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NWescort

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Just a bit thick  :D

Yeah, really thick  :yahoo:

You have no idea who your talking to honeybee, why not keep it quiet for now eh?

What a horrible, horrible forum awash with bitter, woman hating men!

Thank god in 'real life' clients like you dont exist! Are you even a punter, or just a timewasting fantasist (as we all know sites like this are awash with them)

Offline rpg

Wow, you just showed yourself then with your long winded, name calling post! I dont believe I warrant being called 'stupid'? (but then again, thats all bitter men like you can do, throw insults around!)


And actually it wasnt meant to be on saafe, maybe pay a bit more attention to what WGs actually think and you may have some better punts, as to be so bitter you must have plenty of bad ones!

Where did I say girls dont rip punters off? You slate SAAFE because some girls post about shitty clients (and I do agree that there are girls on saafe that dont enjoy the job and shouldnt be doing it), yet the tone against WGs is far worse here! Regularly referring to us as 'sluts' 'whores' etc, with that attitude if taken into the booking its no wonder they had a shit punt!

The only 'whining' done then was you, what a ridiculously immature post from someone whos presumably, a grown man?

Brace youself

Offline Marmalade

I dont believe I warrant being called 'stupid'?
Well let's see ... coming on a punters forum to slag off punters is pretty stupid  :rolleyes:

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(but then again, thats all bitter men like you can do, throw insults around!)
I'm neiher bitter nor insulting. I've just had a very nice punt thanks.  :) :)

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And actually it wasnt meant to be on saafe, maybe pay a bit more attention to what WGs actually think and you may have some better punts, as to be so bitter you must have plenty of bad ones!
Tiresome, as you don't actually think. Have a read of the more sensible WG posts on here - posts by ones that do think . . . Not that it's any of your business, but if you read my posts, which presumably you haven't, you'd see I actually have a high rate of good punts - mostly from experience of avoiding bad ones.

I'm not answering the rest of the garbage in your posts. I did not slate saafe - in fact I pointed out several useful things about it. You are slagging off a paranoid fantasy. That's your problem. Not mine.

Uglybugball

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To gain a balanced perspective, SAAFE should let the punter post on their site too. Considered by some to be a strength, it is also one of their weaknesses. Being too exclusive only allows those that shout the loudest to rule the roost. Others remain afraid to truly voice their opinions.

The advantage would be for all parties to freely discuss the real issues that matter, in some cases agree to disagree on others. There is a good flow of information on there, but mostly goes off tangent and lacks real clarity.

The original purpose of warning escorts about dodgy clients is crucial and that must continued to be upheld. (There are some real shits out there).

Who knows, it might end up as one big love in...everyone wins.   :kissgirl:

Offline Marmalade

What a horrible, horrible forum awash with bitter, woman hating men!
And you couldn't resist coming on here to tell us? Are you related to Mother Teresa?

Offline blackburnian

Yeah, really thick  :yahoo:

You have no idea who your talking to honeybee, why not keep it quiet for now eh?

What a horrible, horrible forum awash with bitter, woman hating men!

Thank god in 'real life' clients like you dont exist! Are you even a punter, or just a timewasting fantasist (as we all know sites like this are awash with them)

I don't normally post in threads like this  but I've got to ask , why on earth have you come on here to slag us off ,just to get a reaction so you can start you're own saafe thread and get some kudos??

Kitty

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To gain a balanced perspective, SAAFE should let the punter post on their site too. Considered by some to be a strength, it is also one of their weaknesses. Being too exclusive only allows those that shout the loudest to rule the roost. Others remain afraid to truly voice their opinions.

The advantage would be for all parties to freely discuss the real issues that matter, in some cases agree to disagree on others. There is a good flow of information on there, but mostly goes off tangent and lacks real clarity.

The original purpose of warning escorts about dodgy clients is crucial and that must continued to be upheld. (There are some real shits out there).

Who knows, it might end up as one big love in...everyone wins.   :kissgirl:

Sorry but no. It is a support site for escorts, by escorts only. Note that I say escorts, as there ARE in fact male members, but they too are escorts. For many who post on it it is the one link they may have to "socialise" with other escorts due to not having any contact with other sex workers in the real world, and having no one they can rely on for support from IRL either.

