Phoenix Club

[JamesRockford]

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Went along today to the Phoenix Club, not far from Hyde Park in W2.

Cost: £160 for two hours.

Pros
I counted six girls, and about 10 guys - so the ratio was good in theory.
Excellent clean location with great facilities.  Drinks were available - most people took water. Food was available but who is going to eat cheese in between girls???[/color]
Discreet location - no other flats in the building - it's a house.
Hostess Vera was full of life and encouraged everyone.

Negatives
Of the six girls, two EEs (a Romanian girl and another EE girl) were very lame and passive - "I'm ticklish there.  You vant BJ? Sorry covered BJ only" .  So this brings the ratio down effectively to four girls to 10 guys.  I had to actually look for an excuse to move away from those two each time they were with me - I really didn't want them to waste my time. [/color]


So overall a neutral. 

Will I return? Maybe I might give it another spin later in the year.

[Mr Br1ghts1de]

Sorry to hear it wasn't a better experience for you.

Was the line up as scheduled ?

Beyond Vera, who I have seen a number of times and who is consistently excellent, I have only seen Peace and Andrea once from the others scheduled.

[vt]

Vera's a greedy girl and always up for it. Peace is quite cheeky and giggly.

Karina & Andrea are Romanians, fairly passive young girls, but enjoyable when I met them last year...Karina has a quirky sense of humour and Andrea has a natural soft body, she gives a lot when she knows you appreciate her...some of the younger shyer girls do respond to warmth.

Not met Maya or Mel yet, they are fairly new.

I usually judge a party on my best interactions there rather than the occasional ones that didn't work out so well...on that basis, I've rarely come away from that place disappointed.

[claretandblue]

I enjoyed Vera at lmp and punted with her solo a few times,the rest of the set up seems to be going down

[emkay]

Really? I've only ever had amazing times at LMP/TPC. Someone described it as "like being in a porn film" and I've yet to read anything more accurate.

I agree that Vera is the real star, a little while ago I had a session with both Vera and another girl which was the stuff of fantasies.

I most like the last 15 minutes when enough men have hit the showers for the ratio to be inverted.

You do get the odd lull in the action and sometimes have to wait, but the full-on times more than make up for that. I wish the site would list who does what - one session where none of the girls would kiss - was less spectacular than most. 

I live in hope that attendance will grow so that there will be more girls a session.

[vt]

I enjoyed Vera at lmp and punted with her solo a few times,the rest of the set up seems to be going down

There are plenty of hot girls there other than Vera.

Attendances do seem a bit down since the re-brand...but that's all good for the ratio. Maybe the pre-registration requirements puts off first-time casual visitors. I notice the old LMP domain name now links to Phoenix, so maybe more guys who lost track will find it again.

[Mr Br1ghts1de]

There are plenty of hot girls there other than Vera.

Attendances do seem a bit down since the re-brand...but that's all good for the ratio. Maybe the pre-registration requirements puts off first-time casual visitors. I notice the old LMP domain name now links to Phoenix, so maybe more guys who lost track will find it again.

Very much agreed.

[Convince Me]

Will I return? Maybe I might give it another spin later in the year.
[/quote]

It's a very good business model, BUT inconsistent with who's advertised & who you get! I've reduced my attendance for this very reason.

You could always call to confirm & then withdraw but how many times will you be permitted to do this before your membership is declined?

[Mike Oxhard]

It's a very good business model, BUT inconsistent with who's advertised & who you get! I've reduced my attendance for this very reason.

You could always call to confirm & then withdraw but how many times will you be permitted to do this before your membership is declined?

I wish they could use their twitter account just to announce each day which girls are in confirmed attendance once they have arrived at the premises, like the HoD Empire does. It would only surely take a few seconds before each day starts.

[JamesRockford]

It's a very good business model, BUT inconsistent with who's advertised & who you get!

True - that did cross my mind.  Who knows which girls actually turn up on that day!

On another note - I get the impression from reading reviews here that cim is pretty rare at LMP/Phoenix events.

[Mr Br1ghts1de]

It's a very good business model, BUT inconsistent with who's advertised & who you get! I've reduced my attendance for this very reason.

You could always call to confirm & then withdraw but how many times will you be permitted to do this before your membership is declined?

