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Offline Daffodil

It isn't just intelligence that influences your career and earning potential. The hairdresser you mention probably has professionalism, organisational skills and drive...attributes that most pro$$ies lack.

Also, please note the use of my term 'most'. It is rare here for posters to use the terms 'all pro$$ies' when referring to their practices. It is usually 'most pro$$ies do this' or 'the majority of pro$$ies do that'. These terms leave room for the few who do otherwise. We often get accused of tarring all prostitutes with the same brush but that is often not the case.

Whilst I accept that most people will earn as much as they can I do not believe anybody can claim that pro$$ies deserve to earn what they do.

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Whilst I accept that most people will earn as much as they can I do not believe anybody can claim that pro$$ies deserve to earn what they do.

That could also be said about the Bankers ----- however I agree that pro$$ies do earn ridiculous amounts of money when you consider they have zero qualifications, most would not last 5 minutes running a real business.

Offline k

Women who are intelligent, have degrees, have careers, have other opportunities in life, do not become prostitutes.

I have met more than one woman who has had a taste for this by being informally solicited in a work or social situation and thought "why not?"  Then, having enjoyed that experience, simply continued on that path, whilst continuing to pursue their main career path.  The skill is partitioning your life in such a way that the two remain separate.

Offline andrei

am i the only one who noticed that dreamgirl kept going on about how if she could prove what she was doing/who she was she would do so in a heartbeat - but weirdly refused to post her aw profile on here which would vindicate her
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Offline Daffodil

That could also be said about the Bankers ----- however I agree that pro$$ies do earn ridiculous amounts of money when you consider they have zero qualifications, most would not last 5 minutes running a real business.

And bankers also get criticised for how much they earn.

Offline AnthG

Social Care is an expanding sector, due to an aging population. It requires a lot of skills to do the job properly and although the wages are initially low there is good opportunity for progression. Many Social Care staff take on roles traditionally assigned to nurses (which for some reason seem to be immune to the slagging on here  :D), go on to manager roles or their employer funds them through nursing training (not so stupid after all, considering they can still earn at the same time as study).

It's tedious the constant inference that prostitutes must be inherently stupid or unable to do anything else.
When I see comments about Escorts who have done courses and degree's in worthless things. I do not immediately then take that as a suggestion that the girl is stupid. I take it that she has picked the wrong course and slogged her backside off and came out with the qualification and found its worthless.

Most degree's are a waste of time unless they lead you to a job at the end. So a degree in Nursing is good. But like me a degree in Chemistry, has been a total waste of time. It annoys me the amount of effort and debt I am in due to it.

When I see escorts have done a degree in social care it angers me immensely (I remember I even started a topic on it once here) as the girl will have worked hard to get this in the belief she will work in it. Only to find on completion there are no jobs in it.

There is nothing wrong with shelf stacking, I know people with degrees (even a few with multiple degrees) who still work in Asda etc because they prefer not to work in a high stress job.
I think in this instance it is just a case of this is what they are saying to you.

Offline James999


It's tedious the constant inference that prostitutes must be inherently stupid or unable to do anything else.

 

The reason you call it tedious is you know it to be true and it is something you would rather others didn't realise.  :hi:

Offline GlasgowGirl

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It wasn't about your specific posts, it was regarding the many posts where, as soon as it is suggested a prostitute may be studying, posts pop up inferring that it must be a worthless or stupid area of study. It doesn't have to be said outright, the inferences and eye-rolling are all there. If someone has a passion for hairdressing or hair and beauty, and want to study it so what?


Offline AnthG

If someone has a passion for hairdressing or hair and beauty, and want to study it so what?

I see nothing wrong with doing a hair and beauty course. Actually I think its a good thing to do.

I think a good thing Saafe should include, and I am being serious if people think this is a bad idea, is some success stories and guide advice of how they moved into these actual professions. So escorts who do these degrees/courses like Social Care etc and then start to lose their way can get advice and actually progress in these qualifications they achieve.

I know there is possibly advice elsewhere on the internet about how to progress after these course but it can be hard to find.

If an escort actually does a hair and beauty course. The amount of money they make I bet they could even afford to start up their own shop. So why not have a success story of an escort that did just that. Or someone who can offer advice on how to follow their foot steps.

