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Offline Matium

Saafe has a topic, 50 pages long!, that has to be seen to be believed. It consists of sundry prostitutes complaining about their lack of "work" and in all that time - not one of the more experienced WGs - has bothered to tell the newbies "If you want work then reduce your price".

It ought to be really simple, if you're not attracting clients then reduce your price to a level at which you do start attracting clients.

Of course, there's a reason why it is so utterly useless - the old girls have no wish for the young girls to succeed.

There's only a liminited number of men who can afford their rates anyway, so like any good cartel, they want to limit new entrants into the market.

Offline mattylondon

Saafe has a topic, 50 pages long!, that has to be seen to be believed. It consists of sundry prostitutes complaining about their lack of "work" and in all that time - not one of the more experienced WGs - has bothered to tell the newbies "If you want work then reduce your price".

It ought to be really simple, if you're not attracting clients then reduce your price to a level at which you do start attracting clients.

Of course, there's a reason why it is so utterly useless - the old girls have no wish for the young girls to succeed.

There's only a liminited number of men who can afford their rates anyway, so like any good cartel, they want to limit new entrants into the market.
We all know very well that younger and better looking women are a danger to these older prossies, including the sisterhood, who tend to charge a minimum of £150 for the hour. Take a look at their profiles and you'll see this. They're hardly likely to want to help any newbie.  :hi:

It's funny how a lot of prossies talk about it being a 'business', but don't recognise that in any business it's about supply and demand, plus affordability in harder times. This means that for some to succeed, rates must be dropped or they will go out of business because they haven't established a loyal client base yet. As with a lot of prossies, they wish to have their cake and eat it. They call it a business, on the one hand, on the other, say it's exceptional to a business because of the element of emotion and it's physical nature! Can't have it both ways, I'm afraid!

They're just another example of younger people these days who thought they wouldn't have to work too hard for a living and that being a prossie would be an easy option, which it isn't. They were simply lured by greed and the thought of lying on their back to make an easy living. Now some chickens are coming home to roost. What a pityful lot those moaners are. Perhaps we should join Saafe and spell it out for them!  :D

Offline Lurtz



They're just another example of younger people these days who thought they wouldn't have to work too hard for a living and that being a prossie would be an easy option, which it isn't. They were simply lured by greed and the thought of lying on their back to make an easy living. Now some chickens are coming home to roost. What a pityful lot those moaners are. Perhaps we should join Saafe and spell it out for them!  :D

In fairness, they probably started with a traditional job (involving shelving & stacking in the retail sector) but lost heart when they chipped their red nail varnish.

Offline Jimmyredcab



It's funny how a lot of prossies talk about it being a 'business', but don't recognise that in any business it's about supply and demand, plus affordability in harder times.

That is true but being a prostitute is not really a business as such.

Yesterday I had to renew my taxi insurance, once again they increased my premium by £150 for no apparent reason, I told the broker I was not very happy and their attitude was pretty much "tough".
I made two phone calls and saved £70.    ;)

Offline Jimmyredcab



They're just another example of younger people these days who thought they wouldn't have to work too hard for a living and that being a prossie would be an easy option, which it isn't.

That is open to debate, some girls fit into the industry like a duck to water, others are soon revolted by the nature of the work, money is a big motivator, £120 an hour renting out your pussy or £6 an hour stacking shelves ----- no contest really. ;)

Offline Ali Katt

The prossies which charge £150+ an hour are too keen to tell you their phone(s) never stop ringing and how busy they are and that they have an elite, loyal client base but, they probably only see about 5 men a week and 2 are probably regulars.

The ones which charge £100 or less can see as many or as little as they want. If they offer good, friendly service, the man comes back, if they're in a city/town centre location even better. With an increase in girls offering an hour at £100 or less not just EE or Asian ones but young, fit, UK girls as well - charging more than £120 is silly, unless they are a dominatrix or specialist. On top of that I have seen many "expensive" prossies charging extra for OWO, anal, DFK or not offering it - I used to see a girl who did all those for £100. It's a competitive "business" and some of the naive/newer escorts and the old boots need to adapt to survive.

IT is time that the £150.00 ph wgs realisied that
you can buy "gold too dear".  As JRC says it is a buyers market!

