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Offline Matium

Yet another attempt to ban prostitution:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/jun/22/french-minister-abolition-prostitution-europe

All these plans, whether in France or Scotland, coalesce around the same ideas - "no woman would ever want to be a prostitute so every woman must be forced" - and yet no politician or feminist ever stops to think that girls voluntarily become prostitutes because of the money on offer, there are girls  who are on £100,000 a year)

The key idea in this plan, as in the one in Scotland, is to follow the Swedish model, ie, the girls who sell sex are "innocent" but the guys who buy sex are "pervs" - so it is the buying of sex that will be made illegal.

The plan being that if there are no buyers then there cannot be any sellers so Prostitution will eventually wither away.

Somehow, I don't think it will succeed.

Prostitution has been around since about 1million BC...

Politicians arent going to be able to abolish it, the sooner they realise that the better  :dash:

Making it illegal to pay for sex will only scare off the safer punters and leave the girls with the more dangerous ones  :thumbsdown:

Offline smiths

Prostitution has been around since about 1million BC...

Politicians arent going to be able to abolish it, the sooner they realise that the better  :dash:

Making it illegal to pay for sex will only scare off the safer punters and leave the girls with the more dangerous ones  :thumbsdown:

Spot on. The sad thing is the politicians, femi-nazis and media actually know it will make it more dangerous for WGs but dont care. Shame on them.

Offline adindas

The law is introduced to protect society and most vulnerable people in particular.
Here what the law is trying to protect, if noone has been coerced.

Offline smiths

The law is introduced to protect society and most vulnerable people in particular.
Here what the law is trying to protect, if noone has been coerced.

Thats the bullshit the anti-prostitution brigade say, in reality its crap and they know its crap. How many prosecutions have there been under the coercion laws, our legal eagles couldnt find one, its a law designed to scare punters off punting in the first place, all bark with no bite, at least so far. HH was and is a cunt who knows perfectly well that many WGs freely sell sex, its her own personal morality that is offended by this. Well she can go stick her own morality up her arse, i punt using my own morality not being interested in hers. If proof of coercion is found its blindingly obvious it should be the person doing the coercing who gets done not some random punter who hasnt a clue what the scenario is.

IMO what the police should be doing is nicking traffickers whether the woman was willingly trafficked or not and the courts should being handing such scumbags mandatory life sentences in my view. Leave women and punters who are adults and agree by consent to offer and pay for sex to it.

In this country street prostitution/soliciting in public is already a crime as is kerb crawling, these women are already protected by the law as they are viewed by some as vulnerable, whether thats because they choose to willingly take class A drugs or not.

Offline adindas


IMO what the police should be doing is nicking traffickers whether the woman was willingly trafficked or not and the courts should being handing such scumbags mandatory life sentences in my view. Leave women and punters who are adults and agree by consent to offer and pay for sex to it.

In this country street prostitution/soliciting in public is already a crime as is kerb crawling, these women are already protected by the law as they are viewed by some as vulnerable, whether thats because they choose to willingly take class A drugs or not.

That is a very good point. Making prostitution is not illegal will even help the law enforcer to track traffickers, as the punters might tip off the law enforcers in case they see evidence of traffickers or coercion.

I will always argue that prostitution (non- coercive one) is good for society. Just to name some benefits:

Punters are helping WGs to keep maintaining WG’s lifestyle, so they could keep buying new gadgets, such as iPhones, iPads in the markets so often they want to. Without disposable income gained from working as a WG they might do something bad in order to get it such as stealing, selling drugs on the street.

Some of these WGs are escorting to pay something good for their future such as paying for their own or their children tuition fee which in turn will contribute to society in the future. Some of these WGs are helping to pay the hospital bill for their children, close or extended families. Being a WG is helping them to pick up the bill.

Offline smiths

That is a very good point. Making prostitution is not illegal will even help the law enforcer to track traffickers, as the punters might tip off the law enforcers in case they see evidence of traffickers or coercion.

I will always argue that prostitution (non- coercive one) is good for society. Just to name some benefits:

Punters are helping WGs to keep maintaining WG’s lifestyle, so they could keep buying new gadgets, such as iPhones, iPads in the markets so often they want to. Without disposable income gained from working as a WG they might do something bad in order to get it such as stealing, selling drugs on the street.

Some of these WGs are escorting to pay something good for their future such as paying for their own or their children tuition fee which in turn will contribute to society in the future. Some of these WGs are helping to pay the hospital bill for their children, close or extended families. Being a WG is helping them to pick up the bill.

