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Author Topic: Not Providing Services Offered after Received Payment - A Criminal Offence  (Read 2313 times)

Just a bit of useful punter knowledge on a subject that comes up time and time again.

If a WG, for example, promises anal, takes your money and then refuses to provide anal, she has committed a criminal offence. The offence is fraud by misrepresentation (also known colloquially as 'clipping') under section 2 of the Fraud Act 2006 (see below):

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/35/section/2

It doesn't matter that contracts for sexual services are unenforceable (that is a civil law matter) as that is distinct from the criminal offence of fraud by misrepresentation.

I appreciate that in reality most punters wouldn't demand their money back with a threat to go to the police, but it is worth knowing about the criminal law position on this so you can bring it up in the subsequent negotiations about the return of your money if necessary.

As a matter of evidence, where possible get the WG to confirm services (a yes or no in answer to your text) by text where possible. I'm aware that many won't do this, but some do.

 :hi:

Offline Ben4454

Paying for sex acts are against the law and this would not be enforceable. If i read right you wish to threaten said working girl for refund its not going to work.
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Offline Quesadilla

Paying for sex acts are against the law and this would not be enforceable. If i read right you wish to threaten said working girl for refund its not going to work.

Sorry, which law is that exactly?
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Offline comaminion

I'm going to take a quote from lock stock to tell you why whether it's legal or not no one's going to the police



Tom: Listen to this one then; you open a company called the Arse Tickler's Faggot Fan Club. You take an advert in the back page of some gay mag, advertising the latest in arse-intruding dildos, sell it a bit with, er... I dunno, "does what no other dildo can do until now", latest and greatest in sexual technology. Guaranteed results or money back, all that bollocks. These dills cost twenty-five each; a snip for all the pleasure they are going to give the recipients. They send a cheque to the company name, nothing offensive, er, Bobbie's Bits or something, for twenty-five. You put these in the bank for two weeks and let them clear. Now this is the clever bit. Then you send back the cheques for twenty-five pounds from the real company name, Arse Tickler's Faggot Fan Club, saying sorry, we couldn't get the supply from America, they have sold out. Now you see how many of the people cash those cheques; not a single soul, because who wants his bank manager to know he tickles arses when he is not paying in cheques!
Bacon: So how long do you have to wait for a return?
Tom: Probably no more than four weeks.
Bacon: Well what good is that if we need it in six... no, five days?
Tom: Well it was still a good idea.
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Paying for sex acts are against the law

Do you have a link to that law?

Offline Quesadilla

Just a bit of useful punter knowledge on a subject that comes up time and time again.

If a WG, for example, promises anal, takes your money and then refuses to provide anal, she has committed a criminal offence. The offence is fraud by misrepresentation (also known colloquially as 'clipping') under section 2 of the Fraud Act 2006 (see below):

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/35/section/2

It doesn't matter that contracts for sexual services are unenforceable (that is a civil law matter) as that is distinct from the criminal offence of fraud by misrepresentation.

I appreciate that in reality most punters wouldn't demand their money back with a threat to go to the police, but it is worth knowing about the criminal law position on this so you can bring it up in the subsequent negotiations about the return of your money if necessary.

As a matter of evidence, where possible get the WG to confirm services (a yes or no in answer to your text) by text where possible. I'm aware that many won't do this, but some do.

 :hi:

Good to know Puntico - in hindsight that could have saved me £300 with that skank Becky SummerPsycho.  I had confirmation via AW e-mail of services offered and she failed to deliver so I could have just driven her to the local cop shop.   Didn't occur to me at the time that the police might back me up.  At least knowing the law would have put me on a better footing.  :thumbsup:
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Offline comaminion

Puntico I can see you now


Small claims court
Impassioned speech about no anal
They name a park after you as no one has broken such important ground since Martin Luther

Then you get the Bill for registering the small claims case and its double the money you won back that said romanian is paying you back at £1 a week


The sweet taste of justice
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Paying for sex acts are against the law

I will be brief: you are wrong.

and this would not be enforceable.

I think you are confusing the civil issue which I already dealt with. I suggest you re-read my original post a little more carefully.

If i read right you wish to threaten said working girl for refund its not going to work.

Let me make this easier for you: If you go into a hairdresser, hand your money over and they refuse to cut your hair and refuse to return your money, they have committed a s.2 fraud (as above). The same goes for a WG who refuses to provide services.

Paying for sex acts are against the law.
Paying for sex acts are against the law. Maybe against your wife or girlfriends rule of law, but not against the law.

