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Offline Quesadilla

Thats a bit of a cop out mate. How about we act like adults and do what we can to reduce that risk rather than just accepting it?  :unknown:

As I said this has all been done to death in other recent threads so it's not a cop out simply summarising. 

There is a risk with any paid sex.  You are immediately classed as being in a high risk group simply by fucking escorts.  Some sex acts are inherently more risky than others, e.g. unprotected anal sex is generally considered most risky, then unprotected vaginal sex, then OWO, then regular protected sex, then maybe RO.  Then a massage with a HE / HJ. Even DFK still has a risk of STI transmission.

If you engage in any of the above then you have to accept the risks associated with that activity. The risk is simply there.  You cannot reduce it other than not partaking at all.  You can get STI tested weekly, and only see escorts who (tell you they) are tested weekly, but most STI's have between a 4 week and 6 month incubation window in which they may not even show up in tests yet still be transmitted. 

Although we can say some of the above are more inherently risky than others there is no simple formula.  BB Anal looks like it's incredibly risky simply because the worst case scenario is HIV/AIDS which is life threatening - but still given how many HIV infected people there are in the populace in general, and escorts in particular, it is still statistically MUCH more likely you will catch gonorrhea from OWO. Simply because gonorrhea is much more widespread, often has no symptoms, and is much easier to transmit.  Of course gonorrhea is not life-threatening although a married punter getting caught punting by giving gonorrhea to his missus might disagree with that statement.  ;) 

Risk is relative.  You can do your homework - as I have done - but ultimately if you pay to punt you have to accept the risks associated.   :hi:

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Offline temudjin

As I said this has all been done to death in other recent threads so it's not a cop out simply summarising. 

There is a risk with any paid sex.  You are immediately classed as being in a high risk group simply by fucking escorts.  Some sex acts are inherently more risky than others, e.g. unprotected anal sex is generally considered most risky, then unprotected vaginal sex, then OWO, then regular protected sex, then maybe RO.  Then a massage with a HE / HJ. Even DFK still has a risk of STI transmission.

If you engage in any of the above then you have to accept the risks associated with that activity. The risk is simply there.  You cannot reduce it other than not partaking at all.  You can get STI tested weekly, and only see escorts who (tell you they) are tested weekly, but most STI's have between a 4 week and 6 month incubation window in which they may not even show up in tests yet still be transmitted. 

Although we can say some of the above are more inherently risky than others there is no simple formula.  BB Anal looks like it's incredibly risky simply because the worst case scenario is HIV/AIDS which is life threatening - but still given how many HIV infected people there are in the populace in general, and escorts in particular, it is still statistically MUCH more likely you will catch gonorrhea from OWO. Simply because gonorrhea is much more widespread, often has no symptoms, and is much easier to transmit.  Of course gonorrhea is not life-threatening although a married punter getting caught punting by giving gonorrhea to his missus might disagree with that statement.  ;) 

Risk is relative.  You can do your homework - as I have done - but ultimately if you pay to punt you have to accept the risks associated.   :hi:

Some valid points Q, especially on the incubation period i had never considered that.

Punting is risky we all know this. but surely we can both agree that a WG who gets tested every 12 weeks deciding she will start getting tested every 4 weeks is a good thing? I know it doesn't eliminate the risk but i would welcome any reduction in the odds, especially with my marriage and family on the line.  :unknown:

Offline Quesadilla

Some valid points Q, especially on the incubation period i had never considered that.

Punting is risky we all know this. but surely we can both agree that a WG who gets tested every 12 weeks deciding she will start getting tested every 4 weeks is a good thing? I know it doesn't eliminate the risk but i would welcome any reduction in the odds, especially with my marriage and family on the line.  :unknown:

A regular test regime would at least show that a WG was until recently all clear for gonorrhea or chlamydia - then you can at least reduce the time window in which she may have been infected.  But how to prove it / enforce it?  I can't see WG's volunteering to show test certificates to punters as a way forwards - even if punters en masse asked for them and a significant number refused to punt without them I suspect they (Sergei) would find it easy enough to fake a test certificate or txt.  So for me I really don't see that testing is an answer as there's no way it could be enforced. 

STI risk simply remains an occupational hazard of punting - so you either accept the risks or adjust your punting to lower risk options - e.g. switching from OWO to OW, or even massage with HE / HJ.

