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Online OakTree

I must say having been on quite a few forums for different interests to punting, this one is the first I've seen where there is such a large contempt, dislike and vitriol to the subject matter. It seems there is number of posters who almost despise the fact they have to punt and pay these individuals for sex.

As for trusting a prostitute? I trust them as more or less the same as anyone else that I would meet for such a fleeting time, very little. They being a prostitute is neither here nor there in that approach.

dezzatheblue2

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You're like a box of cliches.

Who are these "they" who say "you can't judge a book by the cover"? Or could it just be a tired saying, that has passed down through the years, that some people agree with and some people don't? It doesn't bolster your argument.

Do "many hands make light work" or are "too many cooks spoiling the broth"?

I believe you can "judge books by covers". I am willing to change my opinion as I gather more information about a book/person, but in my experience that initial judgement usually holds true.

To take this cliche further, when are you able to judge the book? After reading the blurb? The first chapter? The whole thing and read critic's reviews? And then, how do you apply that to a person? How do you "read the whole person"?

With regards trusting prostitutes, I will make two points:

1) as a collective they have shown time and again that they are not to be trusted. From relatively minor misdemeanours (bait and switch, incorrect age, incorrect dress size) through to blackmail, outing, thievery, and even physical violence. For reference see: External Link/Members Only

2) you don't need to fucking trust a prossie  :dash:

So, never trust a prostitute  :hi:


Lol, thank you,

But seriously people from all walks of life lie about descriptions of goods they sell, in prostitution it tends to be those who have pimps,

You still can't say they all can't be trusted , it's like meeting anyone you need to build up some trust, if they are all lying low life's why do you get involved with them?
After all they can't be trusted,
They probably feel the same about a lot of punters especially after reading some of this forum, another little cliche for you...trust is a two way street,....... :)

Offline Daffodil


Lol, thank you,

But seriously people from all walks of life lie about descriptions of goods they sell, in prostitution it tends to be those who have pimps,

You still can't say they all can't be trusted , it's like meeting anyone you need to build up some trust, if they are all lying low life's why do you get involved with them?
After all they can't be trusted,
They probably feel the same about a lot of punters especially after reading some of this forum, another little cliche for you...trust is a two way street,....... :)

Can you quote me saying they all can't be trusted? I say don't trust prostitutes. A subtle difference, perhaps, but an important one. Think about it.

If I was to say "don't trust second hand car salesmen" would you take such issue? And that's also not the same thing as "there are no trustworthy second hand car salesmen".

Regardless, I find it tiresome arguing about a generalisation and whether or not it applies to every single member of a given group. It's straw man, of course I don't think that every single prostitute can't be trusted, but I also hope that people can be adult enough not to require a caveat to that extent every time.

I'll state my position again:

1) Prostitutes, as a group, have a lot of history of being untrustworthy.

2) You have no reason to have to trust a prostitute, so....

Never trust a prostitute*

*for the knicker twisters, I acknowledge that there may be a  prostitute somewhere who is 100% trustworthy  :thumbsup: there may also be trustworthy used car salesmen.

spkmstr48

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This is all obviously hilarious but it also depends what you mean by trust, doesn't it?

 :drinks: :diablo: :lol:

Offline king tarzan

i would never trust a hooker, a gambler a drug addict a liar a thief a pimp

Give them each a grand and tell them to bank it for you?
Do you really think they would?
Banned reason: Misogynist who gets free bookings from agencies for pos reviews.
Banned by: daviemac

Quesadilla

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In my experience most people will meet you on your own terms. If you walk up to someone and lie to their face don't expect them to be honest in return. If you treat someone with contempt don't expect them to respect you.  Trust has to be earned it's not just given. 

KenniLingus

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This is all obviously hilarious but it also depends what you mean by trust, doesn't it?

 :drinks: :diablo: :lol:

Indeed - the trust during a punt is crucial. Especially if there is devious stuff going on! ;)

dezzatheblue2

  • Guest
Can you quote me saying they all can't be trusted? I say don't trust prostitutes. A subtle difference, perhaps, but an important one. Think about it.

If I was to say "don't trust second hand car salesmen" would you take such issue? And that's also not the same thing as "there are no trustworthy second hand car salesmen".

Regardless, I find it tiresome arguing about a generalisation and whether or not it applies to every single member of a given group. It's straw man, of course I don't think that every single prostitute can't be trusted, but I also hope that people can be adult enough not to require a caveat to that extent every time.

I'll state my position again:

1) Prostitutes, as a group, have a lot of history of being untrustworthy.

