De-fluffing

[Mancspunter]

SPOT ON
If you have a good client in ANY business you should make allowances, the problem with most pro$$ies is that they can only see as far as today instead of looking at possible future revenue.
Saafe is the total opposite of UKPunting, they will always take the side of the pro$$ie.

I certainly agree strongly with this, whoever this prossie is, she will most certainly be the one still having sex with these men she finds repulsive for many years because if shes being this money grabbing it sounds like she is the sort to be living the high life instead of squirrelling it away so she can retire early and do whatever she wants for a living or indeed nothing.

My old regular used to surprise me occasionally by dropping prices, overstaying sometimes for a good couple of hours, and even once did a very cut price overnight, why?
Because I had given her a heck of a lot of money over a couple of years and she wanted me to carry on giving her money and I did.
If she had gotten arsey about a few quid, an extra hour not paid for (when not asked for) or a moved booking she knew I would most likely move on.
All this good service and I never even bought her any gifts!
The prossie in the OP does not know she is born.

[Fatbrian]

things go wrong what  either side (punter or  wg) loses sight of the fact that  it is and  should be treated as a business transaction.

He should not  be throwing gifts about and she should be clear on any services that  she is going to require payment for.

My 'feeling' of the situation is  he is a sycophant and is actually hoping to makes some payments by gift so that  he can delude himself that he is  not 'really' paying for it and they are  more friends that client and  customer.

Without a  doubt girl will joke and take the piss  out of regulars. Just  the same in any  company when there will be jokes about regular clients but  not  in front of them. the same thing is going on with the girls.

Punters need to understand this is a business.

[Bangers and Gash]

The prossie in the OP does not know she is born.

That's nothing new. Lot's of pro$$ies seem to live in some sort of fantasy land.

Deluded to the point of thinking when their fannies become as dried-up and craggy as their face already is, a rich client will swoop in with a marriage proposal and a life of luxury.

[Matium]

Punters need to understand this is a business.

Prostitutes need to understand this is a business.

Failing to maintain customer satisfaction, showing contempt for, and making fun of, customers is the fastest, quickest and easiest way to lose business.

Is it any wonder that Saafe has a thread, now more than 60 pages long, full of prostitutes complaining about the lack of "work" ?

[Ali Katt]

Is it any wonder that Saafe has a thread, now more than 60 pages long, full of prostitutes complaining about the lack of "work" ?

I remember once there was a young woman 20 years-old I think asking for advice and they gave her a load of bullshit to put her off, like telling her not to charge less than £150 an hour.

There's a lesson don't book overnights with a prossie you've never met and don't buy a prossie gifts.

[whiterussian]

what is this saafe thing.

Please, not more shite.

3 punting forums is my absolute max and %%% isnt one of them

[James999]

what is this saafe thing.

Years ago washed up pro$$ies past their sell by date and weight used to become madams and run brothels, with them being closed down and the police taking away the proceeds of the crime they are not so keen on that nowadays.

So now the washed up pro$$ies use that site to moan at each other and pass away the time whilst they remember when the phone used to ring, they wrap it up in the guise of advising other pro$$ies but they are about as out of date and clueless 

[NIK]

I think James is in need of de-fluffyication. 

Seriously one function of UKP is to point out to fluffies the errors of their ways. However I believe many of them are actually beyond help.

As for Saafe, quite simply it's a load of shite.

[AnthG]

Its a bit stupid how you cannot sign up there to point out a glaring omission in their logic. And you need to do it here so they will read it and realize.

Here is the situation summed up in two quotes.

I should have said something but it was just weird and I didn't want to offend him while the taxi was waiting and the other WG was still there.

I'm so confused and I didn't say anything cause I didn't want to seem selfish after he'd given me all that stuff.

he should be paying her for (unless she personally decides to waive the fee for some reason).

Now put yourself in the shoes of the guy. What would the guy think from the above? As a hint EmilyJones spelt it out.

