Michelle Independent ~ Birmingham

[Steve2]

It's the ratio that I query.     

pot calling the kettle black?

B&G actually posted a negative, unlike you in 4 years Jimbo. Get over it

 

[Tailpipe]

pot calling the kettle black?

B&G actually posted a negative, unlike you in 4 years Jimbo. Get over it

 

Steve JRC is spot on this time his last post says it all , I am pretty sure you puntered with her a few times if I can remember that far B&G likes to neg the the fan club girls for whatever reason
And it makes no sence 50 positive reviews not all from fan boys but I have question the reasons
May be he does it just to the wind the up the forum who knows , I just think the forums purpose is to smash out the bad WGs not dis credit the ones that for the most part do there best to deliver
Service.

She does have real hair and real teeth 

[LL]

My first punt with Michelle was in Chingford, she had no idea who I was on arrival but treated me to a first class girlfriend experience.

I'm not denying that Michelle gives first class GFE but she claims that she knew who you were when you first met her. Have you forgotten about that?
https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=30790.msg430345#msg430345

[Steve2]

I'm not denying that Michelle gives first class GFE but she claims that she knew who you were when you first met her. Have you forgotten about that?
https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=30790.msg430345#msg430345

Jimbo has a selective memory

 

[Steve2]

Steve JRC is spot on this time his last post says it all , I am pretty sure you puntered with her a few times if I can remember that far B&G likes to neg the the fan club girls for whatever reason
And it makes no sence 50 positive reviews not all from fan boys but I have question the reasons
May be he does it just to the wind the up the forum who knows , I just think the forums purpose is to smash out the bad WGs not dis credit the ones that for the most part do there best to deliver
Service.

She does have real hair and real teeth 

Yes but it is a punters forum and so many people are giving B&G a hard time for a negative review. Almost as if it is his fault that the meeting didn't go well.

[claretandblue]

I'm not denying that Michelle gives first class GFE but she claims that she knew who you were when you first met her. Have you forgotten about that?
https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=30790.msg430345#msg430345

That's a classic, I wonder what jimbo will say?

[vw]

That's a classic, I wonder what jimbo will say?

Jimmy's favourite response on here is

It is well documented on here that ..

[Quesadilla]

Yes but it is a punters forum and so many people are giving B&G a hard time for a negative review. Almost as if it is his fault that the meeting didn't go well.

As I said many reviewers here experience the same when they post "yet another" positive review of a forum favourite. They are lambasted for being fluffy as if it's their fault the meeting did go well. Especially if its a gushing review with no substance.  Why is it bad when the shoe is on the other foot?   

[johnnyboy61]

I see nothing wrong with B&G expressing his honest (I hope) opinion, after all every punt is largely subjective, however, I do think it shows little respect for members who he obviously knew were going to disagree that has only seen fit to offer such a perfunctory review. I don't think that the four lines of the body of the review would actually be considered adequate for any meet, but knowing that this would be so controversial an opinion, he then couldn't be bothered to give us any detail of the meet to substatitae how he felt. Perhaps now that B&G has had time to reflect on the meet he could now afford us the courtesy of a proper review.

[NIK]

What I don't understand is that some punters seem determined to find fault even with good girls. There are so few about they ought to be treated decently unless they go off which some do. However there is no evidence this has happened to Michelle yet.

And if someone has more negative reviews rather than positives maybe they have been extremely unlucky or punting simply isn't for them?

Fucking hell I'm starting to sound like fluffy cunts such as James Bond from the heydays of a now insignificant forum who told me to stop constantly moaning about escorts and do my research! 
Better not post anymore in this thread. 

[anyfucker]

Two lines of review and seven pages of blah, blah, not even funny, time to move on i think?

[vw]

Better not post anymore in this thread. 

If i was Admin would sentence you to read the prossie black list out loud twice !  That would cure anyones fluffyness !

[squeezebox]

Another thought is that B&G may have anticipated/expected a "guaranteed" good service based on all the good reviews MI has received over the year(s). It didn't match and therefore it was a negative for him.

Also as a punter experiences different WG's, the tastes and needs may change too. Maybe enjoying a GFE that borders on a PSE that becomes more vanilla than they were hoping for can be a negative experience.

