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Author Topic: Is O.W.O going out of fashion in the world of Escorts?  (Read 8816 times)

Offline FUCK-CLUB

I read a post on this forum who said that an Escort didn't do Oral without despite it being listed as a like on the Escort's service list.

The OP put it down to his age- however I am in the age/looks range whereby Escorts are supposedly more inclined to perform Oral Without.
  But even I have noticed that less and less Escorts are giving Oral Without- and when they do- they begrudgingly do so with the use of mouthwash, wet wipes and constantly complain about the taste of pre-cum.

Only 2 years ago O.W.O was commonplace with only the surcharge of £20 for CIM- another service that has all but disappeared from Escort likes lists. Can someone tell me what's going on?

Offline James999

But even I have noticed that less and less Escorts are giving Oral Without- and when they do- they begrudgingly do so with the use of mouthwash, wet wipes and constantly complain about the taste of pre-cum

Who have you experienced this with? Post some names and links and we can then see if it's common or if it's you  :sarcastic:

Offline Blackkaht

It's a health risk - the transmission of diseases from oral are rising rapidly.   

There are many diseases that now live in the back of the throat so a WG who gives OWO can potentially pass on diseases without knowing she is infected. 

In addition, a lot of sexually transmitted diseases have no visual symptoms, so just because a cock may look clean, it doesn't actually mean that the man is not infected with a STD. 

If you go to a GUM, they will make you aware that herpes, chlamydia and gonorrhoea are on the rise and the horribly frightening thing is they carry no symptoms.  For a WG who runs a back to back operation, she cannot brush her teeth as it may mean that she is running a risk of tearing her soft flesh around the gums, which may cause fissures and then she opens herself up to the disease creeping into her bloodstream.

The use of the mouthwash is used a basic form of an anti-viral - they hope the alcohol content will "kill off" any disease. Wet wipes used after sex are a bit of a no no to be honest - you might just spread whatever you have to any otherwise "untouched".

This works both ways - just because you go down on a woman who appears clean - doesn't mean she is! Especially since you can't exactly "see" up into her cavity.

There are a lot of transient sex workers who come from places like Eastern Europe/Asia/Africa who may appear healthy to look at but they are, in actual fact, riddled with diseases.  Best advice - rubber up!
« Last Edit: April 09, 2012, 10:02:43 AM by Blackkaht »

Offline Matium

Hmm.

Two newbies - one of whom sets up a poll on their very first post (in unnatural English) and the other replies in their very first post defending prossies who don't give OWO.

Could they both be masquerading prossies, I wonder?

Offline FUCK-CLUB

It's a health risk - the transmission of diseases from oral are rising rapidly.   

There are many diseases that now live in the back of the throat so a WG who gives OWO can potentially pass on diseases without knowing she is infected. 

In addition, a lot of sexually transmitted diseases have no visual symptoms, so just because a cock may look clean, it doesn't actually mean that the man is not infected with a STD. 

If you go to a GUM, they will make you aware that herpes, chlamydia and gonorrhoea are on the rise and the horribly frightening thing is they carry no symptoms.  For a WG who runs a back to back operation, she cannot brush her teeth as it may mean that she is running a risk of tearing her soft flesh around the gums, which may cause fissures and then she opens herself up to the disease creeping into her bloodstream.

The use of the mouthwash is used a basic form of an anti-viral - they hope the alcohol content will "kill off" any disease. Wet wipes used after sex are a bit of a no no to be honest - you might just spread whatever you have to any otherwise "untouched".

This works both ways - just because you go down on a woman who appears clean - doesn't mean she is! Especially since you can't exactly "see" up into her cavity.

There are a lot of transient sex workers who come from places like Eastern Europe/Asia/Africa who may appear healthy to look at but they are, in actual fact, riddled with diseases.  Best advice - rubber up!

Excellent post- should be a pinned topic.