I have also reduced my attendance for the same reason. There have been more changes since the re-brand to TPC and 6 girls, then there was when it was LMP with 7 girls.

You can always confirm on the day and I certainly don't think your membership should be affected because of changes on their part.

The suggestion that TPC post a confirmed schedule each day on Twitter is a fair one, but this may not work for newbies who need to register in advance.

TPC remains a cracking business model and punter experience when they get it right.

[Convince Me]

I have also reduced my attendance for the same reason. There have been more changes since the re-brand to TPC and 6 girls, then there was when it was LMP with 7 girls.

You can always confirm on the day and I certainly don't think your membership should be affected because of changes on their part.

The suggestion that TPC post a confirmed schedule each day on Twitter is a fair one, but this may not work for newbies who need to register in advance.

TPC remains a cracking business model and punter experience when they get it right.

How often is 'When'?

[Mr Br1ghts1de]

How often is 'When'?

Sorry, not sure I understand your question (probably me) ?

[Convince Me]

Sorry, not sure I understand your question (probably me) ?

When do they get it right? Without searching I'm confident most reviews report a switch of girls. If so, each review should be a negative as it falls into the B&S category!

[Mr Br1ghts1de]

When do they get it right? Without searching I'm confident most reviews report a switch of girls. If so, each review should be a negative as it falls into the B&S category!

I would not class the changing of one girl out of six as B&S and the reason for a negative review.

I have done 28 parties and never left disappointed. But there have been more changes to line-ups since the re-branding and I have cancelled where my favourite of the day has dropped out.

[Convince Me]

I would not class the changing of one girl out of six as B&S and the reason for a negative review.

I have done 28 parties and never left disappointed. But there have been more changes to line-ups since the re-branding and I have cancelled where my favourite of the day has dropped out.

It's still B&S! I've attended on the back of really wanting to see three girls only to find only one is in attendance. Yes I can choose to stay & gamble or walk.

I would pay sincer respect to anybody who has walked for this reason alone.

At least we agree this was less of an occurrence for LMP.

[niceguyjames]

I understand why you feel the Bait and Switch  process occurs. At TPC this is not the kind of outfit that does this, all the girls on the lineup are expected to be there and I can't remember the last time a girl that was on the lineup wasn't partying, although it has happened to me before so maybe i've been lucky for a while.

If you want to find out which girls are definitely partying that day, prior to booking phone up and ask which girls are partying. If you favorite one is *book* if not still book for a great value fantastic time with the chance to party with some new girls

[vt]

I've said it before...they need to lose half a dozen or so unappealing/jaded/older/lazy girls off the gallery, put up line-ups of 4 or 5 of the remaining hot/enthusiastic/younger/energetic performers and stick to them as rigidly as possible, if that's all it will sustain at the moment. Keep the new girls coming to keep things exciting and fresh and keep them on if they prove to be new stars and lose the most jaded performers. That will give guys confidence when booking and no doubt attendances will rise as a result and normal service will resume.

Confidence in the offering & customer service are essential in this business, no room for sentimentality/loyalty/friendships if tired/unappealing girls are harming the business, that will unsustainable long-term.

[Convince Me]

I've said it before...they need to lose half a dozen or so unappealing/jaded/older/lazy girls off the gallery, put up line-ups of 4 or 5 of the remaining hot/enthusiastic/younger/energetic performers and stick to them as rigidly as possible, if that's all it will sustain at the moment. Keep the new girls coming to keep things exciting and fresh and keep them on if they prove to be new stars and lose the most jaded performers. That will give guys confidence when booking and no doubt attendances will rise as a result and normal service will resume.

Confidence in the offering & customer service are essential in this business, no room for sentimentality/loyalty/friendships if tired/unappealing girls are harming the business, that will unsustainable long-term.

Agree 100% but where are they going to find a conveyer belt of young fillies?

