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Author Topic: Escort admits (sort of) on AdultWork she has HIV  (Read 7068 times)

Offline CatBBW

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Don't turn the question on its head. Would you suck or fuck a punter who has fucked her?

Protected suck - possibly. Protected fuck - perhaps not. I haven't thought deeply enough about this scenario, to be honest. When and if this comes about, I will consider the options. I lean towards *no* though, and her honesty gives me that option.

Would I fuck a known barebacker punter or punter who fucked a well-known barebacker WG? Nope. That's more risky as the viral load for early HIV infections means that you can be more likely to pass it on during the incubation/early infection period before the virus shows in tests. I would be more inclined to see a guy who had seen Busty Elle than one who had seen *famous barebacker*.
« Last Edit: December 02, 2015, 11:42:28 PM by CatBBW »

Offline JV547845

Get it right: "the Court of Appeal held that a person was reckless if, knowing that they were HIV-positive, he or she transmitted HIV to a person who had not been told of the infection"

The male partners of HIV positive people don't all suddenly become celibate, some just become super careful.


Offline Golovkin

Perhaps she should work as an escort for people who are already infected with HIV then there is no risk of her passing it on what if the condom splits? I suppose she has been honest but a lot of people don't actually read the profiles before they book.

Perhaps she should work as an escort for people who are already infected with HIV then there is no risk of her passing it on what if the condom splits? I suppose she has been honest but a lot of people don't actually read the profiles before they book.
I imagine she will mention it on booking to check !


Offline Ben4454

This is why you never fuck punters without a condom.
Banning reason: Ignored admin warning after temporary banning and signed up to malicious troll anti-UKP site

This is why you never fuck punters without a condom.
??? You fuck punters ?

"Buyers Beware"?
More like "Read the fine print, or you'll contract HIV"!

If she wanted to be clear about it, she should change her name to "Hi I Have HIV".
Her profile should start with, "Have you or your family or ever wanted to contract HIV?"

With all due respect, she seriously needs to find a regular partner, and get a job in a non-sex related industry.

Offline chief-93

she spoke about her viral load

confirmation of her HIV positive status

Offline mattylondon

"Buyers Beware"?
More like "Read the fine print, or you'll contract HIV"!

If she wanted to be clear about it, she should change her name to "Hi I Have HIV".
Her profile should start with, "Have you or your family or ever wanted to contract HIV?"

With all due respect, she seriously needs to find a regular partner, and get a job in a non-sex related industry.
I can find nothing to commend about what this woman has said or her in general.

She has tried to be 'clever' and typically for your average prossie, deceptive. She has alluded to HIV, without actually stating it openly. Anybody can work out that she's HIV positive.

She hasn't done that, in my opinion because she knows very well that nobody will book her.

She has said the bare minimum. She knows very well that if she hadn't alluded to this and on the off chance (and with her taking meds it is a reduced chance admittedly), a punter was to contract HIV off her, she would be in a whole new world of shit, if traced back to her and could be prosecuted.

I wouldn't fucking touch her with a barge poll. Would anybody here fuck a prossie knowing in advance that she had an STD but told you it was 'ok' as long as you wore a condom?

I'm sorry on a personal level for her that she has contracted this, but in my opinion she should not be providing sexual services and anybody who's stupid enough to book her deserves all they get. I'm sure there are a few twisted, sad fuckers out there who may enjoy the idea of a danger fuck and a spot of 'bug chasing'. She should be banned from Adultwork and I've very surprised that she hasn't been. It's the height of irresponsibility.
« Last Edit: December 08, 2015, 10:18:31 PM by mattylondon »

Offline comaminion

Don't feel sorry no

Wording is ambiguous, irresponsible to do this as a job knowing you are HIV

An individual with HIV deserves all the happiness that everyone should get in their private life and on a personal level I would not discriminate in civvy world

But the forthcoming honesty does nothing for me its just irresponsible on a wg level



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Offline comaminion

Oh and all the assumptions she caters for for HIV cliebts is speculative who knows so sorry on face value of profile , no sympathy here
Banning reason: White-knighting

Offline comaminion

HIV lowers immune system - two HIV people in the promiscuous world of punting have more chance of making each other Ill as they are more susceptible to every illness

So HIV like for like punting you relying on every person being honest and straightforward and never punting outside the circle

My advice would be don't punt or sell sexual services its irresponsible on every level even betweeen two consenting HIV punter and wg

Unless you have contracted HIV and have no intention of staying as healthy as possible and want to go down in a nihilistic way
Banning reason: White-knighting

I can find nothing to commend about what this woman has said or her in general.

