Police want to ban off street prostitution.

[sam1]

Now I see Nottinghamshire police want to start arresting punters for approaching girls in private apartments. Off street prostitution has decreased by 80per cent and now they want to start on off street. They call for a law change to make off street prostitution illegal but are unable to enforce real laws already in place. Brilliant at catching you doing 35 in a 30 limit but vandalise a street of cars or break into a few houses and your ok. Let the girls work if tbey want and let men pay to fuck them. Concentrate on real crime and people trafficked for fucking. Go after the the men who target kids to fuck whatever nationality they are.

[berksboy]

         Very well put .

[smiths]

Now I see Nottinghamshire police want to start arresting punters for approaching girls in private apartments. Off street prostitution has decreased by 80per cent and now they want to start on off street. They call for a law change to make off street prostitution illegal but are unable to enforce real laws already in place. Brilliant at catching you doing 35 in a 30 limit but vandalise a street of cars or break into a few houses and your ok. Let the girls work if tbey want and let men pay to fuck them. Concentrate on real crime and people trafficked for fucking. Go after the the men who target kids to fuck whatever nationality they are.

Spot on, I note it was a Sergeant who leads the vice unit or similar who called for this, yet if on-street prostitution has decreased by 80% and is already illegal that leaves 20% which still remains so he should be doing his job and getting that percentage down in my view and as you say catching real scum who traffic etc.

[DannyJames]

I was just going to post about this.

Here is a link to the BBC news article.

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[G.Raff]

I was just going to post about this.

Here is a link to the BBC news article.

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Same here, was going to post this link.
From the article:

".... If somebody goes into a brothel to purchase sex, it is possible he isn't committing any offence at all.
"That's wrong and we have to be able to do something about it."

What authority does this officer have to pass judgements, right or wrong?
The Police is there ONLY to enforce the Law and not pass moral judgements. 

If only they would be as vigorous at catching real criminals...

[Blackpool Rock]

Agreed the police should target the people behind girls who are forced / trafficked etc whether on or off street but an Indi who chooses to work in her own flat or parlour is surely a good thing vs a street walker as people living in and around the area don't have to see it or get approached by kerb crawlers.
Agree with the comment about nicking people for doing 35 in a 30 and unfortunately it's easier to put up cameras and nick normally law abiding people than deal with the hard core real problems.
Having been assaulted once and had a car broken into I got what seems to be the normal response of "There's not a lot we can do" but swear in public and the police nick you for disorder 
I've spoken to quite a few people about this sort of thing over the years and it seems to me that people are becoming increasingly disillusioned with the effectiveness of the police to solve actual crime but target the easy collar to meet targets

[yorkshire123]

I always wonder about these moral crusading coppers, are they really that interested in the girls welfare or are they in the pocket of some pimp thus target rival set ups?

[cueball]

I always wonder about these moral crusading coppers, are they really that interested in the girls welfare or are they in the pocket of some pimp thus target rival set ups?

Or think of it another way, nobody lectures more than an ex smoker

(Not directed at you y123 )

[dboy74]

Same here, was going to post this link.
From the article:

".... If somebody goes into a brothel to purchase sex, it is possible he isn't committing any offence at all.
"That's wrong and we have to be able to do something about it."

What authority does this officer have to pass judgements, right or wrong?
The Police is there ONLY to enforce the Law and not pass moral judgements. 

If only they would be as vigorous at catching real criminals...

+1

[smiths]

I always wonder about these moral crusading coppers, are they really that interested in the girls welfare or are they in the pocket of some pimp thus target rival set ups?

Some are zealots like Kevin Hyland who was often interviewed after conducting raids in London saying prostitution IS linked to trafficking, now the trafficking tsar. A right miserable cunt.

It does make me chuckle when this copper says a guy going into a brothel isn't necessarily breaking the law and that's wrong, yet his police force is allowing the brothel, an illegal business to operate in the first place, rank hypocrite.