[pocol237]

I was 'addicted' to LMP when they were at Lancaster gate, i went there 15+ times in a year, £140 for 2hrs of sexy fun and Saturday you could stay for an extra £100 for 4hrs of carnage. After you go regularly you build up a nice relationship with the girls,  you know which girls you can snog the face off and give you gfe (my favourites) which girls will only kiss you for briefly (2nd fav),  which girls are fun but don't allow kissing (2nd fav), which girls are there to be fucked only (meh) and girls that you have no chemistry what so ever with.
When the clock strikes 1pm the girls would take you by the hand and lead you downstairs into the dim lighted rooms (so much anticipation and so much excitement by heart would be racing). After a quick snog (depending on the lady or how busy it was) you get owo and then you fuck her either by yourself or she is normally sucking off another fella. After 10mins would always unload and if the lady likes you you would always get a 'come back and see me' 
I would go upstairs and have a quick drink then pop downstairs to see which girl was in which room (i was trying to cross off all the girls from the gallery one by one and also try to fuck the girl(s) i specifically came to see that day) alot of banter flying around you would feel really relaxed and after the 1st pop there was no need to rush.
2hrs would fly by and after 3 pops (4 on a good day) i would go home and think yeahhhhh great 2hrs spent can't wait to go back there again.  The thing i loved about Lancaster gate was that the downstairs was condensed with people,  a hive of activities going on and all 3 rooms felt very intimate.
After LMP went to Westminster i did enjoy myself but it wasn't as good as Lancaster gate (lost its intimacy) then they moved to Edgware Road were i went a couple of times but by then for me the whole sex party theme had lost it charm,  i remember with 20mins to go at a 1pm party i was sitting on aside of a bed watching what was going on around me thinking to myself i don't want to be here anymore so i got up and showered and left (this is the 1st time ever i left early and didn't stay to the very end) and havnt been back since.

[PLeisure]

After you go regularly you build up a nice relationship with the girls,  you know which girls you can snog the face off and give you gfe (my favourites) which girls will only kiss you for briefly (2nd fav),  which girls are fun but don't allow kissing (2nd fav), which girls are there to be fucked only (meh) and girls that you have no chemistry what so ever with.
When the clock strikes 1pm the girls would take you by the hand and lead you downstairs into the dim lighted rooms (so much anticipation and so much excitement by heart would be racing). After a quick snog (depending on the lady or how busy it was) you get owo and then you fuck her either by yourself or she is normally sucking off another fella. After 10mins would always unload and if the lady likes you you would always get a 'come back and see me' 
I would go upstairs and have a quick drink then pop downstairs to see which girl was in which room (i was trying to cross off all the girls from the gallery one by one and also try to fuck the girl(s) i specifically came to see that day) alot of banter flying around you would feel really relaxed and after the 1st pop there was no need to rush.
2hrs would fly by and after 3 pops (4 on a good day) i would go home and think yeahhhhh great 2hrs spent can't wait to go back there again.  The [...] downstairs was condensed with people,  a hive of activities going on and all 3 rooms felt very intimate.

This is a superb description of how sex clubs should be 
Pure indulgence - love it

[Daveangel]

I used to attend LMP a lot,it used to be really good and Em and Moss run a great operation but I'm hearing things (like this review) which make me wonder what's going on.
The scheduled people were the ones at the party,you rarely had a situation where someone didn't show.
Either way LMP/TPC goes on and they will go on for many years to come as even on their off days, there's no operation like them in London.

[Convince Me]

It would be great if they had some stiff competition. Oh how I miss Sacred Rose!

[Captain Caveman]

It would be great if they had some stiff competition. Oh how I miss Sacred Rose!

 

Good one!

[Steve2]

Basically parties in London have run their course. Too much risk for too little gain and the uncertainty of who will be the next person knocking on the door. Police, HMRC, immigration?

From the reviews on here, the quality has dropped considerably

I'm glad that I am no longer involved as the "magic" has certainly gone

[vt]

I wouldn't say the magic has gone, there's still a lot of fun to be had, most girls do seem more relaxed in a party setting where there are others about, they do let themselves go and have fun.

It was a serious knock that was sustained barely 6 months ago, so it's going to take a bit of time to get fully back to where it was. The management have a track record of making the right decisions, so I have every confidence in them. In the meantime, there are some low ratio parties to be had...my last one had 7 guys and 5 girls and I had a great time...just pick the right line-up and you're away! 

[1dt]

I've said it before...they need to lose half a dozen or so unappealing/jaded/older/lazy girls off the gallery, put up line-ups of 4 or 5 of the remaining hot/enthusiastic/younger/energetic performers and stick to them as rigidly as possible, if that's all it will sustain at the moment. Keep the new girls coming to keep things exciting and fresh and keep them on if they prove to be new stars and lose the most jaded performers. That will give guys confidence when booking and no doubt attendances will rise as a result and normal service will resume.