2) You have no reason to have to trust a prostitute, so....

Never trust a prostitute*

*for the knicker twisters, I acknowledge that there may be a  prostitute somewhere who is 100% trustworthy  :thumbsup: there may also be trustworthy used car salesmen.

The thread is titled NEVER trust ...

Anyway bored now, we all have our opinions and therefor could argue our points for ever :hi:

Offline Mansell

i would never trust a hooker, a gambler a drug addict a liar a thief a pimp

Give them each a grand and tell them to bank it for you?
Do you really think they would?

Well I know one WG who I would trust to bank it no problem, but because I see her regularly and their is a mutual trust between us. It's just like I also know some friends or friends who I definately wouldn't trust to bank it. As has already been said Trust has to be earned on both sides. I have before left without paying her by mistake as we got rather steamy, but was straight back as soon as I realised.  ;)

charming_red

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I must say having been on quite a few forums for different interests to punting, this one is the first I've seen where there is such a large contempt, dislike and vitriol to the subject matter. It seems there is number of posters who almost despise the fact they have to punt and pay these individuals for sex.

As for trusting a prostitute? I trust them as more or less the same as anyone else that I would meet for such a fleeting time, very little. They being a prostitute is neither here nor there in that approach.

+1 Well said.

There definately seems to be more hate not just for prossies, but against women in general on this site by a core group of posters. Its a shame because it gives a bad name to punters as mysoginists and low lifes, when in fact a lot of people here are good everday lads just enjoying sex with hot escorts.

You can trust a prossie up to a limit just like any other person.

Offline pianodave

I don't hate women or prossies, I quite like prossies in fact. But I don't trust them one bit. That's part of what I like about them :)

One I saw recently was telling me all about how she loved her fiance and would kill him if he cheated. I asked if he knew she was a WG and she said no, but she didn't consider being a prossie to be cheating so it was ok :D I suspect he would disagree.

There's a sort of honestness about how dishonest they are. You know where you stand with a prostitute.

Offline Daffodil

+1 Well said.

There definately seems to be more hate not just for prossies, but against women in general on this site by a core group of posters. Its a shame because it gives a bad name to punters as mysoginists and low lifes, when in fact a lot of people here are good everday lads just enjoying sex with hot escorts.

You can trust a prossie up to a limit just like any other person.

Yawn.

Criticism/generalisation regarding prostitutes = hate of prostitutes = hate women  :rolleyes:

Can you quote any misogynistic comments?

Bankers are predominantly male, so does criticism/generalisation regarding bankers = hate of bankers = misandry?

Or if I say footballers are overpaid prima-donnas does that mean I hate footballers and, in turn, hate men?

But look, if you, fraserlad, LL, and whoever want to wring your hands and twist your knickers then enjoy  :drinks:

Jamesmadden

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Have some people lost their mind? You can never trust a hooker.

If you do trust one, good luck to you as you're in a ticking time bomb.

Online OakTree

Yawn.

Criticism/generalisation regarding prostitutes = hate of prostitutes = hate women  :rolleyes:

Can you quote any misogynistic comments?

Bankers are predominantly male, so does criticism/generalisation regarding bankers = hate of bankers = misandry?

Or if I say footballers are overpaid prima-donnas does that mean I hate footballers and, in turn, hate men?

But look, if you, fraserlad, LL, and whoever want to wring your hands and twist your knickers then enjoy  :drinks:


Let me assure you I'm not wringing hands or twisting knickers about anything on a forum.

I'm making a general observation, that is what I see and that is what I believe. Does it bother me ?...No!

Offline Daffodil


Let me assure you I'm not wringing hands or twisting knickers about anything on a forum.

I'm making a general observation, that is what I see and that is what I believe. Does it bother me ?...No!

Your "general observation" is claiming a significant number of punters here hate prostitutes and you seem to be attacking the reputation of the forum as a whole. I think you probably need to support such "general observations".

I appreciate you probably don't have the time though, you likely have many Twitter storms and social media wars to fight  :thumbsup:

Offline Silver Birch

I trust the working girls I see with the biggest secret of my entire life, a secret only they and I know.

So yes I do place my trust in prostitutes, but I limit personal details to a minimum because it is an unnecessary risk with very high stakes. It is not because they are prostitutes, it is because I do not know them.

Offline tantric talents

Cheque ???
Who the hell still uses cheques?
Hasn't he heard of Faster Transfers for quick cummers  :lol: :lol:

Offline king tarzan

Have some people lost their mind? You can never trust a hooker.

