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Author Topic: Decriminalise Brothels  (Read 1738 times)

Offline Mansell

This has just come up in the NE Section, but it's of Nationwide interest so I am reposting here.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/108952

To sign all you need is a name, email address and Postcode. So I suggest you use you punting one  :D to stay anonymous. You then have to click a link from a reply to your email to confirm it.

Get signing, hopefully is will change things.

Offline James999

Brothels attract pimps & drug dealers, they are correctly criminalised and should stay so.

Far better for a girl to make her own arrangemets with clients without paying a pimp.

The "for safety" is bollocks as another 7 stone pro$$ie in the property is not as effective security as a 15 stone minder, in fact brothels get targeted by thieves and drug dealers as such magnets for crime  :thumbsdown:
« Last Edit: October 06, 2015, 06:22:29 PM by James999 »

Offline Mansell

Hear what you say James, but not convinced. Anything that is legalised can then legally get rid of the criminals.

It's the 2 or 3 girls in a flat which would be great to see made legal, that just makes so much sense.

Offline comaminion

Nope I signed one of those fucking things to save penguins in Bristol or something

Now I get inundated with change org requests

It's the digital equipment of giving a hobo a pound in Charing cross you never get left alone after
Banning reason: White-knighting

Offline comaminion

Brothels attract pimps & drug dealers, they are correctly criminalised and should stay so.

Far better for a girl to make her own arrangemets with clients without paying a pimp.

The "for safety" is bollocks as another 7 stone pro$$ie in the property is not as effective security as a 15 stone minder, in fact brothels get targeted by thieves and drug dealers as such magnets for crime  :thumbsdown:

+1

Indys over brothels any day

Banning reason: White-knighting

Offline nike

Brothels attract pimps & drug dealers, they are correctly criminalised and should stay so.

Far better for a girl to make her own arrangemets with clients without paying a pimp.

The "for safety" is bollocks as another 7 stone pro$$ie in the property is not as effective security as a 15 stone minder, in fact brothels get targeted by thieves and drug dealers as such magnets for crime  :thumbsdown:

I have to disagree with you James. There are legal brothels, licensed , in the states, Australia and various other countries, which function within the law and are not controlled by criminals. Also the clubs in Manchester and the saunas in Edinburgh have proved that it is possible to run these establishments safely , for the women and the punters.

Offline Ben4454


Cameron might want to de-criminalise some brothels...

Some of the courtesians i've seen on some brothels are pigs
Banning reason: Ignored admin warning after temporary banning and signed up to malicious troll anti-UKP site

Offline G.Raff

Hear what you say James, but not convinced. Anything that is legalised can then legally get rid of the criminals.

It's the 2 or 3 girls in a flat which would be great to see made legal, that just makes so much sense.

+1 
Well said :thumbsup:

Offline smiths

I have to disagree with you James. There are legal brothels, licensed , in the states, Australia and various other countries, which function within the law and are not controlled by criminals. Also the clubs in Manchester and the saunas in Edinburgh have proved that it is possible to run these establishments safely , for the women and the punters.

The OP said decriminalisation in the thread title, that's not the same thing as legalisation of course. With the former the situation we have now would be similar in my view but pimps would have less chance of getting nicked.

With Legalisation would come regulation and the costs of that I have no doubt would passed on too punters. In Australia I read that all covered services are the ones on offer, no OWO officially for example which doesn't suit me.

I don't have a problem with WGs deciding to work together in the same premises and this should be allowed in my view, but not if a pimp is involved. The problem would be how would punters and the police know a pimp wasn't actually involved.

Offline James999

Pro$$ies would not want to work in a legitimate brothel with tax and national insurance involved as well as other regulation fees, business rates insurance etc, not to mention the fact it would probably fuck up their benefits  :crazy:

Offline AnthG

In my opinion I think there should be a distinction between brothels. And just two girls working from the same flat for peace of mind of both.

I think 2 girls in a flat should definitely be legal. And is total commonsense for it to be so.