Confidence in the offering & customer service are essential in this business, no room for sentimentality/loyalty/friendships if tired/unappealing girls are harming the business, that will unsustainable long-term.

vt, with yours and others knowledge,  think it would be worth you posting a keep list and hit list, maybe management (they watch these threads ) will take note and act...or at the very least punters will have more confidence in your recommendations and choose the right line ups.....

[vt]

vt, with yours and others knowledge,  think it would be worth you posting a keep list and hit list, maybe management (they watch these threads ) will take note and act...or at the very least punters will have more confidence in your recommendations and choose the right line ups.....

I won't be doing that, I still want to attend and be welcomed. In any group of 30+ girls, you will get stronger and weaker performers, so it would be unfair to make comparisons publicly.

I'll be leaving any hiring & firing decisions to the management who have an excellent track record in making the right decisions about personnel. I'm an occasional visitor and I know what I like from my own personal perspective, but the management have a more complete overview of what's needed to maintain quality.

[Thepacifist]

I was 'addicted' to LMP when they were at Lancaster gate, i went there 15+ times in a year, £140 for 2hrs of sexy fun and Saturday you could stay for an extra £100 for 4hrs of carnage. After you go regularly you build up a nice relationship with the girls,  you know which girls you can snog the face off and give you gfe (my favourites) which girls will only kiss you for briefly (2nd fav),  which girls are fun but don't allow kissing (2nd fav), which girls are there to be fucked only (meh) and girls that you have no chemistry what so ever with.
When the clock strikes 1pm the girls would take you by the hand and lead you downstairs into the dim lighted rooms (so much anticipation and so much excitement by heart would be racing). After a quick snog (depending on the lady or how busy it was) you get owo and then you fuck her either by yourself or she is normally sucking off another fella. After 10mins would always unload and if the lady likes you you would always get a 'come back and see me' 
I would go upstairs and have a quick drink then pop downstairs to see which girl was in which room (i was trying to cross off all the girls from the gallery one by one and also try to fuck the girl(s) i specifically came to see that day) alot of banter flying around you would feel really relaxed and after the 1st pop there was no need to rush.
2hrs would fly by and after 3 pops (4 on a good day) i would go home and think yeahhhhh great 2hrs spent can't wait to go back there again.  The thing i loved about Lancaster gate was that the downstairs was condensed with people,  a hive of activities going on and all 3 rooms felt very intimate.
After LMP went to Westminster i did enjoy myself but it wasn't as good as Lancaster gate (lost its intimacy) then they moved to Edgware Road were i went a couple of times but by then for me the whole sex party theme had lost it charm,  i remember with 20mins to go at a 1pm party i was sitting on aside of a bed watching what was going on around me thinking to myself i don't want to be here anymore so i got up and showered and left (this is the 1st time ever i left early and didn't stay to the very end) and havnt been back since.

Good post LG was my first LMP location and I visited it 5 times i think. My first party I had a girl named Chelsea to my left another girl (maybe Lisa or Charlie) to my right and Jasmin sucking my cock. What an experience that was! It was great to be beckoned downstairs by a naked Jewels or Tiffany. Antonia, Jade, Sydney JJ, Chanelle. Those were the days.. I dove in at the deep end at a young age and enjoyed it. I haven't yet been to the latest location, I guess I prefer 121s but who knows, I continue to check the party rota.

Good review JR!

[An tUasal Liathroid Mor]

Yes...I broadly agree with the above sentiments...the period in Lancaster Gate was in general very good....but LMP appeared to lose its touch with the moves to Westminster  and then Edgeware Road.  It is surprising really since Moss/Em always seemed to take pride in the quality of service ...from years back.... ie Marylebone etc.

Hopefully the situation will turn itself around again....as good parties can be really excellent experiences.

[ClarkeOfTheCourse]

Can you take a willing girl with you or is it just for members and the hostesses?

[vt]

Can you take a willing girl with you or is it just for members and the hostesses?

It is ostensibly a swingers club now, but I've not seen any females partying other than those on the gallery. Maybe if she was under 40, attractive and willing to get it on with the male guests there while you enjoyed the other ladies, it might work, you need to email and ask.

