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Author Topic: Is O.W.O going out of fashion in the world of Escorts?  (Read 8826 times)

Offline mattylondon

Prostitutes have the right to refuse the OWO service ------------- I only see a problem when they offer it in their profile and then come out with some stupid excuse when the punter arrives, that amounts to fraud and deception.
I think we all agree with that Jimmy. It's always the woman's right to offer whatever services she likes.

My only problem is with the liars who pretend to offer it, but deliberately try all manner of means to avoid providing it. Take these deceptive bitches and scammers on Saafe, for example. 'Sorbet' and 'Lili69'. And I've personally known others. :cool:

http://www.saafe.info/main/index.php?topic=8120.msg65761#msg65761


Offline Blackkaht

I happen to be reasonably informed about this area too. In fact, Herpes cannot be tested for either  Maybe not in the UK but certainly in North America - it can

and can be caught even if a guy wears a condom. Yes, herpes can be caught from asymptomatic shedding - that is why if a punter or WG knows that he/she has the disease, they should not be in sexual contact with someone.

It can only been diagnosed when the condition appears. Well, maybe testing is more advanced on the other side of the world, but tests can definitely tell you that the antibody is within you without evidence of a lesion or appearance of another symptom. I have them every time I go to North America - the doctor's test for HP antibodies and you either have them or you don't.  My doctor also explained that some men and women do have the herpes virus in them but never pass it on to others as their immune system keeps the virus hidden in the nerves.

Therefore, if you wish to take this conversation to another level, should we completely abolish prostitution because of that associated risk? No, prostitution should not be abolished because of the associated risk of STDs - both you and I agree that risk occurs in everything we do. Some people live very well with herpes and some people suffer horribly; chlamydia is another STD that behaves differently in people.  I do part time work as a telephonist and the manager has a hard core policy that if someone has a cold sore - they are not to report to work - he thinks it is so unhygenic.  Risk is inherent in everything we do - we all just have to balance it out as we see fit.

All of this stuff is about minimising the risk. We all take calculated risks every day, don't we? yes we all do - risk is inherent in life itself.
I simply happen to lesson my risk by wearing a condom when having sex, but know that I could still contract an STD, such as Herpes. You draw the line a little higher.

 I didn't say anything about your view not being a legitimate one, simply that in flies in the face of the ethos of UKP in my opinion. And yes, I saw it fit to drive home that point to you!  I fail to see how offering a reason to a post flies in the face of the ethos of UKP - as I have repeatedly stated, I am not here to change anyone's mind or persuade anyone to punt differently.  Once again, the OP asked what the deal was with OWO, I told him one of the reasons why some WGs do not offer it or no longer do so.

Your argument may find more favour on Saafe or Prossient, but not here, even if it's a perfectly legitmate for you to argue for covered oral only. That arugment is of no benefit to the punter.  Once again, I fail to see how disseminating health advice is not a benefit to anyone.  Every punter should do his health research and weigh up all the odds of sticking his cock in some random woman's mouth/pussy; the conclusion of risk drawn is his own. I am not arguing here, simply stating facts.

We aren't completely stupid. We're aware of the risks! Some men are - not all! Not every punter is well researched or smart enough to ask questions either - it's good to have info to hand to be able to be in a position of making a wise choice of going in with or without.

I've also pointed out to you that covered oral won't stop you from contracting Herpes.  :hi:Yes - we both agree here - if you have a cold sore that is weeping and go down on a girl she get vaginal herpes- same as if you squeeze your cold sore, it weeps and then you scratch your cock, you transfer the herpes virus.  Most, not all, sex workers know this - male and female.

In my opinon, you're arguing for something that's not of benefit to punters. I'm not arguing.

And I should also point out to you, as you seem to be a little naive on this, many women love to provide owo too, depending on hygiene naturlaly.  :hi: That reinforces my position - hygiene is not indicative of health.  How many people are walking around out there that are actually sick but don't actually look it? Those women may suck willy that looks clean but the willy may not actually be clean. She sucks client 1 who has gonorrhea but his will is clean; then along client 2, who has a clean looking cock and she sucks him giving him gonorrhea from clean looking cock client 1.
« Last Edit: April 09, 2012, 12:14:55 PM by Blackkaht »

Offline mattylondon


Well then I hope you've learned some lessons today then? :P Nothing you've said today is new,quite frankly. Interesting as it is.  :hi:
« Last Edit: April 09, 2012, 12:13:34 PM by mattylondon »

Offline Matium

Gender:  Female
Occupation: Sensual Service Provider
Reason for being here: To learn

Can we take it then Blackkaht that you wholeheartedly subscribe to the UKP ethos of "Puttting the Punter first"?

Offline Blackkaht

I edited my post before your reply; learning is always good.  Can't really be truthful and say that I learn't anything new though. 

