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Sailormack

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BIG difference between prostitutes and hairdressers Anth.

But you knew that anyway  :unknown:

Offline mattylondon

BIG difference between prostitutes and hairdressers Anth.

But you knew that anyway  :unknown:
Both specialise in 'blowing' their customers, but one is naturally more preferable than the other!  :D

Offline mattylondon

By stepping stone I meant students doing this whilst at uni/college to earn money while doing their course to do their eventual dream job on graduation.
That's an urban myth, in my experience and simply used for marketing purposes. Tell me how many genuine students you've punted, where you can categorically prove that then? I've punted dozens in London around that age and can't name one. I got to talk to many, post punt, once I visited them a few times. Some moved into it from lap dancing, as they have a short sell by date and most did it because they had a child to support, either here or in the case of quite a few EEs, back home. Never met a genuine student and besides, the money is addictive. What job would a student get these days, that pays more than a tax free and successful prossie earns? Especially, if they were young and fit.  :hi:
Yes because it shows a dedication to want to be part of the forum again.
Perhaps it shows how mentally unhinged she is, after categorically stating to me she has never been back, ever, when I and others believe she has and is 'Dreamgirl'. Dedication to being an attention whore, more like it!!  :D
I have a softspot for that particular escort. And also the one called Shady. Just as I can see parts of myself in them. (or at least would want to  :lol: - sorry crass joke).
Shadylady (ilovekitties on Prossienet) positively hates you and you have a soft spot for her?!  :dash:
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Offline AnthG

Tell me how many genuine students you've punted
None, but I have punted with a few who have just recently graduated and are doing this whilst looking for work in their degree profession. (So they said to me at least)

when I and others believe she has.
For the record I also believe Dreamgirl is maybe someone else too. But this is for no other reason than simply that I believe you are correct in your argument as to why you think it is this different escort. (who I wont mention incase its not her)

Shadylady (ilovekitties on Prossienet) positively hates you and you have a soft spot for her?!  :dash:

She has been really nice in every PM exhange I have had with her. Its only her public persona who is nasty and vile.

I personally want to believe she is just a major serious computer geek who lacks perfect social skills and the vileness in public posts thing is just too much overcompensation to try and fit in with the sisterhood clique. It may be a daft thing to believe I know. But whats the harm. She is hardly going to take offence for someone thinking she is a decent person is she.
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Lurtz

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I suppose there is a base level of respect that all humans deserve, but beyond that I don’t automatically give people respect without reason. I’ve met corrupt dentists, lazy lawyers, incompetent doctors, useless mechanics, surly shop assistants, pushy salesmen etc

As for prostitutes, in the early days I met many girls who were feckless idiots whose main skill was not turning up for work and, if they did appear, they had no pride in their ‘profession’.

I reserve respect for those who deserve it and I’m happy to heap praise on them.

sucky2dollar

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As women, no.
As prostitututes, sometimes.

 





Offline haystacks79

Everyone gets my respect and its not for me to judge anyones morality however its only the individuals own actions and attitude that then can keep the initial respect given to them from me and if/once lost its hard to get it back..

Quite right. As I've said else where, I'll treat people with respect until they prove they don't deserve it. As far as having my respect, then I think I probably start with a base level of respect for everyone - through their actions, attitude or whatever my level of respect for them may go up or down, and isn't linked to whatever their profession is, it's linked to who they are.

And I respect any wg who has chosen freely to do this job, doing it with enthusiasm and providing services promised and well. I have no respect for those that don't deliver, as I wouldn't in any other form of business.

There's another question posed here - would you like/want your daughter to become a WG - as I don't have a daughter, I can't answer the exact question, but extend it to other women possibly in my life, my sister or a (currently mythical, but hey, I can dream!) girlfriend - would I want them to be/become a WG? No, not by choice - but, if that's the decision they made themselves, of their own free will, I'd respect it as their choice, and offer whatever support I could, as I would with any other job they'd decided to take.

Offline Jimmyredcab

None, but I have punted with a few who have just recently graduated and are doing this whilst looking for work in their degree profession. (So they said to me at least)

Anth, many of these ladies leave "Uni" with their degree in media studies and guess what ? They can't get a job that pays anything like being on the game ----- in the real world £25 an hour is a very good wage, nothing like the £150 an hour they have been used to ---- and they have to pay tax on the £25 an hour.

Offline Matium

I wouldn't respect any woman that'd have me as a client.