My local Sexual Health walk in centre was unhelpful as they claimed my punting hobby was "low-risk" due to use of Condoms and the fact I only engaged in unprotected Oral giving/receiving.
I didn't believe this one bit as it sounded more like a ploy to de-populate the world via giving purposefully risky advice  :scare:

There is plenty of evidence that sex with women from certain foreign countries is risky as it is a question asked when you go to give blood- or when you get an STD check-up from a proper NHS hospital they say Prostitutes are risky therefore it should be Condom only and NO oral due to said herpes, chlamydia and gonorrhoea.

Also not forgetting that certain germs can lead to viruses that cause cancer of the mouth and a painful "jaw removal" surgery. I saw this documentary on TV about it so imagine how unimpressed I was when being told about my "low risk" hobby.

Offline FUCK-CLUB

Hmm.

Two newbies - one of whom sets up a poll on their very first post (in unnatural English) and the other replies in their very first post defending prossies who don't give OWO.

Could they both be masquerading prossies, I wonder?

Well I am hungover. This is an informal forum that isn't about essay writing- or correct use of English grammar.

I can assure you I am from the UK- white british, etc.

Offline James999

painful "jaw removal" surgery.

You say that as if there is also the option of Non Painfull Jaw removal surgery  :scare:

And I would have thought that the results of the surgery (No Jaw) would be of greater concern than the surgery, I mean how would they eat cakes then  :sarcastic:

Offline mattylondon

I read a post on this forum who said that an Escort didn't do Oral without despite it being listed as a like on the Escort's service list.

The OP put it down to his age- however I am in the age/looks range whereby Escorts are supposedly more inclined to perform Oral Without.
  But even I have noticed that less and less Escorts are giving Oral Without- and when they do- they begrudgingly do so with the use of mouthwash, wet wipes and constantly complain about the taste of pre-cum.

Only 2 years ago O.W.O was commonplace with only the surcharge of £20 for CIM- another service that has all but disappeared from Escort likes lists. Can someone tell me what's going on?
From what I've read on other forums, it appears to be the older, hardened hooker brigade who are sticking to their guns or have decided to stop providing this service. Prossies could only do that with confidence if they have an established punter base. That's their choice naturally. And I've noticed that they tend to be the ones charging upwards of £150 a hour. I think it can also depend on how insistent you are when enquiring about this service. No doubt if some prossies can get away without providing it, even if it's promised on their profile, they will. Probably also more an awareness of STDs and the like?

I tend to suspect its prossies who really don't want to be suck guys cocks for cash, but really need the money or have no other viable option where they can earn that amount of money for so little effort. Therefore, if they can still rake in the dough by providing a minimum amount of services and effort, they will. Who knows?

But as with most things, market forces will dictate and most will do it, even if they'd rather not.

Offline Blackkaht

Hmm.

the other replies in their very first post defending prossies who don't give OWO.

Could they both be masquerading prossies, I wonder?

I'm not a punter - never said I was. I gave a reasoned response to a genuine question. I live both in North America and the UK - so very well versed with both means of health treatment in the two countries.  In the UK, I find doctors are far more willing to dispense medication when you approach them with a sniffle, whereas in North America, they send you for a battery of tests first. When you give out antibiotics like Smarties, the ability to treat the disease lowers as immunity builds up, hence making curing a STD harder to do so. 

Offline mattylondon

I'm not a punter - never said I was. I gave a reasoned response to a genuine question. I live both in North America and the UK - so very well versed with both means of health treatment in the two countries.  In the UK, I find doctors are far more willing to dispense medication when you approach them with a sniffle, whereas in North America, they send you for a battery of tests first. When you give out antibiotics like Smarties, the ability to treat the disease lowers as immunity builds up, hence making curing a STD harder to do so. 
Then you could at least do us the courtesy of stating what your gender is please, so the men who do punt on here have some context and know where you're coming from. You do sound like a woman to me and it's the type of argument I've read on Saafe, which is obviously run by women for women. And does a woman 'rubber up', when you go down on her then?!  :D

And if you're not a punter or prossie, what are you doing on here? This is a punting forum, after all.
« Last Edit: April 09, 2012, 10:52:24 AM by mattylondon »

Offline Blackkaht

I'd much rather act responsibly and cover up, thereby protecting my health and my client's health.  Nothing wrong with that. Running a successful business that involves being accountable for someone's life is a actually a heavy burden so I always treat people how I would want to be treated.  Would I like it if someone came to me knowing that they have an infectious STD and not make me aware? I certainly would not do it to a potential sex partner.  Life is a gamble enough already - let me try to control the risks where I can reasonably do so.