Does it really matter if they have one tiny little piece of the Internet to be able to talk frankly amongst themselves? If it isn't actively harming you then why feel the need to get involved? There are already sites such as the and %%% which they can use to get punters' opinions if they so wish...

PompeyChap

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Wow, you just showed yourself then with your long winded, name calling post! I dont believe I warrant being called 'stupid'? (but then again, thats all bitter men like you can do, throw insults around!)

The term irony is much needed here. If you're going to get all huffy about someone being "insulting", it's generally not a good idea to insult them...or even generalise men as a whole.

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And actually it wasnt meant to be on saafe, maybe pay a bit more attention to what WGs actually think and you may have some better punts, as to be so bitter you must have plenty of bad ones!

Surely that works both ways? If SAAFE is meant to be a forum for escorts to communicate with other escorts about anything, UKP is the same for punters. Coming onto a punting forum and "slagging" someone off merely for voicing their opinion is a tad silly. If you grasp that stick that's up your arse and pull it out, you might be able to realise that if you drop you "man-hating" campaign and take your own advice "you may have some better punts".

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Where did I say girls dont rip punters off? You slate SAAFE because some girls post about shitty clients (and I do agree that there are girls on saafe that dont enjoy the job and shouldnt be doing it), yet the tone against WGs is far worse here! Regularly referring to us as 'sluts' 'whores' etc, with that attitude if taken into the booking its no wonder they had a shit punt!

WGs are rarely referred to as anything so derogatory, it's a punting forum, we go see these women for sex/companionship. If you took the time to read the forum you'd see that the majority of posts are about punters giving advice to other punters and discussing topics revolving around...well..punting. You claim SAAFE isn't riddled with punter hating women, yet claim UKP is full of women hating bastards? I've read through SAAFE more than enough to see that bas, it merely has a few women who sully its name. The same as UKP.

Sure you'll get a few negative things said about some WGs here, but wouldn't you have something negative to say if you'd booked blonde Sandra size 6 for £100/an hour only to be given brunette Sarah size 16 for £150 an hour?

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The only 'whining' done then was you, what a ridiculously immature post from someone whos presumably, a grown man?

Replace "grown man" with "grown woman" and add "feels the need to join a forum merely to attack someone for voicing their opinion" and the same can be said for you.

Yeah, really thick  :yahoo:

You have no idea who your talking to honeybee, why not keep it quiet for now eh?

What a horrible, horrible forum awash with bitter, woman hating men!

Thank god in 'real life' clients like you dont exist! Are you even a punter, or just a timewasting fantasist (as we all know sites like this are awash with them)

Then why on earth are you here if it's a terrible forum? Shouldn't you be....."entertaining" clients?

JohnSnowdon

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I've never really taken an interest in saafe and do so only now as I'm on a long boring train ride.

This was the first, and only, thread I've read and I got fed up of this one half way down the first page (so apologies if any prossies eventually came out in defence of the punter).

The gist is that they're slagging off punters who dare to want sex for the whole time they've paid for! Guys who do not cum on cue or pull back from climax are derided and even blacklisted.

The consensus seems to be that we're there, at least in part, to pleasure the prossie. Some even think we hold back because we think it's what the prossie wants...a long session. Some blatantly state the tricks they use to make guys cum sooner.

Are they forgetting they are the service providers? I'm not really that fussed if they thoroughly enjoy themselves. If it's important to them, however, I am happy to take payment and provide the service.

It would be like restauranteurs complaining that customers are coming in, paying for a meal and expecting a meal!

I am sure they would love me to pay for an hour, wank myself off for 5 minutes whilst they tell me about their maff or siense degrees and then leave. Delusional.

All the girls I've seen don't try and rush me, mind you I know that I'm having sex with a human being not a machine and I don't enjoy cumming as much if I hold back for too long. I've paid for the girls time but don't expect to be shagging the whole time, the build up and foreplay is just as enjoyable as doing the deed. Some of the girls I have seen say that guys have made them extremely sore or bleed afterwards because they went on trying to hold back for a long time and were too rough. I want my partner to be consenting, and enjoying themself not enduring discomfort and pain.

Luckily I'm really picky so have never had a girl who I thought treated me badly and cut my time, but I know others have.

