Do Pro$$i£$ Deserve Respect ?

[mattylondon]

Yes, being a prostitute is never going to be easy but they do get paid a huge amount of money for what is basically a totally unskilled job that anyone can do.
I paid a woman £180 an hour only this week but she is a solicitor, I would guess she spent many years studying for her position. 

In the main, nobody is making them rent their holes for cash Jimmy. Treat with respect, of course, but I'll save my respect for the woman thats working 2 or 3 jobs to make ends meet and has a little more self respect. Don't tell me that women who decide to become prostitutes respect themselves.They're just in denial. I doubt many people in society as a whole would buy that, other than some punters and prossies. It's largely a choice they make to maximise their income, which requires no education or skills whatsoever. Try doing a real job, for a living.

[AnthG]

for what is basically a totally unskilled job that anyone can do.

I don't think it is a job anyone can do.

At the Newcastle agencies. The turn around's there are massive. I mean girls coming in and a couple of weeks later leaving never to return. I am using the agencies as opposed to AW to base this argument as AW is filled with fakes. Whereas the agencies will all be real girls doing this who are genuinely quitting.

So either they are coming into this only with the intentions of working for a couple of weeks just to make a fast small amount of money.

Or they do this and find after a week or so they cannot do it and quit. I feel it would be the latter.

It is the same as Outbound Call centre work. Its available for anyone to do. They open their doors to anyone as its such a terrible job. But there is only a small percentage of the population that could actually do it as it is so difficult - phone people up randomly try to get them to buy stuff. Deal with abuse all day and meet weekly sales targets. It is probably the most difficult job to do. And hence the turn around for that is massive too.

The easiest jobs to get into are often the most difficult to actually do as nobody can do them. (With the exception of medical professional before anyone says anything).

For the record. If I were female I could never be an escort. I don't have the skillset in me.

[Matium]

For the record. If I were female I could never be an escort. I don't have the skillset in me.

All you have to do is lie back and think of England.

 

[Jimmyredcab]

I don't think it is a job anyone can do.

My point is that you need no qualifications, try getting a job in the real world that pays more than £25 an hour with no qualifications ----that equates to £50K a year.   

Of course not all girls are suited to being a pro$$ie, that is why so many give an inferior service, because they hate the job but love the money.

[AnthG]

All you have to do is lie back and think of England.

 

And if she did. She would get a negative review on AW, Pnet and here for it.

This is what Dreamgirl was trying to say earlier but it got lost in all the other arguments.

[AnthG]

My point is that you need no qualifications, try getting a job in the real world that pays more than £25 an hour with no qualifications ----that equates to £50K a year.   

Yeah I know. But according to most of the escorts on Pnet. They all had and then quit those jobs just to work as escorts.   

[Jimmyredcab]

And if she did. She would get a negative review on AW.

Then she would hide her feedback, happens all the time.   

[Jimmyredcab]

Yeah I know. But according to most of the escorts on Pnet. They all had and then quit those jobs just to work as escorts.   

Ex shelf fillers more like.   

[dreamgirl]

In the main, nobody is making them rent their holes for cash Jimmy. Treat with respect, of course, but I'll save my respect for the woman thats working 2 or 3 jobs to make ends meet and has a little more self respect. Don't tell me that women who decide to become prostitutes respect themselves.They're just in denial. I doubt many people in society as a whole would buy that, other than some punters and prossies. It's largely a choice they make to maximise their income, which requires no education or skills whatsoever. Try doing a real job, for a living.

Your comments are so fucking stupid. Are you a prostitute? Or a women? Or know what we think? You sound like someone who was born in the 1920s get a grip!

I have never had so much respect for myself than I do now, but of course sorry you know exactly how I feel and i'm in 'denial'
You fuck their holes so what does that make you? If your so great at getting it in the first place (which I highly doubt) then why ever pay for it? God you have such a high opioion of yourself. Your no better than a prostitute at all. We are all individual people and like Cassie said what we do does not define us as people. It seems the guys who actually agree don't like to comment and show themselves up but would rather send a pm. If your not a punter anymore then why are you still posting? Try doing a real job? You sound like one of those boyfriends of an escort who when he's angry turns around and says bullshit like that. It's pathetic. Some people study and have other jobs or have a plan and aspirations for the future.
All you do is act like you know everything all the time. Things are not just the way you see it.

