LilyDelphine

[LilyD]

I'm sorry, but why the hell do you think its acceptable to to write stuff like this about girls? How dare you call her trash, a mess, a bitch? What gives you the right??
The way some of the guys on this site talk about girls is an absolute disgrace, you need to go and take a good hard look at yourself and maybe do a little reading on the treatment of sex workers being shipped over from Romania. You have no idea the agony so many girls in this industry have gone through, the circumstances that have lead us to have to deal with low lives like you.
You think because you hold the money you can say whatever you like about us? To call us whores, criticize our bodies, our decisions, speculate and tell lies about our personal lives.
With the exception of a few good eggs, you're a bunch of absolute idiots.

[LilyD]

Oh and I realise that will probably get me blocked from the site, and I will likely be branded "angry prossie" or something equally misogynistic by the admin.

[James999]

Lilyd certainly got pissed off about this thread for some strange reason 

[yorkshire123]

Lilyd certainly got pissed off about this thread for some strange reason 

Yes I noticed that & wondered who had pissed on her chips?

Maybe that River Trent water is a little stronger than she is used to 

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[AnthG]

Source?

Check the deleted posts section.

I think the thing she failed to realize was this is a bait and switcher being talked about, and these are the people who bring down the industry.

[OldAdmin]

I think the thing she failed to realize was this is a bait and switcher being talked about

Maybe she did, she just wanted a banning by slagging myself and posters here off.

[yorkshire123]

Check the deleted posts section.

I think the thing she failed to realize was this is a bait and switcher being talked about, and these are the people who bring down the industry.

And I hope she hangs her head in shame, this forum has given her some good exposure even the odd tout & that little outburst shows exactly what she really thinks of the vast majority of its membership 

[James999]

A lot of pro$$ies hate men simply because they have to rely on them 

For some their only contribution to their life / society is the ability to lay still for a few minutes 

[themademan2]

Lilyd certainly got pissed off about this thread for some strange reason 

never liked the bitch... Especially after being clocked giving me shite with her sidekick Eva when they were diamonds writing fictitious things about me, just cos I pointed out that owo had stopped.  She was soon sucking bare cock for the $$$$$$$$$$$$ 

She was WELL overdue a second banning

[OldAdmin]

I've been told that she is "retiring", which I guess explains the outburst and change in personality - slagging off everyone she couldn't before, no reputation or persona to protect anymore.

[Shyandrew2001]

Banning been coming for a long time in my opinion. Came on here and made me several promises about sorting me out with a booking after I left her a neutral review and never went through with any of it. Pretty sure she already left the North East and "retired" once so far.

[OldAdmin]

We've seen this before, they show their true colours when they've 'retired'. Sooner or later she will start making threats just like Porsha did. Get her malicious fanboys to threaten me as well.

She's already throwing allegations against UKP members now, as well as alleging Diamonds agency employs underage girls.

[daviemac]

We've seen this before, they show their true colours when they've 'retired'. Sooner or later she will start making threats just like Porsha did. Get her malicious fanboys to threaten me as well.

She's already throwing allegations against UKP members now, as well as alleging Diamonds agency employs underage girls.

She's gone gay now as well.

[AnthG]

She has posted this on AW her profile now.

This is mainly aimed at a certain forum site that has been making sex workers lives miserable for years now. Lets shake things up a little shall we? Its about time someone called out the misogynists, the liars and the down right vile human beings that seem to think they are entitled to behave however they wish towards the girls they pay for sex. Do you think, that as little girls, we sat in class dreaming of being sex workers? Do you think it is ever an easy decision to allow a stranger into your house, into your bed? To let them kiss you, and touch you and be inside your body? Do you think most of us would be doing this unless we were desperate to make ends meet, we have no choice or we have been forced into it?
Did you know that 80% of sex workers have been r aped or sexually abused at some point in their life?

I'm not asking you to feel sorry for sex workers. I'm also not saying that there are not plenty of girls out there who are working is this industry completely through choice. The problem is, its often not the girls that are here through choice that receive abuse from you lot online. I realise I have been "lucky" with the response I have had online. There are those of you who will claim that was it not for the forum, I wouldn't have had the volume of bookings I have had. This does not account for the fact that I actively avoid members of the site, and often will not see a client again if I find out he is a member. Indeed, I have been lucky, as the most abuse I have received is being called stuck up for requesting not to be called a whore, ugly, out of shape, disappointing.