Offline Marmalade

All the girls I've seen don't try and rush me, mind you I know that I'm having sex with a human being not a machine and I don't enjoy cumming as much if I hold back for too long. I've paid for the girls time but don't expect to be shagging the whole time, the build up and foreplay is just as enjoyable as doing the deed. Some of the girls I have seen say that guys have made them extremely sore or bleed afterwards because they went on trying to hold back for a long time and were too rough. I want my partner to be consenting, and enjoying themself not enduring discomfort and pain.

Luckily I'm really picky so have never had a girl who I thought treated me badly and cut my time, but I know others have.

Are you are prossie?

Ben4454

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Do we have any 'great' prossies who have come from SAAFE? I doubt it. I assume many of them have dusty phones. The forum on how to be prossies while not being prossies at the same time.

Offline Marmalade

Do we have any 'great' prossies who have come from SAAFE? I doubt it. I assume many of them have dusty phones. The forum on how to be prossies while not being prossies at the same time.

Trouble with dust it often gets in the stupider ones' fannies (so they think of all the terrible things punters might want to do to them if they were also stupid enough to want to see them) and in their ears ("ooooh I 'eard...") and then to their brains ("I'm picky" ... "I don't see many people cos I like to make sure they are nice gentlemen" (i.e. old and fat prossie with bad attitude seeks young handsome polite twat with money to throw away who apologises for not getting it up / coming too soon but tips magnanimously anyway.)

 :wackogirl: :rolleyes:

Offline pumps

reading that first post on saafe made me feel physically sick, I couldn't bring myself to read the rest. fucking ungreatfull whore

Ben4454

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Trouble with dust it often gets in the stupider ones' fannies (so they think of all the terrible things punters might want to do to them if they were also stupid enough to want to see them) and in their ears ("ooooh I 'eard...") and then to their brains ("I'm picky" ... "I don't see many people cos I like to make sure they are nice gentlemen" (i.e. old and fat prossie with bad attitude seeks young handsome polite twat with money to throw away who apologises for not getting it up / coming too soon but tips magnanimously anyway.)

 :wackogirl: :rolleyes:

Well put.   :drinks:

Huckleberry

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Many of the posters on Saafe sife should be grateful we are paying some where north of £100 per hour for their time.
If they only see 5 clients a day, their earnings soon add up.
Now they have the audaciously to think it is out of order for us the paying client, to accept a decent service in return for our hard earned cash?
They are indeed fortunate to be earning such a vast amount per day compared to many other trades that pay probably £100 a day for really hard work, not to mention travelling expenses incurred by mortal folks
Yet the complaining bitches should take a minute  out of their cushy life and consider themselves bloody lucky.
Think how much a local nurse earns in a day, on their feet all day caring for patients, many in critical wards where they perform hard graft where life matters instead of laying on their backs clock watching like kost bitches on Saafe.
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Offline AnthG

They are indeed fortunate to be earning such a vast amount per day compared to many other trades that pay probably £100 a day for really hard work, not to mention travelling expenses incurred by mortal folks
Yet the complaining bitches should take a minute  out of their cushy life and consider themselves bloody lucky.

You're money figures are way too lenient on them.

A person on minimum wage (£6.50 per hour) only gets £55.25 per day! But that is before tax, and travel taken off.

Putting in the tax calculator it says

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SUMMARY

Earn £12,675 in 2015/2016 and you'll take home £11,706. This means £976 in your pocket a month.

Over the year you'll pay £415 income tax and £554 in National Insurance. Totaling £969
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This works out that a person comes away with £51.02 per day on minimum wage after tax taken off. That is before paying bus fare to get to and from work which would be another £4 for a bus day pass = £47 per day.

A WG on £100 per hour just needs to see one person per day for only a 30mins booking to get the same as she would get on minimum wage working 8.5 hours hard graft.

That is how disgraceful it is that they moan and complain like they do.
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Offline berksboy

      They are free to go and get a other job if they like , just may not be the same pay !  :rolleyes:

Offline purple_t

Lol those girls would hate me... I only ever come once in a session and try to do it as late in the session as possible... preferably after banging in several different positions... sod cumming in the first ten minutes and then chatting for 50 minutes!