[softlad]

I have never had so much respect for myself than I do now,

If you won the lottery would you continue on the game ?
Or is kidding yourself you have never had so much self respect your coping mechanism ?

[dreamgirl]

If you won the lottery would you continue on the game ?
Or is kidding yourself you have never had so much self respect your coping mechanism ?

Would you work if you won the lottery? Don't ask silly questions. Oh yes I'm some poor little girl that wishes to get out of it and crys myself to sleep at night...I really don't think so! It has given me so much independence and made me a much stronger person and when I look back I will never regret it.

[softlad]

Would you work if you won the lottery? Don't ask silly questions.

I'm not the one saying I've never had so much self respect. 

Oh yes I'm some poor little girl that wishes to get out of it and crys myself to sleep at night...

Coping mechanism then...

[AnthG]

It seems the guys who actually agree don't like to comment and show themselves up but would rather send a pm.

I am defending you Dreamgirl so I will say this before James invariably comes along and says it. I am hoping it will come better from me.

And that is. The old support via PM argument. Everyone says this during a losing argument.

I am just saying that so it has been said.

Remember 30 people agree with you. The 4 that do not. I think and have a feeling you could offer some of the best arguments in the world and not change their opinion.

*Edit* Jesus, forget 30, its actually jumped up to 39 to 4.

[dreamgirl]

Coping mechanism then.....

No it's not a coping mechanism. Did you not read anything I said? Why again can't you see us as individuals? I'm just wasting my fingers seriously.

[AnthG]

Why again can't you see us as individuals? I'm just wasting my fingers seriously.

Because your job role does not want people to be seen as individuals. The posts on Saafe are all of escorts hating punters who don't follow the; Book, have sex, leave motto.

[dreamgirl]

Because your job role does not want people to be seen as individuals. The posts on Saafe are all of escorts hating punters who don't follow the; Book, have sex, leave motto.

Well I've been and read and not everyone seems to think that way.

My pms can be checked I don't care I've had about 6 from different members here.

[softlad]

Why again can't you see us as individuals?

I do see everyone as indivduals and as I've said earlier always treat people with respect no matter what they do for a living.
My issue is whilst I can respect a women for being a good service provider I don't respect her as women for letting herself do that job.

I'm struggling to make my view understandable, for sure I have double standards, in the sense I am happy to spend my time and money on WG's yet wouldn't want anyone I know to be one.
Bearing in mind I've had three relationships with WG's.

[AnthG]

Well I've been and read and not everyone seems to think that way.

And you have just explained the ultimate issue. Not everyone on saafe, but most do.

Whereas with this poll. Not everyone here but most respect escorts for the job they do.

You cannot convince everyone all of the time.

Didn't someone say something along the lines of "you can convince all people some of the time, or some people all of the time, but you cannot convince all people all of the time".

That is the situation here.

[dreamgirl]

Anyway places to go, punters to see...

[Matium]

Think of two women.

Both live on the same council estate.

One works in a shop during the day and then as a cleaner during the night. She works hard, scrimps and saves to get money for her family.

The other places an advert in her local newsagents and starts selling her body.

Which woman deserves respect?

[PNE.Punter]

Daft question really it depends what group or who you ask what the answer will be

[mh]

I've read through the whole of this topic and one summary could be "they don't deserve respect, but most of us are glad they do what they do". 

Personally I respect their decision to do it and there are many reasons why someone would "choose" to do it. It can be out of necessity (in their view) with no other option (again, at least in their view) available to earn money to live. At the other extreme I saw one girl who was clearly very well off already with a BMW X5 and incredible clothes and flat and so her reasons for doing it were not to avoid being on the breadline. In another case I am convinced the girl in question really enjoyed doing it and the earnings were a big bonus (though I admit she may just have been a great actress).

Of course I don't necessarily respect every WG I've met. And no group automatically deserves respect. You could say doctors or nurses deserve respect then you find a small number are not very nice people, even to the extreme of doing harm.

[Sailormack]

Yes, being a prostitute is never going to be easy but they do get paid a huge amount of money for what is basically a totally unskilled job that anyone can do.
I paid a woman £180 an hour only this week but she is a solicitor, I would guess she spent many years studying for her position. 

