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Offline GlasgowGirl

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This looks likely to go through at some point, and the rest of the UK may follow suit (as has happened with other legality issues). Although perhaps not this time because of Politics here at the moment.

http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/parliamentarybusiness/Bills/51148.aspx

How would you feel about this if such a law was passed and it was made illegal to punt, but not to sell sex?

Proposed penalties were outlined in Trish Godman's last bill, they included fines, a letter to wives / families / employers and being put on the sex offender's register  :scare:.

Would you all still punt if it was illegal for you to do so? Would you go abroad instead?

Offline Matium

If that law is passed, girls will have to lower their prices to compensate the guys for the extra risk they're taking on.

There'll be a risk premium reflected in lower prices to make it worthwhile.
« Last Edit: May 26, 2012, 10:54:31 PM by Matium »

Offline GlasgowGirl

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Doesn't work like that in the US. . . . . .

Is having your name put on the Sex Offenders register worthwhile? I think it will be shit for all of us.

Offline Matium

Doesn't work like that in the US. . . . . .

Americans are crazies because they're puritans.

They are really fucked up about sex.

The British are far more pragmatic.

We know what's what.

If girls here are rubbing their hands in anticipation that the law will give them an excuse to raise prices then they will be sadly mistaken. Prices will fall as punters will stay away or save up to go to Thailand etc.

Girls will have to give guys a reason to punt.

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Well I certainly am not "rubbing my hands in glee" at anything.  :rolleyes:

I rather liked Tony Blair's proposal (was it Tony Blair? it was certainly when he was in government, didn't like Tony Blair himself!) to make it legal for 2 WGs and a maid to operate from the same premises, no criminalising punters either. They were talking about passing a law like that at one point, until Julie Bindel and Harriet Harman etc got in on the act! 

Offline Matium

Julie Bindel and Harriet Harman etc got in on the act!

The trouble with feminists is that they view prostitution as an exchange between capitalists (the guys) (boo!) and the girls (the proletariat) (hooray!) and as such the innocent proletariat have to be protected from the evil capitalists.

Never mind the tiny little fact that prostitution is a process where there is a continuous exchange of money from the guys to the girls and that at the end of the night, it is the girls who have money in their handbags.

If you ban the guys (the purchasers of sex) then who exactly are the girls, as the sellers of sex, supposed to sell to?

Offline SteveNova

It wouldn't put me off.  Having said that I don't see this happening in the rest of the UK, so I think it's hypothetical.  I don't think there is a public demand for action on prostitution between consenting adults in private, and it's not in the Coalition's agenda.  Looking at the information in the link, this Bill is in the early stages in Scotland and may get no further.  Assuming it did become law how on earth would it be policed?  Why would private punting be a priority for police and would expensive detective time really be used to establish the kind of evidence necessary for a conviction.  I don't foresee a rush to implement or police this kind of law here.  I think it would be a step too far.   In fact we should be heading in the direction of decriminalizing the adult industry further.   Prohibition never works and just causes more probems!

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I don't think it's as simple as the males being capitalists and the females proletariat (a good percentage of my clients could be described as proletariat, but perhaps that's because I'm in Glasgow  :D), but yes, it does seem to present a problem when the morality crusades and ideology of a few (rad-fems) are forced on the thousands (is it hundreds of thousands?) of people who work in the Sex Industry. They also forget another important thing - there are a large number of gay male sex workers and transgender workers also - it's not just us victims of the patriarchy  :) I work with a gay male sex worker, and know plenty personally.   

What I am against is trafficking (the true definition not the made-up-to-massage(!)-figures definition), and anyone being forced into prostitution by economic means (and I don't mean not being able to afford the latest i-phone, I mean not being able to eat or have a roof over your head). Also the legislation against Sex Workers being permitted to work legally together for reasons of safety. 

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Steve, I think the aim is more to discourage punters and also to change the public perception of those who buy sex, rather than actually enforce much. A deterrent if you will.