Offline anyfucker

Paying for sex acts are against the law and this would not be enforceable. If i read right you wish to threaten said working girl for refund its not going to work.
Fortunately not in this country, apart from caveats about under age, trafficked, injured etc.

Puntico I can see you now

Small claims court

An 'A' for attempted humour, but a complete failure, so an 'F' for attainment. As soon as I saw "Small claims court" I stopped reading as I knew you didn't know the difference between a civil and criminal matter and had completely missed the point of my post.

FFS - you try to bring a little knowledge to the community which may help some members (i.e. see Quesadilla's measured and mature response) and all some do is throw it back  :dash:

Offline comaminion

Small claims, civil, criminal, Hague

Just edit as you see fit
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An 'A' for attempted humour, but a complete failure, so an 'F' for attainment. As soon as I saw "Small claims court" I stopped reading as I knew you didn't know the difference between a civil and criminal matter and had completely missed the point of my post.

FFS - you try to bring a little knowledge to the community which may help some members (i.e. see Quesadilla's measured and mature response) and all some do is throw it back  :dash:

wow, someone missed the humour in comaminions post.

Offline Ben4454

What I meant was I always assumed it was unlawful to create a sexual contract. Which is why agencies always use the time and companionship disclosure. What you're doing will be classed as a contract.
« Last Edit: July 31, 2015, 04:38:34 PM by Ben4454 »
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What I meant was I always assumed it was unlawful to create a sexual contract. Which is why agencies always use the time and companionship disclosure.
Agencies do this to avoid controlling prostitution and pimping charges.

Offline Ben4454

Okay so for those who have some law knowledge what would be the outcome of doing this? Would it be worth it?
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Okay so for those who have some law knowledge what would be the outcome of doing this? Would it be worth it?
Awareness, knowledge is power and all that.

Offline Ben4454

I have thought about this and this would not work. Unless you have a audio/video recording of her not giving you the service.

All Lying Romanian has to do is say she gave you the service. Your word against hers - case over.

If she says she doesn't do it via text then she is not misrepresentating herself.
« Last Edit: July 31, 2015, 04:58:49 PM by Ben4454 »
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All Lying Romanian has to do is say she gave you the service. Your word against hers - case over.
Or Pimp refunds you because does not want police around and believes you will bring them to ruin the rest of his business day.

I've just messaged a WG who says she is studying law. If I get to see her I'll ask about this.

And where does "At discretion" stand in all this?

Offline Ben4454


I understand it is a tactic. My personal standpoint is prevention is the cure. I.e not TOFTT with Romanians.
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Offline smiths

Paying for sex acts are against the law and this would not be enforceable. If i read right you wish to threaten said working girl for refund its not going to work.

This is incorrect, paying for sex here is perfectly legal unless its proved a WG was underage, being coerced or the punter a kerbcrawler.

Offline smiths

Just a bit of useful punter knowledge on a subject that comes up time and time again.

If a WG, for example, promises anal, takes your money and then refuses to provide anal, she has committed a criminal offence. The offence is fraud by misrepresentation (also known colloquially as 'clipping') under section 2 of the Fraud Act 2006 (see below):

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/35/section/2

It doesn't matter that contracts for sexual services are unenforceable (that is a civil law matter) as that is distinct from the criminal offence of fraud by misrepresentation.

I appreciate that in reality most punters wouldn't demand their money back with a threat to go to the police, but it is worth knowing about the criminal law position on this so you can bring it up in the subsequent negotiations about the return of your money if necessary.

As a matter of evidence, where possible get the WG to confirm services (a yes or no in answer to your text) by text where possible. I'm aware that many won't do this, but some do.

 :hi:

A punter would have to prove this happened and if a WG said it didn't it would be her word against the punters, in that circumstance IF it got to court it would be put before a jury and they would decide who they believed. Obviously if a punter had audio, text or email evidence it might help, but the WG could just say she DID offer the service and the punter is lying, then its back to what the jury would believe.

I doubt such a case would get to court if its just about a WG not offering a service or services to a punter but I may be wrong of course.
« Last Edit: July 31, 2015, 05:21:51 PM by smiths »

Offline Ben4454

So technically a working girl could open up her own Amsterdam style window in the UK. As long as she is in her house and not in the street.
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Offline comaminion

So technically a working girl could open up her own Amsterdam style window in the UK. As long as she is in her house and not in the street.


No I believe it's illegal to solicit I think
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