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Offline Jimmyredcab

I don't regard a PCSO as a "policeman" ---------- however not a good advert for the policeforce ------ oops sorry it is now called the police "service".   :rolleyes:

Lady Poppy

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Quote from: Jimmyredcab
I don't regard a PCSO as a "policeman" ---------- however not a good advert for the policeforce ------ oops sorry it is now called the police "service".   :rolleyes:

You are quite right Jimmy PCSO's are not policeman.  They can not arrest anyone, they don't carry arms, they do not have the same vigorous training and do not need any particular qualifications to do their job.  They are merely meant to be the 'eyes and ears' of the police and there to inform.  Even in an attack situation, they are not meant to get involved, but report the incident.  They visit elderly, they check on victims of crime and the walk the beat that in the old days real police would have walked.

Don't get me wrong, in some ways they do a good job, but they are DEFINITELY NOT police!

I'm pretty sure this person would have been asked to declare 'any other business concerns' when they joined and has obviously been telling porky pies.  Me thinks he will be in very hot water now.

Offline Jimmyredcab

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You are quite right Jimmy PCSO's are not policeman. 


They are a total waste of space, well most of them anyway, by the appearance of some of them the only qualification must be able to walk and talk.

ladyofthemansion

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Quote from: Lady Poppy

You are quite right Jimmy PCSO's are not policeman.  They can not arrest anyone, they don't carry arms, they do not have the same vigorous training and do not need any particular qualifications to do their job.  They are merely meant to be the 'eyes and ears' of the police and there to inform.  Even in an attack situation, they are not meant to get involved, but report the incident.  They visit elderly, they check on victims of crime and the walk the beat that in the old days real police would have walked.

Don't get me wrong, in some ways they do a good job, but they are DEFINITELY NOT police!

I'm pretty sure this person would have been asked to declare 'any other business concerns' when they joined and has obviously been telling porky pies.  Me thinks he will be in very hot water now.

I thought they could arrest but only hold someone for a maximum of 20 minutes.

ladyofthemansion

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They are a total waste of space, well most of them anyway, by the appearance of some of them the only qualification must be able to walk and talk.

I had to laugh. A couple of years ago I got chatting to this guy in a bar who said he was a copper.

Police had to attend our working flat a few days later along with PCOs and there he was. I said to him "I thought you said you were a copper." Have never seen a man go so crimson in my life.

Mellow

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The local "scrotes" play a game with them. They spit in their faces, laugh and wait for them to call the police. The game is on, how long can they wait before the real police show up and they have to run away?

Lady Poppy

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I thought they could arrest but only hold someone for a maximum of 20 minutes.

Not unless it has changed.  I just found this list of their powers.

What powers will they have?

All PCSOs will have the following powers:


Issuing of fixed penalty notices (e.g. riding on footpath; dog fouling; litter)
Power to confiscate alcohol and tobacco
Power to demand the name and address of a person acting in an anti-social manner
Power of entry to save life or prevent damage
Removal of abandoned vehicles

More can be found on External Link/Members Only

afriendofafriend

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Which alleged brothel were they allegedly running?

AFoAF

Jacob

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Which alleged brothel were they allegedly running?
AFoAF

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Story is here...
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"after Herts Police raided a residential property in Silam Road in the town on July 21"

Not my area but sounds like that would have been the place as the article also mentions the PCSO's address.

afriendofafriend

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Google findth not anything to do with escorts on Silam Road in MK but I would be surprised if an alleged brothel would post their street address on their web site.

Any idea where they went wrong vs the previous MK gold standard brothel multiplex?

AFoAF

Brian

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Google findth not anything to do with escorts on Silam Road in MK

It is Stevenage not MK. There is some suggestion on %%% that the lady named in the article is the very well-established Kim of Stevenage. But she still is still operating and has an advert running in the Comet this week.

Jacob

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I think Silam Road is in Stevenage (SG1), sounds like it was a local rag 'classifieds' job or similar. As I say not my area so would never have cum across it anyways.

This has a little more info about the PCSO, where he was based.

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No AW profiles in SG1 that haven't logged in since July, could check PN FR's but I can't be arsed.

Anyway, it's closed down now I assume.

afriendofafriend

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Ah, forgive me - yet another punter that thinks MK is the hub of the brothel universe.  Of course, the Herts rozzers would be out of their bailiwick in MK by a long chalk.

I thought Silam Road sounded familiar.  But I haven't been to Kim's in quite some time.  Was only there twice to see the BJ Queen of Herts, Rebecca, ex Bluebells of that parish.  Sadly disappeared (again) AFAIK.

AFoAF

Brian

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I wonder if this PCSO will go to prison.

Lady Poppy

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They would likely want to make an example of him, yes.

Mellow

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They would likely want to make an example of him, yes.

...without a doubt, he'd end up in the "Nonces" wing too.

Brian

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Hmm, members of this board have no sympathy for him then?

Offline Jimmyredcab

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Hmm, members of this board have no sympathy for him then?


