the whole idea.

Offline roadie

FR's will always be a touchy subject in my opinion. How good a punt turns out (or not) will always depend on whether the punter and the girl 'click' when they meet.
But as Jimmy rightly says some punters will still write a great FR even if the girl stabbed them during the punt  :rolleyes:

Then there's the other extreme; There is one FR writer on PN who punts a lot in my area (Russian sounding name but I won't name him here) and almost half of his reports are negative and quite damning of the girls. I've seen several of the girls he condemns as providing a crap service, and they were great.

I do agree that a FR section on here would be good and perhaps limit the writing of any reports to full members who have reached a minimum number of posts??
Maybe even limit the viewing of the reports to members only which would encourage the lurkers to join up.

Offline itsmekurt


How good a punt turns out (or not) will always depend on whether the punter and the girl 'click' when they meet.


Excellent point roadie. The 'click' factor has an amazing affect on how good a punt turns out. I can remember a few - far too few - when this has happened to me. To be absolutely honest, I was in no way going to share this with anybody else so no FRs. :-X

Offline Marmalade

The priority of this board, quite right IMO, is putting the punter first. It's not my job to out abusive punters, to advise women on safety, or to tell WGs how to handle difficult customers. Neither am I overly interested in Lucy's cocktails or LOTM's wondrous toilet seat.

But as I walked home from a punt with a particularly lovely and sensitive young creature the other night I wondered, do I really want to recommend her (in a field report) to every asshole under the sun? My hunch is that she won't be working that long and will be working a lot shorter time the minute she gets some a-hole being physically aggressive, trying to surprise her with a quick shifty up her back passage, calling her a slut for not accommodating him, and so on.

Of course, most punters are jolly decent chaps. But it's certainly not the case that all of them are. Some I would cross the street to avoid. A few pints into a social meet with a well-connected WG last night brought out the names of a couple of scumbags, who (I am fairly coinvincingly told) have behaved in manner akin to that described above to her close colleagues, and one of the aforesaid scumbags is unfortunately on this board (his name escapes me now due to the excellence of the local beer, but I do recall making a mental note that he is indeed on UKP).

I can't offhand think of a reliable system for sharing information with trusted gentlemen and avoiding passing on useful details to the lowlife of the planet. It could too easily be abused (and I have known cases where an unhappy prossie inflated a story that was then passed on with chinese whispers to the detriment of an upstanding punter). But I have little doubt about the integrity of the information on this occasion even if I feel it is inappropriate to act on it. But what to do?

In my own case, when I come across such gems as the delightful young lady of a few nights ago, I expect I will follow the example of one or two trusted colleagues. Where someone I have not met is visiting my area and asking for information, I cannot honestly say I trust him on the basis that he has filled in a UKP registration: but I usually manage to form a better idea over the phone. Of course, trust involves trust, and if such a one doesn't trust me enough to PM me his phone number he can take a walk or just use the publicly available stuff.

I'm quite open to other suggestions. But I see no benefit in ruining my own patch, for myself and other bona fide gentlemen, for the sake of the odd fuckwithead trawling the forums. Putting the punter first doesn't mean, in my books, bringing everything available down to the gutter level so it can be kicked and spat out. It means putting the punter first in the sense of the punter being a man rather than a lowlife. Is that reasonable? Thanks.

 

Offline Lucy chambers

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Interesting rant. I think you answered your own question of what to do- post a ambiguous post no doubt aimed at the punter you heard all the gossip about.

I think I kind of got the point though. It is interesting to see that the gossip that goes on behind the closed forums is now being quite freely passed around.

Offline Strawberry

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Lucy

Yes stuff does go on a lot behind the scenes on forums, which is fine as long as it's based upon fact. Unfortunately there will always be those with axes to grind and what you can't see, you can't change.

Offline NIK

The priority of this board, quite right IMO, is putting the punter first. It's not my job to out abusive punters, to advise women on safety, or to tell WGs how to handle difficult customers. Neither am I overly interested in Lucy's cocktails or LOTM's wondrous toilet seat.