[vt]

Can you take a willing girl with you or is it just for members and the hostesses?

If you wanted to go and take a couple of hostesses away to a bed and create your own private party with your partner only playing with you and the females, it certainly wouldn't work...you need to book a pair of AW prossies for 2 hrs for £400-600 for that! 

[vt]

Yes...I broadly agree with the above sentiments...the period in Lancaster Gate was in general very good....but LMP appeared to lose its touch with the moves to Westminster  and then Edgeware Road.  It is surprising really since Moss/Em always seemed to take pride in the quality of service ...from years back.... ie Marylebone etc.

Hopefully the situation will turn itself around again....as good parties can be really excellent experiences.

I've had excellent and good parties at all the venues you mention, including the latest one. I don't suscribe to this Golden Age at Lancaster Gate theory. Some of my hottest sessions were at Westminster & Edgware Rd...fucking twin sisters...CIMs...FFFFFFFM...2-girl BJs...G-spot orgasms...squirting...lots of fun!   

They took a big knock 6 months ago when they were forced to close the Edgware Rd venue, they lost a few good girls, not all, in fact the best are all still there. But it probably means that they have kept on a few loyal long-term girls that might have been let go in the past...but maybe there's a reason they stuck around and had nowhere else to go! 

Also attendances seem to be down, which means that a full 6 girl line-up can't always be justified, so often there is a girl or two missing from the published line-up...you just have to hope it's not the ones you really wanted to see. 

I would prefer it if they had a clear-out of the just a handful of least desirable girls from the gallery who detract from the parties because of their age, looks or jaded attitude and published smaller 5-hot-or-new-girl line-ups and stuck to them as rigidly as possible...but that's just my selfish perspective.

So, although it's more of a line-up lottery at the moment, the ratios are generally very low, almost 1:1, most of the girls are hot as fuck and as always there's some great fun to be had! 

[JamesRockford]

Not met Maya or Mel yet, they are fairly new.

Mel is Brazilian - fairly tall with a really lovely fit body - not skinny and not plump.  No cellulite, and very soft skin.  Gorgeous.  She's traveling for a couple of weeks, she told me.  I did doggie with her, and it was superior!

[vt]

Mel is Brazilian - fairly tall with a really lovely fit body - not skinny and not plump.  No cellulite, and very soft skin.  Gorgeous.  She's traveling for a couple of weeks, she told me.  I did doggie with her, and it was superior!

Sounds like a keeper!! 

[Convince Me]

I've had excellent and good parties at all the venues you mention, including the latest one. I don't suscribe to this Golden Age at Lancaster Gate theory. Some of my hottest sessions were at Westminster & Edgware Rd...fucking twin sisters...CIMs...FFFFFFFM...2-girl BJs...G-spot orgasms...squirting...lots of fun!   

They took a big knock 6 months ago when they were forced to close the Edgware Rd venue, they lost a few good girls, not all, in fact the best are all still there. But it probably means that they have kept on a few loyal long-term girls that might have been let go in the past...but maybe there's a reason they stuck around and had nowhere else to go! 

Also attendances seem to be down, which means that a full 6 girl line-up can't always be justified, so often there is a girl or two missing from the published line-up...you just have to hope it's not the ones you really wanted to see. 

I would prefer it if they had a clear-out of the just a handful of least desirable girls from the gallery who detract from the parties because of their age, looks or jaded attitude and published smaller 5-hot-or-new-girl line-ups and stuck to them as rigidly as possible...but that's just my selfish perspective.

So, although it's more of a line-up lottery at the moment, the ratios are generally very low, almost 1:1, most of the girls are hot as fuck and as always there's some great fun to be had! 

A line-up lottery it definitely is!

[KidCandyShop]

Having recently been to two parties within a week where one was lack luster and the other was excellent, I don't think you can condemn phoenix from just one party as the next could and probably will be a totally different experience, and bear in mind that some of the vibe is generated by us guys as well. 

[JamesRockford]

Having recently been to two parties within a week where one was lack luster and the other was excellent, I don't think you can condemn phoenix from just one party as the next could and probably will be a totally different experience, and bear in mind that some of the vibe is generated by us guys as well. 