Caught kerb crawling again Jim 

[foresight]

In the main, nobody is making them rent their holes for cash Jimmy. Treat with respect, of course, but I'll save my respect for the woman thats working 2 or 3 jobs to make ends meet and has a little more self respect. Don't tell me that women who decide to become prostitutes respect themselves.They're just in denial. I doubt many people in society as a whole would buy that, other than some punters and prossies. It's largely a choice they make to maximise their income, which requires no education or skills whatsoever. Try doing a real job, for a living.

Makes me wonder where, if you pay for sex with people you so obviously despise, is your own self respect?
Please don't confuse self respect with self esteem, of which you seem to have plenty.
What exactly is wrong with maximising one's income - whether it involves education/ skills or not.
Who here is 'in denial'?

[jackdaw]

Think of two women.

Both live on the same council estate.

One works in a shop during the day and then as a cleaner during the night. She works hard, scrimps and saves to get money for her family.

The other places an advert in her local newsagents and starts selling her body.

Which woman deserves respect?

There's at least two logical fallacies in your argument.

The first is that you implicitly assume it's wrong to sell sexual services. In my view it isn't. I do not accept that it is in any way wrong for a competent adult to sell sexual services to another. If you disagree with that... then why are you a punter? (And how is any punter morally superior to a WG?)

The second fallacy is that you imply that one woman must be worthy of respect and the other not. That... in my opinion... is daft. Personally I respect somebody (or not) depending on their honesty and kindness rather than the job they do. I've met a number of WG's that I respect far more than some solicitors I know. Any who think otherwise has a far more exalted view of the legal profession than I.

[softlad]

I do not accept that it is in any way wrong for a competent adult to sell sexual services to another. If you disagree with that... then why are you a punter?

Would you feel the same if it was someone close to you being on the game....Mother/sister/daughter ?

[jackdaw]

Would you feel the same if it was someone close to you being on the game....Mother/sister/daughter ?

Yes. I would find it morally acceptable.

But that is not the same as saying I would be happy with their career choice, not because its immoral but because I regard it as a lifestyle that may put practitioners at risk.

 Similarly, I would be unhappy with close family pursuing several "risky" careers... I would, for example, do my earnest best to dissuade any family member from going onto military service.

[cunnyhunt]

Think of two women.

Both live on the same council estate.

One works in a shop during the day and then as a cleaner during the night. She works hard, scrimps and saves to get money for her family.

The other places an advert in her local newsagents and starts selling her body.

Which woman deserves respect?

So the first woman steals from the shop and does not do her full hours of cleaning, but the second gives a good service for the money asked ?

I have no instant respect for people without knowing them, it has to be earned by actions. dreamgirl/TK is confusing respect with self esteem, if she respects herself now how could she disrespect herself in the future ? self esteem is about how you feel about yourself.

[Dani]

All you have to do is lie back and think of England.

 

Hmm If I did that in my bookings I would never get repeat custom,  Oh if only it was that easy.  I have to be engaging, witty as well as sexy and then there is the sexual interactions with someone who I probably would never look at in real life.  If you do this job how it should be done it is physically and emotionally draining

[softlad]

Similarly, I would be unhappy with close family pursuing several "risky" careers... I would, for example, do my earnest best to dissuade any family member from going onto military service.

Where as I would be full of respect !

[enzio]

I have a daughter and I would much rather when she grows up she was a WG then many other occupations.  I would particularly hate it if she spreads her legs at 16, was a single mum , lived on the dole and had no intention of working or even worse was on the dole (without being a single mum) and never intended to work.

I appreciate that being a WG carries a moral stigma (which is probably why so many blokes would not want their daughters/ sisters etc. to do it) but I'm confident enough to overlook that.

[mh]

I appreciate that being a WG carries a moral stigma (which is probably why so many blokes would not want their daughters/ sisters etc. to do it) but I'm confident enough to overlook that.

Yeah, but would you really be confident enough to answer truthfully when your boss, friends, work colleagues etc ask what your daughter does for a living?

I agree with an earlier poster that it should not be viewed as an inferior career choice to so many other possible choices, but I can see it would not be an easy one to manage in our society today and surely for many decades to come.

[Silver Birch]

Why do I pay for sex?
Because I can't get the sex I want, for free!

Why does a women work as a prostitute?
Because she can't afford what she wants stacking shelves!

We both choose a particular path so we can get what we want.