Offline Matium

I don't know what you will learn here.

In America, prostitution is illegal and everything is carried out under subterfuge. Here it is legal and the atmosphere is much more relaxed.

Some of the more bizarre American practices, such as the verification of punters, would never be tolerated here.

Offline Jacob

..... But even I have noticed that less and less Escorts are giving Oral Without- and when they do- they begrudgingly do so with the use of mouthwash, wet wipes and constantly complain about the taste of pre-cum.

Can't say I've noticed this at all. I prefer punting British girls, maybe nationality has something to do with it.

No way I'd knowingly punt a Pro$$ie who doesn't do OWO and 'enjoy' RO(WO) *slurp*  :)


Offline Blackkaht

Can we take it then Blackkaht that you wholeheartedly subscribe to the UKP ethos of "Puttting the Punter first"?

Hello Matium!
Apologies if my first postings on this board has stoked the wind. 
Yes is the answer to your question - being from the other side of the pond, we are taught from a young age "THE CUSTOMER IS ALWAYS RIGHT!".

As I posted above, I am not arguing with anyone or trying to persuade anyone to change how they punt.  The OP asked a question and seeing that I had an answer (not THE answer), I posted.

I've read a few of the posts here simply to get more of a feel for the UK punter as you do operate differently from the ones across the pond.

Offline mattylondon

Can't say I've noticed this at all. I prefer punting British girls, maybe nationality has something to do with it.

No way I'd knowingly punt a Pro$$ie who doesn't do OWO and 'enjoy' RO(WO) *slurp*  :)
:thumbsup:  :D

Offline muzzya57

Answer to the op. No, definitely not. All the girls I see offer owo and most now do deepthroat which used to be rare. End of.
Banning reason: Twat

Offline Blackkaht

I don't know what you will learn here.

In America, prostitution is illegal and everything is carried out under subterfuge. Here it is legal and the atmosphere is much more relaxed.

Some of the more bizarre American practices, such as the verification of punters, would never be tolerated here.


We must be posting at the same time!  I've read the posts to learn the ways/mindset/habits and such of the UK punter.  I know the ethos of this board.  I am not here to "fight the fight" of the WG.  That's for Saafe and other boards.  I simply answered as to why OWO is being withdrawn as a service for some WGs.  In North America, punting is illegal in many states and have to be done very discreetly and this is perhaps why health issues are very important in North America.  If a punter visits a WG and contract a STD, her healthcare provider is bound by law to report that disease.  That's why sex is done very stringently over there - every punter is known to every WG.  The punters must be vetted if the WG is serious about her business, as most is done on the down low to avoid law enforcement.
North Americans are almost anally retentive when it comes down to germs - they don't "do" sickness very well. 

Anyway, back on topic - OWO is always going to be around, as you will have WGs who weigh up the risks and decide the potential possibility of contracting an STD is minimal to them.

Offline mattylondon

OWO is always going to be around, as you will have WGs who weigh up the risks and decide the potential possibility of contracting an STD is minimal to them.
I've punted twice in Florida, once in New York and the same in California, when on vacation. I wasn't even aware it was 'illegal'!?  :D And I always received oral without? Perhaps I just got lucky eh? Got to say though, French kissing wasn't on the menu for any of them, so in that sense, a little different when compared to the UK, very poor, in terms of quality.  :thumbsdown:
« Last Edit: April 09, 2012, 12:41:03 PM by mattylondon »

Online Ali Katt

I think what I will say is the thing about deception being used is of more annoyance to the punter than the services offered. I do like OWO but, only have it if I am planning on cumming twice or in the girl's mouth.

I will not pay extra for any services. Charging extra for OWO or CIM has nothing to do with health, it is to get extra money from a service not everyone offers. Why would I pay extra for RO - it's like an escort paying the punter extra for cumming early. Charging extra for RO and CIM are becoming more commonplace.

I think if a prossie has CIM listed the punter is right in expecting it; I've seen one who had it listed only to be told "I don't like the taste of cum" - absolutely pathetic. She also said let me know when you are going to cum, any experienced cocksucker knows when a man is going to cum.

I think prossies who charge £200 an hour and have CIM as £20 extra or OWO as £20 extra, making a normal punt £240 should stick to fucking their hubby.

Offline mattylondon

I think what I will say is the thing about deception being used is of more annoyance to the punter than the services offered. I do like OWO but, only have it if I am planning on cumming twice or in the girl's mouth.

I will not pay extra for any services. Charging extra for OWO or CIM has nothing to do with health, it is to get extra money from a service not everyone offers. Why would I pay extra for RO - it's like an escort paying the punter extra for cumming early. Charging extra for RO and CIM are becoming more commonplace.

I think if a prossie has CIM listed the punter is right in expecting it; I've seen one who had it listed only to be told "I don't like the taste of cum" - absolutely pathetic. She also said let me know when you are going to cum, any experienced cocksucker knows when a man is going to cum.

