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Offline rthunderbird

Presumably many of you guys have had decades in the punting scene, saw many girls, used many agencies and parted with loads of cash so let me ask you this.

Have you ever considered taking your hard earned cash and setting up an agency in your local (or not local area)

If not why not?
If so why didn't you?

Obviously there are many risks personally and financially but seen as you are a customer of the industry and know it pretty much inside out from what punters like to what the WGs like out of an agency have you never considered taking that plunge?

Just thought it might be worth a discussion, also bonus points for whoever can come up with the best agency name.

Offline smiths

Presumably many of you guys have had decades in the punting scene, saw many girls, used many agencies and parted with loads of cash so let me ask you this.

Have you ever considered taking your hard earned cash and setting up an agency in your local (or not local area)

If not why not?
If so why didn't you?

Obviously there are many risks personally and financially but seen as you are a customer of the industry and know it pretty much inside out from what punters like to what the WGs like out of an agency have you never considered taking that plunge?

Just thought it might be worth a discussion, also bonus points for whoever can come up with the best agency name.

Its far too risky legally for my liking, apart from possibly getting done for controlling prostitutes for gain you could also get done by the taxman and POCA which could seize all your assets and ruin you financially.

Offline arthur

sounds a dangerous game, ive always thought a big part of agencies is protection for girls, and the turf wars involved suggest you need a big team

also having read a few profiles in my time it seems girls are regularly asked if they need drivers, photographers, or the protection to work for someone else; so a fair few have probably tried their luck thinking starting an agency is an easy way to get in with a few girls for free shags.

Offline smiths

sounds a dangerous game, ive always thought a big part of agencies is protection for girls, and the turf wars involved suggest you need a big team

also having read a few profiles in my time it seems girls are regularly asked if they need drivers, photographers, or the protection to work for someone else; so a fair few have probably tried their luck thinking starting an agency is an easy way to get in with a few girls for free shags.

You couldn't be further from the truth with many Agencies, its one person running it from their parents back bedroom, all that's needed is a mobile and computer. That person like Max Angel of Maxes Angels for example can like him be a real scumbag of the highest order though.

Offline rthunderbird

You couldn't be further from the truth with many Agencies, its one person running it from their parents back bedroom, all that's needed is a mobile and computer. That person like Max Angel of Maxes Angels for example can like him be a real scumbag of the highest order though.

True but to be successful you'd ideally need a good bankroll is well to cover costs of a website and potentially locations for your girls to work out of. Considering it is such a grey area in the law you'd have to be very careful. I imagine it is quite profitable though.

Offline arthur

You couldn't be further from the truth with many Agencies, its one person running it from their parents back bedroom, all that's needed is a mobile and computer. That person like Max Angel of Maxes Angels for example can like him be a real scumbag of the highest order though.

I was definitely using a lot of guesswork, or my perception of it as ive never really understood the point of agencies or what they provide over just booking an indie girl.
Thinking about I recall reading a thread on safe where someone was using a 'casting couch' scenario for new girls on AW and just getting free shags. Surprised how easy it seemed to get girls working for you.

Offline rthunderbird

I was definitely using a lot of guesswork, or my perception of it as ive never really understood the point of agencies or what they provide over just booking an indie girl.
Thinking about I recall reading a thread on safe where someone was using a 'casting couch' scenario for new girls on AW and just getting free shags. Surprised how easy it seemed to get girls working for you.

Some girls like to use them for the convenience, as agencies tend to supply the places to work, the condoms etc, the security and they give them some nice publicity. Especially for girls looking for some short term cash they can just join an agency, spend a few weeks working and then depart. They don't have to worry about the aforementioned costs and risks.

Offline smiths

True but to be successful you'd ideally need a good bankroll is well to cover costs of a website and potentially locations for your girls to work out of. Considering it is such a grey area in the law you'd have to be very careful. I imagine it is quite profitable though.

Smart Agency pimps don't provide the WGs premises. that's down to the WG and means they cant also get done for running a brothel which is a VERY easy nick for the police if they decide to raid. If a pimp does provide the premises thus making it a brothel legally I class it as a parlour/brothel set-up rather than an Agency.

It can certainly be a very profitable way of getting money, leeching off willing WGs and agreeing a cut of at least a third of their fees, money for old rope until or unless you get nicked.

Offline smiths

I was definitely using a lot of guesswork, or my perception of it as ive never really understood the point of agencies or what they provide over just booking an indie girl.
Thinking about I recall reading a thread on safe where someone was using a 'casting couch' scenario for new girls on AW and just getting free shags. Surprised how easy it seemed to get girls working for you.

In my area, London all Agencies do is ensure the price a punter pays is more than with many Indies to pay for the pimps cut. Some Agencies also may offer a 24/7 service unlike many Indies and have a choice of WGs, both of those I don't require. There are though big regional differences on prices so in some areas an Agency may be better VFM than many Indies.

Offline rthunderbird

Smart Agency pimps don't provide the WGs premises. that's down to the WG and means they cant also get done for running a brothel which is a VERY easy nick for the police if they decide to raid. If a pimp does provide the premises thus making it a brothel legally I class it as a parlour/brothel set-up rather than an Agency.