A particular favourite of mine is when members enjoyed a nice discussion about whether or not I had been sexually assaulted whilst working for diamonds, and lots of you offered your opinions as to whether this was true or not. I suppose, for some reason, you believed that the fact I work in the sex industry made it fine to plaster an incredibly personal, traumatic event all over the internet. I guess you think that being a sex worker makes my body public property, that I lost the right to decide what is personal and what is yours.

I have received threats from adultwork users, that if I refuse bookings they will take to the site to write me a negative review. In the real world this is known as blackmail, but for some reason some members seem to think that this is exactly how the sex industry should work. One particular example of this stands out, in which themademan threatened to write a negative review about a young escort unless she agreed to do bareback with him. It troubles me that this man is help us as a respected contributor, despite his repeated nastiness, foul attitude towards girls and abusive e behavior during bookings.

The worst part is, girls are terrified to speak out against this, for fear that they will no longer get bookings, and of the abus e they will receive as a result.

FUCK THAT .

We are supposed to be adults, so why are people still resorting to pathetic insults, talking about women as if they are little more than a piece of meat to stick your dick in? We all want an industry that is safe and fair to both the workers and the clients, and yet we can't even find a way to be civil to each other? When a girl is being controlled by a pimp, and you deal with this by throwing further abus e in her direction, what exactly are you trying to achieve? You contribute to the exploitation n of the vulnerable every time you do this. You are barely better than the scum that causes the initial problem.

We have agencies taking on under age girls (despite repeatedly reminding them, ID was never once checked by diamonds), girls being forced to work alone in houses for fear of laws that are there "to protect them", agencies outing their own girls in order to better control them. I have even read accounts of clients turning up, realising a girl is being controlled by a pim p or using substance s and still proceeding to have sex with her. What kind of man takes ad vantage of someone when they are in this position? Some would view this as rap e. And then you have the audacity to fling mud at girls who are not jumping with joy to see you.

I understand clients need a way to find honest information about what to expect from a booking . What I can not understand is why this information has to be presented in such a vile way, allowing men to bully young girls who's circumstances they do not have a clue about. As I have said so many times, we need to stop treating each other as prossies and punters, and remember that all of us are human.

I am over the moon to be washing my hands of this work. If it wasn't for the site, the past year would not have been any where near as traumatic as it has been. Those who continue to abus e women should be ashamed of yourselves, I am ashamed to admit that I have had anything to do with you.

Take care girls, don't let the bastards bring you down.
Lily
xox

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She has completely flipped her lid it seems.

Plus, what is she talking about with this

Do you think most of us would be doing this unless we were desperate to make ends meet, we have no choice or we have been for ced into it?

She was a university student at one of the two big Newcastle universities. Nobody forced her and she was not desperate. This is why students get student loans. If she was finding it too difficult to get by on the student loan, she could have worked in Mcdonalds. I went to university and never resorted to prostitution to survive. I just made do with what I had. Students are meant to be poor.

[OldAdmin]

I came to decision she is hiding a nasty personality from this single response (highlighted in red) she gave a month ago:

I received a text off lily today, even though I didn't have a booking and have never seen Lily. Went like this.

Hey you, just confirming our booking at 4, can't wait lils xo.
My reply. I haven't made a booking for 4 and I'm presuming you have texted the wrong number as any booking I did make you cancelled.
Her. Ah sorry texted the wrong Andrew there! No need for the sass though mate get over it.
Me. Be careful who you text then.
Her. Be careful who you fuck with
Me. I am that's why I never bothered with you again.

Nice girl this Lily, will happily make an idle threat. And why she has my number saved after 6 months of my original contact with her and subsequent fucking me around I do not know.

[Tiger63]

Is this the same Lilyd that is so admired up here that grown men were nearly crying over when she left for Nottingham, or have I got the wrong end of the stick

[AnthG]

Is this the same Lilyd that is so admired up here that grown men were nearly crying over when she left for Nottingham, or have I got the wrong end of the stick

Yes it is.