[Fatpro$$ie]

I just do not get the point of her whinging about it afterwards.  If he made a booking with her and did not offer payment then she should have asked or gently reminded him.  He might have forgot in the heat of the moment and then after all the bullshit thought sod her now.
She did not ask for payment upfront which is the right way to treat a regular (there has to be some trust) but she should have asked before she even rang for her taxi.
Its ok some of you saying she should not have been paid as he spent most of his time shagging the other girl but he booked her and should have paid as it was his choice how he spent the time.

I must say though the way she has slagged him off I hope he never visits her again.  That site does not seem to be there for what it used to be. It used to offer valuable info to new girls and now it is just a forum for slagging off punters. 

Even the dreaded TK has got her voice on there now.  It is not a site I would wish to be associated with now

[Daffodil]

I just do not get the point of her whinging about it afterwards.  If he made a booking with her and did not offer payment then she should have asked or gently reminded him.  He might have forgot in the heat of the moment and then after all the bullshit thought sod her now.
She did not ask for payment upfront which is the right way to treat a regular (there has to be some trust) but she should have asked before she even rang for her taxi.
Its ok some of you saying she should not have been paid as he spent most of his time shagging the other girl but he booked her and should have paid as it was his choice how he spent the time.

I must say though the way she has slagged him off I hope he never visits her again.  That site does not seem to be there for what it used to be. It used to offer valuable info to new girls and now it is just a forum for slagging off punters. 

Even the dreaded TK has got her voice on there now.  It is not a site I would wish to be associated with now

We only really have one side of the story. He may have intended to fuck her but she was reluctant or unwilling at the time. We can only speculate.

On the subject of presents I have no idea why punters buy expensive gifts for prossies. There was a girl I used to see who offered anal for £30 or a present (wine and perfume I think were her examples).  This was the only time I used to bring gifts...a £3 bottle of wine 

[Matium]

Even the dreaded TK has got her voice on there now. 

Kylie has certainly made her presence felt on Saafe.

She's just too big a girl to ever be ignored.

It'll be interesting to see how long the Sisterhood put up with her.

[Melb]

I'm really surprised to hear people on this forum saying Saafe prossies are stupid. In my opinion they are the smartest, most professional, astute, sharp business women in the world!

Here's proof, La-lique from the same thread:

i got ripped off today and it was a regular-scary thing is i checked (twice) and did actually count 230 but then when i left and went to pay my driver, i realised it was 210, so i was 20 down, now the mystery to me, is did i mis count twice  OR did client sneak back a 20?! well it would seem really trivial to steal back a 20 but hey they might get a thrill out of it?

Ta-da!   

[Melb]

Here's another quote, from Emily who is a global moderator:

I've only been able to have a handful of long-term regulars as there just aren't that many guys who can see you loads of times and not start getting "confused" about the situation. I'm guessing that many of these sorts of guys (not all - the really good regs are the ones who don't get remotely "confused"!)

They're confused or maybe the delivery from Specsavers finally arrives   

[AnthG]

Kylie has certainly made her presence felt on Saafe.

She's just too big a girl to ever be ignored.

It'll be interesting to see how long the Sisterhood put up with her.

But so far Kylie seems to be the sole voice of sense/reason on that thread.

Even the dreaded TK has got her voice on there now.

But many people here before and immediately just after getting banned were suggesting she should join there. I know I was suggesting it to her a good few times. It does seem with her she is damned if she does and damned if she doesn't.

[Matium]

But so far Kylie seems to be the sole voice of sense/reason on that thread.

But many people here before and immediately just after getting banned were suggesting she should join there. I know I was suggesting it to her a good few times. It does seem with her she is damned if she does and damned if she doesn't.

She's also on Prossienet now.

And, like you, she was on Das Boot.

 

[Matium]

Here's another quote, from Emily who is a global moderator:

I've only been able to have a handful of long-term regulars as there just aren't that many guys who can see you loads of times and not start getting "confused" about the situation. I'm guessing that many of these sorts of guys (not all - the really good regs are the ones who don't get remotely "confused"!)