It can certainly be a very profitable way of getting money, leeching off willing WGs and agreeing a cut of at least a third of their fees, money for old rope until or unless you get nicked.

I thought to be a brothel you had to have two or more WGs inside it? And aye nicked and then get it all took off you. I'm just curious how one would find themselves in that situation to begin with. Who sits there and goes "Right I am going to run an escort service".

Offline smiths

I thought to be a brothel you had to have two or more WGs inside it? And aye nicked and then get it all took off you. I'm just curious how one would find themselves in that situation to begin with. Who sits there and goes "Right I am going to run an escort service".

A premises can be a brothel if only 1 WG works out of it BUT at some other time another WG works out of the same premises, this is why a parlour/brothel which has only 1 WG per day in it but a different WG every day is still a brothel.

Quite a few ex-WGs run Agencies and parlours/brothels, they saw the money their pimp could make and thought they want some of that. Its a business made of straw though which at any time could come crashing down, though some have been going for years of course, just depends on the views of the top cops in any given area. If the top cop is a real god botherer he or she might decide on a zero tolerance policy.

With POCA they could decide to let a pimp operate for however long knowing they would of made a nice sum and then raid and try to seize their assets, a nice little earner. A brief true story, a brothel got robbed by low lifes so the pimp rang the police for help, the police arrived and the end result was the robbers weren't caught but the pimp was convicted and financially ruined by POCA.

Offline NIK

As members might expect I had go at it. In short it was a disaster.  :blush:
I paste the relevant extract from my book for members' edification and entertainment!  :D

‘If you can’t beat ‘em join ‘em’ is an old adage that I once attempted to employ with regard to paid sex. After splashing thousands of pounds on punting I decided it was time I actually started to make something out of it by establishing my own escort agency. I can’t recall exactly when this was, either I didn’t keep a detail of it, or very likely it was in the summer of ’99, the ‘lost’ months during which so much seemed to happen.
I do know it was during the summer months as I thought that I would have more time to service the dozens of customers my excellent agency was sure to attract. I would undercut all competitors with my keen prices - £80 an hour (thirty for me, fifty for the lady) - and my beautiful girls. Of course with the cold reality of hindsight the holiday season is perhaps the worst time to begin such a venture, but I thought little of that: I had my car, I had my mobile, I had the experience of knowing what punters wanted, three fifths of all that was required to become a perfect pimp. Now all I needed were the beautiful girls and the slavering clients, both of whom would soon be queuing up to help me make my fortune.
I can’t remember what I called my agency; Greek mythological names were always popular for some reason, so Aphrodite’s and Ariadne’s were two a penny with the odd Roman nod such as Venus’s occasionally thrown in. Whatever it was named my advert was soon displayed for all to see in the Sheffield Star, which at the time was still the main source of escort and massage ads. Who needed one of those new-fangled and complicated web sites which would never take off? A mobile and a motor were all that the successful agency owner required. I’d paid my not insubstantial advertising fee and ‘Ambitious new escort agency seeks attractive staff,’ was boldly displayed every day for a couple of weeks. All I had to do was sit back, wait for the telephone to trill and the cash to come crashing in.
The telephone did indeed trill, unfortunately not as often as I would have liked and not with attractive young ladies, but with a number of guys evidently believing themselves to be potential studs. ‘I’m sorry,’ I told them, ‘I’m only looking for females.’
 ‘Why didn’t you say that then?’ they invariably peevishly asked.
Back I went to the Star. ‘Can you alter the ads from now on to females only?’
‘Afraid not sir, the sex discrimination act, you know.’
‘But you have other escorts adverts seeking women only.’
At that point I was bamboozled with some balderdash about having to fill in a form which I believe involved some added costs, why this would then allow me to circumvent the sex discrimination act I never found out. The adverts had already cost me quite a few quid more than I was expecting so I decided to stick with them. Occasionally, for every two or three men, I would get the odd female enquiry.
‘What does the escorting involve?’
‘Meeting people.’
‘Do you go out with them?’
‘You can do.’
‘Is that all it involves?’
‘Not if you want to make some decent money, but after I’ve made your introductions what happens is between you and the client and none of my business.’ I knew the perfect pimping patter to avoid getting my collar felt in the same way as the Angels Agency had several years before.
‘Oh, sorry, I didn’t realise,’ would come the inevitable response. And they would invariably hang up.
I was astounded to discover how many apparently naïve ladies there seemed to be locally, who claimed not to realise that ‘escort’ was a modern euphemism for prostitute.
During the couple of weeks or however long it was that the adverts ran I actually managed to ‘interview’ two women. As I travelled to the first interview, I thought one of the essential criteria for their securing employment was would I want to shag her myself? When I heard the cultivated tones of the first filly I couldn’t wait to cast eyes on this silky sounding creature whose received pronunciation suggested she wouldn’t be misplaced at Henley, Glyndebourne or Royal Ascot, never mind the suburbs of Sheffield and its environs. However when she hove into view I thought she would be better suited to a convention of BBW’s, such was her substantial size, an ocean away from the svelte and succulent harem of lovelies I was seeking to employ. We had a chat over a coffee, both I think realising that not only was I not going to employ her, but I would also be disappointed if I were the client and she had materialised at my door. Before we parted she asked if I would be kind enough to give her a lift to a local parlour where she had previously been employed and was hoping to work once more. As I dropped her off at the parlour I thought, despite her refined accent, a BBW ex parlour girl was not exactly the kind of image I was hoping my upmarket agency to portray. However as I bid her farewell I was beginning to accept another old adage which all agencies (and indeed parlours), who were permanently it seems seeking staff, always appeared to adhere to, namely ‘beggars can’t be choosers.’
The second interview fared little better, although this time the lady was more shapely and alluring she arrived with her bloody husband in tow, who suggested she wouldn’t be allowed to sell herself unless he could also ply his trade as an escort. Needless to say as I’d already rejected numerous men I wasn’t about to agree to this. To compound the problem it transpired they were from Barnsley and didn’t have their own transport. Whilst I was prepared to travel anywhere in Sheffield to pick my staff up and take them to wherever it was they were summoned to go, I hadn’t reckoned on roaming as far as the ex-capital of the coalmining industry, to transport them to and from a job say in the south of the region. A few such ventures would soon punch a huge hole in my meagre profits.
As a couple of ironic codas to this sorry enterprise it may also interest the reader to know that in all this time I received the grand total of one enquiry from a potential client. This was left in the form of an answerphone message from an angry and inebriated gent, who suggested that it was a ‘fucking useless agency’ who kept their phone switched off. As you may imagine I was desperately sorry to have missed his business.
To drive the final nail into the coffin of my agency as it was embarrassingly lowered into the ground, the Star phoned me after the advert had expired enquiring if I wished to renew. They may have been mustard keen to secure the business of pimps back then, but a few years down the line and all such advertising would be banished from the sanctified columns of their small ads. However by then it would matter not as the internet would be king, and I would remain an impoverished punter rather than a rich pimp.
« Last Edit: August 26, 2015, 08:13:32 am by NIK »