Offline mattylondon

I'd much rather act responsibly and cover up, thereby protecting my health and my client's health.  Nothing wrong with that. Running a successful business that involves being accountable for someone's life is a actually a heavy burden so I always treat people how I would want to be treated.  Would I like it if someone came to me knowing that they have an infectious STD and not make me aware? I certainly would not do it to a potential sex partner.  Life is a gamble enough already - let me try to control the risks where I can reasonably do so.
So if we take your line of arument, then I assume you're recommending not to give any prossies oral, yes?

Can you answer my question. Are you male or female?

Offline Blackkaht

Then you could at least do us the courtesy of stating what your gender is please, so the men who do punt on here have some context and know where you're coming from. You do sound like a woman to me and it's the type of argument I've read on Saafe, which is obviously run by women for women. And does a woman 'rubber up', when you go down on her then?!  :D

And if you're not a punter or prossie, what are you doing on here? This is a punting forum, after all.

Gender:  Female
Occupation: Sensual Service Provider
Reason for being here: To learn
Reason for replying to this post: To inform the OP of why WG's do not like/offer OWO

 

Offline daveev

11 escorts in two years, not one came close to covering my cock for oral, so i defo dont think times are changing

Offline mattylondon

Gender:  Female
Occupation: Sensual Service Provider
Reason for being here: To learn
Reason for replying to this post: To inform the OP of why WG's do not like/offer OWO
I'd guessed that, but thank you. I've got no problem with you arguing your case, but the context in which you did that was important to know. What are you looking to learn exactly because if you're genuinely looking to learn, you'll probably find that most punters prefer oral without!  :D Not a lesson you're likely to take on board, is it?  :)

So I assume that you'd recommend guys don't go down on a woman then? I've yet to see a woman 'rubber up' to receive oral! What I do find curious is that even those women who choose only to provide covered oral, which is their right, still openly state they're happy for a guy to go down on them with no protection. Double standards, isn't it? And yes, I note your comment on aspects of that earlier.
« Last Edit: April 09, 2012, 11:01:12 AM by mattylondon »

Offline Blackkaht

So if we take your line of arument, then I assume you're recommending not to give any prossies oral, yes?

Can you answer my question. Are you male or female?

I answered your question - my bits go in - I'm a female.  Giving oral on a WG is fine as long as a dental damn is used would be my truthful advice. It may spoil the fun but it minimizes the risk of contracting a STD.  At the end of the day, every person weighs up the risk that they want to take and whether they want to give/receive oral with rubbers or not. 

In the UK, I have noticed dental dams are not used for oral on a woman but in North America, the majority of safe sane working girls always take dental dams to their appointments with them.

Offline Joe Blob

11 escorts in two years, not one came close to covering my cock for oral, so i defo dont think times are changing

I think the change is that more girls are charging extra for it, possibly as result of falling prices. We seem to be in the Ryanair age of punting at the moment, where the low 'headline price' doesn't always include everything you'd expect

Offline mattylondon

I answered your question - my bits go in - I'm a female.  Giving oral on a WG is fine as long as a dental damn is used would be my truthful advice. It may spoil the fun but it minimizes the risk of contracting a STD.  At the end of the day, every person weighs up the risk that they want to take and whether they want to give/receive oral with rubbers or not. 

In the UK, I have noticed dental dams are not used for oral on a woman but in North America, the majority of safe sane working girls always take dental dams to their appointments with them.
Dental dam? I'm sorry, but I can't take your line of arument seriously! As for your 'bits going in', that makes no difference.