[NIK]

Another thought is that B&G may have anticipated/expected a "guaranteed" good service based on all the good reviews MI has received over the year(s). It didn't match and therefore it was a negative for him.

Also as a punter experiences different WG's, the tastes and needs may change too. Maybe enjoying a GFE that borders on a PSE that becomes more vanilla than they were hoping for can be a negative experience.

Good points.
I have posted again!
However just to balance out. I saw a girl in Nottingham not too many years ago who had nothing but good reviews and I found her somewhat underwhelming. By this time I was quite hard to please and she actually ran out of ideas about how to get me off! However it wasn't a negative punt, just not as good as I was expecting.
I also had similar experiences with two 2 girls: Amy and Adrianna and Amy and Paige, all of whom I'd seen several times before individually. I came away both times somewhat underwhelmed. I think my expectations were too high and in a 2 girl you can see through the falseness and acting better than a one to one. Years earlier I might have been thrilled but by then I was perhaps jaded or expecting too much.

I think the problem with the op's report as has been said several times is the lack of detail which just reads like it was deliberately done to provoke. Maybe he might expand a little eventually?

[Jimmyredcab]

pot calling the kettle black?

B&G actually posted a negative, unlike you in 4 years Jimbo. Get over it

 

You my friend are full of shit.   

Cast your mind back to when you pointed out that I only had 17 positive reviews on the "other forum" ------- when I checked it turned out that I had actually posted 43 reviews including 6 negatives but 26 had been deleted because they had dead links.
Just worry about you poxy "pick of the days" that usually turn out to be a waste of time.   

[Jimmyredcab]

I'm not denying that Michelle gives first class GFE but she claims that she knew who you were when you first met her. Have you forgotten about that?

She only realized who I was half way through the punt ---------- because of some of the things that I said, she had NO IDEA when I first arrived.     
Nice conspiracy theory though.     

[SamLP]

Just my observations:

- It would help if the OP gave a little more detail into why it was a negative, for the punters benefit and not to justify the rating.
- A good WG will provide a good standard punt even if the punter is awkward or there isn't any chemistry. They're paid to act the gfe part. Unless a punter is rude, threatening or aggressive, awkward punters are a challenge they just need to handle well. As with any job we are faced with challenging customers and it's the same with WG's. Not all punters are fluffy but not all are bad either.
- MI's ratings on UKP are very good, punters will make their own choice whether it will affect their decision to see her, and judging by comments on this thread it doesn't seem to be affected.
- In the instance it was affected, her legion of fans would be able to book her more easily so it's a win win for them. Maybe she will respond to my call or text when she's in London next time. Have tried quite a few times this year but only once did I get a reply telling me she was fully booked for the week. Not getting my hopes up though, there's plenty of other girls to see.
- Defending a WG by picking holes in the OP's previous reviews 

[incognitomosquito]

Just my observations:

- It would help if the OP gave a little more detail into why it was a negative, for the punters benefit and not to justify the rating.
- A good WG will provide a good standard punt even if the punter is awkward or there isn't any chemistry. They're paid to act the gfe part. Unless a punter is rude, threatening or aggressive, awkward punters are a challenge they just need to handle well. As with any job we are faced with challenging customers and it's the same with WG's. Not all punters are fluffy but not all are bad either.
- MI's ratings on UKP are very good, punters will make their own choice whether it will affect their decision to see her, and judging by comments on this thread it doesn't seem to be affected.
- In the instance it was affected, her legion of fans would be able to book her more easily so it's a win win for them. Maybe she will respond to my call or text when she's in London next time. Have tried quite a few times this year but only once did I get a reply telling me she was fully booked for the week. Not getting my hopes up though, there's plenty of other girls to see.
- Defending a WG by picking holes in the OP's previous reviews 

Took the words out of my mouth.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, as mentioned a number times already in this thread, the review system is here for the benefit of other punters and shouldn't be only used to document how shit or amazing a punt is.  I think the biggest shame now is the doubt cast on B&G's other reviews, well for me anyway.