Offline NIK

Just to add to the above which I didn't include at the time, apart from women, customers, mobile and car you need two more elements - a website and - much more necessary than a car - an incall place. Neither of which I had back then.

Diehard

  • Guest
As members might expect I had go at it. In short it was a disaster.  :blush:
I paste the relevant extract from my book for members' edification and entertainment!  :D

‘If you can’t beat ‘em join ‘em’ is an old adage that I once attempted to employ with regard to paid sex. After splashing thousands of pounds on punting I decided it was time I actually started to make something out of it by establishing my own escort agency. I can’t recall exactly when this was, either I didn’t keep a detail of it, or very likely it was in the summer of ’99, the ‘lost’ months during which so much seemed to happen.
I do know it was during the summer months as I thought that I would have more time to service the dozens of customers my excellent agency was sure to attract. I would undercut all competitors with my keen prices - £80 an hour (thirty for me, fifty for the lady) - and my beautiful girls. Of course with the cold reality of hindsight the holiday season is perhaps the worst time to begin such a venture, but I thought little of that: I had my car, I had my mobile, I had the experience of knowing what punters wanted, three fifths of all that was required to become a perfect pimp. Now all I needed were the beautiful girls and the slavering clients, both of whom would soon be queuing up to help me make my fortune.
I can’t remember what I called my agency; Greek mythological names were always popular for some reason, so Aphrodite’s and Ariadne’s were two a penny with the odd Roman nod such as Venus’s occasionally thrown in. Whatever it was named my advert was soon displayed for all to see in the Sheffield Star, which at the time was still the main source of escort and massage ads. Who needed one of those new-fangled and complicated web sites which would never take off? A mobile and a motor were all that the successful agency owner required. I’d paid my not insubstantial advertising fee and ‘Ambitious new escort agency seeks attractive staff,’ was boldly displayed every day for a couple of weeks. All I had to do was sit back, wait for the telephone to trill and the cash to come crashing in.
The telephone did indeed trill, unfortunately not as often as I would have liked and not with attractive young ladies, but with a number of guys evidently believing themselves to be potential studs. ‘I’m sorry,’ I told them, ‘I’m only looking for females.’
 ‘Why didn’t you say that then?’ they invariably peevishly asked.
Back I went to the Star. ‘Can you alter the ads from now on to females only?’
‘Afraid not sir, the sex discrimination act, you know.’
‘But you have other escorts adverts seeking women only.’
At that point I was bamboozled with some balderdash about having to fill in a form which I believe involved some added costs, why this would then allow me to circumvent the sex discrimination act I never found out. The adverts had already cost me quite a few quid more than I was expecting so I decided to stick with them. Occasionally, for every two or three men, I would get the odd female enquiry.
‘What does the escorting involve?’
‘Meeting people.’
‘Do you go out with them?’
‘You can do.’
‘Is that all it involves?’
‘Not if you want to make some decent money, but after I’ve made your introductions what happens is between you and the client and none of my business.’ I knew the perfect pimping patter to avoid getting my collar felt in the same way as the Angels Agency had several years before.
‘Oh, sorry, I didn’t realise,’ would come the inevitable response. And they would invariably hang up.
I was astounded to discover how many apparently naïve ladies there seemed to be locally, who claimed not to realise that ‘escort’ was a modern euphemism for prostitute.
During the couple of weeks or however long it was that the adverts ran I actually managed to ‘interview’ two women. As I travelled to the first interview, I thought one of the essential criteria for their securing employment was would I want to shag her myself? When I heard the cultivated tones of the first filly I couldn’t wait to cast eyes on this silky sounding creature whose received pronunciation suggested she wouldn’t be misplaced at Henley, Glyndebourne or Royal Ascot, never mind the suburbs of Sheffield and its environs. However when she hove into view I thought she would be better suited to a convention of BBW’s, such was her substantial size, an ocean away from the svelte and succulent harem of lovelies I was seeking to employ. We had a chat over a coffee, both I think realising that not only was I not going to employ her, but I would also be disappointed if I were the client and she had materialised at my door. Before we parted she asked if I would be kind enough to give her a lift to a local parlour where she had previously been employed and was hoping to work once more. As I dropped her off at the parlour I thought, despite her refined accent, a BBW ex parlour girl was not exactly the kind of image I was hoping my upmarket agency to portray. However as I bid her farewell I was beginning to accept another old adage which all agencies (and indeed parlours), who were permanently it seems seeking staff, always appeared to adhere to, namely ‘beggars can’t be choosers.’
The second interview fared little better, although this time the lady was more shapely and alluring she arrived with her bloody husband in tow, who suggested she wouldn’t be allowed to sell herself unless he could also ply his trade as an escort. Needless to say as I’d already rejected numerous men I wasn’t about to agree to this. To compound the problem it transpired they were from Barnsley and didn’t have their own transport. Whilst I was prepared to travel anywhere in Sheffield to pick my staff up and take them to wherever it was they were summoned to go, I hadn’t reckoned on roaming as far as the ex-capital of the coalmining industry, to transport them to and from a job say in the south of the region. A few such ventures would soon punch a huge hole in my meagre profits.
As a couple of ironic codas to this sorry enterprise it may also interest the reader to know that in all this time I received the grand total of one enquiry from a potential client. This was left in the form of an answerphone message from an angry and inebriated gent, who suggested that it was a ‘fucking useless agency’ who kept their phone switched off. As you may imagine I was desperately sorry to have missed his business.
To drive the final nail into the coffin of my agency as it was embarrassingly lowered into the ground, the Star phoned me after the advert had expired enquiring if I wished to renew. They may have been mustard keen to secure the business of pimps back then, but a few years down the line and all such advertising would be banished from the sanctified columns of their small ads. However by then it would matter not as the internet would be king, and I would remain an impoverished punter rather than a rich pimp.