Offline mattylondon

Saafe has a topic, 50 pages long!
I've just read most of that thread properly. It's fucking enormous!!  :scare: I love that a transexual is offering these women lots of advice on there too?!  :scare:  :sarcastic: Lots of bellyaching, crying and moaning about how business is slow and their rents are coming up soon!!  :rolleyes: How cocky they were with their sniping at men and now some chickens are coming home to roost! Lots of comments, such as 'what have I done wrong' and 'where are all then men'! The same men that these women slag off in their little private forums. How fitting and how pathetic some of them are.  :sarcastic:

The harsh truth is that their whole existence in this business depends on men. Pure and simple. No men. No customers. No money and the rent ain't going to be paid, which then means eviction for many. I cannot understand their mentality?  :unknown: Surely it's better to see two punters at £100 for the hour, than a single one at £150? Gone are the days when your average prossie can expect to earn £150 an hour, unless they ply their trade in a punting desert. I've got some advice for those who are 'suffering'.

1. Wake up to reality and drop your rates like any service industry has to do in hard times.
2. If pride won't allow, then remember you've already got past that stage by deciding to be a prostitute.  Therefore, either get off your backside and work in a proper job, like the rest of us. Alternatively, if one job isn't enough to pay the rent, then get a second part -time one, like a lot of hardworking people need to do and would never dream of being a prostitute.  :hi: Honestly, I read that thread with a mixture of laughing and pity. Everybody should read it.
« Last Edit: March 06, 2012, 06:01:26 PM by mattylondon »

Offline Matium

Exactly.

But note the cynicism and hypocrisy.

Not one of the Moderators, not one of the experienced WGs, give any practical advice whatsoever, instead the newbie girls, whom Saafe is supposed to be looking out for, are left to moan and wail.


Offline mattylondon

Exactly.

But note the cynicism and hypocrisy.

Not one of the Moderators, not one of the experienced WGs, give any practical advice whatsoever, instead the newbie girls, whom Saafe is supposed to be looking out for, are left to moan and wail.
Exactly too because women are fiercely competititve in this game. Why the fuck would an older, but worse looking prossie with a regular punter base wish to help a younger, better looking girl, just starting out!!  :dash: If anybody thinks about that for a moment, you can see how completely ridiculous the notion of any help is, in that context! Help them into retirement, more like it!  :lol:

I don't know what they're complaining about, it's not as if they pay tax anyway.
I wouldn't call it 'work' either, pocket money is probably more accurate

Offline AnthG

not one of the more experienced WGs - has bothered to tell the newbies "If you want work then reduce your price".

It ought to be really simple, if you're not attracting clients then reduce your price to a level at which you do start attracting clients.
I have not read the thread. But as we have established in threads here their only option is not to just drop prices.

If their prices are around £120 / hour dropping them could actually be detrimental as sometimes looking at a profile and you get put off if their prices that look too cheap.

If business is slow they could just improve their profile; provide some good face pics is the most important. Spruce up the text in their AW profile and add some light-hearted humour is another possibility.

Make an introduction video and post it up free - everyone has smart phones or an ipod with a video camera in to do this.

Offline mattylondon

I have not read the thread. But as we have established in threads here their only option is not to just drop prices.

If their prices are around £120 / hour dropping them could actually be detrimental as sometimes looking at a profile and you get put off if their prices that look too cheap.

If business is slow they could just improve their profile; provide some good face pics is the most important. Spruce up the text in their AW profile and add some light-hearted humour is another possibility.

Make an introduction video and post it up free - everyone has smart phones or an ipod with a video camera in to do this.
I wouldn't call £120 'cheap'? Maybe where you are? In London or the South Eastern Region, I can punt for £80 - £100 for 1 hour easily, if I wished. I just happen to prefer quickies or 30 minutes.

Of course a prossie can improve their prospects through better marketing but many are missing the point. In times of economic hardship, if you're new, you must offer a financial incentive, as you haven't had the opportunity to establish a regular punter base.I've never known having a sense of humour on a profile make me want to fuck a prossie? I couldn't give a fuck what their sense of humour is before and during a punt. I'm not there to listen to her jokes and she's not going to be doing too much talking with me! I'm also not interested in their boring blogs? Fuck that. A good attitude upon meeting them, combined with looks and prices, is all that matters to me. This isn't dating, so their geopolitical views are irrelevant. That's for girlfriends or my female friends in the real world.