[LoneWolf2020]

some people like italian food, some don't.

everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Even though its paid sex, you do still have to click to a certain extent in order for a punt to go really well, judging by previous reviews looks like she manages to get on with most so perhaps just one of those things and these guys just didnt click and maybe it all just felt a little too mechanical to both parties. No need to attack the op about it.

I do think it showed a lack of maturity on the wg's behalf to post on this thread to try to defend herself though, it achieved nothing other than making her look insecure when faced with criticism.

[threechilliman]

I think the biggest shame now is the doubt cast on B&G's other reviews, well for me anyway.

I'd agree with that. Failure to give some specifics as to what was so bad will, for me, invalidate his other reviews.

tcm

[OldAdmin]

Out of 21 punts I would expect 3 or 4 to be negative ---------------- for 13 to be negative suggests to me that the problem lies with the OP, maybe he is too fussy, maybe he simply has a dislike of hookers.

Maybe he keeps the gems to himself and feels he has duty to share the negatives?

[vw]

Maybe he keeps the gems to himself and feels he has duty to share the negatives?

Busted !

[Type_O_Negative]

Maybe he keeps the gems to himself and feels he has duty to share the negatives?

Yes, i don't understand this banging about positive/negative reviews ratio. For me negative reviews are more important because i know who to avoid. And another thing - some of us try to find "alternatives" for forum darlings by doing TOFTTs. As we know TOFTTs may be risky and result with negative reviews.

[vw]

Yes, i don't understand this banging about positive/negative reviews ratio. For me negative reviews are more important because i know who to avoid. And another thing - some of us try to find "alternatives" for forum darlings by doing TOFTTs. As we know TOFTTs may be risky and result with negative reviews.

Ratios mean nothing alone, its the context of the ratios. Pioneers will always have more bad reviews but hey ho the only alternative is to read accounts of the last 50 blokes to shag your next mission.  In the real world who would do that.  Imagine meeting a bird in the pub and ask for reviews from her past fucks !

Thank the punting lords I'm a punter.

[claretandblue]

Maybe he keeps the gems to himself and feels he has duty to share the negatives?

+1 the use of the language "I would expect " doesn't sit right with me either

[Jimmyredcab]

+1 the use of the language "I would expect " doesn't sit right with me either

OK ----------- your reviews.

13 positive
1 neutral
1 negative

That sounds about right to me.

Anyone who has more negatives than positives needs to consider finding another hobby.   

[Tony Montana]

It is a shame that any criticism of this review is met by calls of White-Knight and Fluffy.  It is possible to say that the review is too brief and is lacking detail without defending MI's honour and I think that if a 2-line (on my screen) review had been posted by a newbie there would be similar calls for more information so readers could form an objective opinion.

I'm sure B&G didn't deliberately spend £120 to have a crap time, but the brevity of the review for a very popular girl does seem deliberately provocative.

[Jimmyredcab]

I do think it showed a lack of maturity on the wg's behalf to post on this thread to try to defend herself though, it achieved nothing other than making her look insecure when faced with criticism.

She has nothing to feel insecure about.     

Her record on Adultwork says it all ------------

Ratings
420 positive
7  neutral
1 negative

[vw]

Anyone who has more negatives than positives needs to consider finding another hobby.   

Who are you to judge what people do in their spare time?

Your sounding like a man scorned and taking this negative review very personally, was it you walking the dog ?

[smiths]

You my friend are full of shit.   

Cast your mind back to when you pointed out that I only had 17 positive reviews on the "other forum" ------- when I checked it turned out that I had actually posted 43 reviews including 6 negatives but 26 had been deleted because they had dead links.
Just worry about you poxy "pick of the days" that usually turn out to be a waste of time.   

And you cast your mind to when you attacked me on here saying I hadn't had a recorded punt for many years, in reality at the time I had 2 less reviews than you but you had been a member six months longer than me. Its YOU that's full of shit.

[Jimmyredcab]

Who are you to judge what people do in their spare time?

Your sounding like a man scorned and taking this negative review very personally, was it you walking the dog ?

Michelle doesn't need an old minger as a boyfriend.     

[smiths]

OK ----------- your reviews.

13 positive
1 neutral
1 negative

That sounds about right to me.

Anyone who has more negatives than positives needs to consider finding another hobby.   