Huckleberry

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AnthG  : :hi:
Perhaps, I was too generous.
Initially, the imports from E.E did drive the prices down to a reasonable rate which seemed just acceptable but now they have been infected with greed and now the genie is out of the bottle and led by market forces.
Anyhow, back to shaking hands with Mr President and save some cash this week.
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Offline Marmalade

Lol those girls would hate me... I only ever come once in a session and try to do it as late in the session as possible... preferably after banging in several different positions... sod cumming in the first ten minutes and then chatting for 50 minutes!

Why the fuck should they hate you? (unless they are psychologically maladjusted, as many, not all, of course are).

You give them
a) money
b) politeness

You can give them jizz all over their pretty little fuckface, several times if you can manage it, but that is neither here nor there (although it is reasonable not to get it deliberately in their eyes or they might not be able to see to open the door or count their stash for a week).

To be honest, a lot don't object too much as long as you are reasonably firm and set the agenda. Too many punters go along expecting the prossies to work hard and then get upset when they don't. It's a lot easier to reply to, "would you like a (very time-wasting) back-massage" with "let me give you one first" (for all of 10 seconds while I eye up your fanny and arse cheeks). And if you want one, then decide what exactly you want next so you can give the instructions when you've had enough of her one-hand rub-rub while she checks her fucking facebook messages ...

Offline jimmytick

I just read a thread called "working when on period" - where they advertise to simply ram a sponge up their minge and carry on working......... surely thats just a nono

In reality the price we pay for an hour of their time, they can afford to only work 3 weeks of the year. They dont need to be shagging when on the blob, unless of course advertised and some wierdo has a fettish. I would love to see their tax returns, a job which pays well and only deals in cash.

They moan like hell on that site, about everything...... the guys clothes, hair, aftershave, cock size, pube length, belly size, fast cummers, slow cummers, timewasters ....... if they didnt want to suck dick for a living maybe they should of tried a little bit harder in school then they could earn their 50k a year without being gagged :D

Funniest comments are generally people who spend too long on the phone, i would love for them to book a plumber for over £100 per hour with only being on the phone for 60 seconds.

Offline Marmalade

I just read a thread called "working when on period" - where they advertise to simply ram a sponge up their minge and carry on working......... surely thats just a nono

More like fairly standard. Then when you get a bit of blood on the condom the stock phrase is, "eeew! it must have come early!" ('thinks:' "must get a bigger fucking sponge!") (usually accompanied by suitable expression of shock horror in case punter freaks out).

Offline phillips

More like fairly standard. Then when you get a bit of blood on the condom the stock phrase is, "eeew! it must have come early!" ('thinks:' "must get a bigger fucking sponge!") (usually accompanied by suitable expression of shock horror in case punter freaks out).

Yes Its standard practice with a lot of them.

pierrot

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Theres a thread on there called which month is quieter one claims to do £4800 a month and another reckons on doing 9 to 10 grand a month in july and august.
Draw your own conclusions.

Offline Marmalade

Theres a thread on there called which month is quieter one claims to do £4800 a month and another reckons on doing 9 to 10 grand a month in july and august.
Draw your own conclusions.

It's so cute isn't it . . . and then they rent out a shitty apartment and talk as if they hardly have enough money to take a day off.

At the other end of the scale are whores who make it clear they are rolling in it and look at you like you are some cheap shite scum that is lucky to come near her.

I once had an all-nighter as a result of beer goggles, and when I looked at her getting dressed commented that her prices were a bit steep. She responded by indicating the label on her dress and the jewellery hanging off her and said, "This stuff doesn't come cheap!" I thought, you cunt, I only paid to fuck your fanny, not your dress or your necklace!

yorkshire123

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I don't read it often but when I do I seem to have this image in my head

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Also find myself wondering what there AW profiles are as its hard to believe that some of them ever make a penny from paid sex with attitudes like they have, unless its all an internet act of course  ;)

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... unless its all an internet act of course  ;)
i am sure that keyboard warriors get everywhere, it is so easy to be anything you want from behind the safety of a keyboard.
Me? i walk at the merest hint of Romanian in the hood, pop ten times, look like David Gandy

Offline purple_t

I don't read it often but when I do I seem to have this image in my head

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Haha! :lol:
Yeah it does seem most of the prossies that post regularly on there are of the more 'mature' variety. I guess the younger, fitter ones have more bookings and less time to constantly shitpost and complain on there

Offline Ali Katt

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Haha! :lol:
Yeah it does seem most of the prossies that post regularly on there are of the more 'mature' variety. I guess the younger, fitter ones have more bookings and less time to constantly shitpost and complain on there
It's been said before, but the incredibly busy young prossies don't even bother with forums, especially saafe. Why would they?