 :diablo:

Online gaz255

Anyone that can put up with the likes of me for an hours sex has my greatest respect!!!!
OK being flipant
On a more serious note-people are people-they earn or lose my respect by the way they treat others.The escorts I have met,with one or two exceptions are really good people with a lot more respect for others than I meet in the other realms of life and thus have my respect.

dreamgirl

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I can't believe four people have actually voted no. Is anyone going to come forward and say who they are? If you met a prostitute and didn't know that she was one but she was nice and polite to you, you would respect her. Your basing this purely on her job which says nothing about the person she may actually be. You should be ashamed. :thumbsdown:

Offline AnthG

If you met a prostitute and didn't know that she was one but she was nice and polite to you, you would respect her.
To be honest reading your post a few times. I don't think anyone would.

The definition of respect is; the condition of being esteemed or honored: to be held in respect.

You do not hold someone in respect just for them being nice and polite to you as you would expect every women/person to be nice and polite to you.

You could say you think she was a nice person. Which is different from respect. It would actually be interesting if those 4 who voted no like you say would go as far to say if they found out a women they were talking to and was nice and polite to them in that discussion was an escort. Would they immediately then think she was not a nice person.
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Offline mattylondon

To be honest reading your post a few times. I don't think anyone would.

The definition of respect is; the condition of being esteemed or honored: to be held in respect.

You do not hold someone is respect just for being nice and polite to you as you would expect every women to be nice and polite to you.

You could say you think she was a nice person. Which is different from respect. It would actually be interesting if those 4 who voted no like you say would go as far to say if they found out a women they were talking to and was nice and polite to them in that discussion was an escort. Would they immediately then think she was not a nice person.
Should a prostitute treated in a polite and respectful manner, before, during and after a booking? Yes, absolutely.

Respected as a woman who sells sex for a living? Nope, not in my opinion.

Respect in general? Respect needs to be earned, not expected, as of right. Being 'nice' doesn't come into it and is subjective, is it not?
« Last Edit: July 03, 2012, 09:15:11 pm by mattylondon »

softlad

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It would actually be interesting if those 4 who voted no like you say would go as far to say if they found out a women they were talking to and was nice and polite to them in that discussion was an escort. Would they immediately then think she was not a nice person.

It would certainly change my opinion of her.

Offline AnthG

Respected as a woman who sells sex for a living? Nope, not in my opinion.

Respect in general? Respect needs to be earned, not expected, as of right.

Yes but if I also found out a women was a Nurse. I would instantly respect her. A Teacher, A Musician, A Vet.... There are many job roles solely due to their job. I would respect him or her for doing it.

And I personally would classify an escort as one of those job roles.

Obviously the issue at hand in this discussion is either others would not class an escort as one of those instant respect roles.

Or some people do not instantly respect people just due to their job role. As you say they feel regardless of what they do for a living they need to earn that respect.
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Offline Horizontal pleasures

I wouldn't respect any woman that'd have me as a client.

 :diablo:
aha, a true Marxist.

Offline mattylondon

Yes but if I also found out a women was a Nurse. I would instantly respect her. A Teacher, A Musician, A Vet.... There are many job roles solely due to their job. I would respect him or her for doing it.

And I personally would classify an escort as one of those job roles.
You're respecting her profession when you make that snap judgement aren't you, surely? Not the person. How do you know that the nurse isn't a nasty piece of work in her social life and therefore not worthy of respect?

The two aren't the same thing.
« Last Edit: July 03, 2012, 09:23:21 pm by mattylondon »

softlad

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And I personally would classify an escort as one of those job roles.

 :lol:

Offline mattylondon

:lol:
I'm not even going to comment on the 'escort job role'! To each his own!   :D

One of my friends, who is a nurse with a degree would be gratified to know that some men compare all her hard work and labour, with that of a prostitute!  :sarcastic:


dreamgirl

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Well those comments were expected. What about if your son paid for sex? Would you be like 'good on ya mate' ?
It's a shame we live in such a society where although punters are happy to fuck the girls they are paying some of them have no respect for them as women at all. Very sad actually. I wonder why people think that some members here hate prostitutes if they clearly have no respect for them, it's beond me. :rolleyes:

Offline AnthG

Well those comments were expected. What about if your son paid for sex? Would you be like 'good on ya mate' ?
It's a shame we live in such a society where although punters are happy to fuck the girls they are paying some of them have no respect for them as women at all. Very sad actually. I wonder why people think that some members here hate prostitutes if they clearly have no respect for them, it's beond me. :rolleyes:
You are misconstruing the results.

You are aware the results so far are 30 to 4 in the respect escorts.

And the current crop of comments was just a poster saying, that he wants someone to earn respect over it automatically being given. He said the same was for nurses and vets too.