No me neither. It's sad that she's contracted HIV, but highly irresponsible for her to put other people at risk, especially when she could get a job doing something else.

And ......trust another pro$$ie to put the rights of an infected pro$$ie before that of punters. Despicable   :thumbsdown:

No me neither. It's sad that she's contracted HIV, but highly irresponsible for her to put other people at risk, especially when she could get a job doing something else.

And ......trust another pro$$ie to put the rights of an infected pro$$ie before that of punters. Despicable   :thumbsdown:

+1

Offline Leona

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Gosh this thread was rather scary to read!! Good thing she is being honest about her situation..

I feel very sorry for this girl, although in my opinion she really should not continue in this line of work for so many reasons!
Risk to clients (and their partners?) and also to herself.. Increased risk of infections when you have such close contact many different people.

I myself would definitely not see anyone who has seen this lady.
I also however do not see anyone who has previously seen anyone who offers bareback (I check out who they have previous feedback from and look at profiles) or even has profile pictures with bareback "action". Just because this may have been taken with a partner or whatever does not magically make it safe  :unknown:

It is important to be very conscious of such things.. No CIM, everything covered, take a good look at what you put in your mouth.. lol. There are plenty of logical steps we can take to minimise the risks attached to an otherwise very enjoyable pass time  ;)
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Offline mattylondon

Gosh this thread was rather scary to read!! Good thing she is being honest about her situation..

I feel very sorry for this girl, although in my opinion she really should not continue in this line of work for so many reasons!
Risk to clients (and their partners?) and also to herself.. Increased risk of infections when you have such close contact many different people.
Yep, I totally agree with you on that particular woman and on your attempt to 'screen' punters off their Adultwork feedback. However, in reality I believe it's a fools errand and offers you very little real protection from punters whose likes you don't approve of.

Firstly, basing your screening process purely off Adultwork is deeply flawed, as the number of prossies a punter fucks in reality will be vastly different from that. Nobody is going to be arsed to write an Adultwork review for every single prossie they've fucked off that site, never mind where else they may visit. This may include other websites, parlours, agency bookings, street girls and so on. And of course, who they fuck in their personal life, which also applies to you too.

Secondly, most punters who either read Adultwork or forums are already onto your line of reasoning and won't be stupdid enough to leave feedback for prossies who offer bareback if they want to book somebody like you. Thirdly, it also misses the reality that I've found which is many prossies who don't offer bareback and condemn it on their profiles, actually offer it in reality. I have been offered it many, many times, either when I've booked somebody more than once or if they take a 'liking to you', compared to the crusty old guys cocks they normally have to service! No offence intended! Therefore, you may actually be reading a punters feedback on a prossie and he passes your 'test' but she secretly offers bareback.

I respect your right to offer services which you feel comfortable with but honestly, I'd rather wank myself than receive a blow job with a condom! You cannot possibly compare the two. I don't care how good the women says she is. I've had enough of both and I know! It's always interesting to read how many prossies state they provide blow jobs with a condom only and yet are very happy to receive oral without? Other than the clear double standard, an STD could easily be passed onto you through receiving oral. I wonder if your profile states you receive oral? :hi:

« Last Edit: December 10, 2015, 08:59:47 PM by mattylondon »

Offline Cunning Punt

many prossies who don't offer bareback and condemn it on their profiles, actually offer it in reality. I have been offered it many, many times

Bit of scaremongering there. I've never been offered bareback - not come close to it - even by regulars, and nor have most of the punters on here, I should think.

Gut instinct tells you if a girl may possibly offer bareback - a desperate-looking Romanian girl who's part of a group with no feedback may be an indicator.
If a girl offers you bareback and doesn't advertise it on her likes list, then you should write a review and "out" them on here to help other punters.

Gosh this thread was rather scary to read!! Good thing she is being honest about her situation.

Well, as a number of us have mentioned, she isn't being entirely honest. She doesn't actually say "I have HIV" and she's still working as an escort so I don't believe she should be given the credit that some are giving her. She should a) admit to herself and others that she has HIV and, b) stop being a prostitute.
Full stop. End of.