I think prossies who charge £200 an hour and have CIM as £20 extra or OWO as £20 extra, making a normal punt £240 should stick to fucking their hubby.
Spot on and the exact approach I take. If the SP offers it, she should provide it, as long as the usual rules of hygiene apply. I don't pay extra for anything. She either offers a service I like or I take my money elsewhere. A prossie will only charge extra for any service, if she thinks she can get more cash out of you. This is business, after all!

Likewise, it's my contention that a lot of the older prossies who provide covered oral only do so because they already have an established punter base and would never have offered it in the first place, if they could. I'm sceptical that their decision is always based on hygiene grounds, even if that genuienly applies to some. I think some women simply wish to provide the bare minimum service they can get away with, whilst taking the maximum amount of money! I also think a great many aren't too happy being in this line of business (and who can blame them) but can find no comparable revenue stream, which offers such flexibility in terms of 'working hours' and yet allows them to be registered as 'unemployed', so they can sponge off the state and claim state benefits, as the vast majority of prossies I punt do. And I know they do because I speak to many post punt.  :hi:
« Last Edit: April 09, 2012, 01:03:59 PM by mattylondon »

Offline Blackkaht

I've punted twice in Florida, once in New York and the same in California, when on vacation. I wasn't even aware it was 'illegal'!?  :D And I always received oral without? Perhaps I just got lucky eh? Got to say though, French kissing wasn't on the menu for any of them, so in that sense, a little different when compared to the UK, very poor, in terms of quality.  :thumbsdown:

Can't make a comment on the OWO you received back home - maybe it was luck! Maybe they loved your foreign accent??!!!? :D

Now as to the kissing, a reason might be because of the fear of MONO.  A case of MONO will frighten you for life!  Several students caught it in my final year of school and missed graduation - it won't kill you but it is nasty. From junior high, we are taught that the mouth harbors loads of nasty bacteria, therefore random kissing is not going to be offered by a lot of service providers Stateside.  I, personally, do not know of any WG in my circle back Stateside that offers DFK - especially since some men's oral hygiene is questionable and if they then make the men go and brush their teeth, it may cause gum irritation, possibly leading to fissures and bleeding, which equals exposure to STD risk.


Offline mattylondon

Can't make a comment on the OWO you received back home - maybe it was luck! Maybe they loved your foreign accent??!!!? :D
I'll put it down to my persuasive charm then... or more likely my cash!  :D

Now as to the kissing, a reason might be because of the fear of MONO.  A case of MONO will frighten you for life! 
Interesting. There you go, something I've learned from you, as opposed to the other stuff! Mouthwash rules then?! Besides, a lot of Asian girls I've punted insist on that. I've never noticed that with British or European girls?

Offline Jimmyredcab

This woman has certainly convinced me not to attempt any punting on my next trip to Vegas, it appears American pro$$ies want to do even less than their British sisters.   :( :(

OWO in the UK is far more common than 20 years ago, I suspect the huge influx of Eastern Europeans may have been responsible for that, I can remember the days when even kissing was rare.   :crazy:

Offline mattylondon

This woman has certainly convinced me not to attempt any punting on my next trip to Vegas, it appears American pro$$ies want to do even less than their British sisters.   :( :(

OWO in the UK is far more common than 20 years ago, I suspect the huge influx of Eastern Europeans may have been responsible for that, I can remember the days when even kissing was rare.   :crazy:
My punts in the US were of the very last minute variety. I was going to do a two girl in Florida, where kissing and owo were on the menu, but got spooked when the two girls were sussed by the hotel staff!  :D What I would advise, is that you carry out a lot of research prior to going out there. The two sites I used exist here too, but I wouldn't dream of using them in the UK. They have the same types of indies there too, including the street walkers and the rest. It's clearly a lot more risky there and an outcall is going to be quite expensive. Whether you have the balls to try an incall out there is up to you. I like excitement and risk a little, so had no problem.
« Last Edit: April 09, 2012, 02:02:47 PM by mattylondon »

Offline Jimmyredcab

My punts in the US were of the very last minute variety. I was going to do a two girl in Florida, where kissing and owo were on the menu, but got spooked when the two girls were sussed by the hotel staff!  :D What I would advise, is that you carry out a lot of research prior to going out there. The two sites I used exist here too, but I wouldn't dream of using them in the UK. They have the same types of indies there too, including the street walkers and the rest. It's clearly a lot more risky there and an outcall is going to be quite expensive. Whether you have the balls to try an incall out there is up to you. I like excitement and risk a little, so had no problem.

