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Author Topic: Ever considered setting up an agency?  (Read 1808 times)

Presumably many of you guys have had decades in the punting scene, saw many girls, used many agencies and parted with loads of cash so let me ask you this.

Have you ever considered taking your hard earned cash and setting up an agency in your local (or not local area)

If not why not?
If so why didn't you?

Obviously there are many risks personally and financially but seen as you are a customer of the industry and know it pretty much inside out from what punters like to what the WGs like out of an agency have you never considered taking that plunge?

Just thought it might be worth a discussion, also bonus points for whoever can come up with the best agency name.

Offline smiths

Presumably many of you guys have had decades in the punting scene, saw many girls, used many agencies and parted with loads of cash so let me ask you this.

Have you ever considered taking your hard earned cash and setting up an agency in your local (or not local area)

If not why not?
If so why didn't you?

Obviously there are many risks personally and financially but seen as you are a customer of the industry and know it pretty much inside out from what punters like to what the WGs like out of an agency have you never considered taking that plunge?

Just thought it might be worth a discussion, also bonus points for whoever can come up with the best agency name.

Its far too risky legally for my liking, apart from possibly getting done for controlling prostitutes for gain you could also get done by the taxman and POCA which could seize all your assets and ruin you financially.

Offline arthur

sounds a dangerous game, ive always thought a big part of agencies is protection for girls, and the turf wars involved suggest you need a big team

also having read a few profiles in my time it seems girls are regularly asked if they need drivers, photographers, or the protection to work for someone else; so a fair few have probably tried their luck thinking starting an agency is an easy way to get in with a few girls for free shags.

Offline smiths

sounds a dangerous game, ive always thought a big part of agencies is protection for girls, and the turf wars involved suggest you need a big team

also having read a few profiles in my time it seems girls are regularly asked if they need drivers, photographers, or the protection to work for someone else; so a fair few have probably tried their luck thinking starting an agency is an easy way to get in with a few girls for free shags.

You couldn't be further from the truth with many Agencies, its one person running it from their parents back bedroom, all that's needed is a mobile and computer. That person like Max Angel of Maxes Angels for example can like him be a real scumbag of the highest order though.

You couldn't be further from the truth with many Agencies, its one person running it from their parents back bedroom, all that's needed is a mobile and computer. That person like Max Angel of Maxes Angels for example can like him be a real scumbag of the highest order though.

True but to be successful you'd ideally need a good bankroll is well to cover costs of a website and potentially locations for your girls to work out of. Considering it is such a grey area in the law you'd have to be very careful. I imagine it is quite profitable though.

Offline arthur

You couldn't be further from the truth with many Agencies, its one person running it from their parents back bedroom, all that's needed is a mobile and computer. That person like Max Angel of Maxes Angels for example can like him be a real scumbag of the highest order though.

I was definitely using a lot of guesswork, or my perception of it as ive never really understood the point of agencies or what they provide over just booking an indie girl.
Thinking about I recall reading a thread on safe where someone was using a 'casting couch' scenario for new girls on AW and just getting free shags. Surprised how easy it seemed to get girls working for you.

I was definitely using a lot of guesswork, or my perception of it as ive never really understood the point of agencies or what they provide over just booking an indie girl.
Thinking about I recall reading a thread on safe where someone was using a 'casting couch' scenario for new girls on AW and just getting free shags. Surprised how easy it seemed to get girls working for you.

Some girls like to use them for the convenience, as agencies tend to supply the places to work, the condoms etc, the security and they give them some nice publicity. Especially for girls looking for some short term cash they can just join an agency, spend a few weeks working and then depart. They don't have to worry about the aforementioned costs and risks.

Offline smiths

True but to be successful you'd ideally need a good bankroll is well to cover costs of a website and potentially locations for your girls to work out of. Considering it is such a grey area in the law you'd have to be very careful. I imagine it is quite profitable though.

Smart Agency pimps don't provide the WGs premises. that's down to the WG and means they cant also get done for running a brothel which is a VERY easy nick for the police if they decide to raid. If a pimp does provide the premises thus making it a brothel legally I class it as a parlour/brothel set-up rather than an Agency.