[English Annabelle]

I always thought crime had to have a victim or affect the public ? so who is the victim and how are girls behind closed doors affecting the public ? this is absolutely wrong, all they are going to do is make girls reluctant to call them for help should they ever need them

[smiths]

I always thought crime had to have a victim or affect the public ? so who is the victim and how are girls behind closed doors affecting the public ? this is absolutely wrong, all they are going to do is make girls reluctant to call them for help should they ever need them

People like this copper and the femi-nazis say WGs are ALL victims and us nasty punters the criminals, bollocks of course.

[G.Raff]

..WGs are ALL victims and us nasty punters the criminals

..it's the other way round 

[tazz]

Cant see why the police should be allowed to influence the Home Office or have any say in what laws are made. When i lived in Nottingham in the 90s there were tons of prossies on the streets just north of the city center and pimps hanging around in the background.

[Lt Shaffer]

Police Officer : " Excuse me sir, are you entering this modern, serviced apartment block in order to pay a young lady for sexual services?"

Me : " No officer.  I'm paying a young lady for her time and companionship and apparently she's highly intelligent and going through law school so it should prove to be a most interesting conversation. "

[AnthG]

From the article:

".... If somebody goes into a brothel to purchase sex, it is possible he isn't committing any offence at all.
"That's wrong and we have to be able to do something about it."

And yet if someone sets up and runs a brothel. They are acting illegally. And yet how many of the Nottingham brothels has this police Sgt Neil Radford, the head of Nottingham's prostitution task force actually raided?......None?...Then he should shut up then!.

[Jimmyredcab]

If this tosspot is serious then he has the power to close down the brothels in his area ----------- he does not have the power to arrest punters who visit those brothels ------ unless the current laws are changed which is unlikely under a Tory government.

[vt]

When it comes to dealing with prostitution, I guess he thinks a polite middle aged punter visiting a willing prossie for a bit of consensual fun would be an easier nick than a violent EE gang of thugs who are importing and moving girls around the country against their will and pocketing most of their earnings!! 

He needs to get some balls and get out there and deal with the real problems that this country has created with it's archaic Prostitution laws that criminalise girls organising themselves to work together and force a section of the market underground into the hands of shady characters when it could be properly managed and supervised.

[mf_1101]

It's a dangerous precedent when the Police are advising the lawmakers on what should and should not be law.

Watching Traffic Cop show and I see a highly sophisticated police operation and they bust a guy for having a few spliffs. The Police being interviewed says "people smarter than me have said this is illegal and we're enforcing it". Just a pathetic waste of time/resources and ultimately my taxpayers money. This society has so much stigma about prostitution and drugs, where the exploitation tends to happen because everything is forced behind closed doors. Yet every weekend Police and emergency services/NHS have a huge task to handle drunks in the street.

Too many double standards, If Lawmakers want to keep these things Illegal then they should go all the way, ban smoking, Alcohol, foods with too much fat, sugar...etc, difference is there ain't a Prostitution Ltd or a Cannabis Inc who pay huge amounts in tax, and even more on marketing campaigns. Really is pathetic to see these sorts trying to win favour with their wives and sisters and potentially victimize 100's of indies who will be forced into dealing with criminals as punters will go underground...not to mention the punters who will have their lives ruined for seeking consensual sex.

[anonymous1]

To be honest instead of trying to get it banned they should try and make it safer for the girls and the punters. It works in Amsterdam with the red light district and I don't see what's so wrong with it as long as they're not being forced into it.

[SirFrank]

Like all govt agencies (eg the environment agency) the police will always target the soft touch because it makes for an easy life. The whole piece sounds dubious to me anyway. I'm not sure what law would have been broken in such situations - is independent girl working out of a private apartment

[vw]

Everything that is wrong with prostitution is illegal anyway, why does this bellend need another law.  by all means go after the forced victims, go after the violent, go after the thieves and go after blackmailing cunts like McFly.

Needs to go back to police school or get laid i think !

[Owwhatanight]

In Nottingham we have more than our share of gun crimes, old ladies being mugged, racial gang crime, burglary, football related crime, city centre piss head trouble, Paedophiles, government officials ripping us off on expenses, city centre boy racers, corruption in high places , domestics and many more.
They never seem to have the time and money to solve these but plenty of time and money for Trafic Speed Cops and Hooker Detectives because there cushy numbers.