Thinking of this more, she is making such a song and dance about how much he hates this forum. But the thing is when she was here in Newcastle she actually joined other punting forums, made about two posts on them and just did not ever view them afterwards and never went back to them at all. Plus she refused to join the agency forum she worked at.

But this forum - that she now claims to hate, she would log on multiple times per day. She would post, reply to PMs and all sorts. She was one of the most frequent people online on the forum for the entire time she was here (I know this as I had her in my buddys list so could see how often she was online).

And now she claims she hates the forum. Contradiction much.

It seems she has got everything she wanted from the forum, its really helped her business, and now she is retiring she is just biting that hand that fed her.

Pretty ungrateful behavior if you ask me.

If she hated the forum so much she should have avoided it and not posted or viewed it or logged on. There are forums that I hate. And what I do is, I don't read them at all.

My honest advice to her is (as she will be reading this) she should join UKescorting and forget about UKpunting.

[sesalovdarlo]

Wow didn't realise this thread grew since this morning. Maybe I should elaborate a tad more on the original post of mine.

if you check recent posts of mine on Romanian WG you will see I am one of many many victims of there terrible bait and switch, lying, stealing tactics (yep left my wallet in a flat once and she refused to answer door when I returned for it long story), so this was a thread slating a typical bait and switch Romanian scum bag as someone earlier has just clarified it is a B&S.

But I also wanted to point out that they have stole the wrong pic really lol

As for lilly d I think admin is right about her hidden personality, why the hell is she loitering on here if she has retired? So to any other prozzys that I have may offended.

[Rod trotter]

Wow didn't realise this thread grew since this morning. Maybe I should elaborate a tad more on the original post of mine.

if you check recent posts of mine on Romanian WG you will see I am one of many many victims of there terrible bait and switch, lying, stealing tactics (yep left my wallet in a flat once and she refused to answer door when I returned for it long story), so this was a thread slating a typical bait and switch Romanian scum bag as someone earlier has just clarified it is a B&S.

But I also wanted to point out that they have stole the wrong pic really lol

As for lilly d I think admin is right about her hidden personality, why the hell is she loitering on here if she has retired? So to any other prozzys that I have may offended.

hidden persona have many, time for me to step back from UKE , i liked this place better tbh, ive a feeling i'm getting suckered in else where to all the fluffiness etc, when in truth it can go tits up with a hissy fit and i for one cant be arsed with all the shit that goes on behind backs of this hobby 

[yorkshire123]

My honest advice to her is (as she will be reading this) she should join UKescorting and forget about UKpunting.

Would you really want her on there Anth after she has shown her true colours? I for one would find it very difficult to engage with her after reading what she really thought about punters.

[cockneybstrd]

She was a university student at one of the two big Newcastle universities. Nobody forced her and she was not desperate. This is why students get student loans. If she was finding it too difficult to get by on the student loan, she could have worked in Mcdonalds. I went to university and never resorted to prostitution to survive. I just made do with what I had. Students are meant to be poor.

This made me laugh Anth... i am sure you could have earnt a few quid doing it.....

on a side note it seems her real issue is with the agency she worked for rather than anyone else

[sesalovdarlo]

She can ruin reputation by having out bursts on here. take josasha from boro. after an outbreak on here she packed up and fucked of to Brighton or somewhere the following week

[AnthG]

She can ruin reputation by having out bursts on here.

I still remember the last time (of multiple times) she flipped her lid over comments made on the forum. And this time it was at me for saying she was being cruel for going off with Tori and leaving Eva. This was on the presumption she really was gay and in a relationship with Eva. Which she was then saying "on a friday night I was drunk and got it on with Tori, and now I am with her now and so forth.

i.e this is the post she flipped.

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=60280.msg790130#msg790130

This was pretty unexpected to be honest as she just took immense offence at something that was pretty reasonable in my eyes to conclude.

I also remember Tori just brushed everything off < That is how a real professional should behave!

And now its said this about her.

She's gone gay now as well.

So will say, by her own flipping her lid she said she is not gay, its all just advertising. I bet this whole thing now is just a means to get her talked about and get further advertising out of the forum that she is soon to be retiring so everyone books her.

My strong advice to her is, people don't want to book Bipolars, they want to book fun easy going girls.

[themademan2]

Just had a PM to let me know that LilyD was talking shite about me. Nice read baby on your AW profile

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1. I don't disclose my ID to lasses before I punt .