I also think brothels should be legal. But the problem is when people say brothels should be legal. Everyone always thinks stuff in their head of 20 girls crammed into a flat with a minder looking over them all the time.

But really two girls in a flat is a brothel too. But because people think the above it will never happen. So the arguments need to be split to the government

Offline Jimmyredcab

Pro$$ies would not want to work in a legitimate brothel with tax and national insurance involved as well as other regulation fees, business rates insurance etc, not to mention the fact it would probably fuck up their benefits  :crazy:

Prostitutes want to keep off the radar, they are probably getting their rent paid by benefits, going "legal" would cost them far too much money, it's not going to happen anyway.     :hi:

Offline Mansell

In my opinion I think there should be a distinction between brothels. And just two girls working from the same flat for peace of mind of both.

I think 2 girls in a flat should definitely be legal. And is total commonsense for it to be so.

I also think brothels should be legal. But the problem is when people say brothels should be legal. Everyone always thinks stuff in their head of 20 girls crammed into a flat with a minder looking over them all the time.

But really two girls in a flat is a brothel too. But because people think the above it will never happen. So the arguments need to be split to the government

Totally agree Anth, 2 girls in a flat just makes so much sense to protect the girls which is why so many of them do it. But straight away it's classed by the law as a Brothel. Just seems crazy to me hence wanting to see the law changed. Personally I'm not too bothered about the big brothels either way but agree that they are more attractive to criminals to get involved in.

My comments are based on me mainly seeing AW girls a lot of whom in the NE share premises. Because this is illegal they have problems getting flats as they don;t want to use their real names. They then end up dealing with landlords who are also acting illegally and therefore tend to be more criminally based. Very big generalisation, but my point is that if the flat sharing was not a criminal offence then they could use their real names and rent off normal landlords not having to go anywhere near the criminals. The law just seems stupid.

Offline James999

but my point is that if the flat sharing was not a criminal offence then they could use their real names and rent off normal landlords

No they couldn't, most leases exclude the use of the property for prostitution  :hi:

And seriously even if they didn't no llegal landlord would want his property used as a knocking shop  :crazy:

I appreciate you may have good intentions, but you've listened to to much pro$$ie crap, they don't really want it (Tax etc) and the laws not going to change, and even if it did it wouldn't change things, leases that are set for 999 years and issued decades ago are not going to be re written to accomodate prostitution.

Next time a pro$$ie brings it up steer the conversation around to them registering paying tax NI etc, and see how quickly they lose interest.
« Last Edit: October 10, 2015, 03:00:54 PM by James999 »

Offline AnthG

I appreciate you may have good intentions, but you've listened to to much pro$$ie crap, they don't really want it (Tax etc) and the laws not going to change, and even if it did it wouldn't change things, leases that are set for 999 years and issued decades ago are not going to be re written to accomodate prostitution.

All the government needs to do as a bare minimum is just change the word from two to three, or four inside the legal statutes for brothels.

As in three girls working from the same flat constitutes to a brothel but two does not.

Tenancy agreements will likely just say "the premises is not to be used as a brothel" and with the law change from two to three they'd still be inside of it.

Offline James999

Anth it's not just tenancy agreements it's leases, these typically mention prostitution and also tend to have clauses mentioning termssuch as "immoral" and as I said before no law abiding landlord is going to want to rent out a property to be used as a knocking shop  :wacko:

Offline Jimmyredcab

Anth it's not just tenancy agreements it's leases, these typically mention prostitution and also tend to have clauses mentioning termssuch as "immoral" and as I said before no law abiding landlord is going to want to rent out a property to be used as a knocking shop  :wacko:

Many landlords would be happy to rent their properties to prostitutes if there were no legal problems -------- at a slight premium obviously.    :hi:

Offline James999

Many landlords would be happy to rent their properties to prostitutes if there were no legal problems -------- at a slight premium obviously.   

But as you are aware pro$$ies expect things for FREE or as low a price as possible, from a landlords perspective if it's a flat then he could likely fall in breach of his head lease and forfeit / lose the property, and for what benefit?