It can certainly be a very profitable way of getting money, leeching off willing WGs and agreeing a cut of at least a third of their fees, money for old rope until or unless you get nicked.

Offline smiths

I was definitely using a lot of guesswork, or my perception of it as ive never really understood the point of agencies or what they provide over just booking an indie girl.
Thinking about I recall reading a thread on safe where someone was using a 'casting couch' scenario for new girls on AW and just getting free shags. Surprised how easy it seemed to get girls working for you.

In my area, London all Agencies do is ensure the price a punter pays is more than with many Indies to pay for the pimps cut. Some Agencies also may offer a 24/7 service unlike many Indies and have a choice of WGs, both of those I don't require. There are though big regional differences on prices so in some areas an Agency may be better VFM than many Indies.

Smart Agency pimps don't provide the WGs premises. that's down to the WG and means they cant also get done for running a brothel which is a VERY easy nick for the police if they decide to raid. If a pimp does provide the premises thus making it a brothel legally I class it as a parlour/brothel set-up rather than an Agency.

It can certainly be a very profitable way of getting money, leeching off willing WGs and agreeing a cut of at least a third of their fees, money for old rope until or unless you get nicked.

I thought to be a brothel you had to have two or more WGs inside it? And aye nicked and then get it all took off you. I'm just curious how one would find themselves in that situation to begin with. Who sits there and goes "Right I am going to run an escort service".

Offline smiths

I thought to be a brothel you had to have two or more WGs inside it? And aye nicked and then get it all took off you. I'm just curious how one would find themselves in that situation to begin with. Who sits there and goes "Right I am going to run an escort service".

A premises can be a brothel if only 1 WG works out of it BUT at some other time another WG works out of the same premises, this is why a parlour/brothel which has only 1 WG per day in it but a different WG every day is still a brothel.

Quite a few ex-WGs run Agencies and parlours/brothels, they saw the money their pimp could make and thought they want some of that. Its a business made of straw though which at any time could come crashing down, though some have been going for years of course, just depends on the views of the top cops in any given area. If the top cop is a real god botherer he or she might decide on a zero tolerance policy.

With POCA they could decide to let a pimp operate for however long knowing they would of made a nice sum and then raid and try to seize their assets, a nice little earner. A brief true story, a brothel got robbed by low lifes so the pimp rang the police for help, the police arrived and the end result was the robbers weren't caught but the pimp was convicted and financially ruined by POCA.

Offline NIK

As members might expect I had go at it. In short it was a disaster.  :blush:
I paste the relevant extract from my book for members' edification and entertainment!  :D