2. My AW adultwork is undetected and dissociated from Ukpunting ID Themademan2

3. I don't message the lasses on here for sorting sessions out either.

4. 68 reviews under my belt, only a fraction of the lasses I book get reviewed as there are multiple return visits which I don't review seperately. I'm sure all the ladies welcome me back with open arms that I wish to see again 

So stop talking shite LilyD 'themademan2 threatened to do negative review if bare back wasn't done with a escort that was scared...' The above points exonerate me

Next you will say it was actually me that abused you 

[vw]

Just had a PM to let me know that LilyD was talking shite about me. Nice read baby.

To another punter or online, either way well out of order who ever she thinks she is!

[daviemac]

So will say, by her own flipping her lid she said she is not gay, its all just advertising. I bet this whole thing now is just a means to get her talked about and get further advertising out of the forum that she is soon to be retiring so everyone books her.

My strong advice to her is, people don't want to book Bipolars, they want to book fun easy going girls.

Don't know who she's trying to get to book her, she's advertising herself as gay.   

Orientation:     Gay

[sesalovdarlo]

Just sent her a message on awork to make her understand the error of her ways and that she has completely misunderstood the purpose of the original thread which was for us all to laugh at bait and switch stolen photo with tampon.

Hello lilly

I would just like to point out that I was the author of the thread that you have made such a fuss over. You have completely misunderstood the purpose of the post and have made a fool of your self for no reason which is such a shame.

As you may know Romanian have a notorious reputation for bait and switch, steeling photos from other innocent bystanders (I have seen photos stolen from local people on Facebook after a reverse image search.) yes some times this is carried out by pimps, however regardless of the bait and switch the girls try every single trick in the book to squeeze every last penny my out of you. It is essentially scamming the lengths they will go through.

On your awork profile you have made some outrages claims which does show your true colours! You are making a hideous claim that 80% of sex workers were abused as a child (I'd hate to see your references for your dissertation). WOW!? Really!??

You have then made a further statement that  WE sex workers make the choice to sell sex out of desperation to make ends meat. but throughout your punting career you make a song and dance that you love escorting because you love sex, meeting new people bla bla bla.

The whole purpose of the post was to bring out of the open what someone (a pimp in this case?) has gone through to attempt a bait and switch, however I think in this case they chose the wrong set of images to steal which was laughable until your outburst!

you a misconception that all ukpunting forum members degrade sex workers! what differentiates a ukpunting member from any other punter? you disassociate yourself from uk punting members and don't take appointments from them? Yet you have 19 positive reviews and you constantly loiter on the forum.

You have made a huge fuss over nothing and spoilt the fun of my post and made a huge ass of your self all because you have the it fixed in your head that all ukpunting members are assholes.

Merry Christmas

 

[vw]

On your awork profile you have made some outrages claims which does show your true colours! You are making a hideous claim that 80% of sex workers were abused as a child (I'd hate to see your references for your dissertation). WOW!? Really!??

To be fair she is quoting our Prime Minister on that one, when he was in fact quoting the figures for street hookers in the 90's rather than current information.

So guilty of quoting an idiot on that one.  Sorry to White Knight a point but really pissed me off the first time Cameron said it.

[greychap]

I am not surprised by this at all!!

I said a couple of times before where so many was saying how much she loves the job and her punters, I said she does not she just did what she did for a short while and put on a act to make as much as possible and it worked.

She went into retirement and said she did not like the job but then came out of it quickly for a short while because she obviously needed the money and some punters were saying she just loves the cum that is naïve to think that. She was a young girl who wanted/needed money and played the game/fantasy when she needed to.

The thing is without this site I doubt she would have got so popular but with that you will also get the criticism too and that is the problem most girls cant handle.

I think its a good thing she has retired now as its obvious its mentally got to her and her true feelings have surfaced but its not a shock to me one bit.

[greychap]

She has posted this on AW her profile now.

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She has completely flipped her lid it seems.

Plus, what is she talking about with this

She was a university student at one of the two big Newcastle universities. Nobody forced her and she was not desperate. This is why students get student loans. If she was finding it too difficult to get by on the student loan, she could have worked in Mcdonalds. I went to university and never resorted to prostitution to survive. I just made do with what I had. Students are meant to be poor.