But as I walked home from a punt with a particularly lovely and sensitive young creature the other night I wondered, do I really want to recommend her (in a field report) to every asshole under the sun? My hunch is that she won't be working that long and will be working a lot shorter time the minute she gets some a-hole being physically aggressive, trying to surprise her with a quick shifty up her back passage, calling her a slut for not accommodating him, and so on.

Of course, most punters are jolly decent chaps. But it's certainly not the case that all of them are. Some I would cross the street to avoid. A few pints into a social meet with a well-connected WG last night brought out the names of a couple of scumbags, who (I am fairly coinvincingly told) have behaved in manner akin to that described above to her close colleagues, and one of the aforesaid scumbags is unfortunately on this board (his name escapes me now due to the excellence of the local beer, but I do recall making a mental note that he is indeed on UKP).

I can't offhand think of a reliable system for sharing information with trusted gentlemen and avoiding passing on useful details to the lowlife of the planet. It could too easily be abused (and I have known cases where an unhappy prossie inflated a story that was then passed on with chinese whispers to the detriment of an upstanding punter). But I have little doubt about the integrity of the information on this occasion even if I feel it is inappropriate to act on it. But what to do?

In my own case, when I come across such gems as the delightful young lady of a few nights ago, I expect I will follow the example of one or two trusted colleagues. Where someone I have not met is visiting my area and asking for information, I cannot honestly say I trust him on the basis that he has filled in a UKP registration: but I usually manage to form a better idea over the phone. Of course, trust involves trust, and if such a one doesn't trust me enough to PM me his phone number he can take a walk or just use the publicly available stuff.

I'm quite open to other suggestions. But I see no benefit in ruining my own patch, for myself and other bona fide gentlemen, for the sake of the odd fuckwithead trawling the forums. Putting the punter first doesn't mean, in my books, bringing everything available down to the gutter level so it can be kicked and spat out. It means putting the punter first in the sense of the punter being a man rather than a lowlife. Is that reasonable? Thanks.

 

I agree with this.

When I was seeing the incomparable Carla of Sheffield I never mentioned her on any of the boards, as not only did I want to keep her to myself, but I didn't want her exposed to any twats.
When I finally mentioned how good she was, virtually after she had finished, I was accused by Satif, the chief arsehole of Sheffield Scene, of keeping the good information to myself, although she was far too young and attractive for him anyway.
I must admit I now feel this way to some extent about Nicoletta.

However I also now recognise that these ladies are working girls, prostitutes, whatever you want to call them and whether I recommend them or not they are going to see lots of other men, including unfortunately their fair share of wankers. And it is up to them how they deal with such people.
My recommending them or not isn't going to prevent them from having such encounters.

Offline Lucy chambers

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I agree with this.

However I also now recognise that these ladies are working girls, prostitutes, whatever you want to call them and whether I recommend them or not they are going to see lots of other men, including unfortunately their fair share of wankers. And it is up to them how they deal with such people.
My recommending them or not isn't going to prevent them from having such encounters.

Excellent point and well made. Unfortunately field reports are a part of our business- not giving them won't really help.

Offline Jimmyredcab

I agree with this.

When I was seeing the incomparable Carla of Sheffield I never mentioned her on any of the boards, as not only did I want to keep her to myself, but I didn't want her exposed to any twats.

I can understand why a punter would not want to "spread the word" about a gem that they have found, first of all she can become hard to book and secondly she may decide that her rates deserve to be increased.

I suppose I don't punt often enough for this to be a problem.  All I can say is that my ratio of successful punts has increased ramatically since the advent of field reports so to me they are an overall benefit so long as they are used sensibly i.e checking the other reports made, not relying on one rogue report, looking for patterns where there are enough reports.  With a GF, you have time to get to know her before fucking her - with a WG, you need to do your research in advance as time is money.

I never ever rely on site hosted reports and if they link to auto-censored ones, i always check to see if they've editted out the not so complimentary ones.

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Offline Marmalade

Some good points made - some of which I agree with. Regarding the WGs, the best way for me perhaps is to say not all WGs are on the same playing field.