‘If you can’t beat ‘em join ‘em’ is an old adage that I once attempted to employ with regard to paid sex. After splashing thousands of pounds on punting I decided it was time I actually started to make something out of it by establishing my own escort agency. I can’t recall exactly when this was, either I didn’t keep a detail of it, or very likely it was in the summer of ’99, the ‘lost’ months during which so much seemed to happen.
I do know it was during the summer months as I thought that I would have more time to service the dozens of customers my excellent agency was sure to attract. I would undercut all competitors with my keen prices - £80 an hour (thirty for me, fifty for the lady) - and my beautiful girls. Of course with the cold reality of hindsight the holiday season is perhaps the worst time to begin such a venture, but I thought little of that: I had my car, I had my mobile, I had the experience of knowing what punters wanted, three fifths of all that was required to become a perfect pimp. Now all I needed were the beautiful girls and the slavering clients, both of whom would soon be queuing up to help me make my fortune.
I can’t remember what I called my agency; Greek mythological names were always popular for some reason, so Aphrodite’s and Ariadne’s were two a penny with the odd Roman nod such as Venus’s occasionally thrown in. Whatever it was named my advert was soon displayed for all to see in the Sheffield Star, which at the time was still the main source of escort and massage ads. Who needed one of those new-fangled and complicated web sites which would never take off? A mobile and a motor were all that the successful agency owner required. I’d paid my not insubstantial advertising fee and ‘Ambitious new escort agency seeks attractive staff,’ was boldly displayed every day for a couple of weeks. All I had to do was sit back, wait for the telephone to trill and the cash to come crashing in.
The telephone did indeed trill, unfortunately not as often as I would have liked and not with attractive young ladies, but with a number of guys evidently believing themselves to be potential studs. ‘I’m sorry,’ I told them, ‘I’m only looking for females.’
 ‘Why didn’t you say that then?’ they invariably peevishly asked.
Back I went to the Star. ‘Can you alter the ads from now on to females only?’
‘Afraid not sir, the sex discrimination act, you know.’
‘But you have other escorts adverts seeking women only.’
At that point I was bamboozled with some balderdash about having to fill in a form which I believe involved some added costs, why this would then allow me to circumvent the sex discrimination act I never found out. The adverts had already cost me quite a few quid more than I was expecting so I decided to stick with them. Occasionally, for every two or three men, I would get the odd female enquiry.
‘What does the escorting involve?’
‘Meeting people.’
‘Do you go out with them?’
‘You can do.’
‘Is that all it involves?’
‘Not if you want to make some decent money, but after I’ve made your introductions what happens is between you and the client and none of my business.’ I knew the perfect pimping patter to avoid getting my collar felt in the same way as the Angels Agency had several years before.
‘Oh, sorry, I didn’t realise,’ would come the inevitable response. And they would invariably hang up.
I was astounded to discover how many apparently naïve ladies there seemed to be locally, who claimed not to realise that ‘escort’ was a modern euphemism for prostitute.
During the couple of weeks or however long it was that the adverts ran I actually managed to ‘interview’ two women. As I travelled to the first interview, I thought one of the essential criteria for their securing employment was would I want to shag her myself? When I heard the cultivated tones of the first filly I couldn’t wait to cast eyes on this silky sounding creature whose received pronunciation suggested she wouldn’t be misplaced at Henley, Glyndebourne or Royal Ascot, never mind the suburbs of Sheffield and its environs. However when she hove into view I thought she would be better suited to a convention of BBW’s, such was her substantial size, an ocean away from the svelte and succulent harem of lovelies I was seeking to employ. We had a chat over a coffee, both I think realising that not only was I not going to employ her, but I would also be disappointed if I were the client and she had materialised at my door. Before we parted she asked if I would be kind enough to give her a lift to a local parlour where she had previously been employed and was hoping to work once more. As I dropped her off at the parlour I thought, despite her refined accent, a BBW ex parlour girl was not exactly the kind of image I was hoping my upmarket agency to portray. However as I bid her farewell I was beginning to accept another old adage which all agencies (and indeed parlours), who were permanently it seems seeking staff, always appeared to adhere to, namely ‘beggars can’t be choosers.’
The second interview fared little better, although this time the lady was more shapely and alluring she arrived with her bloody husband in tow, who suggested she wouldn’t be allowed to sell herself unless he could also ply his trade as an escort. Needless to say as I’d already rejected numerous men I wasn’t about to agree to this. To compound the problem it transpired they were from Barnsley and didn’t have their own transport. Whilst I was prepared to travel anywhere in Sheffield to pick my staff up and take them to wherever it was they were summoned to go, I hadn’t reckoned on roaming as far as the ex-capital of the coalmining industry, to transport them to and from a job say in the south of the region. A few such ventures would soon punch a huge hole in my meagre profits.
As a couple of ironic codas to this sorry enterprise it may also interest the reader to know that in all this time I received the grand total of one enquiry from a potential client. This was left in the form of an answerphone message from an angry and inebriated gent, who suggested that it was a ‘fucking useless agency’ who kept their phone switched off. As you may imagine I was desperately sorry to have missed his business.
To drive the final nail into the coffin of my agency as it was embarrassingly lowered into the ground, the Star phoned me after the advert had expired enquiring if I wished to renew. They may have been mustard keen to secure the business of pimps back then, but a few years down the line and all such advertising would be banished from the sanctified columns of their small ads. However by then it would matter not as the internet would be king, and I would remain an impoverished punter rather than a rich pimp.
« Last Edit: August 26, 2015, 08:13:32 AM by NIK »

Offline NIK

Just to add to the above which I didn't include at the time, apart from women, customers, mobile and car you need two more elements - a website and - much more necessary than a car - an incall place. Neither of which I had back then.