Offline GlasgowGirl

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It isn't just intelligence that influences your career and earning potential. The hairdresser you mention probably has professionalism, organisational skills and drive...attributes that most pro$$ies lack.

Professionalism and organisational skills can be learned quite easily. Drive will depend on what the individual person feels is important in life, what motivates them. Someone who is truly passionate or interested in their work will strive to do it well regardless of money. As will those who are sufficiently motivated by a goal, material possessions, life plans etc. Someone I know in my job just gave up his weekends in the pub and social life to work weekends (he already works 9-5 Monday to Friday) in a lower paid job than his main job just so he save up for a holiday of a lifetime in Las Vegas where his mates are all going. There's his motivation (well at least for the next 6 months or so!).   

As for not using the word "all" - everyone knows it's just a cover for your asses  :D  ;) I thought on here people were supposed to have a 'no-holds barred' attitude to what they really think about prossies?  :sarcastic:

Offline Daffodil

It wasn't about your specific posts, it was regarding the many posts where, as soon as it is suggested a prostitute may be studying, posts pop up inferring that it must be a worthless or stupid area of study. It doesn't have to be said outright, the inferences and eye-rolling are all there. If someone has a passion for hairdressing or hair and beauty, and want to study it so what?

I think it's true that most pro$$ies do what they do because they don't have the education/intelligence/drive/whatever to earn what they do elsewhere. There are not many doctors/lawyers/bankers who also prostitute.

When compared to chemistry, physics, medicine etc, hairdressing or hair and beauty do not come close. The former require a demonstrated level of intelligence. Anybody can sit NVQs and so they are not as worthwhile. That's not to say that a good living can't be made from them if you have other attributes, that pro$$ies often lack. Just as a doctor will not prostitute, neither will a high-earning hairdresser.


Offline James999


 Someone I know in my job just gave up his weekends in the pub and social life to work weekends (he already works 9-5 Monday to Friday) in a lower paid job than his main job just so he save up for a holiday of a lifetime in Las Vegas

He obviously has not set his goals in life very high if a trip to Vegas is his goal, the reality is a trip there is likely to cost a few hundred £ and of course some win at the tables and get the trip for nothing.  :hi:

Offline pabulum

Interesting reading, in parts. I have just done a very rough survey of people with whom I've had paid-for sex over the last 10 years. The prices have varied from £80 to £150 an hour, but there's no apparent correlation between price and 'other interests'. Somewhere around 40% of my encounters have been with graduates (including some with doctorates) or those holding down a wide variety of other jobs whilst sex-working. Another 10% have been doing OU or other qualifications. Probably only 30% I know to have been reliant on full-time sex-work earnings. The only 'rule' seems to me that there isn't a rule.




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If an escort actually does a hair and beauty course. The amount of money they make I bet they could even afford to start up their own shop. So why not have a success story of an escort that did just that. Or someone who can offer advice on how to follow their foot steps.

There is an African WG who lived in one of the high rise immigration flats in Glasgow who did just that. She did outcalls and agency work for a couple of years in about 2004, set up a small skanky-looking shop in a bad area quite quickly, but now has a chain of amazing looking hair and beauty shops in very central locations.

I do agree to an extent that many WG's are so busy defending their work against social stigmas and proclaiming about how they are not victims etc (true, but still) that they sometimes can forget that it is certainly not a job for everyone or suited to everyone who enters it and some good help and focus to those who want to transition into other employment or training would be welcomed.

I have a degree which is not worth the paper it is written on, so I do understand where you are coming from when you say that Anth. but I did enjoy the student-y lifestyle for a couple of years I guess! My current job has nothing to do with the degree, I got into it through doing voluntary unpaid work in the sector (whilst doing sex work or else I wouldn't have been able to afford to work unpaid, see, it does have it's uses  :P) and through a lot of persistence! 

Offline Daffodil

He obviously has not set his goals in life very high if a trip to Vegas is his goal, the reality is a trip there is likely to cost a few hundred £ and of course some win at the tables and get the trip for nothing.  :hi:

I was thinking the same thing although I've just returned from Atlantic city and may need to take up a weekend job to pay off my losses....   :cry:

Offline AnthG

Somewhere around 40% of my encounters have been with graduates (including some with doctorates) or those holding down a wide variety of other jobs whilst sex-working.