What that idiot Harriet Harridan and her ilk didnt consider or probably did but didnt care about was under her coercion law i could get done for stepping forward and reporting to the police that i thought a woman was being trafficked/coerced and its proved she was being coerced. So its not in a punters interests to get involved in case he gets done.

What that means for me in reality is if i suspected a woman had been trafficked and/or was being coerced/forced which thankfully i have never yet suspected, i could only make an anonymous tip-off.

HH and her femi-nazis sisters are putting women in serious danger with their crusade against prostitution. They simply dont care that what they want to see, prostitution eliminated is impossible, it was ALWAYS find a way until we become a 24/7 monitored society.

The establishment attitude about prostitution is it isnt good because it gives men an option of still getting the sex he wants but not to settle down, get married, have kids, get a mortgage and a job to pay for it all, thus being a good boy and having lifelong commitments that the state benefits from as well in the way of taxes.
« Last Edit: June 23, 2012, 04:02:13 PM by smiths »

Offline adindas

Prostitution have been there since ages, various attempts have been introduced without success to stop people.

In majority of countries prostitution are already illegal, here is geographical distribution.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_by_country

Is there any evidence that making it illegal will stop people visiting WGs. Even in the most strict countries like Indonesia, the law will not deter people. 

For some punters, making it illegal will not help, so a government need prepare to built a new prisons, prepare to invest money in more policing. I believe for some people you will need to chop their dicks to stop them from punting.

For some WGs. You need to lock them in the cell and stay in the cell for live to stop them from being WGs

Prostitution have been there since ages, various attempts have been introduced without success to stop people.

In majority of countries prostitution are already illegal, here is geographical distribution.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_by_country

Is there any evidence that making it illegal will stop people visiting WGs. Even in the most strict countries like Indonesia, the law will not deter people. 

For some punters, making it illegal will not help, so a government need prepare to built a new prisons, prepare to invest money in more policing. I believe for some people you will need to chop their dicks to stop them from punting.

For some WGs. You need to lock them in the cell and stay in the cell for live to stop them from being WGs

Exactly. Prostitution will continue, regardless of the law.

If "paying for sex" is made illegal, all known parlours would have to be closed...leaving girls to work in the worst places, visited by the worst clients  :diablo:

That's really going to solve the "problems"  :(

Offline smiths

Prostitution have been there since ages, various attempts have been introduced without success to stop people.

In majority of countries prostitution are already illegal, here is geographical distribution.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_by_country

Is there any evidence that making it illegal will stop people visiting WGs. Even in the most strict countries like Indonesia, the law will not deter people. 

For some punters, making it illegal will not help, so a government need prepare to built a new prisons, prepare to invest money in more policing. I believe for some people you will need to chop their dicks to stop them from punting.

For some WGs. You need to lock them in the cell and stay in the cell for live to stop them from being WGs

All that is needed here is to look at what is already illegal in this country yet is allowed to continue. Street prostitution is illegal as is kerb crawling and the police know the where, when, why and who in many cases yet it continues to exist. They have CCTV to track offenders but it still goes on.

In your link for Europe it mentions Belgium and that they allow brothels to operate despite being illegal, well of course that is the case here dependent on the attitude of the top cops in any given area. Some brothels like Sandys and HOD have been going for years.

What this shows is laws can be passed till the cows come home but that doesnt mean they will be enforced, so there is a big discrepancy between the letter of the law and the discretion a top cop has. This discrepancy really benefits some punters in tolerance areas.

It would be vastly expensive to police a no prostitution law both in money terms and manpower, far beyond the budgets forces have now, is the government going to fund such a thing, i think not, at least in the foreseeable future.


Offline PNE.Punter

All that is needed here is to look at what is already illegal in this country yet is allowed to continue. Street prostitution is illegal as is kerb crawling and the police know the where, when, why and who in many cases yet it continues to exist. They have CCTV to track offenders but it still goes on.

In your link for Europe it mentions Belgium and that they allow brothels to operate despite being illegal, well of course that is the case here dependent on the attitude of the top cops in any given area. Some brothels like Sandys and HOD have been going for years.

What this shows is laws can be passed till the cows come home but that doesnt mean they will be enforced, so there is a big discrepancy between the letter of the law and the discretion a top cop has. This discrepancy really benefits some punters in tolerance areas.

It would be vastly expensive to police a no prostitution law both in money terms and manpower, far beyond the budgets forces have now, is the government going to fund such a thing, i think not, at least in the foreseeable future.

I hope you are correct but I'm far less certain  :( :(

The biggest threat to prostitution for a generation is what has happened in Sweden and the success that has been claimed there with the criminalizing of the punter in destroying the sex scene. 