« Last Edit: December 10, 2015, 09:37:48 PM by Cunning Punt »

Offline mattylondon

Bit of scaremongering there. I've never been offered bareback - not come close to it - even by regulars, and nor have most of the punters on here, I should think.
Nonsense. And quite frankly, who gives a fuck what two consenting adults decide to do, even if it isn't my bag. There are far worse tastes on here that some punters enjoy, in my opinion, other than sex without a condom. When you get 'comfortable' with a prossie and know them a little better, all sorts of services pop up that aren't offered on a profile, including anal, which again, isn't my bag.

I have punted for several years and I have been offered it more times than I can mention. Fact. Adultwork, Soho walkups, parlours and others, including abroad too.

The fact that you haven't doesn't negate my own experience. Any more than just because I have been offered it means that you must have. It may well be that I have met a prossie who never offered it to me but has to others. It doesn't work the way you appear to think it does.

I have spoken with quite a few punters privately via PM who have experienced the same.

Would I tell you or anybody else on this site who? Perhaps admin or members who I trust but not you, no offence.  :hi:

Firstly, to do so publicly may well blow my cover. Secondly, because it may have been an 'exception' to her rule. And finally, it's not fair on her because nobody knows what other prossies or punters do behind closed doors. It may not be the rule but it does happen a lot and I can testify to that. Generally speaking, the older women, rather than those in their teens and early 20's, in my experience.

But I do know one thing, whilst I may be younger and in better shape than some of the older farts, there is nothing unique about me! Therefore, if I have been offered that particular service, then statistically speaking, so must have many others.

« Last Edit: December 10, 2015, 09:54:54 PM by mattylondon »

Offline Cunning Punt

The point is many of us expect it would be offered from time to time at parlours, walk-ups and dodgy girls abroad, plus some older women and certain suspicious looking AW profiles.

As I said, there are often tell-tale signs. I avoid the above.

Not sure you'd be that special; if an escort offers it to you, she will offer it to a number of others, whatever she tells you.

Given the health risks, if a girl offered me bareback, I would say so here - and so would most punters, so others have the full info.




Offline mattylondon

Bit of scaremongering there. I've never been offered bareback - not come close to it
A 'giveaway', in terms of Adultwork, can be where you see gallery pictures of a prossie getting fucked by a bare cock. Not normally in the viewable gallery but quite often in the private one.

The profile will either not mention these pictures at all or will say something like this is somebody from their 'private life' or was strictly a non-punter, used for the purposes of porn pictures who had passed STD checks.

I take your point but I prefer to share that sort of thing privately, for the reasons already given. If I had something to say that was a major concern, such as theft, violence, time wasting or other dirty tricks, I would post it publicly.
 
Somebody who is no longer in country who I could mention from a walkup was a girl called 'Baiba', who I used to book for one hour at £130. Offered French kissing, oral without and a couple of times bareback, which I refused. French kissing and oral without were incredibly rare services in a walkup when I used them. I wouldn't know the score now. That girl may well have a review still on prossient somewhere. I think there was one. The other is a blonde who worked in Berwick Street and is pretty well known by those who used to frequent. She may well be still active, so I won't mention her.
« Last Edit: December 10, 2015, 10:15:28 PM by mattylondon »

Offline busty_elle79

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Wow...what a debate I've sparked.
This is going to be my one and ONLY post so firstly...

YES...I have HIV.

I had thought that it was obvious in my profile, but clearly not and I have now rectified that.

I can only assume that most of you discussing me haven't actually read my profile.  I don't offer my services full time and it isn't just sex that I offer.

I offer a full escort service.  I provide companionship / dinner date services for those that may have to be away from home for lengths at a time....Believe it or not I can hold a conversation.

I also offer somewhere for guys to come and explore any fetish they may have without being judged - i.e. guys that want to dress in ladies lingerie and heels.  Or guys who just want to be spanked and guys that have a want to worship feet.

None of the above, necessarily, end in sexual intercourse.

As for sex....YES I am allowed to have sex and I do have a long term partner who is not infected. He's as clued up on the virus as any GP is.

I am surprised at how many of you, both punters and WGs, clearly haven't got a clue about this subject especially as you do appear to put yourselves at regular risk.