I was trying to think of a comparison. If I generally want to recommend a restaurant or a sports centre, I might do a report in Trip Advisor. But there are other recommendations that only make any sort of sense if I keep them for friends. "If you go to x restaurant, take the head chef who's called Giovanni a bottle of good wine, and mention in passing that it's a special night as it's your parents anniversary (eg), he will go to the ends of the earth to make it memorable." "If you explain your love if dance to trainer Mike/Kate, this is something he/she specialises in and will relate your gym training programme to those factors."

I can best advise punters with similar tastes, manners, and ways of going about things to my own. But I can also give more generalised pointers of help to anyone I hope. For instance, my recent field report on India, which covers sone key issues missed in WSG/ISG. General views in establishments and established players in my own area. Things like that. Recommendations, especially for non-advertiser WGs but also a few others, are more appropriate if given out to people of like mindedness.

In terms of duty to punters, I owe (to an extent, as the debt is pretty well paid) ISG, as they've helped me with the same. My duty to UKP is more a wish and hope for the future - no-one else contributes on my area so it is just a goodwill example when I do FRs for places close to home.

Cheers.

Offline 6upxxx

I would take most of the comments about other punters with a pinch of salt. At one point auto-censored ganged up on one particular american chap, he was public enemy number one for all prossies, had been supposedly banging on a girls door at 10am in the morning etc etc. Well I like to make my own mind up about people and had previously met the guy. We had a beer and he gave his side of the story. Anyway a year or so later that same prossie is his best mate, he revamped her website and they are nearly a married couple. There are lots of lies told and once the girl thinks you are history and no more money is coming her way, you are fair game to be gossiped about. They will lie to the next guy in the room if they think it will bank them more money. Ok I wont tarnish them all with the same brush its unfair, but unfortunatley enough are like this to give the girls a bad name. This is  why writing a bad report, commenting on services being withdrawn etc etc is not for the fainthearted. Frankly most guys havent got the bollocks.
You see the girls or the parlours reputation is then at stake and they will throw lies and all kinds of shit in, in order to discredit bad publicity.


The priority of this board, quite right IMO, is putting the punter first. It's not my job to out abusive punters, to advise women on safety, or to tell WGs how to handle difficult customers. Neither am I overly interested in Lucy's cocktails or LOTM's wondrous toilet seat.

But as I walked home from a punt with a particularly lovely and sensitive young creature the other night I wondered, do I really want to recommend her (in a field report) to every asshole under the sun? My hunch is that she won't be working that long and will be working a lot shorter time the minute she gets some a-hole being physically aggressive, trying to surprise her with a quick shifty up her back passage, calling her a slut for not accommodating him, and so on.

Of course, most punters are jolly decent chaps. But it's certainly not the case that all of them are. Some I would cross the street to avoid. A few pints into a social meet with a well-connected WG last night brought out the names of a couple of scumbags, who (I am fairly coinvincingly told) have behaved in manner akin to that described above to her close colleagues, and one of the aforesaid scumbags is unfortunately on this board (his name escapes me now due to the excellence of the local beer, but I do recall making a mental note that he is indeed on UKP).

I can't offhand think of a reliable system for sharing information with trusted gentlemen and avoiding passing on useful details to the lowlife of the planet. It could too easily be abused (and I have known cases where an unhappy prossie inflated a story that was then passed on with chinese whispers to the detriment of an upstanding punter). But I have little doubt about the integrity of the information on this occasion even if I feel it is inappropriate to act on it. But what to do?

In my own case, when I come across such gems as the delightful young lady of a few nights ago, I expect I will follow the example of one or two trusted colleagues. Where someone I have not met is visiting my area and asking for information, I cannot honestly say I trust him on the basis that he has filled in a UKP registration: but I usually manage to form a better idea over the phone. Of course, trust involves trust, and if such a one doesn't trust me enough to PM me his phone number he can take a walk or just use the publicly available stuff.

I'm quite open to other suggestions. But I see no benefit in ruining my own patch, for myself and other bona fide gentlemen, for the sake of the odd fuckwithead trawling the forums. Putting the punter first doesn't mean, in my books, bringing everything available down to the gutter level so it can be kicked and spat out. It means putting the punter first in the sense of the punter being a man rather than a lowlife. Is that reasonable? Thanks.

 


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