What a load of old shit, you used to moan about punters who didn't have ENOUGH negative reviews calling them easily satisfied, as usual your a rank hypocrite. You have also posted about being fussy as its your money and quite right to, yet in a post above you say maybe B&G is too fussy, well its HIS money so he can be as fussy as he likes just like you.

YOU did a positive review on here of a Shy Eve who charged you £80 for the hour but according to your complete bollocks ALL WGs who charge under £100 an hour are skanks yet you make no mention of that in your review, only after I asked you about her sometime ago did you confirm she WAS indeed a skank, so what use was that review as it didn't bother mentioning that crucial bit of information. You couldn't make it up.

[johnnyboy61]

Wow, this thread is getting very handbaggy!

I'm sure B&G is having fun looking at the fallout from his meagre offering. Having lit the blue touch paper and retired he has hardly been seen on this thread since, not least to give us a proper review.

[smiths]

some people like italian food, some don't.

everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Even though its paid sex, you do still have to click to a certain extent in order for a punt to go really well, judging by previous reviews looks like she manages to get on with most so perhaps just one of those things and these guys just didnt click and maybe it all just felt a little too mechanical to both parties. No need to attack the op about it.

I do think it showed a lack of maturity on the wg's behalf to post on this thread to try to defend herself though, it achieved nothing other than making her look insecure when faced with criticism.

It achieved one important thing in my view, it confirmed the punt DID occur meaning it all comes down to B&Gs opinion of the punt as he saw it, which is up to him, if he didn't rate the WG then he is fully entitled to post about it on here giving her a negative review.

[smiths]

Maybe he keeps the gems to himself and feels he has duty to share the negatives?

Absolutely, or at least keep some of his gems to himself, a punters reviews on here don't necessarily reflect his punting as a whole. For a while earlier this year I kept a number of gems to myself for various reasons, one being other punters who recommended WGs asked me not to share them, BUT I always posted my bad experiences so just using a punters reviews in isolation might not be an accurate interpretation of his punting.

[Placebo88]

This thread has generated lots of debate and general theorising but its really much ado about nothing.

One vague negative review , unsupported by any specific details , means nothing when weighed against 50+ glowing UKP reviews and 400+ AW positives.It will do zero harm to Michelle's business or reputation ; even as regards new clients ( myself included ).

A full review from the OP , whilst no obligatory , would probably have saved a lot of this fuss.Without it all you can do is make an assessment based on existing information.Everything I have read of Michelle suggests that she is a consummate professional who would attempt to give her best service to any client.Therefore most likely that her usual routine , looks or personality were simply not to the OP's taste.She was simply not right for him personally ; no fault or anything to cause concern that services may be slipping.

As regards member's positive - negative review ratios there are so many reasons that you cannot extrapolate views from the mere ratio.Furthermore a members reviews are not going to be a comprehensive history of their punting experience ; I have only reviewed two of my own experiences.Some reviews are more important to post than others ; if the OP had had a wonderful time with Michelle would a positive review have been of any benefit to anyone considering the existing abundance of them!

Unless the OP has anything to add I think this thread has run its course ( not for me to decide , just my opinion ) as I am just reading rewordings of the same arguments over and over again.

[smiths]

Yes, i don't understand this banging about positive/negative reviews ratio. For me negative reviews are more important because i know who to avoid. And another thing - some of us try to find "alternatives" for forum darlings by doing TOFTTs. As we know TOFTTs may be risky and result with negative reviews.

Yes and that's another good point, some of us will take a risk on occasion in search of a gem which works out sometimes, sometimes not but when it doesn't it leads to a negative review so how you punt can make a big difference to the reviews you do.

[vw]

A full review from the OP , whilst no obligatory , would probably have saved a lot of this fuss.

While it would have been nice, there would have been more to pick apart and debate. This could have reached 100 pages picking apart a more detailed criticism. Things like OP could have said "She looked into my eyes and I could tell she didn't love me" would have got 20-40 responses saying the opposite.

[smiths]

This thread has generated lots of debate and general theorising but its really much ado about nothing.

One vague negative review , unsupported by any specific details , means nothing when weighed against 50+ glowing UKP reviews and 400+ AW positives.It will do zero harm to Michelle's business or reputation ; even as regards new clients ( myself included ).