Power to the People 

[eyeseebee]

I had my car broken into in a car park in Nottingham in November 2013. I'm still waiting for the police to get back to me with an update of how they are getting on with catching the pond life responsible. Just saying like.

[Taggart]

IMO, it is the usual rhetoric, easy for plod to chase soft, easy-to-catch targets.
What slightly bothers me is the Sgt's reference to 'off-street'. He wants to move into a very dangerous area as surely if he wants to make arrests on stairways and doorsteps, where is the burden of proof?

Are plod going to sit in an unmarked car outside every Nottingham hookers place, with a long lens camera collecting mugshots, collecting car numbers and matching the two?  Are they going to sit in hotel lobbies watching for potential punters? 

Their approach is no more that a waste of police time and a complete mismanagement of priorities. Nottingham has far more serious issues to reslove, and as usual, this is a blurring of the lines between using the worn out excuse of trafficking against women who want to do this work. 

No emphasis on drivers on their phones, smoking with kids in the car, traffic light offences, clamping down on burgulary, etc, just pick an easy job where you can sit on your fat arses......

Sorry plod, the one-size fits all approach doesnt work.

[Hawkwind71]

Can someone explain to me if what we are doing is currently not illegal,  why can a policeman hassle you. OK I understand if she is pimped, trafficked or in a brothel. But if she is on her own in a private apartment, what are the grounds.

I don't get it. I thought the police could not hassle you for legal activities. Isnt that harrassment.

[vw]

Can someone explain to me if what we are doing is currently not illegal,  why can a policeman hassle you. OK I understand if she is pimped, trafficked or in a brothel. But if she is on her own in a private apartment, what are the grounds.

I don't get it. I thought the police could not hassle you for legal activities. Isnt that harrassment.

The police are power hungry cunts, and this piggy is a Prime example and Cameron should skull fuck the fat gay looking cunt.

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[NelsonH]

I was parked in a public car park waiting for a call.

Along comes plod and hassles me demanding to know what I am doing there.

Wouldn't tell him anything and he wouldn't go away.

Eventually I said "go on arrest me then".

Believe me thay can and will hassle you for doing nothing.

[vw]

I was parked in a public car park waiting for a call.

Along comes plod and hassles me demanding to know what I am doing there.

Wouldn't tell him anything and he wouldn't go away.

Eventually I said "go on arrest me then".

Believe me thay can and will hassle you for doing nothing.

Get phone out and record every interaction with these cunts, they hate it and soon piss off !

[Owwhatanight]

where is fucking Robin Hood when you need him ? Probably paying Maid Marion for a shag 

Because they behave just like the ole Sheriff of Nottighams men.   

[bigmc]

They can have all the laws they like,  how hard is it going to be to enforce it given the resources at their disposal these days

[SirFrank]

They should be tackling real crime like locking up parents for smoking in their cars while their kids are in there or kicking down doors of twitter trolls who take the piss out of Amanda Holden

[smiths]

They can have all the laws they like,  how hard is it going to be to enforce it given the resources at their disposal these days

Extermely hard when you consider they don't enforce the existing laws around brothels, and they are easy nicks compared with nicking punters who punt with so called Indies which this plank wants by the law being changed. Obviously with the street scene and brothels they know exactly where they are located and only have to see punters kerbcrawling and brothels in operation by sending an officer in undercover to get the proof, it would be much more time consuming and costly to scale this down to single Indie locations.