They're confused or maybe the delivery from Specsavers finally arrives   

Perhaps she subscribes to confused.com?

 

[AnthG]

And, like you, she was on Das Boot.

 

Doubt that one. But that awful place is gone now so not even worth mentioning it I would say.

[Jimmyredcab]

Is it any wonder that Saafe has a thread, now more than 60 pages long, full of prostitutes complaining about the lack of "work" ?

The women on Saafe are not the type that I would consider seeing, mostly dried up, bitter and overweight hags who hate punters with a passion.
I hope this thread will help to show fluffies the error of their ways.   

[Fatbrian]

Prostitutes need to understand this is a business.

Failing to maintain customer satisfaction, showing contempt for, and making fun of, customers is the fastest, quickest and easiest way to lose business.

Is it any wonder that Saafe has a thread, now more than 60 pages long, full of prostitutes complaining about the lack of "work" ?

agreed fully

[Fatpro$$ie]

But so far Kylie seems to be the sole voice of sense/reason on that thread.

But many people here before and immediately just after getting banned were suggesting she should join there. I know I was suggesting it to her a good few times. It does seem with her she is damned if she does and damned if she doesn't.

Ah but no one suggested she go on their and start making accusations about a member here being rude and abusive and constantly whinging that there is a vendetta against her that is personal.  Even the young girls on there are sick of her and Emily had to close one of her threads as it was starting to look just like all the ones that appeared on here with a certain someone always being right and everyone knows nothing.

I am a member of saafe but rarely log on anymore as it has turned into a man hating forum rather than somewhere to share experiences with the newer girls so they could learn from mistakes we have made.  Its either a couple of them constantly telling everyone to do things their way as they are just perfect or the he/she giving stupid dangerous advice to young girls.

Perhaps a new site is needed for newbies to learn from that is not run by women who so obviously hate their work and the men they see..If only someone would set one up but most of us just dont have the time.

[Matium]

Doubt that one. But that awful place is gone now so not even worth mentioning it I would say.

Kylie was a member of Das Boot under the name of "FlybyNight".

[James999]

Kylie was a member of Das Boot under the name of "FlybyNight".

If she keeps inflating herself she may fly one day

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[AnthG]

Perhaps a new site is needed for newbies to learn from that is not run by women who so obviously hate their work and the men they see..If only someone would set one up but most of us just dont have the time.

But the problem is you could not stop people joining there and chipping in their opinion.

For example you could setup a forum with the best intentions to give the right advice but then other people will join to have their say on those topics. So then its either a case of deleting those posts you disagree with those peoples advice (and then cause a fury of censorship). Or everyone contradicting each other in the threads themselves and thus the girl wanting the advice will be no further forward and simply confused.

My personal opinion I think LadyOfTheMansion has got things down right. I say this as I notice she asked the exact same question on Saafe that she did on here.

I would say escorts should be a member of both here and saafe and ask the same question and if both places say the same then fine. If both say contradictory advice then let her use some of her own common-sense to gauge which is the best advice.

Many escorts say they dislike this forum. I think that is just because people here are direct. As never once do people give incorrect/bad advice. Its always well intended advice.

This question is a classic example of one which would have benefited from her asking it both here alongside on Saafe as this escort has not only shot herself in the foot with this very generous punter for what looks like a total misunderstanding which she herself caused by not taking payment upfront and then just leaving without taking it at the end after taking numerous expensive gifts that could have given the guy the impression she waved her fee due to them.

She has also made herself look very cold hearted and money grabbing to other punters. If I were in London and saw London honey on AdultWork no way would I book her after the way she has clearly went on. Lesson number 1 if she ever reads this, don't suggest spending time with a particular punter is "icky". And if you mess up don't send aggressive demanding messages for cash after the fact or you will never see them again. And don't bad mouth punters to other escorts he sees because you messed up.