Brilliant that. Think I'll reconsider my career change!

OldAdmin

  • Guest
Have you ever considered taking your hard earned cash and setting up an agency in your local (or not local area)

Not really, although many years ago a regular prossie did suggest it to me, believing her skills and mine would complement each other. But I don't think I will be a good agency pimp at all, because having been a punter with many bad experiences I'd be too biased towards my fellow punter / customer.

I doubt there are many or even any agencies ran by an ex-punter, I believe if the owner isn't female then it's a guy wanting to profit from prossies and punters, usually also having criminal background.

Dave2014

  • Guest
Some girls like to use them for the convenience, as agencies tend to supply the places to work, the condoms etc, the security . . .

That would be a brothel, not an agency. An agency merely refers clients. Only a website and a phone needed. No other costs, as one of the other punters above has already pointed out.

Dave2014

  • Guest
A premises can be a brothel if only 1 WG works out of it BUT at some other time another WG works out of the same premises, this is why a parlour/brothel which has only 1 WG per day in it but a different WG every day is still a brothel.

100% correct (something some lawyers don't even realise).  :thumbsup:

Offline smiths

Just to add to the above which I didn't include at the time, apart from women, customers, mobile and car you need two more elements - a website and - much more necessary than a car - an incall place. Neither of which I had back then.

NIK with an Agency rather than a Parlour/Brothel you don't NEED an incall place, many Agencies tell the WGs they have to provide the premises because the pimp cant then be done for running a brothel. IF a pimp provides the WGs premises to work out of its then a parlour/brothel set-up leaving him or her open to getting nicked VERY easily at any time the police decide to. Its the smart Agency pimps who don't provide the premises in my view.

vw

  • Guest
Its a pain booking some of these prossies, imagine the shit managing them, not for me to much drama !

Offline johnbanebridge

Its a pain booking some of these prossies, imagine the shit managing them, not for me to much drama !

Very true and very funny. On serious note isn't Adultwork far too strong now and makes establishing agencies too difficult?

Offline Jimmyredcab

Its a pain booking some of these prossies, imagine the shit managing them, not for me to much drama !

Indeed, and it's not just agencies.

I used to frequent a brothel in Ilford and the female owner would often moan about how unreliable the girls were, one girl phoned to say she was on her way -------------- and never arrived.      :wackogirl: :wackogirl:

vw

  • Guest
Very true and very funny. On serious note isn't Adultwork far too strong now and makes establishing agencies too difficult?
Not really adultwork is very poor in Google search which is where most would start when looking for work. Also where most punters looking for escorts in their town on Google find many agencies and UKP site above adultwork, imagine UKP supply adultwork with lots of traffic !