Furthermore with regards to the issue you raise society does have stigmatisms. I can remember in the old days homosexuality was totally accepted practice but only if you were on the "male" side of it, the receiving person was considered totally shameful and deserving of no respect.

In the 60s' homosexuality was considered so bad it was illegal in the UK. That has changed in recent years

Currently a lot of people feel sex workers are equally shameful. Many people seem to quote mumsnet. If the poll was started on there it would likely be 30-4 on the no respect side. But on this forum is been an overriding majority of people respecting escorts. And yet you are still getting upset?
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Offline mattylondon

Men will always 'pay' for sex in some way. Be that the trophy wife, the wag or yes, even a prostitute. It was ever thus.

No punter on here, that I'm aware of, has ever said that they 'hate' prostitutes, so stop putting words into people's mouths. If any of my female friends decided to become a prostitute, whilst I'd fully accept that it is their right and choice, it's not a choice I would personally respect. I respect those women who work bloody hard, earning minimum wage and have a little bit more respect for themselves.  :hi:

There are many women who would not understand or respect a man who paid for sex either.

However, do not try and compare what a punter does, with a woman, who puts a price on herself in order to sell sex to whoever will pay. It's not the same thing, even if you try to make out it is.  :hi:

« Last Edit: July 03, 2012, 09:43:33 pm by mattylondon »

dreamgirl

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It's just a shame that even some people still think this way that is all.

Offline mattylondon

In the 60s' homosexuality was considered so bad it was illegal in the UK. That has changed in recent years
Homosexuality is biological in nature and not a lifestyle choice. Well, I'm not aware of anybody that 'chooses' to be either a homosexual or lesbian!  :D

I don't believe the comparison to prostitution holds up. Women choose to become prostitutes, even if that 'choice' is out of financial need, for the majority. A reading of Saafe will tell you that, with the number complaining that their rent is due and they need bookings.. whilst still slagging off men. Don't bite the hand that feeds you springs to mind.  ;)
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Offline AnthG

I can remember in the old days homosexuality was totally accepted practice but only if you were on the "male" side of it, the receiving person was considered totally shameful and deserving of no respect.

To clarify. when I say "I can remember" I mean from studying it in the likes of history classes about ancient Roman/Greek times.  :)
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James999

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I demand respect

respect is something that is earned or deserved, the fact that you feel you need to DEMAND it simply confirms even you don't think you will get respect unless you demand it, So if you don't think you deserve respect why would others think you deserve it  :hi:

James999

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I do find it funny how most people see prostitutes with less respect than they do the punter. How does that work?

Probably because Punters are generally normal people who just decide to pay for casual sex, where as prostitution is considered by the public as failures who have resorted to selling their bodies to feed habits / addictions etc, and have failed to secure a normal job / lifestyle.  The truth behind each individuals circumstances will vary of course, but the public perception remains.  :hi:


Offline mattylondon

respect is something that is earned or deserved, the fact that you feel you need to DEMAND it simply confirms even you don't think you will get respect unless you demand it, So if you don't think you deserve respect why would others think you deserve it  :hi:
It confirms that perhaps she has, deep down in her quiet times, reservations about the lifestyle choice she has made... from time to time. If she was in a regular job, I doubt she'd be saying she DEMANDS respect. Perhaps a chip on her shoulder or some kind of inferiority complex :hi:

Lurtz

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I can't believe four people have actually voted no. Is anyone going to come forward and say who they are? If you met a prostitute and didn't know that she was one but she was nice and polite to you, you would respect her. Your basing this purely on her job which says nothing about the person she may actually be. You should be ashamed. :thumbsdown:

I assume those 4 voters think you should be ashamed.

Offline Dani

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It depends on the prossie herself is she deserves respect or not.  I expect my clients to be respectful towards me but cannot expect them to respect me as they do not know me.

Noone deserves to be respected no matter what their job.  It is something that has to be earnt. 
I do however think that saying all prossies should not be respected is an outdated moral concept.  It is based on those who sell themselves on the street and have no respect for themselves.  How can anyone have respect for anyone who does not respect themselves.
Although still selling our bodies some of us do this and do respect ourselves and are respectful of others and can earn others respect.

As I said it is not the job but the person. Some of do not allow the job to take over our lives so we are not prossies we just work as prossies, we do not let our job define us as a person so have the same rights as others to earn respect.

As for the question asked about married men.  If they act in the right manner towards me and earn my trust then of course I would respect them.