I have more respect for a wg, (providing she is not claiming benefits), than someone who is sitting on their fat lazy arse ranting at the Jeremy Kyle show all day, while they smoke and drink my taxes away.

[NIK]

Yeah, but would you really be confident enough to answer truthfully when your boss, friends, work colleagues etc ask what your daughter does for a living?

You could always say she's a high class courtesan.

[yumyum3]

Thanks foresight and jackdaw. I like your comments and argument. It seems a bit rich having a hobbie being around and talking about ladies who charge for sex and then suggesting they don't deserve respect.  I go back to my comments at the beginning of this thread that it is about people rather than the abstract label of prostitute. However, the poll figures show that it is only just over 10% who say prostitutes don't deserve respect.

[ParisB]

 i don't  think its any of my business  either way 

I'll answer it if you do.
Do you respect married punters who cheat on their partners ?

[kizzie]

Wasn't going to post on here again,but what can u say, i show the consistency of the average whore!  What is it with you lot and stacking shelves? I don't object to the points that i earn more on my back (not to be taken too literally - my clients tend to prefer a more active experience, and also if necessary, i think of st Lucia or Maui etc as England is a tad mundane) when you live here) than i could with my level of education, IQ and inherent laziness, which of course all prossis are cursed. But why is it always shelves? Could i not be a cleaner or abarmaid for a change?  Respect me for this please :angry:i offer a service which i do my utmost to make a good honest one. On the money i receive i support myself and my family and buy a bloody lot of shoes (re another topic, i charge more than £100 ph because i can) but most importantly my mornings are left free for Jeremy!

[ParisB]

personally i think that regardless  if your a  plumber,  prosititute, taxi driver, MP  factory worker  or doctor  respect is earn not automatically given and it has a lot to do if you like the person or not  ( although it shouldn't )

i might respect the fact that my doctor has spent numerous years training to be  a doctor, but if i knew him /her as  a person i might not respect them for various reasons 

[yumyum3]

Wasn't going to post on here again,but what can u say, i show the consistency of the average whore!  What is it with you lot and stacking shelves? I don't object to the points that i earn more on my back (not to be taken too literally - my clients tend to prefer a more active experience, and also if necessary, i think of st Lucia or Maui etc as England is a tad mundane) when you live here) than i could with my level of education, IQ and inherent laziness, which of course all prossis are cursed. But why is it always shelves? Could i not be a cleaner or abarmaid for a change?  Respect me for this please :angry:i offer a service which i do my utmost to make a good honest one. On the money i receive i support myself and my family and buy a bloody lot of shoes (re another topic, i charge more than £100 ph because i can) but most importantly my mornings are left free for Jeremy!

Good post. If you can make a good living and a good life for you and your family then good luck to you
And ParisB, I agree with your post and would certainly like to oblige your offer at the end as long as you promise to respond in kind
I wouldn't want anyone to lie on their back and think of England for free let alone pay for it

[enzio]

Yeah, but would you really be confident enough to answer truthfully when your boss, friends, work colleagues etc ask what your daughter does for a living?

No; I'm not that confident; yet!  But that's got to do with the stigma attached to prostitution and nothing to do with the respect I would maintain for my daughter if she was a prostitute.

[iName]

I'm just wasting my fingers seriously.

yes you are. put them to better use and stick em up your hole since you wont be getting any business with your attitude.

[dreamgirl]

yes you are. put them to better use and stick em up your hole since you wont be getting any business with your attitude.

Oh dear! What a silly comment. I love this job and have a great attitude towards it and to all the men I see and business is booming So I don't know where that comment is from? Just sticking up for your fellow punter friends I think

[Matium]

Perhaps they should be asked if they feel guilty about sleeping with other women's husbands and boyfriends?

[AnthG]

Wasn't going to post on here again,but what can u say, i show the consistency of the average whore!

Can I firstly say I am pleased you did post here again as this was a good post and certainly its good to see the escorts sides of things in these types of discussion.

Can I take this chance now given you have raised you objection to people mentioning shelf stacking. How annoying it is you coming along calling yourself a whore.

This is the most offensive thing to call an escort (in my and I bet many others opinion ) and its annoying seeing it constantly thrown about. It almost seems escorts call themselves this just to get it in first to shock people so nobody else would call them it. Just wanted to say this and given your mention about Shelf stacking it seemed the right time.