Listen. This is a punter's forum, created for the benefit of punters. Most punters that I know of enjoy oral without and yes, it may come with an associated risk, but it's a risk that many consider worth taking, including me. It's also true that STDs can be caught even when using a condom, isn't it? One of my family has worked in sexual health clinics, so I know this to be a categoric fact. The risk is just minimised. If we took your line of arument to it's extreme, we'd abolish prostitution and be done with it!

I risk my neck every time I get into my car and drive, trusting that some idiot won't crash into me. I take a risk crossing a busy high street or catching a train to work.

The argument you're employing has been parroted on Saafe again and again. I've read it and know the arument well. You sound to me like a member of that forum. Now one thing. You've come onto a punting board to argue for a service that's in direct conflict with the interest of an awful lot of punters, so if you want to take anything away from your learning experience, then you should know that. I'd even argue that what you're advocating goes against the ethos of this board, in fact.

And dental dams?  :lol:



« Last Edit: April 09, 2012, 11:18:18 AM by mattylondon »

Offline Blackkaht

:D Not a lesson you're likely to take on board, is it?  :) [/b]

So I assume that you'd recommend guys don't go down on a woman then? I've yet to see a woman 'rubber up' to receive oral! What I do find curious is that even those women who choose only to provide covered oral, which is their right, still openly state they're happy for a guy to go down on them with no protection. Double standards, isn't it? And yes, I note your comment on aspects of that earlier.


I'm always open to learn things but you're right - I would certainly not offer OWO - I might know where my mouth has been but I certainly would not know where a man's cock has been!  There is just no way I want to risk it - prevention is always better than cure!

Feel free to go down on a woman - the choice is always personal at the end of the day.  WG's in North America most certainly rubber up to receive oral - well certainly a large percentage anyway.  The pussy is such a delicate little thing really -  :lol:  fingers, tongues and cocks disturb the natural ph balance of the pussy, it surprises me that so many women who are WGs have upteen numbers of different ones poking and prodding them on a daily basis without proper protection.  If you see a WG who runs a production line, she fucks you at 14:00 for an hour, then her next appointment is 15:00 - she leaves a five minute opportunity to clean her pussy at the end of your appointment time - that is not an ideal situation for a myriad of reasons.  Same argument to be made with oral on a guy. 

It only takes a finger that has a minute cut pushed up a pussy to possibly transmit some nasty virus.

If I play, I play clean. 

Offline mattylondon


I'm always open to learn things but you're right - I would certainly not offer OWO - I might know where my mouth has been but I certainly would not know where a man's cock has been!  There is just no way I want to risk it - prevention is always better than cure!

If I play, I play clean.
I'm not arguing against your personal values. I have doubts about your sincerity, however, in being 'willing to learn' by being here.  :rolleyes:

It's your body and your right to do with it as you will. I'm simply saying that you're advocating a line that's not going to do you any favours on here, in my opinion. It's the same type of line where prostitutes have come on here and tried to justify what many of us would consider to be very high fees for a service.

My impression of this board is that it's about receiving the best possible service and great value for money. Certainly not justifying very high rates or recommending withdrawing services that many guys and some women too, in fact, like.

You're swimming against the tide here and if you're genuinely coming on here to learn, you should know that.  :hi:
« Last Edit: April 09, 2012, 11:25:22 AM by mattylondon »

Offline Blackkaht

I take your point of this being a forum for punters - no need to constantly reiterate that fact.  It does not, however, preclude a reasoned discussion from two different points of views.  I respect your argument, surely you can respect mine?  I am not here to "change" any punter's mind - just give a reason as to why OWO is not as popular as it once was. 

As you state, everyone knows risks exist with every action you do - whether you drive or punt - there is a risk. 

I've been to a few GUM clinics in London and each one of them operated differently.  Not all of them ran tests for every STD - only prevalent ones.  I was even told by one of them that they cannot test for chlamydia as I was not in the catchment age of 14-25!  Another told me that they don't do routine testing for Herpes as 90 percent of the population have one version of it anyway!! Umm?? Hello??