[smiths]

Like all govt agencies (eg the environment agency) the police will always target the soft touch because it makes for an easy life. The whole piece sounds dubious to me anyway. I'm not sure what law would have been broken in such situations - is independent girl working out of a private apartment

The law wouldn't of been broken if the WG is an Indie who works alone of course but this copper wants the law changed so it be an offence to visit an Indie off-street. Such a law most definitely wouldn't make things easy for the police, they would actually have to do some police work to establish the guy visiting the WG was a punter. What I imagine would happen is the police would establish through her advertising on A/W or wherever that she WAS a WG, send a copper in undercover to confirm he got offered sexual services for cash, he would make an excuse to leave before paying, and they would then monitor her premises waiting for other guys to go in, not straightforward if the WG lives in a block with one communal entrance. Once they had established he had gone into her place they would raid it and ideally hope to find the punter naked or with few clothes on and try to get a confession he IS a punter who has just paid the WG for sex and/or ask the WG whats going on. And remember if there were such a law criminalising the punter that would mean the WG isn't breaking the law so she might take the view that she will confirm the punter DID just pay her for sex, on the other hand she might decide to not confirm anything. Then the police would either arrest the punter or not and take this to the CPS and if they agreed there was a case to answer it goes to court. If the punter then pleads not guilty it would come down to whether a jury would accept he went to see a known WG for a chat or lunch/dinner/other reason rather than to pay her for sexual services.

All this isn't going to happen in reality anytime soon as this government has shown no particular interest in criminalising all punters, their focus has been on human trafficking and quite rightly so. The only potential problem is if enough coppers and especially top coppers along with femi-nazis did what this Sergeant has done and try to lobby the government into the need for such a law saying the link between WGs and trafficking is so strong the law needs changing. Like with Harriet Harridans coercion law in 2009/10 the actual facts of trafficking would simply be made up to make the case for the law I would imagine. Hopefully that wont happen.

[george r]

police are there to enforce the law, not makes the laws ?

[smiths]

police are there to enforce the law, not makes the laws ?

They can be and obviously are involved in consultations regarding laws, they cant make any laws of course but can lobby for them as this copper is doing. The top cops in any given area can and do decide how to enforce the existing laws and indeed whether to do so which is why brothels flourish in some areas despite being illegal.

[hungrypunt]

My totally unbiased opinion is every last one of them are C****, they are trained for it

[Hawkwind71]

Think I mentioned it before but one WG once told me that escorting is so rife in the westminster circles there is no chance in hell of criminalising punters in this country.

I realise its no guarantee but recent attempts were blocked and it is not anywhere on the current government agenda...

[yorkshire123]

If street punting is down by 80% as reported it looks like fatso plod is trying to justify & maintain his job by shifting the goal posts.
Cushy number?

As far as I'm aware the police have the powers to bust a brothel already so surely its a non starter?

[English Annabelle]

People like this copper and the femi-nazis say WGs are ALL victims and us nasty punters the criminals, bollocks of course.

would be interesting to know if they ever paid a working girl criminal compensation....oh no, they also fine them even thought the are the victim, hypocrisy at its finest

[Placebo88]

I would think that a large reason for the article making it into the paper is that sex sells ( the paper is selling it as much as the women in the article) ; it is as much titillation for the readers' as a serious article.

I can understand the desire and reasons for trying to eradicate street prostitution as it impacts the community in a range of ways , off street prostitution avoids all of these negative impacts.
  The only serious problems that exist within off street prostitution , and are most likely less prevalent than some believe , are trafficking and abuse by pimps .A greater acceptance of off street prostitution as a legitimate trade , and even the use of social services to make discrete checks on escorts' welfare , would better tackle these issues by opening up access rather than making everything even more secretive and underground - a positive intervention rather than a negative one.

 For me there are much more serious threats to society than off street prostitution which the police should be tackling and to be fair to them this is only the voice of some dull witted looking chap who hasn't even been given a proper uniform, and is probably driven more by his own personal morals and opinions.The obesity epidemic is a much bigger concern to society as a whole but would he be as happy to subscribe to the outlawing of doughnuts or would that be an infringement of his human rights.

Maybe I am being naive , just my own opinions.
 

[KingAlpha]

He's just a sergeant in Nottinghamshire. Not exactly a new policy statement from ACPO or Home Office.

[Hawkwind71]

I would think that a large reason for the article making it into the paper is that sex sells ( the paper is selling it as much as the women in the article) ; it is as much titillation for the readers' as a serious article.