Offline Diehard

As members might expect I had go at it. In short it was a disaster.  :blush:
I paste the relevant extract from my book for members' edification and entertainment!  :D

‘If you can’t beat ‘em join ‘em’ is an old adage that I once attempted to employ with regard to paid sex. After splashing thousands of pounds on punting I decided it was time I actually started to make something out of it by establishing my own escort agency. I can’t recall exactly when this was, either I didn’t keep a detail of it, or very likely it was in the summer of ’99, the ‘lost’ months during which so much seemed to happen.
I do know it was during the summer months as I thought that I would have more time to service the dozens of customers my excellent agency was sure to attract. I would undercut all competitors with my keen prices - £80 an hour (thirty for me, fifty for the lady) - and my beautiful girls. Of course with the cold reality of hindsight the holiday season is perhaps the worst time to begin such a venture, but I thought little of that: I had my car, I had my mobile, I had the experience of knowing what punters wanted, three fifths of all that was required to become a perfect pimp. Now all I needed were the beautiful girls and the slavering clients, both of whom would soon be queuing up to help me make my fortune.
I can’t remember what I called my agency; Greek mythological names were always popular for some reason, so Aphrodite’s and Ariadne’s were two a penny with the odd Roman nod such as Venus’s occasionally thrown in. Whatever it was named my advert was soon displayed for all to see in the Sheffield Star, which at the time was still the main source of escort and massage ads. Who needed one of those new-fangled and complicated web sites which would never take off? A mobile and a motor were all that the successful agency owner required. I’d paid my not insubstantial advertising fee and ‘Ambitious new escort agency seeks attractive staff,’ was boldly displayed every day for a couple of weeks. All I had to do was sit back, wait for the telephone to trill and the cash to come crashing in.
The telephone did indeed trill, unfortunately not as often as I would have liked and not with attractive young ladies, but with a number of guys evidently believing themselves to be potential studs. ‘I’m sorry,’ I told them, ‘I’m only looking for females.’
 ‘Why didn’t you say that then?’ they invariably peevishly asked.
Back I went to the Star. ‘Can you alter the ads from now on to females only?’
‘Afraid not sir, the sex discrimination act, you know.’
‘But you have other escorts adverts seeking women only.’
At that point I was bamboozled with some balderdash about having to fill in a form which I believe involved some added costs, why this would then allow me to circumvent the sex discrimination act I never found out. The adverts had already cost me quite a few quid more than I was expecting so I decided to stick with them. Occasionally, for every two or three men, I would get the odd female enquiry.
‘What does the escorting involve?’
‘Meeting people.’
‘Do you go out with them?’
‘You can do.’
‘Is that all it involves?’
‘Not if you want to make some decent money, but after I’ve made your introductions what happens is between you and the client and none of my business.’ I knew the perfect pimping patter to avoid getting my collar felt in the same way as the Angels Agency had several years before.
‘Oh, sorry, I didn’t realise,’ would come the inevitable response. And they would invariably hang up.
I was astounded to discover how many apparently naïve ladies there seemed to be locally, who claimed not to realise that ‘escort’ was a modern euphemism for prostitute.
During the couple of weeks or however long it was that the adverts ran I actually managed to ‘interview’ two women. As I travelled to the first interview, I thought one of the essential criteria for their securing employment was would I want to shag her myself? When I heard the cultivated tones of the first filly I couldn’t wait to cast eyes on this silky sounding creature whose received pronunciation suggested she wouldn’t be misplaced at Henley, Glyndebourne or Royal Ascot, never mind the suburbs of Sheffield and its environs. However when she hove into view I thought she would be better suited to a convention of BBW’s, such was her substantial size, an ocean away from the svelte and succulent harem of lovelies I was seeking to employ. We had a chat over a coffee, both I think realising that not only was I not going to employ her, but I would also be disappointed if I were the client and she had materialised at my door. Before we parted she asked if I would be kind enough to give her a lift to a local parlour where she had previously been employed and was hoping to work once more. As I dropped her off at the parlour I thought, despite her refined accent, a BBW ex parlour girl was not exactly the kind of image I was hoping my upmarket agency to portray. However as I bid her farewell I was beginning to accept another old adage which all agencies (and indeed parlours), who were permanently it seems seeking staff, always appeared to adhere to, namely ‘beggars can’t be choosers.’
The second interview fared little better, although this time the lady was more shapely and alluring she arrived with her bloody husband in tow, who suggested she wouldn’t be allowed to sell herself unless he could also ply his trade as an escort. Needless to say as I’d already rejected numerous men I wasn’t about to agree to this. To compound the problem it transpired they were from Barnsley and didn’t have their own transport. Whilst I was prepared to travel anywhere in Sheffield to pick my staff up and take them to wherever it was they were summoned to go, I hadn’t reckoned on roaming as far as the ex-capital of the coalmining industry, to transport them to and from a job say in the south of the region. A few such ventures would soon punch a huge hole in my meagre profits.
As a couple of ironic codas to this sorry enterprise it may also interest the reader to know that in all this time I received the grand total of one enquiry from a potential client. This was left in the form of an answerphone message from an angry and inebriated gent, who suggested that it was a ‘fucking useless agency’ who kept their phone switched off. As you may imagine I was desperately sorry to have missed his business.
To drive the final nail into the coffin of my agency as it was embarrassingly lowered into the ground, the Star phoned me after the advert had expired enquiring if I wished to renew. They may have been mustard keen to secure the business of pimps back then, but a few years down the line and all such advertising would be banished from the sanctified columns of their small ads. However by then it would matter not as the internet would be king, and I would remain an impoverished punter rather than a rich pimp.