As for being a member of SAAFE, I've read many posts on there, just as I have read on here, but have not posted yet.  I have posted on 
auto-censored though.

BTW, that dental dam pic is hilarious!  In North America, they resemble Clingfilm so it is not an eyesore at all and the client can see your pussy- it's just covered by a thin layer of protective material. There is no loss of sensation at all! 

Offline mattylondon

I take your point of this being a forum for punters - no need to constantly reiterate that fact.  It does not, however, preclude a reasoned discussion from two different points of views.  I respect your argument, surely you can respect mine?  I am not here to "change" any punter's mind - just give a reason as to why OWO is not as popular as it once was. 

As you state, everyone knows risks exist with every action you do - whether you drive or punt - there is a risk. 

I've been to a few GUM clinics in London and each one of them operated differently.  Not all of them ran tests for every STD - only prevalent ones.  I was even told by one of them that they cannot test for chlamydia as I was not in the catchment age of 14-25!  Another told me that they don't do routine testing for Herpes as 90 percent of the population have one version of it anyway!! Umm?? Hello??


I happen to be reasonably informed about this area too. In fact, Herpes cannot be tested for either and can be caught even if a guy wears a condom. It can only been diagnosed when the condition appears. Therefore, if you wish to take this conversation to another level, should we completely abolish prostitution because of that associated risk?

All of this stuff is about minimising the risk. We all take calculated risks every day, don't we? I simply happen to lesson my risk by wearing a condom when having sex, but know that I could still contract an STD, such as Herpes. You draw the line a little higher.

 I didn't say anything about your view not being a legitimate one, simply that in flies in the face of the ethos of UKP in my opinion. And yes, I saw it fit to drive home that point to you! Your argument may find more favour on Saafe or Prossient, but not here, even if it's a perfectly legitmate for you to argue for covered oral only. That arugment is of no benefit to the punter. We aren't completely stupid. We're aware of the risks! I've also pointed out to you that covered oral won't stop you from contracting Herpes.  :hi:

In my opinon, you're arguing for something that's not of benefit to punters. And I should also point out to you, as you seem to be a little naive on this, many women love to provide owo too, depending on hygiene naturlaly.  :hi:

Offline Blackkaht

I'm not arguing against your personal values. I have doubts about your sincerity, however, in being 'willing to learn' by being here.  :rolleyes:

It's your body and your right to do with it as you will. I'm simply saying that you're advocating a line that's not going to do you any favours on here, in my opinion. It's the same type of line where prostitutes have come on here and tried to justify what many of us would consider to be very high fees for a service.

My impression of this board is that it's about receiving the best possible service and great value for money. Certainly not justifying very high rates or recommending withdrawing services that many guys and some women too, in fact, like.

You're swimming against the tide here and if you're genuinely coming on here to learn, you should know that.  :hi:

I'm not swimming anywhere - as I stated previously, I have no intention to change anyone's thoughts or persuade anyone to change their criteria for a punt.  Those who wish to have OWO will seek out WGs who provide it and those who don't, won't.  The older WGs who no longer offer OWO may do so because they may have experienced a health scare - who knows?

The ethos of this board is to help punters find VFM from WGs and to seek out and expose scammers - that's evident.  It doesn't mean that a post offering an explanation and/or reason to a question should be labelled "insincere".  The OP asked his question and I offered "an" answer.  Not "the" answer. Nothing is definite here.

Offline mattylondon

The ethos of this board is to help punters find VFM from WGs and to seek out and expose scammers - that's evident.  It doesn't mean that a post offering an explanation and/or reason to a question should be labelled "insincere". 
Quite right. And it's also against the ethos of UKP, in my opinion, to argue for withdrawing a service that the vast majority of punters enjoy. So yes, you are swimming against the tide. And in that context, your argument is for Saafe, where it will find traction.  :hi:

Offline Jimmyredcab

Prostitutes have the right to refuse the OWO service ------------- I only see a problem when they offer it in their profile and then come out with some stupid excuse when the punter arrives, that amounts to fraud and deception.


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