Why should we have sympathy for him ??????????

Running a brothel is illegal, he got caught, now he has to face the consequences.

Brian

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There is a lot of debate about this story on the %%% messageboard and some bloke is alleging that the woman involved is the well known Kim of Stevenage. But I don't think it is her as she is not married.

ladyofthemansion

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Quote from: Brian
There is a lot of debate about this story on the %%% messageboard and some bloke is alleging that the woman involved is the well known Kim of Stevenage. But I don't think it is her as she is not married.

If you dont think its her why mention her name in the first place????

Mellow

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Quote from: Brian
There is a lot of debate about this story on the %%% messageboard and some bloke is alleging that the woman involved is the well known Kim of Stevenage. But I don't think it is her as she is not married.
How would you know if this Kim of Stevenage is not married. Did you get that from a third party? or directly from the prossie herself, for what that's probably worth?

Brian

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Because I am banned from %%% so I have been unable to reply to the false information on there. It is besmirching Kim's good name and it is good that I can put the record straight on here.

afriendofafriend

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Good old "Brian", defender of the good name of Herts prossies.  What would they do without you?

I have some sympathy for the dude who was busted, CSO or wotnot.  He was allegedoing exactly the same as the oft lauded houses in MK do yet he got busted in Herts for what passes for acceptable in Bucks.

THAT stinks... no matter what the quality of the girls he provided "employment" for or how dumb he was to get caught.

AFoAF

Offline Jimmyredcab

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I have some sympathy for the dude who was busted, CSO or wotnot.  He was allegedoing exactly the same as the oft lauded houses in MK do yet he got busted in Herts for what passes for acceptable in Bucks.

THAT stinks...

There has never been consistency in the way prostitution is handled by the authorities, Manchester is another area where they seem very tolerant to massage parlours whereas some London boroughs will close them down as quickly as they open.

Jacob

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.....He was allegedoing exactly the same as the oft lauded houses in MK do yet he got busted in Herts for what passes for acceptable in Bucks.
AFoAF

It's worse than that. Thames Valley Police who cover Buckinghamshire seemingly have a 'zero tolerence' policy in other areas, Oxfordshire is an example of this.

Brian

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Good old "Brian", defender of the good name of Herts prossies.  What would they do without you?


Thanks. Kim of Stevenage is a lady who works alone therefore she does not run a brothel. So it is nice to be able to put the record straight and say that she is not the lady involved in the article about the PCSO.

The clampdown by the police in Stevenage started when Madam Becky's Kittens opened a branch in the town. A local WG took it upon herself to phone the police 40 times a day saying that there were dodgy punters hanging around in the car park behind the Kittens flat and so it wasn't safe for the local children. This was of course total bullshit. But the police had to act and they closed a number of flats around Stevenage a few days later.

Mellow

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Thanks. Kim of Stevenage is a lady who works alone therefore she does not run a brothel. So it is nice to be able to put the record straight and say that she is not the lady involved in the article about the PCSO.

The clampdown by the police in Stevenage started when Madam Becky's Kittens opened a branch in the town. A local WG took it upon herself to phone the police 40 times a day saying that there were dodgy punters hanging around in the car park behind the Kittens flat and so it wasn't safe for the local children. This was of course total bullshit. But the police had to act and they closed a number of flats around Stevenage a few days later.

Forgive me if I sound stupid, Brian. How do you know all this? Especially of Police "Intelligence" (oxymoron aside)?

afriendofafriend

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Forgive me if I sound stupid, Brian. How do you know all this? Especially of Police "Intelligence" (oxymoron aside)?

I've always wondered,too, about the inside info proffered even when "Brian" was being a troll on PN.

I have been at Kim's when there was at least one other girl present - I was with that girl a few times at her place.

AFoAF

Mellow

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I've always wondered,too, about the inside info proffered even when "Brian" was being a troll on PN.
I never believed him to be trolling there, still don't

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I have been at Kim's when there was at least one other girl present - I was with that girl a few times at her place.

So you, AFOAF are suggesting that Kim the brothel keeper just got lucky at the time of the clampdown. hmm

afriendofafriend

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Hmm, memory defects abound and time for trawling through old posts limited but ISTR that Brian himself allowed that he was intentionally provocative over on the other site under a different moniker. 

I am not saying that Kim is/was a brothel keeper nor am I passing comment on her luck, local connections or the efficacy of Stevenage copper's enforcement programmes.

As Joe Friday said "Just the facts" (wiki Dragnet if you don't get my drift)

AFoAF

Brian

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Yes, as previously explained on here - the character of "Interested" on %%% was a spoof. I have not been trolling at all since I joined UKP.

Anyway, if you still think Kim is the lady featured in this news article, then what was the name of the road you visited her premises on? The article names Silam Road and Kim has not operated from there.

afriendofafriend

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Discretion!  I used to park in the swimming pool car park and walk just a few minutes up the hill.

Do local papers ever get details wrong?  Do members of this board ever have sex with people that aren't their partners?  ;-)

AFoAF

House Of Divine

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Good old "Brian", defender of the good name of Herts prossies.  What would they do without you?