I can respect people who do something others consider morally wrong as my morals are slightly different than what is considered the norm


**Blimey how many times can the word respect be said in one reply**

Offline mattylondon


**Blimey how many times can the word respect be said in one reply**
Indeed! You have my respect!  :lol:

dreamgirl

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Probably because Punters are generally normal people who just decide to pay for casual sex, where as prostitution is considered by the public as failures who have resorted to selling their bodies to feed habits / addictions etc, and have failed to secure a normal job / lifestyle.  The truth behind each individuals circumstances will vary of course, but the public perception remains.  :hi:
Yes. Which is why other prostitutes give 'normal girls' doing this a bad name. I didn't mean I demand respect just in this profession, I mean at all times. I am always respectful to others if they don't show me the same they know where to go.

dreamgirl

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As I said it is not the job but the person. Some of do not allow the job to take over our lives so we are not prossies we just work as prossies, we do not let our job define us as a person so have the same rights as others to earn respect.

As for the question asked about married men.  If they act in the right manner towards me and earn my trust then of course I would respect them.

I can respect people who do something others consider morally wrong as my morals are slightly different than what is considered the norm

Spot on.

James999

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in this profession,

Sorry to "Burst your bubble" but Laying back and getting shagged for £80 (or whatever) is NOT a profession, it requires no training, no exams, no qualifications and few skills other than to lay still for a few minutes  :hi:

Offline mattylondon

I can respect people who do something others consider morally wrong as my morals are slightly different than what is considered the norm

I thought that was a good post too and you articulate your very case well, even if we'd disagree! Some other SP's should pay attention and learn.  ;)

What sort of immoral things did you have in mind, where the person was still worthy of your respect?  :hi:
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dreamgirl

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Sorry to "Burst your bubble" but Laying back and getting shagged for £80 (or whatever) is NOT a profession, it requires no training, no exams, no qualifications and few skills other than to lay still for a few minutes  :hi:
Well I'm sure girls who think they can just lay there still for a few minutes would not last very long in this 'job'!

James999

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Yes. Which is why other prostitutes give 'normal girls' doing this a bad name.

Why try and Blur the edges, if a "Normal girl" sells herself then she is a prostitue  :dash:

dreamgirl

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Why try and Blur the edges, if a "Normal girl" sells herself then she is a prostitue  :dash:
Of course she is a prostitute. I have said that several times? :unknown:

Offline AnthG

Sorry to "Burst your bubble" but Laying back and getting shagged for £80 (or whatever) is NOT a profession, it requires no training, no exams, no qualifications and few skills other than to lay still for a few minutes  :hi:
It depends on the definition used.

Quote
Profession;

1.a vocation requiring knowledge of some department of learning or science: the profession of teaching. Compare learned profession.
2.any vocation or business.
3.the body of persons engaged in an occupation or calling:

The main definition of profession is as you say. But it could be argued the second and third allows Dreamgirl to call escorting a profession?

I would also argue escorting is the ultimate customer service job. Chatting with a naked girl and her having you enjoy the time with her is not easy.
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Offline mattylondon

It depends on the definition used.

The main definition of profession is as you say. But it could be argued the second and third allows Dreamgirl to call escorting a profession?

I would also argue escorting is the ultimate customer service job. Chatting with a naked girl and her having you enjoy the time with her is not easy.
Absolute nonsense!   :D

Any profession, that I'm aware of, requires a high degree of often lengthy training, culminating in some form of examination or test of competence and a recognised qualification at the end of it. How does any of what you said apply to a prostitute?  :dash:

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a paid occupation, especially one that involves prolonged training and a formal qualification
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Offline AnthG

Absolute nonsense!  :dash:

All professions, that I'm aware of, require a high degree of often lengthy training, culminating in some form of examination or test of competence and a recognised qualification at the end of it. How does any of what you said apply?

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a paid occupation, especially one that involves prolonged training and a formal qualification:
his chosen profession of teaching
Agree the Oxford dictionary doesn't allow it from its definition.

but it does say on that page

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Phrases

the oldest profession
    humorous the practice of working as a prostitute.

But dictionary.com does possibly allow escorting to be considered a profession by its use of multiple definitions with one simply saying "the body of persons engaged in an occupation or calling"
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Offline mattylondon

Agree the Oxford dictionary doesn't allow it from its definition.

but it does say on that page

But dictionary.com does possibly allow escorting to be considered a profession by its use of multiple definitions with one simply saying "the body of persons engaged in an occupation or calling"
Associating prostitution in a humorous context, with the word 'professional'. Not defining a prostitute as a professional. There's a big difference.