Both Ireland and the Scottish parliaments have openly been looking at that model in the last year or so and thats a huge worry.

Its always been down to the local area and in Preston for example one place was tolerated with up to seven girls on a shift while anywhere else that had more than two was closed for some strange reason but if they make the purchase of sex illegal and that if convicted a possible sex offenders register entry then its hasta la vista baby for things as we know it.
Banning reason: Angel posing as punter. Used this account to threaten to out another member to his family and local community because he called his prossie girlfriend a "whore"

Offline Silverado

........but if they make the purchase of sex illegal and that if convicted a possible sex offenders register entry then its hasta la vista baby for things as we know it.

It's never going to happen here. In 2008 to 2010 when they were bringing in the new law (paying for the sexual services of a prostitute subjected to force) there were many people saying that it would be the end of prostitution and that we'd all be in prison by the end of the year. It didn't make a blind bit of difference. I haven't been able to find a single reported case of anyone being convicted in court of the new offence.

None of the prostitution related offences lead to registration on the violent and sex offenders register (ViSOR). That includes trafficking, controlling, brothel-keeping, soliciting etc. Only offences involving children or violence lead to notification.

I really don't worry about what a group of politicians in another country propose. Politicians are always proposing something, just for publicity.

Offline PNE.Punter



I really don't worry about what a group of politicians in another country propose. Politicians are always proposing something, just for publicity.

I just hope you are right but I know that if it is adopted in Ireland and it is shown that it has the same results as it has in Sweden then it could be big problems especially if Labor get back in and that evil cow HH has her way  :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown:
Banning reason: Angel posing as punter. Used this account to threaten to out another member to his family and local community because he called his prossie girlfriend a "whore"

Offline smiths

It's never going to happen here. In 2008 to 2010 when they were bringing in the new law (paying for the sexual services of a prostitute subjected to force) there were many people saying that it would be the end of prostitution and that we'd all be in prison by the end of the year. It didn't make a blind bit of difference. I haven't been able to find a single reported case of anyone being convicted in court of the new offence.

None of the prostitution related offences lead to registration on the violent and sex offenders register (ViSOR). That includes trafficking, controlling, brothel-keeping, soliciting etc. Only offences involving children or violence lead to notification.

I really don't worry about what a group of politicians in another country propose. Politicians are always proposing something, just for publicity.

Spot on, not one conviction located, quite amazing, all bark without any bite, at least so far, HH must be so proud her crusade has been so successful. I admit i was one who thought the police would enforce the law regarding brothels initially in preparation for then nicking punters, it simply never happened and i learnt a massive lesson, passing a law is one thing, the police actually enforcing it is another. I was taking into account that they knew where every advertised brothel was so it wouldnt be that hard to close and prosecute.

I am still mystified why the femi-nazis dont get together as a pressure group and embarrass the police and MPs with brothels in their own areas to ensure the law is enforced and brothels closed. The police are clearly and obviously not doing this dependent on the views presumably of individual top cops in any given area. I find it beyond belief they have this much discretion, but as i punt in brothels carry on as you are please. I know the arguments why but it still doesnt stack up to my mind.

Sandys Superstars has a residents group and a political activist who has complained in writing about it being allowed to operate yet GMP in that area do seemingly nothing, obviously not yet closing it down anyway, yet in the same GMP force a brothel got closed down recently with the police saying we will always look at closing such places down (paraphrasing). Their hypocrisy is staggering but shows how disjointed their views are unlike on say terrorism for example, this is a really enormous advantage to punters in my opinion. ;) 
« Last Edit: June 26, 2012, 05:37:01 PM by smiths »

Offline Sailormack

I just hope you are right but I know that if it is adopted in Ireland and it is shown that it has the same results as it has in Sweden then it could be big problems especially if Labor get back in and that evil cow HH has her way  :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown:

If Labour get back in prostitution will be the least of your worries.

It would make the Greek financial meltdown look like a two quid overdraft  :scare:

Offline smiths

If Labour get back in prostitution will be the least of your worries.

It would make the Greek financial meltdown look like a two quid overdraft  :scare:

Never a truer post posted. With two of the main total incompentents under Brown as PM and Chancellor, really do switch the lights off as we would be totally fucked. Sadly Cameron, Osborne and Clegg are not much better and Cameron is running Brown close in the utter idiot category to my mind.

Offline mh

Never a truer post posted. With two of the main total incompentents under Brown as PM and Chancellor, really do switch the lights off as we would be totally fucked. Sadly Cameron, Osborne and Clegg are not much better and Cameron is running Brown close in the utter idiot category to my mind.