It's certainly one of the reasons I could never punt while involved with someone - bad enough to take those risks yourself but to risk your partners health?  Chlamydia and gonorrhea can be asymptomatic in women and in 10-20% of cases has long term health effects if not treated e.g. pelvic inflammatory disease, infertility, problems during pregnancy etc.
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Offline sesalovdarlo



Gonorrhea. From owo. I've stopped punting now because of this. I had typical symptoms 5 days after an owo session, I was so worried I did the same as you asked people on here there thoughts, I guess I just wanted to hear that catching std from owo was very low risk. Test result came backpossitive for gonorrhea (private testing next day result cost me £195), back to the clinic (30miles from me) jab in the ass and 2 large pills symptoms gone 4 days later. Had to dodge the gf for a while.

If you indulge in owo you are at more risk than owo with a "civvy" girl. What do you mean working girls are cleaner than girls you would pull on a Saturday night? Can you see or smell STDs on them?? Can you tell just by looking? Does the average girl "you pull on a Saturday night" not suck and swallow cum from different men 4-5 times a week or longer, no your right they don't but a lot of wg do.

This rubbish about working girls being "cleaner" than your average women is ridiculous. Even if they got tested every week what does that mean? That they can't  catch and transmit stds? Don't be ignorant to the fact owo does carry risk, sorry if it is coming across as a bit blunt but I just don't want people falling for the same mistake I did

Good luck


Offline jawill

Ok, maybe i can explain, a working girl, well, its their job, its their income.  If they are infected with something and word gets around, thats it, no money.  So firstly, its in their own interests to ensure they are clean.  Secondly, believe it or not, they dont want to be infected with something either, so they are also on the look out for strange symptoms etc.  Thirdly, quite a few working girls are clued up on STD's.  Fourthly, when they go to the clinic for their regular check up, the clinic staff will talk to them about the risks, symptoms etc.

A civvie is more likely to sleep around without condoms, after all, its just a few men right, probably more likely on a night out to be pissed and more likely to have unprotected sex.  They are also less likely to go to the clinic for regular check ups and less likely to spot symptoms (or lack of them) if something did crop up.

Offline temudjin

A regular test regime would at least show that a WG was until recently all clear for gonorrhea or chlamydia - then you can at least reduce the time window in which she may have been infected.  But how to prove it / enforce it?  I can't see WG's volunteering to show test certificates to punters as a way forwards - even if punters en masse asked for them and a significant number refused to punt without them I suspect they (Sergei) would find it easy enough to fake a test certificate or txt.  So for me I really don't see that testing is an answer as there's no way it could be enforced. 

STI risk simply remains an occupational hazard of punting - so you either accept the risks or adjust your punting to lower risk options - e.g. switching from OWO to OW, or even massage with HE / HJ.

It's certainly one of the reasons I could never punt while involved with someone - bad enough to take those risks yourself but to risk your partners health?  Chlamydia and gonorrhea can be asymptomatic in women and in 10-20% of cases has long term health effects if not treated e.g. pelvic inflammatory disease, infertility, problems during pregnancy etc.

I think you've misunderstood me mate. I was just talking in general. i wouldn't trust a certificate a WG had showed me, especially as shes probably showed it to 5 guys before me that day!

Offline comaminion

I think the two most common std's that are rife

Fluffyness

Increased belief in personal sexual ability (IBIPSA)

On a real note owo is a must for me , regular checks, and not overthinking is the key to happiness
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I think the two most common std's that are rife

Fluffyness

Increased belief in personal sexual ability (IBIPSA)

On a real note owo is a must for me , regular checks, and not overthinking is the key to happiness
What about WhiteKnightItis and ObsessivePuntingDisorder

Offline comaminion

What about WhiteKnightItis and ObsessivePuntingDisorder



Yep and antibiotics don't clear up those, some long impartial talks are needed
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Offline sticko

Ok, maybe i can explain, a working girl, well, its their job, its their income.  If they are infected with something and word gets around, thats it, no money.  So firstly, its in their own interests to ensure they are clean.  Secondly, believe it or not, they dont want to be infected with something either, so they are also on the look out for strange symptoms etc.  Thirdly, quite a few working girls are clued up on STD's.  Fourthly, when they go to the clinic for their regular check up, the clinic staff will talk to them about the risks, symptoms etc.

Quite right Jawill.  There have been a couple of occasions when - we assume - an active WG in London has tested positive and a large proportion of the London scene has ground to a halt, with both punters and WGs getting tested and waiting for the all clear.  This put a lot of WGs significantly out of pocket.  So by and large they are very careful.  It's not like WGs get sick pay after all.


Offline Quesadilla

I think you've misunderstood me mate. I was just talking in general. i wouldn't trust a certificate a WG had showed me, especially as shes probably showed it to 5 guys before me that day!

Clearly not understanding you then. I thought you were suggesting that a girl who is regularly tested is lower risk when clearly there is no way to know who is tested. 