Offline hw189

Hi,

First time I have come across the SAAFE website / forum, and have to conclude: What a bunch of whining bitches! I hope I never come across them.

Anyway, how does one link the SAAFE user's profile to their AW user profile, or website? Has this been done before here? I would prefer to have a blacklist of all, if not most, SAAFE forum bitches.

Offline Cuntminion

I will be honest here I actually find saafe an enjoyable read, can be funny

As for the negativity about punters on saafe people always gonna have an opinion so I don't get wound up by it

Offline the bloody butterfly

When I first started punting a coupe of months ago I went on that site, naively hoping to find any tips and info on the do's and dont's but quickly realised it would put me off seeing anybody if I read it for more than a few minutes. I suppose it's a good thing that wg's can vent their spleen now and then but it makes grim reading for punters.

Offline Marmalade

A visit to an abattoir just before your Sunday roast is probably never the best of ideas.

Offline the bloody butterfly

A visit to an abattoir just before your Sunday roast is probably never the best of ideas.

haha. we all do silly things when we're young. I'm two months older now.

Offline jimmytick

You seen this one?

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So the girl doesnt feel safe with the guy, lets him in regardless and charges full rate, then goes through his pockets whilst hes in the shower!!!! ...... then refuses to Kiss, OWO and have sex. Sounds like a very expensive covered BJ to me!

Offline Cuntminion

You seen this one?

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So the girl doesnt feel safe with the guy, lets him in regardless and charges full rate, then goes through his pockets whilst hes in the shower!!!! ...... then refuses to Kiss, OWO and have sex. Sounds like a very expensive covered BJ to me!


Yeah that shits not on if woman felt unsure don't go on with the booking don't let him in treat him like a pariah and rifle his clothes

Offline Marmalade

The guy sounds unsavoury. She could have just recited from the Book of Standard Prossie Excuses. She sounds downright inexperienced rather than malicious, even if she did act like a cunt.

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The guy sounds unsavoury. She could have just recited from the Book of Standard Prossie Excuses. She sounds downright inexperienced rather than malicious, even if she did act like a cunt.
Maybe she was saving for a new designer handbag:
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Offline Hobbit

If you want to save lots of money, then just read SAAFE, it will put you off punting for ever!  :lol:

Offline hw189

This reminds me of a story I encountered a while back... I recommended an escort to one of my close and trusted friends after experiencing a relatively good service from her. He came back to me the next day after visiting this escort telling me it was one of the most shit punts he's ever had. Absolutely stunned at what I just heard, we compared the services / attitude we received from the escort. So shocked I even questioned him if he saw the same escort I recommended. After noting all the differences (where most services were either not provided to him, or lacklustre) the only conclusion we could draw from all this was that the escort was not comfortable seeing him, as he was black. Though her profile never mentioned any such thing and nor was he turned away when he arrived at her place. I've known this guy for several years and there's certainly no doubt about his hygiene, demeanour or attitude to women. He's even agreed to my previous recommendations of escorts him. Also, the escort in question was English, not EE.

Not intending to kick up an issue about race here, but the conclusion in all this is that it just goes to show how low these bitches can go in taking money from anyone they can get their hands on and either not delivering the services, or providing a shit service in return. I wouldn't be surprised if this wench was a fully fledged member of SAAFE and got her ideas from there. The attitude of many of the escorts on there really do disgust me.

Offline hw189

If you want to save lots of money, then just read SAAFE, it will put you off punting for ever!  :lol:

Much rather have a wank than visit any of those bitches.

The happy one

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I have tried many times to get fit, hot pro$$ies to join UKP, never had any success ----- as you quite rightly say, they are too busy earning money.