I agree with my heart soul and my precious banana beast!!
Banned reason: Misogynist who gets free bookings from agencies for pos reviews.
Banned by: daviemac

Online OakTree

Your "general observation" is claiming a significant number of punters here hate prostitutes and you seem to be attacking the reputation of the forum as a whole. I think you probably need to support such "general observations".

I appreciate you probably don't have the time though, you likely have many Twitter storms and social media wars to fight  :thumbsup:

Hate? Did I say that?....No I didn't.

As for what you think, that's not my concern, and my time, worry not I spend it it just fine thanks.

 :hi:

Offline charger70

My,my, I never really expected to read such feelings, and views on a punting Forum! It's all quite enlightening! I can't see us reaching any concensus here, but a lot of useful comment about how to deal with / treat other human beings. My view really settles on, who are we, the WG's customers to judge, pot and kettle comes to mind!

spkmstr48

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My,my, I never really expected to read such feelings, and views on a punting Forum! It's all quite enlightening! I can't see us reaching any concensus here, but a lot of useful comment about how to deal with / treat other human beings. My view really settles on, who are we, the WG's customers to judge, pot and kettle comes to mind!

Actually I disagree, I thing we can achieve concensus if we deal more with specifics and less with abstract concepts.

In my preferred punts (D/s) a level of trust is essential as you both need to trust each other to behave in a safe, sane and consentual manner.

But that's not the same thing as giving the girl personal details about your real identity which is totally unnecessary and usually an unacceptable risk (yes I know some punters don't care about that and believe they have nothing to lose).

Then there is the occasional regular that you grow to trust as a person through your own experience but these are rare, really rare.

So, treat the girl with respect?  Yes

Tell her your life story?  No (rare exceptions)

 :drinks: :diablo: :lol:

Jamesmadden

  • Guest
Actually I disagree, I thing we can achieve concensus if we deal more with specifics and less with abstract concepts.

In my preferred punts (D/s) a level of trust is essential as you both need to trust each other to behave in a safe, sane and consentual manner.

But that's not the same thing as giving the girl personal details about your real identity which is totally unnecessary and usually an unacceptable risk (yes I know some punters don't care about that and believe they have nothing to lose).

Then there is the occasional regular that you grow to trust as a person through your own experience but these are rare, really rare.

So, treat the girl with respect?  Yes

Tell her your life story?  No (rare exceptions)

 :drinks: :diablo: :lol:

Sensible post. I agree.

I'm just uneasy about trusting a wg to the point of sharing vital info like your job etc.

I guess the conclusion from this thread is that a certain degree of trust and respect has to be given and to make sure you don't cross that line.

Offline Mansell

Actually I disagree, I thing we can achieve concensus if we deal more with specifics and less with abstract concepts.

In my preferred punts (D/s) a level of trust is essential as you both need to trust each other to behave in a safe, sane and consentual manner.

But that's not the same thing as giving the girl personal details about your real identity which is totally unnecessary and usually an unacceptable risk (yes I know some punters don't care about that and believe they have nothing to lose).

Then there is the occasional regular that you grow to trust as a person through your own experience but these are rare, really rare.

So, treat the girl with respect?  Yes

Tell her your life story?  No (rare exceptions)

 :drinks: :diablo: :lol:

Sums it up well.

This cuts both ways though, why should they trust us ! If you treat them with the attitude that some of the guys have expressed on this thread then don;t be surprised if you get that attitude back.

spkmstr48

  • Guest
Sums it up well.

This cuts both ways though, why should they trust us ! If you treat them with the attitude that some of the guys have expressed on this thread then don;t be surprised if you get that attitude back.

And then they moan when the popular girls won't give them an appointment  :D

 :drinks: :diablo: :lol:

Offline TheOracle

And what sort of mysogynistic bullshit are you spouting anyway - never trust a prostitute. As if them being a prostitute makes them much more prone, by default, to want to humiliate somebody for a quick buck.

Applause.

johnnyboy61

  • Guest
When I walk through the door they are just prostitute and not a person, and on the first meet I will take the minimum with me in terms of cash, no wallet, just my punting phone and be careful of my possessions when I use the shower.

Those that give a good honest service earn my trust and if they appear honest with me I am honest with them in return and they become real people. I tell most of them what I do for a living, although I would never give specifics, and they would never expect me too. They know a fair bit about my family circumstances and I have shown and seen pictures of family on mobiles. I have been told things that show that they trust me.