Brilliant that. Think I'll reconsider my career change!

Offline Admin

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Have you ever considered taking your hard earned cash and setting up an agency in your local (or not local area)

Not really, although many years ago a regular prossie did suggest it to me, believing her skills and mine would complement each other. But I don't think I will be a good agency pimp at all, because having been a punter with many bad experiences I'd be too biased towards my fellow punter / customer.

I doubt there are many or even any agencies ran by an ex-punter, I believe if the owner isn't female then it's a guy wanting to profit from prossies and punters, usually also having criminal background.

Some girls like to use them for the convenience, as agencies tend to supply the places to work, the condoms etc, the security . . .

That would be a brothel, not an agency. An agency merely refers clients. Only a website and a phone needed. No other costs, as one of the other punters above has already pointed out.

A premises can be a brothel if only 1 WG works out of it BUT at some other time another WG works out of the same premises, this is why a parlour/brothel which has only 1 WG per day in it but a different WG every day is still a brothel.

100% correct (something some lawyers don't even realise).  :thumbsup:

Offline smiths

Just to add to the above which I didn't include at the time, apart from women, customers, mobile and car you need two more elements - a website and - much more necessary than a car - an incall place. Neither of which I had back then.

NIK with an Agency rather than a Parlour/Brothel you don't NEED an incall place, many Agencies tell the WGs they have to provide the premises because the pimp cant then be done for running a brothel. IF a pimp provides the WGs premises to work out of its then a parlour/brothel set-up leaving him or her open to getting nicked VERY easily at any time the police decide to. Its the smart Agency pimps who don't provide the premises in my view.

Its a pain booking some of these prossies, imagine the shit managing them, not for me to much drama !

Its a pain booking some of these prossies, imagine the shit managing them, not for me to much drama !

Very true and very funny. On serious note isn't Adultwork far too strong now and makes establishing agencies too difficult?

Offline Jimmyredcab

Its a pain booking some of these prossies, imagine the shit managing them, not for me to much drama !

Indeed, and it's not just agencies.