[AnthG]

Kylie was a member of Das Boot under the name of "FlybyNight".

Like I said in the PM. I don't think that was TK. I thought FlybyNight was a different escort who is also a member here due to the Avatar Flybynight chose.

Not going to say who though as I could be totally and completely wrong on that assumption and cause offence.

[Northernbloke]

I am by no means fluffy,I know that many hookers despise their customers and I think men taking expensive gifts when paying huge amounts per hour are idiots. That said, I can see why the prossie is a bit miffed. Yes she is ahead in material terms with all the gifts, but if this punter engaged her for a period of time I don't see why she would not expect to be paid. The fact that he didn't fuck her is immaterial. I agree though, as she's onto a good thing with this regular it wouldn't hurt her to put it down to experience, she's got a bit of a mug on the line with this man.

[Melb]

New prossies used to get converted from genuine girls who want to provide a good service into man-hating haridans through contact with embittered old hags in brothels or agencies. Usually over a period of time.

Now it is done very quickly through fora like Saafe and prossienet.
To be fair, I also acknowledge that there are a lot of punters who are bastards and mis-treat girls.

[James999]

To be fair, I also acknowledge that there are a lot of punters who are bastards and mis-treat girls.

What makes you say that?

I have spoken to loads of pro$$ies over the years and the general feedback was that clients treat them well, after all of course they would as they want a good service. 

[Melb]

It's what I've heard from prossies and other punters.
Plus reading about rapists and muderers.

With all the creeps in the world do you not think that punting attracts its share?

[James999]

There will be weirdo's of course, but why would a rapist bother booking a pro$$ie?

[Melb]

There will be weirdo's of course, but why would a rapist bother booking a pro$$ie?

For practice.
(OK, I got that wrong)

[Lurtz]

I have spoken to loads of pro$$ies over the years and the general feedback was that clients treat them well,

Yes, this is the feedback I've heard too: girls get treated much better by punters than by their boyfriends. And punters have jobs and a more mature outlook on life; they have a rich tapestry of experience interwoven with a lust for life and a carefree attitude towards Victorian restraint. Many are phenomenal lovers. Several are too well-endowed for civilians ladies to cope with.

[Kristina]

Yes, this is the feedback I've heard too: girls get treated much better by punters than by their boyfriends. And punters have jobs and a more mature outlook on life; they have a rich tapestry of experience interwoven with a lust for life and a carefree attitude towards Victorian restraint. Many are phenomenal lovers. Several are too well-endowed for civilians ladies to cope with.

Just to add to this a WG,Prossie,hooker what ever term you choose to use is more likely to be abused and / or beaten, slapped, used, by her partner / boyfreind than a punter.

[Bangers and Gash]

Just to add to this a WG,Prossie,hooker what ever term you choose to use is more likely to be abused and / or beaten, slapped, used, by her partner / boyfreind than a punter.

You can also add> More likely to claim benefits, live in subsidised housing, pay no income tax and have issues regarding low self esteem and self loathing.

[hollierose-x]

You can also add> More likely to claim benefits, live in subsidised housing, pay no income tax and have issues regarding low self esteem and self loathing.

I believe this is soooo untrue Maybe in some cases, But not all.
I've had some "punters" I prefer the word "client"  who have treated me like a princess, while 30% are utter knobheads who must hate their own life so much they try to make it worse for us girls, we want a easy day, like everyone else does.
But the few escort friends I have ( I say few, as I wouldn't trust another escort with my handbag alone or to even get their hands on my work phone) they don't claim benefits, they register themselves as self employed so they can pay tax so they rent out their apartments/houses. I've been told on regular occasions "You benefit cheating low life scum Er, dude I'm 18 and don't claim benefits, live in my parents bought home, and spend my cash on making myself happy! And the majority of us girls do the same,!!! Don't tar us all!