Leases also cover illegal & immoral as well as disturbing / disruption of neighbours & property for residential use only,  etc, why would a proper / legal landlord bother to let it to pro$$ies with those problems when he could rent it to a working couple  :unknown:



Offline Jimmyredcab

But as you are aware pro$$ies expect things for FREE or as low a price as possible, from a landlords perspective if it's a flat then he could likely fall in breach of his head lease and forfeit / lose the property, and for what benefit?

Leases also cover illegal & immoral as well as disturbing / disruption of neighbours & property for residential use only,  etc, why would a proper / legal landlord bother to let it to pro$$ies with those problems when he could rent it to a working couple  :unknown:

A pro$$ie is less likely to "trash" a property, many letting agents don't vet tenants properly and are only interested in their management fees.    :thumbsdown:

Offline Turtle1

Brothels are like that for a reason, we want more Indi girls. Thanks to the downfall of brothels we've seen a drop in price and I'm guessing WG's are taking more money home.

Offline James999

A pro$$ie is less likely to "trash" a property, many letting agents don't vet tenants properly and are only interested in their management fees.   

Have you tried renting a property Jimmy, I think you will be surprised at the amount of checking and vetting, and mostly done through tenant reference agencies (with the bill passed to the tenant of course) so why / how would they not do it properly. In fact I'd go as far as to say that you'd find it difficult to rent (not that you want to) a £1250 a month flat in London.

As for a pro$$ie being less likely to trash a place, I wouldn't agree, a working couple who are at work all day and then perhaps the odd dinner party are far less likely to cause damage than a pro$$ie having a stream of clients, with every Tom dick and Abdul flushing condoms and wet wipes down the drain, and banging her senseless in every room with a bed / soft furnishing / floor   :sarcastic:
« Last Edit: October 10, 2015, 05:40:44 PM by James999 »

I dont see why people think it will reduce/eliminate the involvement in the criminal fraternity in Brothels

I havent seen if this has been discussed but a notice that European Court of Justice supported the Amsterdam authorities in not giving a licence to a owner because he couldnt speak the same language as his whores 

Offline smiths

All the government needs to do as a bare minimum is just change the word from two to three, or four inside the legal statutes for brothels.

As in three girls working from the same flat constitutes to a brothel but two does not.

Tenancy agreements will likely just say "the premises is not to be used as a brothel" and with the law change from two to three they'd still be inside of it.

This government has shown zero interest in doing this though so its pie in the sky fantasy. Police forces can seize a pimps assets under POCA so I am not hearing they want to decriminalise brothels either, and as I said above decriminalisation ISNT legalisation anyway.

Personally I cant see either decriminalisation or legalisation happening here anytime soon as the government of any party would be too shit scared of the femi-nazis to do it, its also not exactly a vote winning issue, in fact it COULD be a vote losing issue and especially with older Tory voters.

And the other very important issue about prostitution is it gives men mainly an alternative that doesn't suit the traditional view of how a society best works which is a man meets a partner, nowadays that can be another man of course, has a steady job, buys or rents a home, has kids and is thus more likely to tow the line and be a good boy during his life, WGs challenge that view in the eyes of some.

Offline Mansell

What's obvious from the replies on this thread is that if we who know far more about it than those in goverment (hopefully  :D) can't even agree it's a good thing, then chances of it happening look pretty much zero.

Offline James999

It's not really a question of agreeing about it, just logic, if you think the whole process through you will see that it would be pretty much impossible to work, for leases / tenancy agreements apart from anything else, unless of course the whole pro$$ie thing became socially acceptable and no longer considered Immoral, no political party will be interested in changing the law as it would be unpopular with voters and easy for the opposition to score points on, add to that the fact that pro$$ies won't want to become legitimate and the tax / NI / responsibilities that go with it, so in truth it's a non starter.

But it gives pro$$ies something to whinge about and use as a protest when they get nicked for running brothels  :hi:


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