I used to frequent a brothel in Ilford and the female owner would often moan about how unreliable the girls were, one girl phoned to say she was on her way -------------- and never arrived.      :wackogirl: :wackogirl:

Very true and very funny. On serious note isn't Adultwork far too strong now and makes establishing agencies too difficult?
Not really adultwork is very poor in Google search which is where most would start when looking for work. Also where most punters looking for escorts in their town on Google find many agencies and UKP site above adultwork, imagine UKP supply adultwork with lots of traffic !

Offline smiths

Very true and very funny. On serious note isn't Adultwork far too strong now and makes establishing agencies too difficult?

No because enough WGs don't have any interest at least initially to get their own punters on A/W, they are prepared to agree to give the Agency pimp an agreed cut of their fees and all they have to do is turn up. I have spoken to many Indies who used to work for an Agency or in a brothel and that suited them for a while, then they decided to set up an A/W profile and see how busy they were but still continued working at one at the above then once they thought they would be busy enough they went full-time Indie.

Also some WGs cant speak English well enough to work Indie on their own as they cant answer the phone and/or emails. IMO there will always be Agencies not only for the above reasons but because they suit enough punters.

Offline NIK

NIK with an Agency rather than a Parlour/Brothel you don't NEED an incall place, many Agencies tell the WGs they have to provide the premises because the pimp cant then be done for running a brothel. IF a pimp provides the WGs premises to work out of its then a parlour/brothel set-up leaving him or her open to getting nicked VERY easily at any time the police decide to. Its the smart Agency pimps who don't provide the premises in my view.

Yes, when I first started punting both locally and later in London I had lots of outcalls because many agencies didn't seem to have premises or girls didn't tour in hotels - well they might have, but I didn't know! It was only parlours / brothels that had incall places.

Since the 21c it seems to have changed and outcalls are rarer. I would avoid them, and haven't had one at home since 2004, because  a). They are usually more expensive - often £50 more!  and b). You can't walk if she's crap.
Perhaps the worst punt I ever had was an outcall to my home in 2003 and it was a nightmare. Apart from a trusted regular I never had a home visit again after that horror. I also hate waiting around in hotel rooms for them to turn up (invariably late). I feel much more in control, and therefore relaxed going to an incall, because unlike many prossies I am organised and punctual.

The only reason I had so many outcalls in the past was because agencies didn't seem to have incall premises. All that has changed and I would suggest an agency without somewhere to host incall will struggle these days.

Offline smiths

Yes, when I first started punting both locally and later in London I had lots of outcalls because many agencies didn't seem to have premises or girls didn't tour in hotels - well they might have, but I didn't know! It was only parlours / brothels that had incall places.

Since the 21c it seems to have changed and outcalls are rarer. I would avoid them, and haven't had one at home since 2004, because  a). They are usually more expensive - often £50 more!  and b). You can't walk if she's crap.
Perhaps the worst punt I ever had was an outcall to my home in 2003 and it was a nightmare. Apart from a trusted regular I never had a home visit again after that horror. I also hate waiting around in hotel rooms for them to turn up (invariably late). I feel much more in control, and therefore relaxed going to an incall, because unlike many prossies I am organised and punctual.

The only reason I had so many outcalls in the past was because agencies didn't seem to have incall premises. All that has changed and I would suggest an agency without somewhere to host incall will struggle these days.

In London at least many Agencies still don't provide the WGs premises, that's down to the WG to provide, be that there own home or a hotel, though some kind of deal might be done in some cases where the pimp pays part of the cost. The reason for this as I said is because the pimp cant then be done for running a brothel, just for controlling prostitutes for gain.

The thing with Agencies and Parlours is there never seems to be a problem getting WGs to work at them so a pimp can dictate the terms, only if a WG becomes popular does she then have a bit of leverage, and this is sometimes when some WGs start not turning up as they think they are too important to be got rid of. This happened with the awful Katie Weale at GP Parties now gone (they got raided, nicked and convicted with the owner also subject to POCA) who offered a truly diabolical service BUT she was prepared to offer Anal at their once a month Anal parties so they kept her on just because of that until she fell asleep on a punters cock during a party and they finally got rid of her.


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