So back to my original point - there are no ways to reduce STI risks other than by engaging in less risky activities like OW or massage with HE / HJ - do you agree?
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Offline Quesadilla

Quite right Jawill.  There have been a couple of occasions when - we assume - an active WG in London has tested positive and a large proportion of the London scene has ground to a halt, with both punters and WGs getting tested and waiting for the all clear.  This put a lot of WGs significantly out of pocket.  So by and large they are very careful.  It's not like WGs get sick pay after all.

Assumption is the mother of all fuck ups.

As a punter if I get a sniff of an STI that's me out of action until I'm all clear end of story. I know some of my regs are the same but they happen to be part timers who can afford to take a hit.

But my experience is that different escorts have wildly different attitudes to risk when it comes to STIs. I am aware of a number of incidents where a WG has been told she may have an STI but continued to work while waiting for the incubation period before being tested. In that time - usually two weeks - she could well have infected many clients per day.

Ultimately many escorts simply can't afford to take a break from working, STI or no.

Admittedly in the above cases they tested negative so no harm done and I can see the argument that downing tools for every STI warning cold mean a huge loss in income - but regardless not doing so puts the entire punting community at risk.

I simply don't think we can / should assume that even a large proportion of escorts are as cautious about STI's as you suggest - precisely because they don't get sick pay. 

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Clearly not understanding you then. I thought you were suggesting that a girl who is regularly tested is lower risk when clearly there is no way to know who is tested. 

So back to my original point - there are no ways to reduce STI risks other than by engaging in less risky activities like OW or massage with HE / HJ - do you agree?
Yes agree, be responsible for yourself.  Your still at risk of close contact diseases like the cold which if you are a family man can infest your whole family.

Offline sesalovdarlo

Ok, maybe i can explain, a working girl, well, its their job, its their income.  If they are infected with something and word gets around, thats it, no money.  So firstly, its in their own interests to ensure they are clean.  Secondly, believe it or not, they dont want to be infected with something either, so they are also on the look out for strange symptoms etc.  Thirdly, quite a few working girls are clued up on STD's.  Fourthly, when they go to the clinic for their regular check up, the clinic staff will talk to them about the risks, symptoms etc.

A civvie is more likely to sleep around without condoms, after all, its just a few men right, probably more likely on a night out to be pissed and more likely to have unprotected sex.  They are also less likely to go to the clinic for regular check ups and less likely to spot symptoms (or lack of them) if something did crop up.

Sorry but this is utter bollocks. Regardless of if an escort has a bacterial std of the vagina or cervix is irelanvent here. If she was or not, most people arent stupid enough to indulge in bareback vaginal sex. The risk is from OWO and the simple fact is working girls are at much higher risk of transmitting a std via Owo than a non working girls. Even if a "civvy" girl had 2 or 3 different partners in a night this doesn't compare to a working girl potentially having  2 cim sessions in the same hour.

The GUM clinic told me once that wg are high risk not for catching Std's of the throat but from having bacteria (mainly gonorrhea) "COLONISE" in the mouth / through during different clients and thus potentially passing it from client A to client B. The Dr told me this is most common way for it to be transmitted via oral sex when  "paying sex".

Do you also think that a all working girls who caught stds would stop working? You need to do a search on this forum, I have read at least 2 posts where a punter has informed wgs that they potentially may be infected with an std and they ignored them.

« Last Edit: July 21, 2015, 11:33:24 AM by sesalovdarlo »

Offline temudjin

Clearly not understanding you then. I thought you were suggesting that a girl who is regularly tested is lower risk when clearly there is no way to know who is tested. 

A girl who is regularly tested IS lower risk....still risky....just lower risk, that's what i was getting at.

But like you say, there is no way of knowing.

Offline Quesadilla

A girl who is regularly tested IS lower risk....still risky....just lower risk, that's what i was getting at.

But like you say, there is no way of knowing.
Two issues - 1) there is no way to quantify how much less risk there is in punting a girl who is regularly tested vs one that is not, or a wg tested every 4 weeks vs one tested every 12 weeks. It only takes one infected cock so to some extent you can argue it's not about how often she's tested but about the likelihood of her sucking an infected cock in the last few weeks.

2) The fact that we can never really know her test regimen means that from a punting perspective, it is completely irrelevant anyhow

So as I said you have no choice but to assume the worst and accept the potential risk.

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Its personal risk and how it will affect you.  The same infection will have different impact on different punters lives .  Quesadilla ask yourself what are you risking if it happens this then provides a base point for you judge this for yourself. If the risk is to great then you know what to do its all subjective.