[xuan]

There's at least two logical fallacies in your argument.

The first is that you implicitly assume it's wrong to sell sexual services. In my view it isn't. I do not accept that it is in any way wrong for a competent adult to sell sexual services to another. If you disagree with that... then why are you a punter? (And how is any punter morally superior to a WG?)

The second fallacy is that you imply that one woman must be worthy of respect and the other not. That... in my opinion... is daft. Personally I respect somebody (or not) depending on their honesty and kindness rather than the job they do. I've met a number of WG's that I respect far more than some solicitors I know. Any who think otherwise has a far more exalted view of the legal profession than I.

+1

A strange relationship we humans have with sex. It's such a fundamental part of who and what we are and yet we are perpetually disgusted and ashamed of it. I'd love to live in a society where it's all out in the open, completely normal and unremarkable. In such a society, selling sex would be about as exceptional as selling vegetables. Thus the question of those involved in the industry 'deserving respect' would be moot. And I guarantee you we'd all be better for it.

[smiths]

the main problem with 'respecting' prossies seems to be that too many
people fundamentally seem to think that sex is in some way dirty.a person
selling their body -how awful and disgusting!...why?
society has a warped view of morality often infected by
backward notions of decency.
look on TV,youtube etc... and you will see appalling acts
of human violence and barbarity,but a man's erection or a pussy-well that's just too much.

i try not to prejudge people and treat them as they treat me.so
i voted 'some do,some dont'

I go on what I think not society or other people as long as its within the law, consentual and with adults.

[kizzie]

I use that term on my profile actually. It started as a reaction against escort, which i consider a wishy-washy euphemism. But im afraid i reserve the right to call myself what i choose, unless this is  forum rule?

[AnthG]

I use that term on my profile actually. It started as a reaction against escort, which i consider a wishy-washy euphemism. But im afraid i reserve the right to call myself what i choose, unless this is  forum rule?

But my point is. Why call yourself the most offensive term for what you do? You say you dislike the word escort. Its a bit of a jump going from escort to whore.

But I guess if you want to call yourself this. Its up to you. Did not mean for you to get so defensive about it.

[smiths]

There's at least two logical fallacies in your argument.

The first is that you implicitly assume it's wrong to sell sexual services. In my view it isn't. I do not accept that it is in any way wrong for a competent adult to sell sexual services to another. If you disagree with that... then why are you a punter? (And how is any punter morally superior to a WG?)

The second fallacy is that you imply that one woman must be worthy of respect and the other not. That... in my opinion... is daft. Personally I respect somebody (or not) depending on their honesty and kindness rather than the job they do. I've met a number of WG's that I respect far more than some solicitors I know. Any who think otherwise has a far more exalted view of the legal profession than I.

Spot on Jackdaw, excellent post. The only thing is i think a punter can punt and not respect the WG and/or think she is doing something morally wrong. He sees that as her being wrong and not worthy of respect, he is merely paying for a business transaction.

Like you i dont think its wrong at all, its up to an adult to decide for themselves and if they wish to become a WG thats their business and all i hope is they keep safe and offer a good or better service to us punters.

As to respect i have posted my view, it has to be earned but once it is i respect the person whether its a WG or not. I dont think that because a woman is selling her body it makes her somehow less to be respected. If she offers a good or better service i respect her as i do anyone else, the fact she offers sexual services for money doesnt make her a lesser person to me, in fact with some great WGs it makes than a greater person to me as i respect and appreciate the honesty and service given.

This is about posters own personal morality and how they view things of course, i see nothing wrong with being a WG, if a woman is freely wanting to do it and offers a good or better service to her punters then good luck to her and good luck for whatever she earns, it could be viewed as smart to do something that you can earn a decent amount of cash doing without years of training.

Once again i applaud good or better WGs but castigate bad ones.

[kizzie]

 Im not off to  a very good re-start am i? Sorry anth and thanks for the welcome. The whole issue is a minefield! But i don't mind the w word, actually i prefer it to prossie. Id never call anyone else it though! I suppose i used it originally for effect, but now out of habit. But back to the post, i think a better question may be 'do women who  'escort' automatically earn disrespect?It's a subtle difference, but u c my point.
p.s im stuck today with just phone nd its sticking, pl excuse any cock ups in posts