Point taken and I agree

[Teessider]

Having recently been to two parties within a week where one was lack luster and the other was excellent, I don't think you can condemn phoenix from just one party as the next could and probably will be a totally different experience, and bear in mind that some of the vibe is generated by us guys as well. 

KCS - was it lack of numbers that made it lack luster or were the girls or guys just not getting into it?

What made the second party excellent?  For me, I don't want just a series of 1-2-1s so high numbers is a must.

[vt]

For me, I don't want just a series of 1-2-1s so high numbers is a must.

Once you've got a few under your belt, busy parties are fun...but for newbies a relaxed low ratio one might be a less daunting prospect...so now might be a good time to dip your toe in, if you haven't before. 

[KidCandyShop]

KCS - was it lack of numbers that made it lack luster or were the girls or guys just not getting into it?

What made the second party excellent?  For me, I don't want just a series of 1-2-1s so high numbers is a must.

Lack of numbers and a couple of the girls could have been more enthusiastic, so down to line up as well.  My views are in this thread here: https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=55106.0

As to the second party my review is here: https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=55705.0

 

[JamesRockford]

It is a risky business commercially - and bravo to them for providing the service.  On Friday evening for example, I called and they had just one client confirmed and two girls.  A lot of punters seem to turn up at short notice, so it must be hard to gauge demand.

I went along again yesterday and had a decent time - although only two of the six were true hotties in my eyes (Liza, Lauren) - but the atmosphere was decent and the girls worked hard.  The receptionist (blonde lady with short hair) needs to wake up and be a bit more welcoming and professional to guests when they come in.

I shouldn't have gone - I was a bit below par with a cold.  But I didn't want to cancel at short notice - I'm all heart!

[JamesRockford]

Some Phoenix WG profiles that may be helpful for punters:

Lisa:
English/Portuguese blonde, 5'3", size 10, a little dumpy, facially 6/10, moderately enthusiastic and a little moody.  On both occasions that I saw her she spent a lot of her time looking around at others and what they were doing.  Possibly because she is self-conscious?

Barbara:
Brazilian, Size 14, age 32-34, firm skin, friendly, facially 6/10, enthusiastic, quite horny.

Vera:
Well described by others: Russian/Kazakh girl, age 26-29, size 6, firm trim body, very confident and playful, vocal and enthusiastic.  Big hearted and doesn't seem to take anything seriously, never idle and always willing to make sure that the punters are having a good time.  I didn't particularly fancy her because she isn't my type - but she seems like a lovely person and full of energy.  I came in her mouth and she took it all like a great sport.

Renata:
Brazilian, size 10-12, age 26-30, brunette, soft skin, facially 5/10, nice pussy.

[An tUasal Liathroid Mor]

One possible way for Em/Moss to re-vamp their Parties would be to bring  back their ''MILF'' days.   For those of you unfamiliar with this...several years back LMP had its 'MILF MONDAYS'...where all the WGs at least 30 plus.   I loved these parties as you could absolutely sure of what you were getting..ie ladies who knew what they were doing and generally with a good attitude.

Lets start a petition to get 'MILF MONDAY' re-started at Phoenix/LMP!!!!!

[JamesRockford]

...Interesting idea!  Could also have:

Teenie Tuesdays
Wifey Wednesdays
Thunder Thigh Thursdays
Fag Hag Fridays
Saggy Saturdays

And Teenie Tuesdays better not have the same cast as MILF Mondays!!!!!

[thetinman007]

Agree about Lisa. Very moody and disinterested.

[smiths]

One possible way for Em/Moss to re-vamp their Parties would be to bring  back their ''MILF'' days.   For those of you unfamiliar with this...several years back LMP had its 'MILF MONDAYS'...where all the WGs at least 30 plus.   I loved these parties as you could absolutely sure of what you were getting..ie ladies who knew what they were doing and generally with a good attitude.

Lets start a petition to get 'MILF MONDAY' re-started at Phoenix/LMP!!!!!

I recall MILF Monday well, attended the first couple and a number of others until it ended, problem was it wasn't as busy as the other days which is why it ended I assume. Great WGs like Linzi, Carly and Carol worked at these, great fun.

[Mr Br1ghts1de]

Agree about Lisa. Very moody and disinterested.

She can look around a bit and resort to handjobs over other activities, but I have had a couple of hot sessions with her, 1 post her holiday when she was very horny.