A full review from the OP , whilst no obligatory , would probably have saved a lot of this fuss.Without it all you can do is make an assessment based on existing information.Everything I have read of Michelle suggests that she is a consummate professional who would attempt to give her best service to any client.Therefore most likely that her usual routine , looks or personality were simply not to the OP's taste.She was simply not right for him personally ; no fault or anything to cause concern that services may be slipping.

As regards member's positive - negative review ratios there are so many reasons that you cannot extrapolate views from the mere ratio.Furthermore a members reviews are not going to be a comprehensive history of their punting experience ; I have only reviewed two of my own experiences.Some reviews are more important to post than others ; if the OP had had a wonderful time with Michelle would a positive review have been of any benefit to anyone considering the existing abundance of them!

Unless the OP has anything to add I think this thread has run its course ( not for me to decide , just my opinion ) as I am just reading rewordings of the same arguments over and over again.

I totally disagree some reviews are more important to post than others, in my view ALL reviews are as important as any other because they are THAT punters review of his experience with the WG. So its irrelevant how many reviews a WG has in my view, the more the merrier and from as many different punters as possible so punters can read ALL those punters views of the WG.

[threechilliman]

Properly enjoying this thread now.....

tcm

[Placebo88]

I totally disagree some reviews are more important to post than others, in my view ALL reviews are as important as any other because they are THAT punters review of his experience with the WG. So its irrelevant how many reviews a WG has in my view, the more the merrier and from as many different punters as possible so punters can read ALL those punters views of the WG.

I cannot agree with that point.If a punter takes a gamble on a girl who has no reviews on here and then reports back in the TOFTT spirit that is going to be of more benefit to readers than adding the 50th consecutive positive review of a girl where all you do is repeat the content of existing reviews.In this situation I may add a supporting post to an existing positive review , a mere update to confirm that all is still the same , but no more , and this would have no influence on the positive-negative review ratio that I was referring to.

[Marmite]

Seeing as this IS a punters forum the OP has every right to post this review up as you do in this reply. I have zero interest in punting with you but this 1 negative wouldn't put me off you if I were interested as your other reviews are good if not better mainly.

Bullseye. 

[smiths]

I cannot agree with that point.If a punter takes a gamble on a girl who has no reviews on here and then reports back in the TOFTT spirit that is going to be of more benefit to readers than adding the 50th consecutive positive review of a girl where all you do is repeat the content of existing reviews.In this situation I may add a supporting post to an existing positive review , a mere update to confirm that all is still the same , but no more , and this would have no influence on the positive-negative review ratio that I was referring to.

Fair enough, we cant always agree.

[NIK]

This thread has generated lots of debate and general theorising but its really much ado about nothing.

One vague negative review , unsupported by any specific details , means nothing when weighed against 50+ glowing UKP reviews and 400+ AW positives.It will do zero harm to Michelle's business or reputation ; even as regards new clients ( myself included ).

A full review from the OP , whilst no obligatory , would probably have saved a lot of this fuss.Without it all you can do is make an assessment based on existing information.Everything I have read of Michelle suggests that she is a consummate professional who would attempt to give her best service to any client.Therefore most likely that her usual routine , looks or personality were simply not to the OP's taste.She was simply not right for him personally ; no fault or anything to cause concern that services may be slipping.

As regards member's positive - negative review ratios there are so many reasons that you cannot extrapolate views from the mere ratio.Furthermore a members reviews are not going to be a comprehensive history of their punting experience ; I have only reviewed two of my own experiences.Some reviews are more important to post than others ; if the OP had had a wonderful time with Michelle would a positive review have been of any benefit to anyone considering the existing abundance of them!

Unless the OP has anything to add I think this thread has run its course ( not for me to decide , just my opinion ) as I am just reading rewordings of the same arguments over and over again.

Agree.
It appears to have reached a natural lull and everyone who wants to seems to have had their say, including the protagonists. A range of views have been expressed and your post sums it up quite fairly.
Perhaps time to close it before it all kicks off again. If the op has anything to add he is free to pm Admin or myself and we can consider re-opening.