I have no desire to punt in Vegas however I also don't rule it out, I would only consider the Indies who work the casinos, at least you have a chance to suss out their attitude over a drink. The problem with streetgirls is that you could approach a female copper.  :scare:

Offline smiths

I read a post on this forum who said that an Escort didn't do Oral without despite it being listed as a like on the Escort's service list.

The OP put it down to his age- however I am in the age/looks range whereby Escorts are supposedly more inclined to perform Oral Without.
  But even I have noticed that less and less Escorts are giving Oral Without- and when they do- they begrudgingly do so with the use of mouthwash, wet wipes and constantly complain about the taste of pre-cum.

Only 2 years ago O.W.O was commonplace with only the surcharge of £20 for CIM- another service that has all but disappeared from Escort likes lists. Can someone tell me what's going on?

I havent noticed any difference in reality myself in any age range. What i have clearly noticed are some WGs on punting forums who dont offer OWO posting how dangerous it is, in my opinion trying to scaremonger.

As long as a WG is freely offering it as a service and she is an adult its 100% her personal responsibilty to offer it or not, her choice, no one is forcing her.

I have absolutely no interest in my cock being sucked through a condom, what a turn-off, whatever next, OWO for me every time and long may this service be on offer.
« Last Edit: April 09, 2012, 03:43:38 PM by smiths »

Offline smiths

It's a health risk - the transmission of diseases from oral are rising rapidly.   

There are many diseases that now live in the back of the throat so a WG who gives OWO can potentially pass on diseases without knowing she is infected. 

In addition, a lot of sexually transmitted diseases have no visual symptoms, so just because a cock may look clean, it doesn't actually mean that the man is not infected with a STD. 

If you go to a GUM, they will make you aware that herpes, chlamydia and gonorrhoea are on the rise and the horribly frightening thing is they carry no symptoms.  For a WG who runs a back to back operation, she cannot brush her teeth as it may mean that she is running a risk of tearing her soft flesh around the gums, which may cause fissures and then she opens herself up to the disease creeping into her bloodstream.

The use of the mouthwash is used a basic form of an anti-viral - they hope the alcohol content will "kill off" any disease. Wet wipes used after sex are a bit of a no no to be honest - you might just spread whatever you have to any otherwise "untouched".

This works both ways - just because you go down on a woman who appears clean - doesn't mean she is! Especially since you can't exactly "see" up into her cavity.

There are a lot of transient sex workers who come from places like Eastern Europe/Asia/Africa who may appear healthy to look at but they are, in actual fact, riddled with diseases.  Best advice - rubber up!



Any sexual contact holds a risk, i punt on a risk to reward basis myself, BB penetration being a never outside a relationship, OWO being a reward worth the small risk involved. After never catching anything in years of punting and going to the GUM to confirm it i shall be continuing seeking it as an essential service.

OW, what an absolute turn-off and a never in this punting lifetime for me, i would rather have a wank. You do what you wish, i will do as i wish.

OWO seems normal my neck of the woods in scotland. However the other day for the first time ever, a girl refused to accept oral, and only did oral with.  Didnt bother getting her top off, and dressed afterwards without showering, more or less the perfect storm for a rubbish punt. . It was in "edinburghs top sauna", as they claim in their ads.

Offline smiths

I'd much rather act responsibly and cover up, thereby protecting my health and my client's health.  Nothing wrong with that. Running a successful business that involves being accountable for someone's life is a actually a heavy burden so I always treat people how I would want to be treated.  Would I like it if someone came to me knowing that they have an infectious STD and not make me aware? I certainly would not do it to a potential sex partner.  Life is a gamble enough already - let me try to control the risks where I can reasonably do so.

You come across as one of those that tries to impose their views on others to me, you do what you want to do and let other adults decide what they do. The clue is the word adult here, its a matter of an adults personal responsibility to do what they choose within the law. I despise Barebackers myself but the risk is not the same as it is with OWO, although some try to pretend it is.

Offline smiths

I answered your question - my bits go in - I'm a female.  Giving oral on a WG is fine as long as a dental damn is used would be my truthful advice. It may spoil the fun but it minimizes the risk of contracting a STD.  At the end of the day, every person weighs up the risk that they want to take and whether they want to give/receive oral with rubbers or not. 

In the UK, I have noticed dental dams are not used for oral on a woman but in North America, the majority of safe sane working girls always take dental dams to their appointments with them.

Going by people like you, doom merchants i will be needing to wear a contamination suit next, personally i couldnt care less what they do elsewhere, i punt here and will continue to punt as suits me.

Offline FUCK-CLUB

To get this thread back on topic- another question to ask punters.

You're getting OWO from Escorts but are they doing it with enthusiasm? People seem to think I have been refused OWO when I haven't- but what I do find is a lot of Escorts do it slowly with minimal touching and will often stop if I am close to CIM.

Now CIM is a service I am finding less and less on Adultwork profiles and I think this adds to Escorts who stop to reach for the wetwipes.


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