Let's face it most of them offer a service for a fixed fee and deliver on their promises. We can choose whether or not to buy their services at the price that they charge. OK, they might be pretending to like us, but that is what we are paying for. How unlike those theiving bastards who work in The City, who stole my money from their companies accounts to gamble with to earn themselves obscene bonuses and then had to be bailed out with my taxes when it all went tits up, resulting in my real wages going down since 2008.

Yes they are all prostitutes by profession, but they are all people too who have come to do what they do by a variety of routes and for different reasons. Like all people, some we can trust and some we can't.  Yes what they do can pay well, although I know of at least one, who gives a good honest service with good reviews on here, who sometimes has help to get through to the end of the month (not, I must stress, from the punters that she sees, I could never envisage her asking her clients to lend her money). But would you be able to pretend to like and then make the most intimate physical contact with anyone of any age and size of the opposite sex who walks through the door with the correct fee I'm their hand?
« Last Edit: August 02, 2015, 01:32:29 am by johnnyboy61 »

willmo1

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They live in world full of cheating and lying and it rubs off on anyone over time. Get  a new kid and you might be ok but after a couple of years any girl takes what she can when she can. Its a nasty business all round.

spkmstr48

  • Guest
They live in world full of cheating and lying and it rubs off on anyone over time. Get  a new kid and you might be ok but after a couple of years any girl takes what she can when she can. Its a nasty business all round.

 :dash: :dash: :dash:

MrBridger

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Getting Impatient for Lord Sewell's reviews so we can find out !

The great thing about this site is that we will never know whether or not Sewel has a profile on here. Personally my money's on west8 or James999.  :lol:


vw

  • Guest
They live in world full of cheating and lying and it rubs off on anyone over time. Get  a new kid and you might be ok but after a couple of years any girl takes what she can when she can. Its a nasty business all round.
So nasty, I enjoyed reading about this nasty world slapping you in the face in your reviews.

Most of the cheating and lying is done by our side of the fence adultery and risking family destruction.

2 sides to every coin, glass houses.

spkmstr48

  • Guest
So nasty, I enjoyed reading about this nasty world slapping you in the face in your reviews.

Most of the cheating and lying is done by our side of the fence adultery and risking family destruction.

2 sides to every coin, glass houses.

Thanks VW for putting it into words, I couldn't be bothered.

vw

  • Guest
Thanks VW for putting it into words, I couldn't be bothered.
No problem, I love being poetic !

johnnyboy61

  • Guest
They live in world full of cheating and lying and it rubs off on anyone over time.
You forget, whilst we are punting we inhabit the same world, so what makes us any better in your eyes. If they are all liers and cheaters then the same applies to us, but whilst it might apply to some of the WGs out there, in my experience, if you choose carefully, you will hopefully encounter very few. I would guess that 99% of us punters are liers and cheaters; even most of those not in a relationship will probably deny that they punt when asked directly (on a visit to the GUM Clinic a nurse told me that I was the first man who had ever stated openly that he was there because he visited prostitutes), but does that mean that we carry this over to all aspects of our lives? In my case I hope not, and scratch the surface of many a WG and what you find underneath is a genuine person. Of course there are exceptions, as in all walks of life.

As you would expect much of what they say to us during a punt is untrue and is what they feel we wit to hear, especially about how they feel towards us, but then they are acting as much as an actor like Daniel Craig does when playing James Bond. We don't come out of the cinema saying we feel cheated because he was lying and he's not really James Bond!

Offline Sir Lance-a-lot

I expect that there are some who can be trusted completely, some who can't be trusted at all, and some who can be trusted in varying degrees, like everyone else.

Are they any less trustworthy on average tban the general population?  I don't know.  But at least some of them have a peculiar tendency to randomly rip off a client despite having a good reputation previously, most of those on our blacklist are genuine WG's who "went bad" rather than those who chose to be scammers from the outset.

And you never know whether a trusted regular might suddenly turn on you, so just be wary and take routine precautions.

willmo1

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So nasty, I enjoyed reading about this nasty world slapping you in the face in your reviews.

Most of the cheating and lying is done by our side of the fence adultery and risking family destruction.

2 sides to every coin, glass houses.

Oh dear.... someone doesnt understand that 'living in a world of cheating and lying' is what punters do. The point is that it rubs off on everyone and becomes the norm.