I can understand the desire and reasons for trying to eradicate street prostitution as it impacts the community in a range of ways , off street prostitution avoids all of these negative impacts.
  The only serious problems that exist within off street prostitution , and are most likely less prevalent than some believe , are trafficking and abuse by pimps .A greater acceptance of off street prostitution as a legitimate trade , and even the use of social services to make discrete checks on escorts' welfare , would better tackle these issues by opening up access rather than making everything even more secretive and underground - a positive intervention rather than a negative one.

 For me there are much more serious threats to society than off street prostitution which the police should be tackling and to be fair to them this is only the voice of some dull witted looking chap who hasn't even been given a proper uniform, and is probably driven more by his own personal morals and opinions.The obesity epidemic is a much bigger concern to society as a whole but would he be as happy to subscribe to the outlawing of doughnuts or would that be an infringement of his human rights.

Maybe I am being naive , just my own opinions.
 

Well put placebo. Exactly how I see it. What really pisses me off is that the policeman is making a stink out of something that is totally legal. Like going down the pub and buying a pint and in walks a policeman who is T-total.  'Excuse me sir is that alcohol you're drinking'

Piss off.......

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[Blackpool Rock]

 For me there are much more serious threats to society than off street prostitution which the police should be tackling and to be fair to them this is only the voice of some dull witted looking chap who hasn't even been given a proper uniform, and is probably driven more by his own personal morals and opinions.The obesity epidemic is a much bigger concern to society as a whole but would he be as happy to subscribe to the outlawing of doughnuts or would that be an infringement of his human rights.

Maybe I am being naive , just my own opinions.
 

By the look of him he is partial to the odd doughnut or two and realistically most of us could do with shifting a few Lbs but surely as a Sergeant he still needs to be fit enough to run after criminals?
I'm more concerned about him being a paid public servant and not being in a fit condition to perform his duties, perhaps why he is getting stuck into this as it can be done from a desk or sitting in a car outside a block of flats with fast food on speed dial

[gash bash]

This nottingham plod is going against the current trend of councils and police working together to provide safe areas for prossies to work and get them off the street, like in Newport and Glasgow.

If they do catch a punter in a wg's apartment theres a thiusand excuses you could give for being there unless the scum trap you with an undercover cop acting as a prossie and filming the transaction. Best not to confirm services on arrival...lol.  Better still dont punt in nottingam.

[Horizontal pleasures]

Where is Robin Hood when you need him?

[Jimmyredcab]

I was parked in a public car park waiting for a call.

Along comes plod and hassles me demanding to know what I am doing there.

Wouldn't tell him anything and he wouldn't go away.

Eventually I said "go on arrest me then".

Believe me thay can and will hassle you for doing nothing.

Are you "a person of colour"  ???

If so that would explain it.     

[greychap]

Now I see Nottinghamshire police want to start arresting punters for approaching girls in private apartments. Off street prostitution has decreased by 80per cent and now they want to start on off street. They call for a law change to make off street prostitution illegal but are unable to enforce real laws already in place. Brilliant at catching you doing 35 in a 30 limit but vandalise a street of cars or break into a few houses and your ok. Let the girls work if tbey want and let men pay to fuck them. Concentrate on real crime and people trafficked for fucking. Go after the the men who target kids to fuck whatever nationality they are.

This industry has always been a very very grey area and different police teans or individuals do what they like.

Its not supposed to be illegal for punters to pay for sex but it don't stop some police going after punters and making there life hell if they want to especially if you come in to contact with the wrong policeman.

Heard of it happening a few times when past regular girls got complaints from neighbours and police went it heavy handed even though only 1 girl working in the flat at the time but still felt the need to scare the shit out of the punter while he was in his lunch break keeping him there ages and getting his work details to check him out all because they wanted the girl out of operating in that area.

[greychap]

I always thought crime had to have a victim or affect the public ? so who is the victim and how are girls behind closed doors affecting the public ? this is absolutely wrong, all they are going to do is make girls reluctant to call them for help should they ever need them

Because some neighbours when they find out what is going on in there block want you gone some it boils down to house prices going down if its common knowledge what is going on, seen this happen before where people lost money over reputation plus most people don't want you there anyway.

In all fairness would I want one next door to me...probably not.