And another thing, an SP may act in a professional manner. One would at least hope so, but that doesn't make her a professional. Again, it's not the same thing, in my opinion.
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Offline enzio

Apologies for getting into semantics but I think the problem with this thread is that there seems to be no general consensus on the definition of "respect" (it seems to have so many meanings on this thread).  I did a quick google "define respect" and top result came out with:

"re·spect/riˈspekt/Noun:   A feeling of deep admiration for someone or something elicited by their abilities, qualities, or achievements.


Verb:   Admire (someone or something) deeply, as a result of their abilities, qualities, or achievements.


Synonyms:   noun.  regard - esteem - reverence - deference - consideration
verb.  honour - honor - esteem - regard - venerate - revere"

If the above definition is correct then there are only a few people I have "deep admiration" for.  I doubt that I could "deeply admire" a WG just because she was a Working Girl (just as I wouldn't admire anyone just because of the job they did) and in that respect Cassie is right when she says:

Noone deserves to be respected no matter what their job.  It is something that has to be earnt. 

If a WG raised thousands for charity then I would definitely deeply admire her, similarly, with a punter.  At the end of the day you deeply admire someone because of their abilities, qualities and achievements not their career choice.

Offline smiths

Apologies for getting into semantics but I think the problem with this thread is that there seems to be no general consensus on the definition of "respect" (it seems to have so many meanings on this thread).  I did a quick google "define respect" and top result came out with:

"re·spect/riˈspekt/Noun:   A feeling of deep admiration for someone or something elicited by their abilities, qualities, or achievements.


Verb:   Admire (someone or something) deeply, as a result of their abilities, qualities, or achievements.


Synonyms:   noun.  regard - esteem - reverence - deference - consideration
verb.  honour - honor - esteem - regard - venerate - revere"

If the above definition is correct then there are only a few people I have "deep admiration" for.  I doubt that I could "deeply admire" a WG just because she was a Working Girl (just as I wouldn't admire anyone just because of the job they did) and in that respect Cassie is right when she says:

If a WG raised thousands for charity then I would definitely deeply admire her, similarly, with a punter.  At the end of the day you deeply admire someone because of their abilities, qualities and achievements not their career choice.

I think a number of posters have given their take on respect. Its certainly got to be earned in punting in my view by the WG offering what she agreed to in an honest fashion and having a good or better attitude.

If that happens i do respect a WG, but the questions on the poll can only by answered by me as some do, some dont as it depends on the WG and as not all WGs are honest i cant vote yes, but most in my experience are honest so i cant vote no.

The ins and outs of the job i dont care about, its the WGs business as to her reasons, i just want good or better service.
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Offline nervyfooker

the main problem with 'respecting' prossies seems to be that too many
people fundamentally seem to think that sex is in some way dirty.a person
selling their body -how awful and disgusting!...why?
society has a warped view of morality often infected by
backward notions of decency.
look on TV,youtube etc... and you will see appalling acts
of human violence and barbarity,but a man's erection or a pussy-well that's just too much.

i try not to prejudge people and treat them as they treat me.so
i voted 'some do,some dont'

Offline adindas

I do respect WGs, But from business POV I am also expecting them to provide the service that I have paid for.

Offline Jimmyredcab

I do respect WGs, But from business POV I am also expecting them to provide the service that I have paid for.

Yes, and so they should, but far too many want to do as little as possible for the highest amount of money, just look at the profiles that say "at discretion" when they have no intention of providing that service.
Then you have the girls who turn a one hour booking into a 40 minute booking.  :(

Tony Montana

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Respect is very much like trust in that you start off with a nominal amount for each other and either gain or lose it based upon the actions, opinions or beliefs of the other person.

I generally respect WG's and the job they do.  It may not be for everyone and the sacrifices they have to make in terms of personal/family relationships, leading a double life, the social stigma, timewasters etc means it can be difficult to remain emotionally balanced, so I'm even prepared to give them some leeway.

Although, do you need to respect a WG to see one?  After all, it is just a business transaction and I don't ask myself do I respect the Tesco checkout girls.

Offline Jimmyredcab



I generally respect WG's and the job they do.  It may not be for everyone and the sacrifices they have to make in terms of personal/family relationships, leading a double life, the social stigma, timewasters etc means it can be difficult to remain emotionally balanced, so I'm even prepared to give them some leeway.


Yes, being a prostitute is never going to be easy but they do get paid a huge amount of money for what is basically a totally unskilled job that anyone can do.
I paid a woman £180 an hour only this week but she is a solicitor, I would guess she spent many years studying for her position.  ;)