I simply think that there are a lot more younger women flooding the market right now, including from abroad, thinking they can earn easy money, rather than do a real job. The desperation of some completely blows the myth that this is all about their choice. Prossies become so largely out of economic need and financial hardship.  No woman grows up wanting to be a prostitute from a blank canvas? They will obtain no help from established prossies, if they wish to work in their area and why would they want to help the competition when it's often younger? That would be suicide?!  :D

I'll PM you the thread in question.
« Last Edit: March 06, 2012, 09:39:25 PM by mattylondon »

Offline adindas

I will say some WGs who charge ridiculous price even though they know that it will not attract clients is opportunistic. They might hope uninformed people might arrange booking.

The principle is simple, they might have regular jobs, on the dole so even they do not have any clients they could still survive.

I have seen quite a few WGs charges £150 for hourly rate in one place but charges a fractional of that in other places.

Some are even spending most of the time in the party. This proves that her phone is actually dusty ...



Offline Andre 3000

The smart ones will realise what they have to do. The woe is me style escorts will fall by the side if you're relying on escorting to pay your bills each month and you still haven't thought that maybe dropping your prices,updating pictures etc will help then you don't deserve clients.

Competition is fierce enough and every day new women come into the business usually at better prices and more attractive.

Offline mattylondon

The smart ones will realise what they have to do. The woe is me style escorts will fall by the side if you're relying on escorting to pay your bills each month and you still haven't thought that maybe dropping your prices,updating pictures etc will help then you don't deserve clients.

Competition is fierce enough and every day new women come into the business usually at better prices and more attractive.
Summed up perfectly.  :drinks: To base one's whole economic existence on the availability of men, who have many women to choose from at various rates is an incredibly risky proposition, if one sticks to their higher rates. I did read one comment where a woman moaned that she hated 'being this cheap'. I'd suggest she's in the wrong business, but if she can find another job that pays the hourly equivalent, then good luck.  :cool:
« Last Edit: March 07, 2012, 04:21:02 PM by mattylondon »

Offline gari54

I think you are all missing the point here, maybe its not all about earning the absolute maximum amount. This is no ordinary business transaction.

It all depends on how much the woman considers sleeping with a stranger is worth to her.
Maybe a woman would rather see 1 or 2 clients a day at £150 than seeing 5 or 6 at £80.
Its not like Tesco's trying to undercut Sainsbury's by selling milk and Bananas 3p cheaper. This industry operates in a different way to mainstream businesses.

Offline mattylondon

I think you are all missing the point here, maybe its not all about earning the absolute maximum amount. This is no ordinary business transaction.

It all depends on how much the woman considers sleeping with a stranger is worth to her.
Maybe a woman would rather see 1 or 2 clients a day at £150 than seeing 5 or 6 at £80.
Its not like Tesco's trying to undercut Sainsbury's by selling milk and Bananas 3p cheaper. This industry operates in a different way to mainstream businesses.
I don't think I've missed any point. In fact, I think you've missed my point. Have you actually read any of the thread? Most of it is centred around the need for 'clients' because bills are due! Therefore if that's the case, one cannot afford to be too choosy or proud!  A prossie may set her rates a certain way for many reasons, some of which you've said.

I'm simply saying that for a newbie to charge top dollar or expect an established and older prossie to 'help them', when they are new and younger competition, in a lot of cases, is somewhat naive! If you have an established punter base then yes, you may be successful at those rates or if you're particularly good looking. It's my contention that a lot of these girls appear to be 'opportunists' or particularly desperate in deciding to become prossies, but their expectation level, in terms of what they hope to obtain, in terms of cash is unrealistic.