I have some sympathy for the dude who was busted, CSO or wotnot.  He was allegedoing exactly the same as the oft lauded houses in MK do yet he got busted in Herts for what passes for acceptable in Bucks.

THAT stinks... no matter what the quality of the girls he provided "employment" for or how dumb he was to get caught.

AFoAF

He is not doing anything similar to the brothels in MK he is an acting Police officer of sorts. Have you actually looked at the internet there are thousands of brothels in EVERY town in the country and they have been around undisturbed for a lot longer than any of the MK establishments.

For the record my husband left the police force 9 years ago so why are people still so bloody bothered about it. This guy was an acting officer of sorts so it was inevitable he would get busted the rest of us just do what we can, while we can and it is strangely the same punters that slag us off that use us daily whilst in that very British fashion wring their hands and shake their heads when a brothel is busted.

Mellow

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and it is strangely the same punters that slag us off that use us daily whilst in that very British fashion wring their hands and shake their heads when a brothel is busted.
Why is it so strange that punters are concerned about their welfare when visiting illegal brothels?

afriendofafriend

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HoD has hit it on the head.  Don't try to play on both sides of the street - you get run over.  I've never slagged off HoD, thought they should be in line for some kind of award for "Services to former and current members of the Armed Services" or something a bit grand.  Royal Warrant?  Probably not ;-)

Mellow!  ALL brothels are illegal.  Sole practitioners are not doing anything illegal, ie. not running a brothel but the law has set a very low threshold for "organised" sex trade. If you are very risk adverse, only visit indies and make sure they aren't sharing accommodation.

I understand that two ladies alternating days in a flat are running a brothel even if they don't share income/clients/anybloodything.  So how far in time does it take for a given flat to become a non-brothel?  An interesting legal conundrum.

I once knew an escort that shared a flat with another prossie and it wasn't a brothel - the other "girl" was a transsexual.

I wonder about hotels... how likely is it that a given Holiday Inn etc might have more than one prossie in residence in a given day/week/month?  Does that mean that I am running a risk if I book a room to have an out call service there?  Am I then brothelkeeping??? Is the hotel?  ;-)

The law is an ass but it has a nasty bite.

AFoAF

Offline Jimmyredcab

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Why is it so strange that punters are concerned about their welfare when visiting illegal brothels?


It is not against the law to visit an "illegal" brothel -------- unless the girls are found to be trafficked against their will.

Brian

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Discretion!  I used to park in the swimming pool car park and walk just a few minutes up the hill.

Do local papers ever get details wrong?  Do members of this board ever have sex with people that aren't their partners?  ;-)

AFoAF

Yes this place you visited for Kim was not in Silam Road. The place named in the paper is Silam Road and the paper would most certainly have got the details right as they are quoting details of a court case.


Brian

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And another update...

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It has never been established if this is actually Kim of Stevenage.

Wife4rent

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Brian

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No, they get paid about 25k a year. The hobby bobbies work free of charge in the evening and at weekends.

James999

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And another update...

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It has never been established if this is actually Kim of Stevenage.

Then Stop mentioning her Fucking name, it seems YOU who keep linking the story to Kim (Whoever the fuck she is) oh and PLEASE don't spend ages telling us who she is.

Offline Marmalade

Well said, James. Brian is the pet gremlin on here. Not exactly a troll, more just an annoying little ****. He'll complain I'm ganging up on him in a minute. But actually the puzzle is why we put up with him. Someone who has time and energy will clobber him when he goes over the score.

:rolleyes: :cool:  :blush:

Brian: we're trying to be nice to you mate . . .  :kiss:

Lucy chambers

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Are you mean men picking on poor Bri again? Dont you know the time and effort he and Interested put into to being Top Mole/Master of the Game?

Gosh.


 :sarcastic:

Brian

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Actually, a number of people on %%% said it was Kim when the story first broke in the papers. But I said I don't think it is her.

Prices Slashed

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Unless there was another prossie in the Brent Court tower on Silam Road, Stevenage then take it from me...it was Kim.

James999

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Unless there was another prossie in the Brent Court tower on Silam Road, Stevenage then take it from me...it was Kim.

So are you telling us that Brian was lying to us all of the time?

Prices Slashed

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Time is key here. She was raided in July (Brent Court flat). She then started working elsewhere in Stevenage, reportedly her home. It appears that she has given even this up as her ad is no longer in the Comet.

JohnScragg

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Just found this article after much searching to find out what happened to Kim. I was a regular of Kim's and was one of those 'special' clients allowed to ignore the 'no sex without' rule that was scrawlled on a little scrap of paper and stuck to the wardrobe door. I knew her as Debbie, knew she was married and knew she has a grown up daughter so put her age at mid-40s (mind you, in Stevenage there are plenty of 30-something grandmothers). She did work with a succession of other girls, but never more than one other at a time. Most seemed to last a few months before falling out with her and being replaced.