Offline smiths

Very true and very funny. On serious note isn't Adultwork far too strong now and makes establishing agencies too difficult?

No because enough WGs don't have any interest at least initially to get their own punters on A/W, they are prepared to agree to give the Agency pimp an agreed cut of their fees and all they have to do is turn up. I have spoken to many Indies who used to work for an Agency or in a brothel and that suited them for a while, then they decided to set up an A/W profile and see how busy they were but still continued working at one at the above then once they thought they would be busy enough they went full-time Indie.

Also some WGs cant speak English well enough to work Indie on their own as they cant answer the phone and/or emails. IMO there will always be Agencies not only for the above reasons but because they suit enough punters.

Offline NIK

NIK with an Agency rather than a Parlour/Brothel you don't NEED an incall place, many Agencies tell the WGs they have to provide the premises because the pimp cant then be done for running a brothel. IF a pimp provides the WGs premises to work out of its then a parlour/brothel set-up leaving him or her open to getting nicked VERY easily at any time the police decide to. Its the smart Agency pimps who don't provide the premises in my view.

Yes, when I first started punting both locally and later in London I had lots of outcalls because many agencies didn't seem to have premises or girls didn't tour in hotels - well they might have, but I didn't know! It was only parlours / brothels that had incall places.

Since the 21c it seems to have changed and outcalls are rarer. I would avoid them, and haven't had one at home since 2004, because  a). They are usually more expensive - often £50 more!  and b). You can't walk if she's crap.
Perhaps the worst punt I ever had was an outcall to my home in 2003 and it was a nightmare. Apart from a trusted regular I never had a home visit again after that horror. I also hate waiting around in hotel rooms for them to turn up (invariably late). I feel much more in control, and therefore relaxed going to an incall, because unlike many prossies I am organised and punctual.

The only reason I had so many outcalls in the past was because agencies didn't seem to have incall premises. All that has changed and I would suggest an agency without somewhere to host incall will struggle these days.

Offline smiths

Yes, when I first started punting both locally and later in London I had lots of outcalls because many agencies didn't seem to have premises or girls didn't tour in hotels - well they might have, but I didn't know! It was only parlours / brothels that had incall places.

Since the 21c it seems to have changed and outcalls are rarer. I would avoid them, and haven't had one at home since 2004, because  a). They are usually more expensive - often £50 more!  and b). You can't walk if she's crap.
Perhaps the worst punt I ever had was an outcall to my home in 2003 and it was a nightmare. Apart from a trusted regular I never had a home visit again after that horror. I also hate waiting around in hotel rooms for them to turn up (invariably late). I feel much more in control, and therefore relaxed going to an incall, because unlike many prossies I am organised and punctual.

The only reason I had so many outcalls in the past was because agencies didn't seem to have incall premises. All that has changed and I would suggest an agency without somewhere to host incall will struggle these days.

In London at least many Agencies still don't provide the WGs premises, that's down to the WG to provide, be that there own home or a hotel, though some kind of deal might be done in some cases where the pimp pays part of the cost. The reason for this as I said is because the pimp cant then be done for running a brothel, just for controlling prostitutes for gain.

The thing with Agencies and Parlours is there never seems to be a problem getting WGs to work at them so a pimp can dictate the terms, only if a WG becomes popular does she then have a bit of leverage, and this is sometimes when some WGs start not turning up as they think they are too important to be got rid of. This happened with the awful Katie Weale at GP Parties now gone (they got raided, nicked and convicted with the owner also subject to POCA) who offered a truly diabolical service BUT she was prepared to offer Anal at their once a month Anal parties so they kept her on just because of that until she fell asleep on a punters cock during a party and they finally got rid of her.

vw

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Indeed, and it's not just agencies.

I used to frequent a brothel in Ilford and the female owner would often moan about how unreliable the girls were, one girl phoned to say she was on her way -------------- and never arrived.      :wackogirl: :wackogirl:
Indeed not just agencies, brothels and punters I bet they keep taxi drivers waiting to !

Offline Dime

It has crossed my mind a few times but I'd probably  never seriously go through with it. I have seen agency websites recruitment page in whcih the WG has to fill in her details, attach photos and she will then be invited in for an interview and photoshoot. I stand to be corrected,but  I get the impression than any girl (as long as they are reasonably attractive and confident) can sign up/register with an agency, as they are not actually "employed" by the agency, as the girls generally choose to work as many or as little hours as they like- this does obviously not happen in a normal workplace. The interview is probably the pimp explaining to the girl exactly what escorting involves, about the incall location, types of clients etc. The agency just acts as a middleman between client and girl , though they provide an incall flat, and transport. Girls are generally expected to buy condoms, any sex toys, stockings, uniforms and bondage materials like cuffs etc themselves.