Offline Quesadilla

Its personal risk and how it will affect you.  The same infection will have different impact on different punters lives .  Quesadilla ask yourself what are you risking if it happens this then provides a base point for you judge this for yourself. If the risk is to great then you know what to do its all subjective.

Exactly the point I've been making! :dash:

I'm not punting right now as I have a partner - I have never and would never take a risk of infecting a partner so it's purely academic for me at the minute. 

When I have been punting I was single so the only STI risk that bothered me was HIV - a minor STI is not a concern.  So obviously when punting I avoid bb but I did engage in OWO.

But while punting I caught two STIs in 6 months - one of the STIs from OWO but also one directly from protected sex simply by direct skin-to-skin contact.  Unlike gonorrhea / chlamydia etc this left visible marks so there would have been no way to hide it if I was in a relationship.

So my point was that all punters need to accept STIs as an occupational risk and not be complacent.  Even switching to OW is no guarantee. If you have a partner just be aware that at some point your punting could easily come back to haunt you.
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So my point was that all punters need to accept STIs as an occupational risk and not be complacent.  Even switching to OW is no guarantee. If you have a partner just be aware that at some point your punting could easily come back to haunt you.
Don't have a partner and don't think i would punt If I got one which is not my intention.

Offline jawill

Do you also think that a all working girls who caught stds would stop working? You need to do a search on this forum, I have read at least 2 posts where a punter has informed wgs that they potentially may be infected with an std and they ignored them.

Generally speaking, the majority will stop when they have symptoms.  After all, once word is out they have something, even if they are cured, they will never get customers again. 

Two main problems however are 1) window periods and 2) sometimes lack of symptoms. 

However, the key difference between a civvie and a WG is that the majority of WG will get tested regularly, and more likely to spot symptoms which are of concern compared to a civvie. 

I agree that OWO carries a very high risk, I know this well myself after catching Gonnoreah years ago, and have never done it without a condom since.

Offline Quesadilla

Generally speaking, the majority will stop when they have symptoms.  After all, once word is out they have something, even if they are cured, they will never get customers again. 

Two main problems however are 1) window periods and 2) sometimes lack of symptoms

However, the key difference between a civvie and a WG is that the majority of WG will get tested regularly, and more likely to spot symptoms which are of concern compared to a civvie. 

I agree that OWO carries a very high risk, I know this well myself after catching Gonnoreah years ago, and have never done it without a condom since.

The idea that the majority of WGs get tested regularly is often discussed here. My regs used to tell me they were tested at least once a month, and I am reasonably sure in most of those cases it was true as I saw some of their test results.  But I don't think it's wise to assume that the majority of WGs do get tested regularly.  Some are definitely conscientious but equally some are very lazy and disorganised.  I know a few who have been reluctant to go even when informed that they may be infected because their nearest clinic is "a pain to get to" and they would waste half a day - at a time when they have a bunch of bookings.  That was one of the reasons I took a break from punting and switched to just seeing trusted regs - I realised that for at least some WGs their own health and that of their clients is actually a very low priority.

Secondly according to the NHS 50% of infected women do not experience any obvious symptoms of gonorrhea - so an infected WG could easily infect dozens of punters.  In this instance it's only when a punter notices symptoms and takes it on himself to inform a WG that she will get then get tested.  When I got gonorrhea the girl in question had no idea and insisted it couldn't possibly be her - but got tested anyway - and was quite shocked to find she was positive. 

Bottom line is it's safer to assume the worst case - if you can't risk a bout of gonorrhea switch to OWO.
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Bottom line is it's safer to assume the worst case - if you can't risk a bout of gonorrhea switch to OWO.

Are you sure this is good advice, sounds a bit muddled to me ?

Forgive me if this is a silly question but does it cost anything getting tested at a,GUM clinic?

Offline jawill

Forgive me if this is a silly question but does it cost anything getting tested at a,GUM clinic?

Not at a NHS clinic no, its all free.  Downside is the waiting rooms and the wait for the results can be up to 2 weeks.

Private clinic varies in price but for a FULL std check up, you could be looking about £300-£400.  Plus side is either same day or next day results and no busy waiting room!

A good few years ago whilst on a stag do in Blackpool a couple of us went into a "massage parlour" I had OW and was aloud to play with her pussy although I distinctly remember her "saying put a finger inside me and I'll bite it off".  So needless to say a stayed on the outside but enjoyed rubbing her clit whilst she sucked me off.

We didn't fuck and at no point did  our genitals touch. I still however managed to contract chlamydia from her. I assume it was from touching my cock after playing with her pussy.


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