All sorts of laws are based upon morality and personal opinion of the few rather than what is actually best for those living it though - it happens all the time. So I don't think it's something to be taken lightly. Someone who works for the Council Trafficking Services told me criminalisation is a matter of 'when' not 'if'.

The fact we have a coalition has a big part to play here though - SNP will probably go against the others on this point just because it's political points scoring, and the fact that most members of the general public are not affected / concerned / involved with the intricacies of prostitution.

Offline SteveNova

Is this one example of how Scotland differs from England - the influence of puritanism being stronger there and making it easier to pass such a law.  I struggle with the concept that I can break the law by purchasing something that is not illegal to sell,  I think it's an idea that started in Scandinavia and called the Swedish Model (no pun intended  :rolleyes: )

Offline softlad

Would you all still punt if it was illegal for you to do so?

Yes.
If I see an indie, without the police raiding the place at the crucial moment when I hand over the donation, how could they prove what had just taken place ?

Would you go abroad instead?

No.

If it goes through, very unlikely, it might make Edinburgh saunas a risky visit, but wont affect the freelance market which is actually bigger. Problem is of course, that police love investigating the sex industry, they are usually blokes. Another reason to vote snp, they always look at any problem intelligently, labour and the others have an ideological approach. Labour mantra is, sex work is bad.  No possibility of labour getting back, so I think we punters are safe for the time being.

Offline Dale

 :rolleyes: The problem with any unregulated industry. Is it is a free for all, and usually the criminal element gets control. With regards to prostitution industry, there is also the OHS angle that needs to be looked at. In Australia it has been legalized for a number of years and this has produced a Prostitution Industry that is safe and clean. The three states (Victoria, New South Wales, and Queensland) that it is legal in have all seen the criminal element largely gone (not totally), and with a legal requirement for Ladies and Men (Yes Male Prostitutes) having medical checkups it is clean.
The feminists (Coalition against Trafficking Women Australia (CATWA)) still exist and still try to get it made illegal but are now on the side lines. In regards to this debate the argument against Prostitution is out weigh by the Argument for in regards to Criminals and health and safety of the workers. The problem is that the media wouldcrucifyy any Pollie that stands up for a Safe, clean and Healthy Prostitute.

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This looks likely to go through at some point, and the rest of the UK may follow suit (as has happened with other legality issues). Although perhaps not this time because of Politics here at the moment.

http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/parliamentarybusiness/Bills/51148.aspx

How would you feel about this if such a law was passed and it was made illegal to punt, but not to sell sex?

Proposed penalties were outlined in Trish Godman's last bill, they included fines, a letter to wives / families / employers and being put on the sex offender's register  :scare:.

Would you all still punt if it was illegal for you to do so? Would you go abroad instead?

Why is it necessary to write  a letter to wives / families / employers ?  Do any other crimes get this?

Anyway, if it became law I would stop punting completely.  The risk would be too high to my family, job etc. 

Online James999

Does it really matter what happens in Scotland, after all there are only about 50 people up there and 45 of them are pissed and the other 5 trying to steal the oil the English found and brought to the surface  :hi:

As for punting abroad, the scots woould have to dust off their passports and travel the England for a legal punt, the only problem I see is the Pro$$ies down here being able to understand them  :coolgirl:

If it was illegal to visit pro$$ies punters would vanish overnight, and the poor pro$$ie would have to find some other cash in hand income to supplement benefits  :(

Offline ParisB

dosent work like that in Norway and Sweden  prices went up when this law was put in place 
ive worked there and off back there in 3 weeks time  client arent scared to visit girls but they
will only visit verified girls with review  and there is a very active fourum with members that swop info 
police will actually sit outside known flat /apartments to deter guys from entering places as well


If that law is passed, girls will have to lower their prices to compensate the guys for the extra risk they're taking on.

There'll be a risk premium reflected in lower prices to make it worthwhile.
« Last Edit: May 28, 2012, 09:36:23 AM by ParisB »


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