Also I see she has finally mentioned what quite a few of us already know that Amour/Stacey outed her own girls to get control over them...fucking disgusting and evil control over girls.

[Rod trotter]

and a lesson to us all not to fanboy,trust, get close, think their special.

im not getting suckered into any fucker, my guard is up after this wee outburst 

[AnthG]

Also I see she has finally mentioned what quite a few of us already know that Amour/Stacey outed her own girls to get control over them...fucking disgusting and evil control over girls.

She hasn't actually named who it was though. This is what she has said

agencies outing their own girls in order to better control them

I stand by the comments that she is possibly bipolar depressed. As this is classic signs of it. Doesn't make her a bad person for being bipolar. But she should stay away from the internet when she is manic like this.

[vw]

Is this a fake picture she put on her AW ?  Scary 

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[greychap]

and a lesson to us all not to fanboy,trust, get close, think their special.

im not getting suckered into any fucker, my guard is up after this wee outburst 

I don't get why anyone actually believed she loved the job especially with ugly or old blokes swallowing there come etc its a bit naïve to think she is a nymph for all blokes who she comes in to contact with just like where so many are doing lesbo duos and pretending there always getting it on outside of work, they just think a lot of us are thick as shit...well some are

[OldAdmin]

Also I see she has finally mentioned what quite a few of us already know that Amour/Stacey outed her own girls to get control over them...fucking disgusting and evil control over girls.

To be fair she didn't actually say Amour, but she's put all of them under suspicion, and they wouldn't appreciate that.

[James999]

That looks likr the sort of picture the authorities use to warn people off substance abuse 

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[greychap]

She hasn't actually named who it was though. This is what she has said

I stand by the comments that she is possibly bipolar depressed. As this is classic signs of it. Doesn't make her a bad person for being bipolar. But she should stay away from the internet when she is manic like this.

Quite a few of us already know what that agency owner has done to people. A lot of her girls have walked and quite a few fucking hate her plus some are weary to stand up to her especially she is known for threats and outing and causing trouble. Its a fact Anth mate. Not everybody will say it on here because she knows who they are and people don't want to get involved as they have lots to lose!

[vw]

Quite a few of us already know what that agency owner has done to people. A lot of her girls have walked and quite a few fucking hate her plus some are weary to stand up to her especially she is known for threats and outing and causing trouble. Its a fact Anth mate. Not everybody will say it on here because she knows who they are and people don't want to get involved as they have lots to lose!

I understand that loads of people have stuff to lose, at least the knights are quiet today or having horse trouble.

[greychap]

To be fair she didn't actually say Amour, but she's put all of them under suspicion, and they wouldn't appreciate that.

Yes I know, but some of us already knew before about all this so not a surprise, she said outing to control there girls another agency would not be controlling there girls if they were not working there. It was Amour girls that were outed and most of the popular ones were independent and doing far less work with Amour, she was losing lots because of her behaviour and because they wanted to eventually be fully indie.

[AnthG]

Quite a few of us already know what that agency owner has done to people. A lot of her girls have walked and quite a few fucking hate her plus some are weary to stand up to her especially she is known for threats and outing and causing trouble. Its a fact Anth mate. Not everybody will say it on here because she knows who they are and people don't want to get involved as they have lots to lose!

But the issue is, she has made the accusation, but not said who it is towards.

She has made another accusation about Diamonds employing under age girls, and specifically named 'Diamonds' inside the accusation. But then made this generic comment after it with no names. Which is odd to be honest if it was another agency she had first had experience of. she would have just said 'Amour' and not been generic about it all if this is who it was she was meaning.

Here is her exact paragraph

We have agencies taking on under age girls (despite repeatedly reminding them, ID was never once checked by diamonds), girls being forced to work alone in houses for fear of laws that are there "to protect them", agencies outing their own girls in order to better control them. I have even read accounts of clients turning up, realising a girl is being controlled by a pimp or using substances and still proceeding to have sex with her. What kind of man takes advantage of someone when they are in this position? Some would view this as rape. And then you have the audacity to fling mud at girls who are not jumping with joy to see you.