It's a shame for him that Alistair D made a lot of the right decisions and took a load of shit for it - including from his own lord and master GB, but it was all too late - the rug had been pulled out from under (and sold off) years before.

Online jackdaw

On the rare occasions that I bother now I go for the indie option.

And I'll practise saying the phrase "any money was for time and companionship only". Really, even if it became illegal.... I suspect I'd carry on... safe in the knowledge that any cop in the wardrobe would have to be very fast to catch me shagging away nowadays, mores the pity.

Can see the impact starting in Manchester now-a clutch of parlours have been raided for various reasons.
The Wonder Lounge/Buntys has currently gone 'missing'- reasons unclear yet.It make punters very wary & a lot of the best WG's have left parlours & gone Indy & on AW etc. Also Twitter being used a lot more to promote ( very risk imho)
Downside is their rates are invariably higher as well & for a punter is harder to organise. I used to get up to Manch regularly with work & was easy sneak off to call in at Sandys/ TWL/ Hayleys/Toucan  & have a choice of 2-3 girls usually.
not for much longer methinks- 3 of my old 'haunts' have been hit.

Can see the impact starting in Manchester now-a clutch of parlours have been raided for various reasons.
The Wonder Lounge/Buntys has currently gone 'missing'- reasons unclear yet.It make punters very wary & a lot of the best WG's have left parlours & gone Indy & on AW etc. Also Twitter being used a lot more to promote ( very risk imho)
Downside is their rates are invariably higher as well & for a punter is harder to organise. I used to get up to Manch regularly with work & was easy sneak off to call in at Sandys/ TWL/ Hayleys/Toucan  & have a choice of 2-3 girls usually.
not for much longer methinks- 3 of my old 'haunts' have been hit.

TWL/Buntys being closed down is very worrying. Unless its something very specific to those parlours, anywhere else in Manchester area could be next  :diablo:

Agree FF> very worrying...don't know if we'll ever hear the real reasons- but feels like systematic pressure from the local forces?   
Picking them off - though this is the ' biggest' right?

Agree FF> very worrying...don't know if we'll ever hear the real reasons- but feels like systematic pressure from the local forces?   
Picking them off - though this is the ' biggest' right?

Gtr Manchester Police have had a reputation for being leniant towards parlours...and parlours have flourished.  :cool:

Lanca$hire Police are a strange lot...apparently turning a blind eye to a parlour in Preston with several girls working yet raiding Indies who flat/house share FFS  :scare:

They were targeting another parlour in Preston a few months back by parking the plod car outside watching....not apparently doing anything, just sat there....Would you go into a known knocking shop with the Old Bill parked outside watching you?  :thumbsdown:

Offline smiths

Can see the impact starting in Manchester now-a clutch of parlours have been raided for various reasons.
The Wonder Lounge/Buntys has currently gone 'missing'- reasons unclear yet.It make punters very wary & a lot of the best WG's have left parlours & gone Indy & on AW etc. Also Twitter being used a lot more to promote ( very risk imho)
Downside is their rates are invariably higher as well & for a punter is harder to organise. I used to get up to Manch regularly with work & was easy sneak off to call in at Sandys/ TWL/ Hayleys/Toucan  & have a choice of 2-3 girls usually.
not for much longer methinks- 3 of my old 'haunts' have been hit.

What about Sandys then, any action you have heard of against them because as i posted they have or at least had an organised residents campaign against one of their locations?
« Last Edit: June 26, 2012, 11:22:19 PM by smiths »

Offline up_peri_scope

Banning and making prostitution illegal would be a waste of parliament time and money.
Assuming a law went through girls would simply start looking for "boyfriends with benefits" and we all know the benefits would be financial. If that was banned then we have a scenario where a boyfriend can't give his girlfriend a gift, he would no doubt be shagging her....
You can always find legal loopholes, such as here's a phone top-up, supermarket voucher. In the electronic age options are many.
Assuming plod raided and the girl has some supermarket or top-up vouchers what can they do?
The do-gooder brigade should be looking to help our government sort out the mess they made. That would actually be something useful and of some good
I personally don't visit parlours and instead see indies. Hearing what Manchester have done is slightly disturbing. I suspect for the police it will be an initiative they will soon abandon as they know their time is better spent going for soft targets like motorists where they can make far more money for their investment in time!!
Who knows what bright future beckons!! :drinks:

Offline Joe Blob


You can always find legal loopholes, such as here's a phone top-up, supermarket voucher. In the electronic age options are many.

Those loopholes have already been closed. Where legislation against paid sex does exist (eg underage girls), it includes payment in any form, not just cash, and also includes payments made to, and via, third parties.


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