Offline smiths

It has crossed my mind a few times but I'd probably  never seriously go through with it. I have seen agency websites recruitment page in whcih the WG has to fill in her details, attach photos and she will then be invited in for an interview and photoshoot. I stand to be corrected,but  I get the impression than any girl (as long as they are reasonably attractive and confident) can sign up/register with an agency, as they are not actually "employed" by the agency, as the girls generally choose to work as many or as little hours as they like- this does obviously not happen in a normal workplace. The interview is probably the pimp explaining to the girl exactly what escorting involves, about the incall location, types of clients etc. The agency just acts as a middleman between client and girl , though they provide an incall flat, and transport. Girls are generally expected to buy condoms, any sex toys, stockings, uniforms and bondage materials like cuffs etc themselves.

Not all Agencies do the photos, that's up to the WG to pay for and as I have said many Agencies don't provide the WGs premises so as to avoid being done for running a brothel. You are right to say WGs aren't employed a such, they are self employed and so responsible for paying tax themselves BUT in reality often the pimp runs the show and dictates what hours they want the WG to work.

Any WG could work at an Agency if the pimp thinks she will bring in punters, if she doesn't it wouldn't be long before they are got rid of. If an interview face to face rather than the WG just emailing or posting her photos to the pimp and just speaking on the phone occurs dependent on the pimp it could be the casting couch that the pimp is interested in, Max Angel of Maxes Angels being one pimp who likes to fuck his WGs. The Agency of course gets the WGs punters so all they have to do is turn up in exchange for an agreed cut of at least a third of the WGs fees, money for old rope with small running costs, basically a website and a mobile phone, but by taking that cut the pimp is controlling prostitutes for gain and could get done.


Offline NIK

Not all Agencies do the photos, that's up to the WG to pay for and as I have said many Agencies don't provide the WGs premises so as to avoid being done for running a brothel. You are right to say WGs aren't employed a such, they are self employed and so responsible for paying tax themselves BUT in reality often the pimp runs the show and dictates what hours they want the WG to work.

Any WG could work at an Agency if the pimp thinks she will bring in punters, if she doesn't it wouldn't be long before they are got rid of. If an interview face to face rather than the WG just emailing or posting her photos to the pimp and just speaking on the phone occurs dependent on the pimp it could be the casting couch that the pimp is interested in, Max Angel of Maxes Angels being one pimp who likes to fuck his WGs. The Agency of course gets the WGs punters so all they have to do is turn up in exchange for an agreed cut of at least a third of the WGs fees, money for old rope with small running costs, basically a website and a mobile phone, but by taking that cut the pimp is controlling prostitutes for gain and could get done.

In my naivety I used to think agencies always interviewed girls, however that is certainly not the case.
I first met Nicoletta when she was working for Barracuda. Saw her a couple of times before she disappeared. Eventually she returned and I saw her again through Barracuda. This was still before she went indie. However she told me that to get more work she'd sent her photos to a number of agencies who had all put them up without even interviewing her. Now Nic is great, but for all they knew (or care!) she could easily have been crap!
This demonstrated to me that there is absolutely no quality control at all from most agencies and they will simply take on anyone.  :mad:  Also why so many girls are on many different agency sites.

Offline Dime

Not all Agencies do the photos, that's up to the WG to pay for and as I have said many Agencies don't provide the WGs premises so as to avoid being done for running a brothel. You are right to say WGs aren't employed a such, they are self employed and so responsible for paying tax themselves BUT in reality often the pimp runs the show and dictates what hours they want the WG to work.

Any WG could work at an Agency if the pimp thinks she will bring in punters, if she doesn't it wouldn't be long before they are got rid of. If an interview face to face rather than the WG just emailing or posting her photos to the pimp and just speaking on the phone occurs dependent on the pimp it could be the casting couch that the pimp is interested in, Max Angel of Maxes Angels being one pimp who likes to fuck his WGs. The Agency of course gets the WGs punters so all they have to do is turn up in exchange for an agreed cut of at least a third of the WGs fees, money for old rope with small running costs, basically a website and a mobile phone, but by taking that cut the pimp is controlling prostitutes for gain and could get done.
However, in reality do you think all WGs who work for an agency do pay tax themselves, even if they are legally supposed to?  I imagine if they declared their earnings to HMRC registered as self-employed, they'd be taxed rather heavily bearing in mind they are earning good money- on average £100 an hour once they pay their £50 cut or whatever to the agency. On the other hand, some agencies might take care of that side of things and pay the tax themselves for the girls- that could be where the cut the girls pay to the agency comes in, as well as for the the use of incall flats and drivers.

Offline NIK

However, in reality do you think all WGs who work for an agency do pay tax themselves, even if they are legally supposed to?  I imagine if they declared their earnings to HMRC registered as self-employed, they'd be taxed rather heavily bearing in mind they are earning good money- on average £100 an hour once they pay their £50 cut or whatever to the agency. On the other hand, some agencies might take care of that side of things and pay the tax themselves for the girls- that could be where the cut the girls pay to the agency comes in, as well as for the the use of incall flats and drivers.

Many agencies probably don't pay tax themselves never mind on behalf of the girls!
Indeed the first agency I came across who were closed down in the early 2000's - Crème de la Femme (which I used once in 2001)  - went I believe for tax irregularities rather than trafficking. And there have been a number of others.