I think the other reason for that is they worry about getting abuse if they say something that someone does not agree with

I have asked why don't they join and contribute but they say it is not worth the grief they are happy just reading it all as a guest

Diehard

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These low life bitches on SAAFE are so thick and uneducated that they don't realise that their loathing for punters is why they are spending their entire time on SAAFE instead of fucking all day getting repeat clients. It isn't rocket science.

If you are unlucky enough to have booked one of those low life hookers on SAAFE and have received a shit service I suppose if you have a thread about you saying what a bastard you are it is quite satisfying to know you have royally fucked them off.

Diehard

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This reminds me of a story I encountered a while back... I recommended an escort to one of my close and trusted friends after experiencing a relatively good service from her. He came back to me the next day after visiting this escort telling me it was one of the most shit punts he's ever had. Absolutely stunned at what I just heard, we compared the services / attitude we received from the escort. So shocked I even questioned him if he saw the same escort I recommended. After noting all the differences (where most services were either not provided to him, or lacklustre) the only conclusion we could draw from all this was that the escort was not comfortable seeing him, as he was black. Though her profile never mentioned any such thing and nor was he turned away when he arrived at her place. I've known this guy for several years and there's certainly no doubt about his hygiene, demeanour or attitude to women. He's even agreed to my previous recommendations of escorts him. Also, the escort in question was English, not EE.

Not intending to kick up an issue about race here, but the conclusion in all this is that it just goes to show how low these bitches can go in taking money from anyone they can get their hands on and either not delivering the services, or providing a shit service in return. I wouldn't be surprised if this wench was a fully fledged member of SAAFE and got her ideas from there. The attitude of many of the escorts on there really do disgust me.

Name and shame the bitch if she still whoring herself out

Diehard

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The guy sounds unsavoury. She could have just recited from the Book of Standard Prossie Excuses. She sounds downright inexperienced rather than malicious, even if she did act like a cunt.

Disagree. No excuse for the way she acted. The bitch is there to serve the requirements of her customer. Once she takes the money she should shut the fuck up and do what she is told. If she had a problem then don't take his money and tell him to leave.

She was malicious plain and simple.

Offline hw189

Absolutely right Diehard, downright malicious through and through. Then they have the temerity to act out as though they are the victims in all this. Never mind about the punters they have just ripped off or treated like scum, no, the punter "should be grateful she went through with it at all" (KayHerts on SAAFE).

These bitches on SAAFE, they are only lucky that not many punters know about SAAFE and the shit that is being spout out about them. Once it becomes widely known, I'm sure the only thread these bitches would be left contributing to would be: Slow at the minute or just me? - Yeah, that's right, at that point it would be only them! These whores can try hiding all they like on that forum, but it is still possible to identify them and link them to their escort profiles from their posts.

As for my previous anecdote, that happened back in 2009 / 2010. Sure, my mate did immediately post a negative review of the bitch on %%%. As you can imagine, it only lasted about a week before that tosspot Galahad took it down (escort not escorting anymore reason). But, surprisingly, the bitch turned up again under a different alias about 2 / 3 weeks later. No doubt another tactic taken from the SAAFE handbook. Unfortunately, I don't know if that bitch is still working or not. I don't see her in the area she used to serve, or under her old aliases. She may have gone for good or she may have moved areas and changed alias again.

Offline Daffodil

You seen this one?

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So the girl doesnt feel safe with the guy, lets him in regardless and charges full rate, then goes through his pockets whilst hes in the shower!!!! ...... then refuses to Kiss, OWO and have sex. Sounds like a very expensive covered BJ to me!

"Throughout the duration of the booking I just kept thinking he was going to rob me."

Ironic, given that she took his money and gave virtually no services in return. Sounds like it was the punter who was robbed  :thumbsdown:

Offline Marmalade

Disagree. No excuse for the way she acted. The bitch is there to serve the requirements of her customer. Once she takes the money she should shut the fuck up and do what she is told. If she had a problem then don't take his money and tell him to leave.

She was malicious plain and simple.

I don't think I disagreed with you. I said the punter sounded unsavoury: I didn't say the prostitute wasn't a bitch. She didn't act professionally. But she didn't rob him, just give him crap service as far as the account goes. But who knows, she might be a lying cunt for all we know.