[Matium]

r, dude I'm 18 and don't claim benefits, live in my parents bought home, and spend my cash on making myself happy! And the majority of us girls do the same,!!!

Live with parents?

That's going to make interesting conversation over the breakfast tea and toast.

"Oh darling, by the way, a man phoned while you were out asking if you'd be free on Saturday for a spot of rowing"

"Rowing, mummy?"

"Yes, darling, well he said RO, I just assumed he couldn't spell"

"Ah yes, I see, mummy"

 

[Mancspunter]

and spend my cash on making myself happy! And the majority of us girls do the same,!!! Don't tar us all!

One would hope you are putting some aside whilst your still young and fit, otherwise you may find yourself a skint knackered old bitter & twisted tart still turning tricks because your skint and hating the few clients that still see you.

[hollierose-x]

Live with parents?

That's going to make interesting conversation over the breakfast tea and toast.

"Oh darling, by the way, a man phoned while you were out asking if you'd be free on Saturday for a spot of rowing"

"Rowing, mummy?"

"Yes, darling, well he said RO, I just assumed he couldn't spell"

"Ah yes, I see, mummy"

 

LOOOOOOOL.
I did once forget to remove my work phone out of sight, and my snooping brother said, "Why have you received a text off a random number, asking if you like watersports,"

I made out he must of been that swimming instructor I emailed 

[whiterussian]

pull the other one

[hollierose-x]

One would hope you are putting some aside whilst your still young and fit, otherwise you may find yourself a skint knackered old bitter & twisted tart still turning tricks because your skint and hating the few clients that still see you.

loooooooooooool

[Lurtz]

pull the other one

Tut, Tut, she could be telling the truth. Only last week my dad picked up my phone and said, "You've received a text from Sue saying it's £10 for a new SIM."
"SIM card?" I asked.
"Yeah, she misspelt it C-I-M."
"Oh yes, I ordered a spare one for my mobile."
"And she says anal intercourse is an extra £50."

[hollierose-x]

Lmao, I am telling the truth, my mama thinks i'm such a hit with lads, with all the "dates" I go on 

[Matium]

I think you'll find we're a happy bunch of larks here.

All the naysayers and doom mongers are to be found amongst the Sisterhood.

 

[Lurtz]

Lmao, I am telling the truth, my mama thinks i'm such a hit with lads, with all the "dates" I go on 

My mum's the same. I caught her looking through my list of Contacts on my mobile. She scratched her head and said, " Amber, Britney, Carmen, Diamond Dakota,  - you sure have some exotic sounding girls living in your village."

[hollierose-x]

My mum's the same. I caught her looking through my list of Contacts on my mobile. She scratched her head and said, " Amber, Britney, Carmen, Diamond Dakota,  - you sure have some exotic sounding girls living in your village."

Lmao, Bet she thinks you know all the girls off brazzers personally.

[whiterussian]

an 18 yr old that watches Brazzers, gets better.

[Melb]

My dad thinks I know a lot of native Americans (Injuns) because he sees names like:

Amy takes-it-up-arse
Ruby running-water
Candy come-on-face

And he asked "Why do you keep going for these facials, your skin looks fine"

[Fatpro$$ie]

There will be weirdo's of course, but why would a rapist bother booking a pro$$ie?

As most pro$$ies will not report it to the police thats why so they get to practice their sick hobby and hone their skills before starting on woman in the civvie world.  SO many girls think the police will either blame them or treat them like crap or even out them so they do not report these guys when in fact the opposite is true.  They take it very seriously as they know damn well it could be a new offender trying to get it right before he attacks someone who will report it

[Jimmyredcab]

As most pro$$ies will not report it to the police thats why so they get to practice their sick hobby and hone their skills before starting on woman in the civvie world.

So how many times have you been raped by a punter, my guess is that it is very rare for this to happen.

[GlasgowGirl]

So how many times have you been raped by a punter, my guess is that it is very rare for this to happen.

What a question to ask someone