Unfluff yourself man and get a grip or at least try to understand the point being made better. :thumbsdown:

Offline Silver Birch

on a visit to the GUM Clinic a nurse told me that I was the first man who had ever stated openly that he was there because he visited prostitutes

Really? It must have been her first day. I have never had a problem when asked if I visit "sex workers" or had "paid sex".  :unknown:

vw

  • Guest
Oh dear.... someone doesnt understand that 'living in a world of cheating and lying' is what punters do. The point is that it rubs off on everyone and becomes the norm.

Unfluff yourself man and get a grip or at least try to understand the point being made better. :thumbsdown:
Don't assume everyone is a cheat I have been in this world for 20 years and never cheated FW, you made no point, have never read you make a point.  I have no comprehension problems and the only fluff you will find here is if you rim my rsole.


forgotten what bareback feels like now. hope to fuck i get to try it again one day!
« Last Edit: August 03, 2015, 03:03:07 pm by vw »

Offline Wounded Punter

Trust like respect has to be earned. Its a 2 way street
My first rule is an Indie can certainly be trusted more than a WG in a house of girls.
I have been to quite a few Indie's where they have given their real name. Indeed one actually showed me her passport when I did not believe her age
That said I too am cautious having a punting phone and private email account not accessible to others.
One final thought about secrecy is that if you want to keep something secret you don't share with anyone. Even your closest confidant can pass your secret to someone else with those famous words "....what I am about to tell you cannot go any further....." etc

willmo1

  • Guest
Grow up sunshine and stop taking yourself so seriously. Its a forum not a fucking classroom and I wont take lectures from you or anyone else.

Got it? Good.

vw

  • Guest
Grow up sunshine and stop taking yourself so seriously. Its a forum not a fucking classroom and I wont take lectures from you or anyone else.

Got it? Good.
But happy to give them with your 6 fingered knowledge.  To right its not a classroom that would imply you have class.

Offline LoneWolf2020

we all trust them to a certain extent. Your cock between her teeth, now thats trust!

RalphMouse

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Most women would starve before selling themselves. Prostitutes lack that dignity we'd expect from a normal person. Once the dignity has been sold what's left?

Yes Prostitutes are human but they are not a representative sample of normal people.

And we're the ones who pay. We stay in control of ourselves and call the shots. Punters still have dignity.  :hi:

willmo1

  • Guest
But happy to give them with your 6 fingered knowledge.  To right its not a classroom that would imply you have class.

Like I said. Grow up.


vw

  • Guest
Like I said. Grow up.
Thank you but don't respond well to forum dominant but submissive at home types.  Will grow up in my own time thank you.

spkmstr48

  • Guest
Most women would starve before selling themselves. Prostitutes lack that dignity we'd expect from a normal person. Once the dignity has been sold what's left?

Yes Prostitutes are human but they are not a representative sample of normal people.

And we're the ones who pay. We stay in control of ourselves and call the shots. Punters still have dignity.  :hi:

Do you really believe that, in conversations with non escorts I find they nearly all have a price. Not always realistic but nonetheless

 :drinks: :diablo: :lol:

alan given

  • Guest
He only has himself to blame for that not his prostitutes. Someone in his position knows full well that being caught out would be the end of his career. He's acted recklessly in punting close to home, doing class A drugs with them, etc, etc.

And what sort of mysogynistic bullshit are you spouting anyway - never trust a prostitute. As if them being a prostitute makes them much more prone, by default, to want to humiliate somebody for a quick buck. Lots of greedy, selfish people would do exactly the same thing (pass on photographs of somebody famous to the press in return for a lot of money).

Never trust a prostitute? I put my trust in them every time I visit them. I trust that they'll put the condom on safely and take other measures to protect something much more important than my reputation or career - my health.


I trust some WGs more than some others who provided services.

spkmstr48

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Like I said. Grow up.

The version of reality you live in must be a sad and lonely place.

 :drinks: :diablo: :lol:

Offline sticko

Really? It must have been her first day. I have never had a problem when asked if I visit "sex workers" or had "paid sex".  :unknown:

The clinic I've been going to recently has a touchscreen sign-in process and one of the questions is 'have you paid for sex in the last 3 months'.  Why would I or anyone else lie?  It's not like the people working there are going to be shocked, and telling the truth means you get the checks you need.

vw

  • Guest
The clinic I've been going to recently has a touchscreen sign-in process and one of the questions is 'have you paid for sex in the last 3 months'.  Why would I or anyone else lie?  It's not like the people working there are going to be shocked, and telling the truth means you get the checks you need.
Some people get paranoid, maybe some of the more paranoid ask is there a camera behind there linked with Google image search that will publish on immoral fornicator dot com.