Sure, charge £150 or more, if you like, but you may not be in 'business' very long without some realistic adjustment to the times and the competition. Ultimately, I couldn't care less what they charge. I have my maximum and don't deviate. Good luck to them.  :hi:
« Last Edit: March 07, 2012, 07:49:17 PM by mattylondon »

Fatpro$$ie

To say that the older prossies should give advice to the younger newer ones about how to undercut them is silly.   It is after all business and you dont see people stating that Asda or Tesco should give help and advice to smaller stores.  Business is business and why would any sane person advise soemone to undercut them in price.  Do other self employed people go around giving their competition advice that will make them lose some of their business.
By all means they give advice on safety and the law etc but not on how to take away their customers, that would just be incredibly stupid.

Offline mattylondon

To say that the older prossies should give advice to the younger newer ones about how to undercut them is silly.   It is after all business and you dont see people stating that Asda or Tesco should give help and advice to smaller stores.  Business is business and why would any sane person advise soemone to undercut them in price.  Do other self employed people go around giving their competition advice that will make them lose some of their business.
By all means they give advice on safety and the law etc but not on how to take away their customers, that would just be incredibly stupid.
I totally agree. Why the hell would an established prossie with an established and loyal punter base, wish to help somebody who's looking to literally take money out of her pockets by competing with them? I sure as hell wouldn't help them one bit!

I see the argument re safety tips and the law, but even then I think that only goes so far. If they haven't done their research and looked into the ramifications of prostitution properly, in all it's forms, good and bad, prior to deciding on this course, I question whether it's the right thing for them? There's an awful lot of naivety on that site from some of these newbies, who clearly haven't got it into their thick heads that this is, first and foremost,   business.  :hi:

Oh and I should ask you this FP... what the fuck is it with that transexual trying to provide advice to women on there?! They're a man, after all. What would they know about how these things effect women? They cannot truly know.  :sarcastic:  :scare:
« Last Edit: March 07, 2012, 08:33:07 PM by mattylondon »

Offline J

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I totally agree. Why the hell would an established prossie with an established and loyal punter base, wish to help somebody who's looking to literally take money out of her pockets by competing with them? I sure as hell wouldn't help them one bit!

I see the argument re safety tips and the law, but even then I think that only goes so far. If they haven't done their research and looked into the ramifications of prostitution properly, in all it's forms, good and bad, prior to deciding on this course, I question whether it's the right thing for them? There's an awful lot of naivety on that site from some of these newbies, who clearly haven't got it into their thick heads that this is, first and foremost,   business.  :hi:

Oh and I should ask you this FP... what the fuck is it with that transexual trying to provide advice to women on there?! They're a man, after all. What would they know about how these things effect women? They cannot truly know.  :sarcastic:  :scare:

I don't see the significance of the problem you have with a ts escort giving advice to female escorts. They're all serving male punters so what difference does it make?

Saafe is supposed to be a support forum for escorts rather than anything else.

They experience the same shit with timewasters, hagglers and potentially dodgy clients as any other escort does female or otherwise, probably more so in fact!

I'd also suggest its a little more complex than 'they're a man' as you put it too! Its actually a very complex physical and psychological condition which these individuals find themselves in and to be as ignorant as that just makes you look dumb in this day and age.


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Offline mattylondon

I don't see the significance of the problem you have with a ts escort giving advice to female escorts. They're all serving male punters so what difference does it make?
A hell of a lot of difference! Ultimately, such a person is a man giving advice to a woman. We can be PC and apply labels such as TS, TV or even a CD. Ultimately, the common denominator is that they all have a cock and are biologically men. Of course, you will argue they all provide services to largely men and therefore their advice carried equal weight. Let's also include homosexual prostitutes too.

The point you've failed to understand is that I'm not simply talking about providing 'advice'. There are certain matters concerning women that only other women will have empathy with and understand. Now one could put on a feminine manner, including voice, wear the clothes, take the hormones and all the rest, but it doesn't change the fact that they are all still, deep down men. The grew up so and do not know what it's like to be a woman from birth. So my point was as much about empathy as advice per se.

Oh and welcome to the forum too, Jodie TS.  :P You'll get on very well with Matium!  :D
« Last Edit: March 14, 2012, 12:37:01 AM by mattylondon »

Offline Matium

Ah J = Jodie,

well you sussed that out!

 :lol:

Welcome, Jodie, hope we rough and ready men can entice you away from the witches' coven that is Saafe but I don't know if you have enough of a manhood left to fit in.

 :lol:


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