I am on medication and my viral load is undetectable so to have protected sex with me is just as safe as having protected sex with anyone else.  If there is a condom mishap - i.e. split.  Then where I will go and get a morning after pill, you can go to your GP, the local GUM clinic or A&E and get some Post-Exposure Prophylaxis medication.

Whilst you're right in that I'm not 100% sure as to who passed it on to me I AM 99% sure. Whether you believe how I contracted it or not is up to you.  I was not, and am not, looking for sympathy.  I was just being honest.

WHAT IS POST-EXPOSURE PROPHYLAXIS?

Prophylaxis means disease prevention. Post-exposure prophylaxis (or PEP) means taking antiretroviral medications (ARVs) as soon as possible after exposure to HIV, so that the exposure will not result in HIV infection.



I appreciate that you say this will be your only post and do not seek sympathy, so I respect this. I also believe that  you wish to be open and honest about your health position.  Would it not be better if you stated "I have HIV" in the main headlines of your profile? Then any viewing punter is clear before they read on and don't have to look for the small print?  If you wish to be transparent, then please amend your profile.  :hi:


Offline mattylondon

Wow...what a debate I've sparked.
This is going to be my one and ONLY post so firstly...

YES...I have HIV.

I had thought that it was obvious in my profile, but clearly not and I have now rectified that.

I don't recall there being much of a debate about this, apart from two of your fellow service providers, who tried to justify your quite frankly reckless actions. Why is that a surprise, when the pair of them only think about the ££, rather than the well-being of an unsuspecting punter. A punter who may well have a wife or girlfriend too. Whilst that's a whole other story, I'll bet that whilst this punter knows there are risks, they sure as hell don't expect to lay themselves open to catching HIV.

What makes me laugh about their particular bullshit, is that you can bet your bottom dollar neither would provide oral without to any punter who they knew had booked you, regardless of how minimal the risk in reality would be.

I am very sorry, on a personal level that you have contracted HIV. However, as a service provider, I have no respect for you whatsoever and I will tell you why.

I have been around long enough and nobody, especially women in this game, can pull the wool over my eyes. I have seen and heard it all, as have many others. Right from the get-go, you have been very deceptive with the wording of your profile. There is an allusion to contracting HIV without an outright admission. The general population gets the term HIV, but not everybody may understand all this talk about contracting 'blood viruses'. I'm of the opinion that you deliberately mislead potential punters because you know very well that you would never get any bookings again. Or if you did, a tiny number.

Therefore, you made a play on words because you know very well if some poor bastard was unlucky enough to catch HIV and it was traced back to you, then you will have committed a criminal offence and be in a new world of shit. So now that you've been flushed out, you have added the words HIV to your profile but are still trying to be deceptive.

I notice that this admission is buried away on your second tab 'before you book', which has to be selected. Why is this very important information about you not front and centre of your profile, where it should be? Why is this fact not in the title of your profile, where I believe that it should be? That way, punters see both a term that is known and they have a choice.

This isn't personal, but I think your conduct is reckless and contemptible. I really feel sorry for the naive punter who may not select that second tab and realise the full gravity of this.

Nobody is being stupid and saying that you shouldn't live a normal life and have sex with whoever you want. HIV is no longer the killer virus it once was and people can lead a very normal life. All that is great and very positive. It could happen to anybody. However, you are in a position of responsibility, as a provider of services. I do not believe anybody with an STD should be providing sexual services to the public, period.

I like a bit of banter and the occasional wind up on this forum. I can take it as well as dish it out. This is one of the rare times that I've seen something that makes me genuinely angry. The impact that you could have on an unsuspecting punter could be absolutely devastating to them.


« Last Edit: December 11, 2015, 01:43:35 AM by mattylondon »

Big +1 from me.

I understand you have to make a living, but continuing to escort when HIV is simply irresponsible. The point that has annoyed me greatly is as mentioned above, the "admission" in the profile, which attempts to be a disclaimer should a poor punter become infected... To me this shows forward thinking on her part.

I wonder if she sat with her "other half" and came up with the wording together....

Simply shocking

CB

Offline MrMatrix

Big +1 aswell.
Mattylondon, sums this thread up really well, very eloquently, spot on.
how would you feel knowingly you'd passed this on, even if you had told them. Do you really thing you'd have a clear conscience  :thumbsdown:
You should stop escorting - no excuses.




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