40% is high. How did you find these girls? And how old where they?

I ask how old. As around 80% of female and clearly past it posters on another forum all have degrees and quit jobs paying £20 plus per hour to work at this. Only problem is. I do not believe them. And feel its clearly said as an attempt at an advertising ploy on their behalf.

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There are not many doctors/lawyers/bankers who also prostitute.

I went to school with a girl who became a stripper / "sugar baby" about 18 (photos of her on yachts with much older men etc) and who is now a Lawyer in the US. However her mother was an immigrant prostitute and I think the mother was very serious about the girl studying (she used to be on "curfew" etc at 18/19!) so she wouldn't follow in her footsteps.

I'd say that the studying and sheer amount of HOURS someone studying medicine, law etc (especially medicine!) would prohibit many from having any other job taking up their time, so that may be the reason there.

Offline Daffodil

I went to school with a girl who became a stripper / "sugar baby" about 18 (photos of her on yachts with much older men etc) and who is now a Lawyer in the US. However her mother was an immigrant prostitute and I think the mother was very serious about the girl studying (she used to be on "curfew" etc at 18/19!) so she wouldn't follow in her footsteps.

I'd say that the studying and sheer amount of HOURS someone studying medicine, law etc (especially medicine!) would prohibit many from having any other job taking up their time, so that may be the reason there.

No, the reason is they earn more than enough from their profession as to not need to prostitute.

Offline pabulum

Anth:  The ages crossed the whole spectrum from my personal starting point of mid/late 20s upwards to the 40s. I've found most through sites like PZ, PN, PL, and some from AW. I don't use parlours, and don't look for anything less than an hour, which will have skewed the figures.

Offline AnthG

I got into it through doing voluntary unpaid work in the sector (whilst doing sex work or else I wouldn't have been able to afford to work unpaid, see, it does have it's uses  :P) and through a lot of persistence!
I know you have previously said you don't want to reveal even generally what you do for a living. But could I ask how long (round abouts) you worked as a volunteer in the sector you are in before someone took you as experienced enough in it to get into it as paid work. As that is a good success story on your behalf. Not just for escorts put for everyone in general.

To clarify I am seriously asking and seriously curious as the written form sometimes does not show sincerity or sarcasm well.

Offline James999

You do seem to "Know" a lot of people who have made it through ptostitution, unless of course you are making them up  :D

I went to school with a girl who became a stripper / "sugar baby" about 18 (photos of her on yachts with much older men etc) and who is now a Lawyer in the US. However her mother was an immigrant prostitute and I think the mother was very serious about the girl studying (she used to be on "curfew" etc at 18/19!) so she wouldn't follow in her footsteps.

There is an African WG who lived in one of the high rise immigration flats in Glasgow who did just that. She did outcalls and agency work for a couple of years in about 2004, set up a small skanky-looking shop in a bad area quite quickly, but now has a chain of amazing looking hair and beauty shops in very central locations.

Offline AnthG

You do seem to "Know" a lot of people who have made it through ptostitution, unless of course you are making them up  :D

GG frequents all the forums. So this would explain it. I for one am pleased she does.

I would love to pay 80p/h with girls who provide a good service. Probably the best VFM i've got has been at 110 p/h. In London, i can't afford to risk these 0 feedback profiles, if i'm missing a gem then it's my loss. Perhaps Dreamgirl was a young stunner, i guess i'll never find out. Keep with the plan. If you fail to plan, you plan to fail.

Offline GlasgowGirl

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You do seem to "Know" a lot of people who have made it through ptostitution, unless of course you are making them up  :D

Didn't you go to school with people? Know people through work? Have acquaintances?  :rolleyes:

I know some who have done well, yes. But many who have not, for whatever reason (those are the stories you would love though, cause it fits in with the crap you spout :D). People have opportunities at any stage of life though, and people can change and grow.

Offline James999

Didn't you go to school with people? Know people through work? Have acquaintances?  :rolleyes:

Yep, and some of them make up crap stories as well  :hi:


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