Plus in defense of Diamonds, the underage comment is stupid. As likely they didn't check her ID as it is blimmin obvious she is over 18. When I go to Asda to buy alcohol they just serve it to me without asking for ID as its obvious I am over 18 too. She is just ranting and raving for no reason.

She is talking about generic things, plus the laws of the land in one in a flat or its a brothel, and then making all sorts of rantings and ravings. So from this I don't think we should say she is talking about one agency until she gives more info, given the seriousness of the allegations she is making.

Plus like I say, the Diamonds comment about underage girls just because they never got round to looking at her ID from her was stupid and also total over exaggerated.

[greychap]

I understand that loads of people have stuff to lose, at least the knights are quiet today or having horse trouble.

Most do go quiet they might feel a bit silly, same what happened to me when I had threats and car smashed up and other stuff kept coming out a lot could not say anything so they just ignored the truth and did not comment on it. Its the way it is and sometimes people can be naïve to the truth.

[vw]

Most do go quiet they might feel a bit silly, same what happened to me when I had threats and car smashed up and other stuff kept coming out a lot could not say anything so they just ignored the truth and did not comment on it. Its the way it is and sometimes people can be naïve to the truth.

“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.” ― Edmund Burke

[greychap]

But the issue is, she has made the accusation, but not said who it is towards.

She has made another accusation about Diamonds employing under age girls, and specifically said Diamonds inside the accusation. But then made this generic comment after it with no names.

Here is her exact paragraph

Plus in defense of Diamonds, the underage comment is stupid. As likely they didn't check her ID as it is blimmin obvious she is over 18. When I go to Asda to buy alcohol they just serve it to me without asking for ID as its obvious I am over 18 too. She is just ranting and raving for no reason.

She is talking about generic things, plus the laws of the land in one in a flat or its a brothel, and then making all sorts of rantings and ravings. So from this I don't think we should say she is talking about one agency until she gives more info, given the seriousness of the allegations she is making.

Plus like I say, the Diamonds comment about underage girls just because they never got round to looking at her ID from her was stupid and also total over exaggerated.

Its obvious if agencies are not taking i.d off girls joining then there not doing there job and of course they could take on a underage girl so if Diamonds don't take i.d or any agency there idiots and obviously don't give a shit.

Saafe seems to give advice for girls joining agencies never to give out any i.d which is absolutely ridiculous because you leave yourself to thiefs running off with money, stealing off punters and being under age. Of course I see the point of a dodgy pimp that has a girls details could out her as it does happen but if you don't you don't protect your punters or yourself if a girl under age... a very tricky situation.

[greychap]

“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.” ― Edmund Burke

 

[vw]

A very tricky situation.

Easy solution, don't use pimps Shop Local/Buy Independent.

[themademan2]

Also I see she has finally mentioned what quite a few of us already know that Amour/Stacey outed her own girls to get control over them...fucking disgusting and evil control over girls.

hope the amour girls are reading this. I told a couple of the lasses it was Stacey that outed them. They were having non of it. I know your reading this... Now you realise who actually outed you?!?!

[greychap]

Easy solution, don't use pimps Shop Local/Buy Independent.

I think a lot in North Easy only use them cos there cheap and cheaper then a lot of indies plus they are open very late and answering the phones unlike some indies where you cant always get hold of them

[greychap]

hope the amour girls are reading this. I told a couple of the lasses it was Stacey that outed them. They were having non of it. I know your reading this... Now you realise who actually outed you?!?!

Mate some of them already knew, remember she has there details and you an me both know what can happen, I don't blame girls for not doing much, but it should be a warning to girls to be careful especially new ones that start up and don't know what goes on in this industry.

[themademan2]

To be fair she didn't actually say Amour, but she's put all of them under suspicion, and they wouldn't appreciate that.

the only girls that were outed in mass were amour lasses. She didn't need to spell it out.

[vw]

I think a lot in North Easy only use them cos there cheap and cheaper then a lot of indies plus they are open very late and answering the phones unlike some indies where you cant always get hold of them

Don't think many of the agency girls have tried the indie route, they may surprise themselves, I punt in 4 regions lucky to live on the crossroads the NE is very different.  Sounds like Michelle Indi should give classes in the NE if she comes on how to do it properly.

Maybe that's why no agency girls are in UKE, the pimps don't want them getting tips !