Offline smiths

In my naivety I used to think agencies always interviewed girls, however that is certainly not the case.
I first met Nicoletta when she was working for Barracuda. Saw her a couple of times before she disappeared. Eventually she returned and I saw her again through Barracuda. This was still before she went indie. However she told me that to get more work she'd sent her photos to a number of agencies who had all put them up without even interviewing her. Now Nic is great, but for all they knew (or care!) she could easily have been crap!
This demonstrated to me that there is absolutely no quality control at all from most agencies and they will simply take on anyone.  :mad:  Also why so many girls are on many different agency sites.

Absolutely, the point here is we aren't talking about Asda etc, its a pimp who in many cases though not all wont give a shit about anything but making money by leeching off WGs. WGs go on various Agency sites for a number of reasons, one can be the Agencies are actually owned by the same pimp or the WG might not be as busy as she wants to be at one so goes to another, if she is providing the premises its just a case of ringing her with a booking and she could be on countless Agencies as long as she is smart enough not to double book herself, though some Agency pimps get the right arsehole with WGs who are on other Agency sites that are competitors. Another reason is a WG might be a so called Indie as well and move around the country so gets on Agency sites in the areas she knows she will be in. Another reason is to try to fool punters who have reported the WG as offering a bad service using her name with one Agency so she uses another or others with other Agencies, the pimp themselves often changes WGs names after bad publicity as well or moves her to another part of his or her operation.

Offline smiths

However, in reality do you think all WGs who work for an agency do pay tax themselves, even if they are legally supposed to?  I imagine if they declared their earnings to HMRC registered as self-employed, they'd be taxed rather heavily bearing in mind they are earning good money- on average £100 an hour once they pay their £50 cut or whatever to the agency. On the other hand, some agencies might take care of that side of things and pay the tax themselves for the girls- that could be where the cut the girls pay to the agency comes in, as well as for the the use of incall flats and drivers.

Certainly not all will that's for sure, I personally doubt many do but my view on that is I pay tax and that goes to employing tax collectors and leave it to them to collect owed tax.

I very much doubt many if any Agencies pay tax themselves despite what they might say on here and elsewhere let alone pay the WGs share. Once again we are talking about pimps who are breaking the law, many at least would want to have as little to do with government official bodies like the taxman in my view as possible as that could lead to them getting nicked. There could be a few that do pay tax though and the taxman would take the tax as the pimp would know that would be one less offence in the event of getting nicked to worry about, once the tax is paid even from a proven illegal set-up I imagine the taxman keeps it even if the police go after the pimp under POCA which is designed to seize pimps assets adjudged as having been bought with money accrued through their illegal business.

bensonhedges20

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@ nik

You were too smart. You only relied on the local paper.

I reckon if you or anyone wanted to start an escort agency you should move to glasgow and cover the two main cities.

Two reasons:

1- edinburgh is escort zombieland after 5-6pm
2- currently the two agencies are okay but not superb.

To be successful you need two things now.

1- advertising via adultwork as well as a website ( these are basic and dont cost much now)
2- low pricing. I believe if you set a price of £120 with pimp getting 20 and escort 100 you could have plenty girls.

To be successful you nees to find students from stirling, glasgow and edimburgh unis. Easily done now.

I think a good escort agency would thrive in glasgow/edinburgh

Offline solway

Would it be fraudulent to book a hotel room invite girls up for "auditions" trial them out & then say na this agency lark will no work out    :D

SophieScott

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It has crossed my mind a few times but I'd probably  never seriously go through with it. I have seen agency websites recruitment page in whcih the WG has to fill in her details, attach photos and she will then be invited in for an interview and photoshoot. I stand to be corrected,but  I get the impression than any girl (as long as they are reasonably attractive and confident) can sign up/register with an agency, as they are not actually "employed" by the agency, as the girls generally choose to work as many or as little hours as they like- this does obviously not happen in a normal workplace. The interview is probably the pimp explaining to the girl exactly what escorting involves, about the incall location, types of clients etc. The agency just acts as a middleman between client and girl , though they provide an incall flat, and transport. Girls are generally expected to buy condoms, any sex toys, stockings, uniforms and bondage materials like cuffs etc themselves.

Agencies get a really bad name amongst alot of independent girls, but I think good, reliable agencies have their place.  I worked for one very briefly before I went indie, although I would never do it again myself, I can see why some WGs do prefer that way of working.  Your advertising is taken care of so you don't spend ages every day responding to emails, you don't have to deal with timewasters and so on, and some girls feel it's safer, although I'd say that's very, very debatable.

What Dime describes is pretty much exactly how things were with the agency I worked for when I was there, although it was outcalls only and you could only choose your hours to an extent - you had to work at least 5 nights a week, and if you were on call you were expected to be up all night waiting on jobs and more or less ready, as you had to get to the clients in around half an hour.  I understand that's the case more or less everywhere.   Interview was the lady who ran the agency explaining hours, fees, set up, what she expected of you and so on (no 'casting couch', although I have heard of that going on).   We had to supply all condoms, outfits and so on ourselves.

I've often thought that if you set up an agency, treated the girls right, screened clients properly and gave them the right girl for them and took a fair cut, you could be really successful, although as others have said you have the police and POCA to worry about too.  It's not something I'd ever consider doing myself though.

Offline GalaxyMan

I used to frequent a brothel in Ilford and the female owner would often moan about how unreliable the girls were, one girl phoned to say she was on her way -------------- and never arrived.      :wackogirl: :wackogirl:

Indeed.  I bet that was a giggle, even on a Sunni day

(I wonder what she's up to these days.....)

GM

bensonhedges20

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Would it be fraudulent to book a hotel room invite girls up for "auditions" trial them out & then say na this agency lark will no work out    :D

Isnt that what model agencies do? Invite to a hotel room for pictures etc. Nothing illegal about it

Offline tazz

I can never understand why some agencies get busted by the police whilst others have been around for over a decade. Im sure in order to exist they either have to pay protection money to gangsters and bribes to the police. So many coppers are notoriously corrupt, thats how so many illegal sex shops were getting away with it for years in Soho.

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Offline Dime

@ nik

You were too smart. You only relied on the local paper.

I reckon if you or anyone wanted to start an escort agency you should move to glasgow and cover the two main cities.

Two reasons:

1- edinburgh is escort zombieland after 5-6pm
2- currently the two agencies are okay but not superb.

To be successful you need two things now.

1- advertising via adultwork as well as a website ( these are basic and dont cost much now)
2- low pricing. I believe if you set a price of £120 with pimp getting 20 and escort 100 you could have plenty girls.

To be successful you nees to find students from stirling, glasgow and edimburgh unis. Easily done now.


I think a good escort agency would thrive in glasgow/edinburgh

Totally agree. I went to Stirling uni, and for all I know some girls who I used to sit in classes with could have worked as escorts in secret. Layla and Katie from GAE are  uni students, so there are some students doing it, but as you say a really good, professionally run escort agency would thrive. I like GAE, but even one of their girls (Layla I think) said to me "they're not the best agency, as they can get a lot of things wrong". They lie about girls ages, photos are sometimes photo shopped, and girls don't always do what is on their profile- Mia and Lola classic examples.
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Offline Dime

Agencies get a really bad name amongst alot of independent girls, but I think good, reliable agencies have their place.  I worked for one very briefly before I went indie, although I would never do it again myself, I can see why some WGs do prefer that way of working.  Your advertising is taken care of so you don't spend ages every day responding to emails, you don't have to deal with timewasters and so on, and some girls feel it's safer, although I'd say that's very, very debatable.

What Dime describes is pretty much exactly how things were with the agency I worked for when I was there, although it was outcalls only and you could only choose your hours to an extent - you had to work at least 5 nights a week, and if you were on call you were expected to be up all night waiting on jobs and more or less ready, as you had to get to the clients in around half an hour.  I understand that's the case more or less everywhere.   Interview was the lady who ran the agency explaining hours, fees, set up, what she expected of you and so on (no 'casting couch', although I have heard of that going on).   We had to supply all condoms, outfits and so on ourselves.

I've often thought that if you set up an agency, treated the girls right, screened clients properly and gave them the right girl for them and took a fair cut, you could be really successful, although as others have said you have the police and POCA to worry about too.  It's not something I'd ever consider doing myself though.
Another thing I've always wondered is do agencies assign girls their working/code name at the interview or do the girls choose an alias themselves? The reason I ask is the agency I use in Glasgow has girls who have the same working names as girls who left months ago, so it seems to me that the agency have a bank of names they assign to girls.

SophieScott

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Another thing I've always wondered is do agencies assign girls their working/code name at the interview or do the girls choose an alias themselves? The reason I ask is the agency I use in Glasgow has girls who have the same working names as girls who left months ago, so it seems to me that the agency have a bank of names they assign to girls.

The one I worked for asked me what I wanted to be called, I was brand new to the industry so didn't have a clue so we kind of came up with one together.  I don't know if that's typical or not though.

Offline webpunter

A real life mate of mine ran a stripper agency for about a year.  He's a bit of an Arfur Daley and admitted eventually that his logic behind doing this was to have a bit of fun, shag some of the strippers [which he did] and try and make some money [which he didn't].  Too much time & hassle and easier ways to make money although a laugh along the way.  I didn't find out until after he stopped.  Cunt  :lol:

bensonhedges20

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Totally agree. I went to Stirling uni, and for all I know some girls who I used to sit in classes with could have worked as escorts in secret. Layla and Katie from GAE are  uni students, so there are some students doing it, but as you say a really good, professionally run escort agency would thrive. I like GAE, but even one of their girls (Layla I think) said to me "they're not the best agency, as they can get a lot of things wrong". They lie about girls ages, photos are sometimes photo shopped, and girls don't always do what is on their profile- Mia and Lola classic examples.

I say stirling uni, glasgow, edinburgh and strathclyde as i have seen many girls that are escorting at the sife through sugardaddy websites. Their profiles dont last long (maybe second thoughts but i have met a few for not alot of cash).

Secondly, they are either okay with it or not. Many do consider it if yoir not a timewaster

Offline solway

Spot on Dime - Mia & Lola lovely girls but do not do what they advertise.Add Robyn too.